msnbc   |  July 12, 2013

The jury deliberates in the Zimmerman trial

The state of Florida v. George Zimmerman is now the in hands of the jury. MSNBC's Craig Melvin talks to Benjamin Crump, attorney for the Martin family, about the trial and the wait for a verdict.

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>>> now, the jury has the case, and they have called it a night, i'm craig melvin, live from sanford, florida.

>> and i'm lisa bloom , and this is our special coverage of the george zimmerman trial.

>> this case is not about race. it is about right and wrong.

>> it is coming up on decision time.

>> as we get to the closing and final chapter .

>> let's talk about the final chapter of george zimmerman .

>> george zimmerman is not guilty, he pressed that pistol into trayvon martin .

>> he shot trayvon martin in self defense .

>> there was one live round in the chamber.

>> who was the aggressor?

>> are any of those abrasions life-threatening?

>> rachel jeantel.

>> we should plan on at least a couple of hours?

>> what?

>> tempers flare at the george zimmerman trial.

>> overruled, the court is entitled to acquire.

>> he can't really object to the judge's questions.

>> why does this defendant get out of the car if he thinks that trayvon martin is a threat to him?

>> a lack of evidence, if you have to prove something, you don't know it.

>> this case is not about race, it is about right and wrong. it is that simple.

>> state versus george zimmerma zimmerman .

>> the case of the state of florida versus george zimmerman is now in the hands of a jury.

>> yeah, jurors have ended deliberations for today. they will resume tomorrow, saturday, yes, on saturday at 9 a.m . eastern time , just before 2:30 this afternoon, judge deborah nelson handed them the case with these final words.

>> your verdict finding george zimmerman either guilty or not guilty must be unanimous. the verdict must be the verdict of each juror as well as the jury, as a whole. in closing, let me remind you that it is important that you follow the law spelled out in these instructions in deciding the verdict. there are no other laws that apply to this case. even if you do not like the laws that must be applied, you must use them. for two centuries we have lived by the constitution and the law. no juror has the right to violate rules we all share. at this time, if all of you will please take your notes with you and follow deputy jarvis back in the jury room.

>>> today, each side painted a picture of the encounter between george zimmerman and trayvon martin in the final moments of trayvon martin 's life.

>> that is not an unarmed teenager with nothing but skittles trying to get home. that was somebody who used the availability of dangerous items to the concrete, to cause great bodily injury . if you are going to assert self defense , the great bodily injury , the suggestion by the state that that is not a weapon, that that can't hurt somebody. that that can't cause great bodily injury is disgusting.

>> if he was up on his waist, his waist is covered by trayvon martin 's legs. he couldn't have gotten the gun. he couldn't have. they wanted a reason? it is a physical impossibility. he couldn't have grabbed it. the only way that the defendant gets to his gun, the only way, trayvon martin was getting off of him. or he had backed up so far on his leg that he couldn't hit it. couldn't touch him. the defendant didn't shoot trayvon martin because he had to. he shot him because he wanted to. that is the bottom line.

>> joining us now, benjamin crump, attorney for the trayvon martin family. the invitation is opened to george zimmerman 's family. we wanted to make sure they understood that. good to see you.

>> good to see you.

>> first of all, what did you tell the martin family to prepare for a verdict?

>> as we always told them, keep praying to god and have faith that they have done in this whole long journey for justice. you know, this has been a long journey for them for 16 months, very emotional, sometimes very lonely, but they have remained steadfast on getting justice for their son.

>> how did they feel that the prosecution performed?

>> they thought as most, that the prosecutor john guy was very effective in his summation. he brought this matter back to the whole entire matter of this case. and that is that when you really think about it, trayvon martin was shot in his heart. and it is very ironic, because he talked about people have to use their hearts on this case. it is so important when you think about all their son was doing, craig , was walking home from 7-eleven, minding his business. george zimmerman profiled, pursued him, and shot him in the heart. and the police were perfectly willing not to do anything about it.

>> if you were handling the case for the state, is there anything that you would have done differently?

>> well, everybody has their strategy. i thought they brought out a couple of good points and i probably would have elaborated more on them. like for instance, craig , the four minutes that attorney mark o'mara tried to use to show why couldn't trayvon martin make it home? well, think about it with common sense , some creepy, strange man is following him. he is trying to get away from him. do you take him to your house, or do you try to hide, like they say, to get away from him? and the bigger relevant question, why couldn't george zimmerman get to his car? he said in the reenactment, he was only about 50 feet away from his car. so what took him so long to get to his car at all, was that he was stalking and following trayvon martin .

>> what you just said to me in the last 30 seconds, the last 45 seconds, that was pretty clear. i never heard that argument made like that inside the courtroom.

>> we have -- all lawyers have different styles, craig . and so i thought the state brought it altogether at the end. and i thought another big issue they brought together, i probably would have went a little more forceful on it, was the fact that how was it trayvon martin was to see this gun that was tucked in his inside waist, in his back, with every witness. all the evidence said it was dark. so why is george zimmerman trying to tell us that when we know that that isn't the case?

>> again, an argument you just made. i know you're on social media and talk to other attorneys. that is something that was out there throughout the course of the trial. a lot of folks made that same argument. it was not logistically argued, like that.

>> you know, we all have different styles. it is a style thing, at times.

>> i want to play a little clip here, this is john guy at the end of his summation, talking about the elephant in the room . i want to play it on the other side. here it is.

>> if the roles were reversed and it was 28-year-old george zimmerman walking home in the rain with a hoodie on to protect himself from the rain, walking through that neighborhood and a 17-year-old driving around in a car, called the police. who had hate in their heart. hate in their mouth. hate in their actions. and if it was trayvon martin who had shot and killed george zimmerman , what would your verdict be? that is how you know it is not about race.

>> he says it is not about race, but that is precisely what he is talking about. he is talking about race.

>> yeah, and that is why i think it got back to the heart of the matter . and i know you're doing this show with a good attorney, and lisa bloom , one of the things that we attorneys always try to do is make sure you can make it a common sense argument with the jury. one of the things i have always said about this case when all of our legal colleagues said this is such a hard case, this is such a complicated case. i think they were really intellectually dishonest. because they are not acknowledging the racial undertones in this case. and it is like john guy just said. if the roles were reversed. if a 28-year-old african-american man got out of his car with a gun and pursued an unarmed teenager, nobody in america would say that is a complicated case, and it wouldn't be second degree murder, it would be first degree murder.

>> how do you think this plays out? the jury, they asked for the evidence today. they left a little early. a lot of folks trying to read the tea leaves now. how long do you think it plays out and for the jury to come back with a verdict?

>> two things, attorney o'mara said in his summation that we can't use presumptions to convict the innocent when he was talking about george zimmerman . but isn't that in fact when george zimmerman did that night when he pursued trayvon martin ? made assumptions, and his assumptions were not correct? and trayvon had to pay for his mistake with his life. and so i think if the jury just looks at it with a common sense , all the evidence is there to hold him accountable.

>> but did the prosecution put the puzzle pieces of evidence together for the jury?

>> well, i think the evidence is there if they follow the evidence to hold him accountable. we have always said that, i don't think nothing has changed. it is just a question, can you get equal justice in america? and i think that is what it is coming down to. because that is why everybody is watching this case.