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Why did Hoboken mayor wait to come forward?

Steve Kornacki and his guests continue their conversation and examine why the mayor of Hoboken could have decided to come forward with her story now.

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>>> we're going to play some more from the interview yesterday where hoboken mayor dawn zimmer attempts to answer the question you raised. we are having technical difficulties . we can bat around the question. if you are trying to attack her credibility, the two things i've heard in the last 24 hours are, number one, shea says this happened in may of 2013 . here it is in january 2014 , and she's coming forward. we can just start with that one. my own thoughts on it are a plausible reason would would be, you know, if you want to give her the benefit of the doubt , the plausible reason would with be in may of 2013 chris christie 's popularity is, what, 75% in new jersey. the democratic party is rolling over for him. she said she has had a pretty good relationship with him on other stuff for hoboken. she is reliant on the state for all sorts of things including sandy aid. i can't stand up to this guy and take him down right now but i can be anyways to him for a few months and maybe he'll change his mind on sandy and not force me to do the development. if you want to believe what she says and give her the benefit of the tout, that's the take you would use.

>> believing what she says and accepting it at face value, she could have been afraid to come forward. she didn't have other allies at that time as she would have right now. and she just really would have at that time a very difficult time coming forward. now she didn't, assumption he said that or his people said it, she didn't go along with it. she didn't take that developer. so she, in fact, would have felt comfo comfortable about that and she just didn't feel, it seems, that that was the time to come forward on it. now she feels a lot more comfortable with everything that's happening.

>> does that sound plausible to you?

>> let me first say i don't know dawn zimmer but i know kim guadagno and the governor. these are two former federal prosecutors . kim actually prosecuted racketeering cases, and everyone knows the governor indicted over 100 politicians. does anyone actually believe that they would be complicit in anything that had any overtones whatsoever that had either illegality of this type? i don't think --

>> the mayor of hoboken believes it.

>> i understand. i get that but i'm saying common sense dictates that these are people who have been very involved in law enforcement and very tough on politicians for a long time. so i think it's difficult for people to believe that they would engage in activity that would be illegal in any sense.

>> but when you listened to dawn zimmer yesterday, did you find what she was saying credible? did you find the diary entries credible?

>> i have no information keng her allegations. i didn't even see the show. but my sense is knowing chris christie and the fact that i don't think he would be involved in anything close to this, helping david samson , it's so repugnant to him, i would think. this is the opposite of the allegations. that's why it's so difficult, i think, for the public to buy into it.

>> david, the other thing, and you allude to this, the other attack on her credibility i've heard in the last 24 hours has been, well, the governor's office sent out a whole series of tweets after these incidents supposedly occurred in may of dawn zimmer saying favorable things about the christie administration, positive things about the christie administration. do you think there's -- do you think that's a solid attack on her credibility on this?

>> you know, since i've -- anything is possible at this point. this is new jersey, after all. i think what's interesting, again, is that there is probably not a lot of up side for mayor zimmer to sort of speak out on her own sort of unscripted in the months after may to kind of, you know, make a point which might sound like sour grapes or might not be could be rated by other things. so it seems like that would have been a little bit out of left field , i guess. the other thing that's interesting potentially is the fact that the governor's folks, this may not be illegal. it's hard to say. it does potentially smack of hardball politics which is perfectly appropriate.

>> the allegation is that samson somehow was involved.

>> the allegation is, to be clear, the allegation is spes if specifically that sandy aid was tied by two top level members of the administration. sandy aid was tied to approving of the development project. the question on the table is, if that happened, if that's true and she's offered to take the lie detector test and go under oath, if that's true, why did it mean so much to chris christie ? and the suggestion then is that maybe just trying to find connections the only connection that jumps out is the fact the project is represented by the law firm of his close friend and confidant and the port authority chairman. that's not to reach allegation. that's going from the allegation that's been made to say why.

>> i can't say with all these different conversations it brings me back to the simple issue. he has been incredibly popular, overwhelmingly successful at the voting booth , and he's a national figure. anything said about him is front page news. then you have to piece together what exactly was said and then you create these hypotheticals based on what she said and what someone else said and, to me, i think we have to do this in a logical way, the way a prosecutor would do it, not in the news media nor in the --

>> do you want the u.s. attorney to look into -- would you like the u.s. attorney to look into her allegations?

>> i would rather have the u.s. attorney than politicians. i have no problems if she brings that to the attorney general. politicians screaming about politicians is the problem we have.

>> governor christie is in florida as all this happens. what is in store for him down there. that's next. i've