Morning Joe   |  January 10, 2014

How to network when you've lost your job

In 2012, Dwain Schenck lost his job as a communications executive. Nearly 50, he had trouble finding a new job, so he wrote a book at the suggestion of Mika Brzezinski on rebounding from unemployment. He joins Morning Joe to discuss.

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>>> job loss blues and getting ready for the next act. thank you so much. the book is doing great right now. i have mika here because you guys have done this together in a sense. let me start with you though. you had them before and you talked about getting a new job. this is more about surviving. i saw it with my dad and i heard about it with mika where you are sitting on the edge of your bed when you are 40 or 45 and you are unemployed. surviving unemployment and getting back on your feet.

>> it's not as intense as surviving addiction or cancer or disease. you still have to survive it.

>> in many ways, it's a short window of addiction. it can be as devastating as a divorce or something. the devastation, you don't know until you have been through it. i never lot of a job or had a problem finding a job. my own businesses and i thought i will be able to handle this. within three months, i fell apart.

>> it affects everybody, doesn't it? it affects the entire family and kids and spouses.

>> for affects the marriage and the retired and the poor. it's like having a baby. you don't know what it's like until you have one. you wonder why people act so crazy about their babies. you know when you have one. when you talk to somebody -- i decided to write the intro. duane and colleen were those friends, the solid ones who had it all. keeping it and seeking it forever. the perfect house and the nice cars. a beautiful cross between julia louis dreyfus and andy dowell. it seemed to me they had that goal. they were set. all of a sudden he became a casualty of the great recession and a reversal of fortune . he went through this dehumanizing process. as it began to pull himself out and do these things to reverse his fortunes again, he was so vulnerable and open about it. he writes it down and brings himself back and others with him.

>> the reason i wrote the book is because it spoke to me and this economy. i was looking for answers and i couldn't find them. i am getting lots of feedback that you are me. there is information in this book that is not out there anywhere else. for example, 95% of people out of work have no clue how to network. why would they know? this is not something they taught in high school .

>> this is an isolating experience.

>> in this climate when you are looking at several months at least, it's not like you network for a couple of weeks. how do you settle into that mode? do you have tips like set up one meeting or call a day to get you through?

>> it's more intense than that. i learned from, for example, a man who he was an introvert. he called himself and he was left out. a really, really bright man. he said i became a career netwo networker, but i'm really a career introvert. the reality is he learned how to network. he had a 5-5-5 program. reach out to five people, touch base with five people on the phone and e-mails. send out five resumes. set up five meetings. within three weeks, you are not going to have time to follow-up with all these people. he had a job in 2 1/2 months.

>> the depression, you look like hell. i looked awful. i went to every job interview worse than the one before. it's trouble to stay in shape. he had something on top of it. it's impossible because you don't feel like doing anything. you have to force yourself to get into it. you have an e-mail?

>> we were talking about the long-term unemployed and as soon as we were finished i got an e-mail from rich kline. he said we were making a point that it doesn't affect the people out there that can't find work. he said thanks for focusing on the long-term unemployed. many of us had long successful careers for a quarter century before the bottom fell out. no one wanted to interview me. i was too old and overqualified. people don't let you get partial unemployment while starting a business.

>> you have to work with what you got. you know what you have? nothing. absolutely nothing. you are so raw and you are going to get through this. i'm telling you that you are. he created this community that he shares with others live every day.

>> reset your there tools there and original material that you find nowhere else. i read into myself. i am a consultant and i completed my book and i interviewed with joe. he is a master of reinvention. it's true. it was a great story. it was a great story. i love the way the book was.

>> i remember there so many times where i just looked over the edge of the cliff and said i have to jump. if i stay here, i'm going to die. i jumped, but i worked my tail off to make sure what seemed like a crazy move was --

>> it was risked. when you got punched in the face -- okay. we will talk about that.

>> we are in trouble now.

>> you can pick up the book.

>> you are good.

>> you can get the reset. how to beat the job loss blues and become a member of the reset community by visiting first day