Morning Joe   |  October 31, 2013

Internet's dark corners: Where crime thrives

Time's Nancy Gibbs joins Morning Joe to discuss the magazine's latest issue, which looks at the deep web, an area of the Internet not indexed by Google that is a haven for thieves, child pornographers, human traffickers and other unsavory endeavors.

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>>> with us now, nancy gibbs here to reveal the latest issue of "time." the cover is the secret web where drugs, porn and murder hide online, basically there is something called the silk road not through google or other websites that take you to sites for child porn , you can buy nuclear weapons.

>> this is the part of the internet we never see. google doesn't index it. we wouldn't know how to get there. although it's very easy to get there because this is a place where you can still be anonymous. we've talked about how there's no such thing about privacy. the secret web, the deep web is the place where you go about your business without anybody tracking you. all tlefhe levels of encryption was built by the u.s. military .

>> explain how this happens. this very disturbing.

>> the military built it for good reasons. it's useful for informants and intelligence gathering and covert communication and political dissidents and it's great for gun runners and assassins and you can download the software that gives you access to sites that you would otherwise not have access to and your identity go through multiple levels of encryption so law enforcement officials can't find you. you can buy drugs on the internet almost as easily as going to amazon and the payment is done through untraceable currencies. earlier this month the fbi arrested one of the masterminds of the deep web . he built silk road . it was doing a billion dollars worth of commerce in illegal goods. it is so interesting because even as we talk about how the web changes everything about how we buy and sell and live, there's a whole secret web that is a very vibrant marketplace for bad goods, bad services, this is where you hire --

>> american people are watching how or the country is conducting surveillance on every day people and every day activities, we're watching stories about surveillance on overseas leaders including allies. it's hard to reconcile with what you're saying. how does this happen without being able to trace it, catch people and stop people from, you know, endangering the public and children alike.

>> that's what's so fascinating. the people who built it can't break it. it was built, the software was designed by researchers at the u.s. naval research laboratory . they knew once you have these levels of coding, it's very hard to trace. so now the fbi is trying to have new tools which they can penetrate the layers of anonymity that this software allows that hides the identity of the criminals. it's a real challenge to law enforcement because a lot of the laws were written 20 years ago. and are in no way strong enough to be able to penetrate this technology.

>> really scary stuff.

>> it is.

>> thank you so much. new cover of the "time" magazine," the secret web." mika, what is coming up from where you guys are at candlestick park brp your at?

>> we caused some trouble. we'll be fine.

>> you know larry.

>> all right. up next, " boston globe " columnist is standing by. we'll get his take on what the world series win means for the city of boston. you're watching " morning joe " live from fenway park . to