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'Scarborough Country' for Nov. 9

Read the transcript to the Thursday show

Guests: Richard Wolffe, Michael Crowley, Steve Adubato


in at the White House, George Allen out in Virginia, Democrats in control

of the Senate, John Bolton out at the U.N., global warming in with new

Democratic leaders, Charlie Rangel out—of his mind?  Breaking news,

progressive views and conservative who lose straight ahead as we bring you

the latest on the election night that‘s going to reshape America, the Iraq

war and the way George W. Bush is remembered.

But tonight, there is little doubt how the GOP base is feeling right

now, dazed and confused, beaten by Democrats and betrayed by their own

party.  This Republican Party that‘s been so sure of itself since the

Reagan revolution was launched a quarter century ago is now unmoored, angry

at its leaders and unsure of its future.

To talk about how fear and loathing in the GOP ranks has reached

almost Thompsonian (ph) levels is Richard Wolffe.  He is, of course,

“Newsweek‘s” senior White House correspondent.  We‘ve got Pat Buchanan,

MSNBC political analyst, and Michael Crowley, senior editor for “The New


Well, Michael, the big news today, arch-conservative George Allen, a

man loathed by many progressives, goes down in Virginia, and that means

Democrats officially will be controlling Congress.  Are they already

flexing their political muscles?

MICHAEL CROWLEY, “THE NEW REPUBLIC”:  Yes.  Well, first thing I want

to say is it‘s really palpable, the joy that Democrats are feeling.  I

mean, you know, like in basketball, you know, a lay-up is worth 2 points

and a slam dunk is worth 2 points, but when you dunk over a guy who‘s

fouling you all night and driving you crazy, and dunk in his face, it feels

really sweet.  And that‘s the reaction that I‘ve been hearing from

Democrats all day is just this really kind of joy.  I mean, Allen became

such a villain for them.  So it‘s this added bonus.  They‘ve got the

majority and they‘ve vanquished this guy that I think they really came to

loathe.  You know, and we‘ll see if they flex their muscles.  They‘re

trying to—they‘re trying to act...

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, you say...

CROWLEY:  ... as though they‘re going to be conservative about it,


SCARBOROUGH:  We‘ll see if they flex their muscles, but you‘ve got

George Bush yesterday getting rid of Donald Rumsfeld, who really had to be

at the top of the list of who Democrats loathe.  You had George W. Bush

today basically bowing and scraping to Nancy Pelosi, talking about reaching

out to the Democratic Party and working with the San Francisco Democrat. 

You‘ve got George Allen, again, being booted out.  And now we‘re hearing

tonight that John Bolton may be out at the United Nations.

My gosh, this is happening so quickly.  It‘s the domino effect that

Ike warned Republicans about 50 years ago.

CROWLEY:  I mean, there‘s no question that Democrats are feeling

swagger, that they‘re ready to flex their muscles, but I think, you know,

they want to be careful and I know that they‘re saying to themselves, We

got to be careful that we don‘t get carried away.  We talked about this a

night or two ago, I think.  They remember that the Republicans, Joe, some

of your friends back in the 1990s, got a little carried away, and the

public soured on them.

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, it‘s very nice of you to say some of my

friends instead of me.


SCARBOROUGH:  Really nice of you.  I had all the subtlety of, like, a

canon.  I had the subtlety of Pat Buchanan after winning the 1996 election

in Iowa.


SCARBOROUGH:  It was very exciting.  So you know, Richard Wolffe, with

George Allen conceding in Virginia and with Bolton possibly leaving, with

Rumsfeld out, with all of these things happening, it reminds me of what

John McCain said after the 2004 election, that elections do have

consequences.  But my gosh, we‘re seeing these consequences come about at a

rapid-fire pace.

RICHARD WOLFFE, “NEWSWEEK”:  Yes.  And to some extent, you know, I

expected Rumsfeld to go anyway by the end of the year.  The president was

clearly going to have to meet the mood of change.  But things have been

accelerated here because of the scale of the defeat.

Now, you‘ve got to give the White House some credit here for getting

ahead of the change.  You said, Are Democrats flexing their muscles?  Well,

he‘s not waiting for them to flex their muscles, he‘s trying to take

control and trying to say, you know, in Bill Clinton‘s term, he‘s still

relevant and show that he can set a path here.

And remember, for this president -- - there‘s a lot of talk about

Austin and how he was bipartisan then.  More relevant is how he campaigned

in 2000.  Remember, he said he was a different type of Republican, and what

he meant by that was not the Tom DeLay, Newt Gingrich kind of Republican. 

That‘s what he‘s really reaching back to now.

SCARBOROUGH:  He was going to be a uniter, not a divider, and how long

ago that seems.  Of course, things changed very quickly after he got in

power and 9/11 hit, and he had a different approach to the age of terror,

of course, than the Democrats, and that‘s caused so many of the battles

between the two.

Pat Buchanan, let‘s talk about the way the White House is handling

this.  Richard brings up a great point.  You had Bill Clinton, beaten by

the Democrats (SIC) in 1994.  That was in November.  It took him almost six

months to get his bearings.  It took him until April or May to start

fighting back.  Even in April, he was saying, I‘m still relevant.  But here

you have George Bush moving very quickly.  Is that a good move, or is he

showing weakness?  It‘s certainly not something Nixon or Reagan would do,

is it?

PAT BUCHANAN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST:  I think he‘s gone a bit too

far, in my judgment.  Look, there‘s no doubt Rumsfeld was going to go, but

•           and he brought him in and he moved preemptively and he struck and took

down one of his best friends, and he did it in a very brutal fashion.  And

he‘s brought her in and he‘s now talking about compromise on issues like


Joe, the American people voted against Republicans to throw them out. 

The American people did not vote for Nancy Pelosi!  They didn‘t vote for

amnesty.  They didn‘t vote for a guest worker program.  Everybody ran

against that.  The president better make sure that where he moves with

Nancy Pelosi, like on the minimum wage, the American people have supported


SCARBOROUGH:  Pat Buchanan, you know what?  And I‘m telling you, just

write it down right now, George W. Bush is going to move very quickly to

the middle.  He‘s going to anger his conservative base.  He‘s going to go

along with a minimum wage increase.  He‘s going to go along with the plan

that you call amnesty.


SCARBOROUGH:  He‘s going to go along with Democrats on one issue after

another on the domestic side of things, at least.  And conservatives are

going to be very angry, but that‘s the way this guy‘s going to govern.

BUCHANAN:  Let me tell you, if he does that, he will—maybe he‘s got

the votes in the left wing of the Democratic Party.  If he moves toward the

Pelosi Democrats rather than the Webb Democrats—if he moves toward the

Webb Democrats on judges, taxes, minimum wage, things like that, that is

the winning hand.  That is Ronald Reagan.  But if he‘s a new kind of

Republican, and that‘s someone who negotiates with Nancy Pelosi, he is

going to have a hellish problem on his hands.  And Mr. Mehlman and Mr. Rove

ought to know that.

SCARBOROUGH:  Michael Crowley, I want to play you a clip from what

Tony Snow had to say earlier today.  Obviously, Tony Snow is the press

secretary over at the White House.  Take a listen.


TONY SNOW, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY:  The partisan temperature has

gotten too hot here in Washington over a period of time, and I think maybe

changing the tone—look, the parties are going to disagree.  That‘s why

they belong to different parties.  But on the other hand, if you can

restore a sense of mutual respect, that‘s a good thing, and I think it‘s



SCARBOROUGH:  And Michael Crowley, of course, he was also asked what

was on the menu today.  I think, actually, it was another White House

official who was asked what was on the menu today, the lunch menu with

Speaker-to-be Pelosi.  His answer, Crow.


SCARBOROUGH:  This is a humbled White House, is it not?

CROWLEY:  Yes.  I mean, just the images of Pelosi in the Oval Office

were kind of stunning.  I mean, if I can just quickly use another sports

metaphor, I thought of, like, when a guy who‘s been on a team for a long

time gets traded and you had see him in a different jersey, it‘s just kind

of like cognitive dissonance.  You know, what is she doing in there?  And

that‘s got to be humbling for Bush.  He a guy who likes to own the room and

have a sense of swagger, and it‘s not often that he‘s kind of forced to sit

there and make nice like that.

And you know, but this idea of, like, changing the tone and somehow

now Democrats are going to have to—Bush is going to, you know, teach

Democrats how to change the tone—it‘s such a crock.  I mean, one of the

fundamental platforms of Bush‘s campaign in 2000 was to change the tone in

Washington.  And you can say that Democrats were—said some nasty things

and played rough, but Bush did basically nothing to try to—to try to

change the tone or try to change the discourse.  He allowed the political

operation of the Republican Party to run vicious campaigns in 2002.  So...

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, Michael...


SCARBOROUGH:  There‘s no doubt about it, Michael, that he didn‘t reach

out to the center.  He didn‘t reach out to Democrats.  But Democrats have

been pretty tough on him, too.  I mean, Nancy Pelosi hasn‘t exactly been

George W. Bush‘s biggest fan.  Take a look at what she said.



president‘s leadership and the actions taken in Iraq demonstrate an

incompetence in terms of knowledge, judgment and experience.


SCARBOROUGH:  And of course, she said quite a few more things.  I

mean, it has been extraordinarily harsh on both sides, has it not, Pat?

BUCHANAN:  Wait a minute, Joe.  Wait a minute!~  This is—speaking

of a crock—I mean, George Bush—what about No Child Left Behind with

Teddy Kennedy?  He was going to all these—what about prescription drugs? 

That was not a conservative Republican initiative.  The president did try

to govern like his father with these middle-of-the-road initiatives,

spending projects.  That‘s why he‘s in trouble with his base is because he

tried to move in that direction.

SCARBOROUGH:  You know, Richard, what‘s so interesting, I was talking

to Tom Fiedler early this afternoon.  He‘s executive editor of “The Miami

Herald.”  And I said it‘s interesting that Jeb Bush in Florida is

extraordinarily popular.  He‘s considered a moderate figure despite the

fact he‘s very conservative.  But somehow, the opposite effect has latched

onto George W. Bush.

George W. Bush is not conservative, at least economically.  You can

talk about the prescription drug benefit.  You can talk about the biggest

deficit ever.  You can talk about the biggest debt ever.  You can talk

about what conservatives call his amnesty program.  And yet for some

reason, even when he reached out to Ted Kennedy with No Child Left Behind,

Richard, he was still branded as a right-wing extremist.  Why does this guy

seem to get it from both sides?

WOLFFE:  Well, partly because his fortunes are down.  I mean, you

heard it both sides, just from Pat‘s mouth just now.  He said President

Bush would have a hellish time working with Democrats, but he also said

he‘d have a hellish time with Republicans because he‘s done things like No

Child Left Behind and Medicare prescription drugs.  I mean, he has tried to

work both sides of it.  He has been this big-government conservative. 

Listen, he‘s been conservative on taxes.  He‘s been cutting taxes Reagan-

style.  He just hasn‘t been a fiscal hawk and tried to balance the budget.

Well, you know, there‘s no free lunch here.  And of course, holding

this party together, the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives,

is not an easy thing, and the war has obviously broken things apart here. 

But I think, you know, look at it.  The trouble he‘s got into on

immigration—his plan—his problems with immigration now are not that

he‘s going to work with conservatives, it‘s that he‘s going to return to

his original immigration plan, which Democrats supported and his party

didn‘t.  So he hasn‘t taken his party with him for the last two years.  And

you know, in a way, it‘s surprising they ever voted for prescription drug

benefits in the first place.


CROWLEY:  You know, Joe, but prescription drug vote—I mean, that‘s

a great example.  They held the vote open in the House until 3:00 in the

morning.  There were allegations that Tom DeLay and his cohorts were

actually trying to bribe people on the House floor because they couldn‘t

get any Democrats to come along because they treated Democrats like dirt in

the Congress.  That was the Republican leadership in the Congress, but it

all flowed down from Bush‘s attitude.  I think No Child Left Behind, yes,

is an exception, but it was an exception that proves the rule.

BUCHANAN:  But you know, George W. Bush has not vetoed a single

spending bill to come out of Capitol Hill.  And there‘s another thing, Joe,

that deals with Bush.  Temperamentally, he is not his brother Jeb.  Jeb is

much more conservative, but temperamentally, Bush and those attacks in

2002, basically, on the Democratic Party, on the patriotism issue—I

think that fostered the Democrats‘ -- the big elephant in the room here is

Iraq.  On that, the president‘s been extraordinarily tough, and they‘ve

been savage on him.

SCARBOROUGH:  Yes, they actually—they have been savage on him, but

they have been savage on him since 2002.  That really was a dividing line,

and that‘s really when the two parties broke apart and when George W. Bush,

of course, became enemy number one for the Democratic Party.

Richard Wolffe, Pat Buchanan and Michael Crowley, thanks for being

with us.  Greatly appreciate it.

And coming up: Who has the best record in politics?  Well, when it

comes to getting people over the finish line, it‘s Stephen Colbert.  Every

candidate who appeared on his show won.  So why aren‘t they thanking him? 

Plus, inside infidelity.  NBC‘s hidden camera investigation catches

cheaters in the act.  We‘ll show you how they got busted.

But next: Now that they own Capitol Hill, should Democrats thank Rush

Limbaugh?  That‘s what liberal pundits are saying.  We‘ll give you the real

story next.


SCARBOROUGH:  Welcome back.  When Rush Limbaugh accused Michael J. Fox

of not taking his medication before appearing in an ad for the Democratic

Senate candidate in Missouri, Democrats went on the attack.  Is it just

payback time for Democrats, who‘ve never forgiven Limbaugh for putting the

Republican Party in power back in 1994?

Here now, MSNBC political analyst Pat Buchanan and former White House

communication director for Ronald Reagan, and media analyst Steve Adubato. 

He‘s the author of “Make the Connection.”

Hey, Steve, is this just sour grapes by Democrats?

STEVE ADUBATO, MEDIA ANALYST:  No, but it‘s the Democrats saying thank

you to Rush for bringing attention to the Michael J. Fox spot.  He only did

it—he only did the commercial spot in a few states, but if Rush hadn‘t

acted like an idiot and tried to gesticulate all over the place and we

didn‘t have the video of it and he didn‘t turn around and question Michael

J. Fox as to whether he was really acting or not and then not apologize for

about 48 hours, we wouldn‘t have been talking about it night after night. 

State after state would not have seen this commercial spot, where it was

never designed to run.  You‘re seeing it right now.

I‘ll tell you what, it helped in a state like New Jersey, where, in

fact, Tom Kean actually is supportive of stem cell research, but it helped

Bob Menendez because Republicans were with Limbaugh.

SCARBOROUGH:  How do you know that, though?  I mean...

ADUBATO:  How do I know anything, Joe?

SCARBOROUGH:  I was saying weeks ago that New Jersey was going to

break Democratic.  It just seems to me, again, that a lot of these people

that have bashed Rush Limbaugh for 20 years—and again, never forgave him

for helping push Republicans over the top in 1994 -- just kind of want to

poke at him and want to accuse him of doing something that neither you nor

I know that he actually did.

ADUBATO:  Let me just say this.  I can‘t get inside his head.  I know

that in ‘94, you, Joe, and some others were very happy that Rush was so

powerful.  He did, in fact, help the Democrats get defeated, the

Republicans take control.  Great.  I have no question as to how powerful he


But here‘s the thing.  In 2006, when you act the way he did, when you

make fun of a victim, someone who is suffering from Parkinson‘s—he

didn‘t debate the issue of stem cell research, he challenged the veracity

of Fox.  He made greater—he drew greater attention to it, and it had to

help Democrats.  You don‘t have to be a genius to figure that out.

SCARBOROUGH:  I mean, the thing is, he moved around for a couple of

seconds, and as you and I have both said, we all screw up, we all make

mistakes.  This guy talks three hours a day.  We made a mistake—and I‘ll

say it right here.  We made a mistake.  When I was out in Las Vegas doing a

show, we actually ran that on a loop for probably five, ten seconds, making

it look like he was doing it for a longer than he did.  And we weren‘t

alone, of course.  When we came back and found out it had happened...

ADUBATO:  I remember.

SCARBOROUGH:  ... we didn‘t do it again.  But we are guilty, too of...

ADUBATO:  You apologized, Joe.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, we are guilty, too, of jumping—I just think,

Pat Buchanan, that this was a chance to whack a guy that the left has hated

for years.

BUCHANAN:  Look, Rush has inflicted so many wounds on liberal

Democrats over the years.  That‘s exactly right.  The Democrats won a big

victory and the Republicans got wiped out, and so now they‘re gloating and

jumping on Rush.  I do agree with this, the imitation of Michael Fox for a

couple of seconds—filming it was a mistake.  As Rush says, he‘s right

only 98.6 percent of the time.


BUCHANAN:  That leaves 1.4, and he shouldn‘t have taped it.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, again—and the thing is, you know, I‘m on my

show one hour a night.  I have a lot of guests I can throw to.  Limbaugh

talks three hours a day.

BUCHANAN:  You know, Rush...

SCARBOROUGH:  And in fact, he talked some today and he said he‘s sick

and tired of sticking up for Republicans who didn‘t...

BUCHANAN:  Well...

SCARBOROUGH:  ... hold on, who didn‘t stand up for themselves, and

that‘s something I agreed with.  But when he said something that I‘ve heard

just about every conservative in America say over the past six months, he

got attacked.  Take a listen to what he said.


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST:  We defend them.  We say what

they really think when they can‘t say it or don‘t want to say it or don‘t

have the guts to say it.  And we bail them out.  Then when it comes

election time—and they still won‘t say what they are.  They still won‘t

be conservative because they‘re afraid of it.  And so I‘m simply—if

they‘re not going to go out and articulate their conservatism, I‘m not

going to let them depend on me to get them over the hump!  They‘re the ones

running for office, I‘m not.  I‘m a radio guy.  If they can‘t make the

case, if they can‘t carry the banner, then it‘s their problem.


SCARBOROUGH:  Pat, I have heard Republicans say that.  What he didn‘t

say—what he didn‘t say was it was George W. Bush who could never



SCARBOROUGH:  ... why we were in Iraq.  That was all directed—I

can‘t get into his mind, but I‘m pretty sure that was directed at the

president because that‘s what I‘ve—I‘ve been hearing conservatives say

for years that the guy who best explained why we were in Iraq was Tony


BUCHANAN:  You know, not only Iraq, though.  Let me give you a

pristine example.  Ward Connerly, someone with real guts, goes up to

Michigan to overturn that Affirmative Action thing whereby white working-

class kids are kept out of college because of the color of their skin, and

that‘s a Republican principle.  He went and fought for it.  The Republican

establishment abandoned him.  Ward Connerly‘s amendment won with 58 percent

to 42.  If Republicans had gotten behind that, saying, Look, we‘re for

equal justice under law, no discrimination one way or another, they would

have carried Michigan.  They deserved to lose because they do not stand for

what they believe in, even when it‘s popular with the country, because

they‘re more interested in being popular inside this city!

ADUBATO:  I absolutely agree with Pat.  And the interesting thing is,

Rush is an extraordinary communicator.  He‘s a great broadcaster.  But let

me just say this.  When you go down the line with the Republican Party and

you make it clear that you‘re not an objective journalist—and he doesn‘t

have to be.  He‘s a great broadcaster.  He has a loyal audience.  But as

soon as this race is over, then he turns around and says, I am no longer

going to defend you guys if you don‘t speak up for yourselves—I‘ll tell

you what.  My problem is this.  I just wish Rush, while he‘s saying that,

would acknowledge that on some level, Joe and Pat, he contributed—he

didn‘t do it himself, he contributed to hurting the Republicans in a very

close race, where some of these Senate races were judged by just a few

thousand votes and the balance of power was there.  He didn‘t help.

And finally, guys, don‘t let him off the hook so easily.  He didn‘t

apologize, Joe, as quickly as you apologize when you make a mistake.  He

waited almost 48 hours, which meant the news cycle kept running the story,

running the video, running his challenging of Michael J. Fox.

BUCHANAN:  Wait a minute, now!  He...

ADUBATO:  He could have put it away, Pat.

BUCHANAN:  You mean—put it away?  You mean the news cycle would not

have re-run that footage of Rush as long as they said if Rush said, I

probably shouldn‘t have done that?  Come on!  We‘re in a political campaign

at the end.  They would have rammed that to him as long as they could, just

the way they‘re doing now, long after he said he made a mistake there!

ADUBATO:  Joe Scarborough, you know that we ran that footage, we did

those shows with Pat.


ADUBATO:  We would not have run them to the degree, Pat—I‘m not

saying not run them at all.  We would have not kept running them at

infinitum if he was just saying, Look, I blew it.  I was insensitive to a

guy who‘s suffering.  I do have a different—by the way, I totally

respect that he has a different point of view on stem cell research. 

That‘s not what it was about.  He protracted the news cycle even with those

who wanted to be fair.

BUCHANAN:  Let me ask you something...


SCARBOROUGH:  Listen, we got...

BUCHANAN:  Taken all in all, was Rush an asset for the Republican

Party in this campaign?


BUCHANAN:  He sure was!


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, let me tell you something.  If you asked every

Republican, or just go to the head of the Republican National Committee and

ask whether they‘d want Rush Limbaugh out there every day, fighting their

battle day in and day out, talking to 20 million Americans a week or not,

they would take Rush Limbaugh any day of the week.

ADUBATO:  But he hurt on this one, Joe.  He just hurt on this one.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, I just don‘t think he cost Jim Talent 3 percent of

the vote in Missouri.  I just don‘t think there will ever be a survey that

shows that.  In fact, Survey USA had a survey that showed just that thing.

Hey, but Steve, I appreciate you being on.

ADUBATO:  Thanks, Joe.  Thanks for having me.

SCARBOROUGH:  Pat Buchanan, thank you for being with us.

And coming up next, it‘s an all-politics edition of “Must See S.C.,”

as President Bush quacks back at critics who claim he‘ll be a lame duck. 

Plus: When can a candidate say they like cocaine and hookers and still get

elected?  When they say it to Stephen Colbert.  (INAUDIBLE) fake news and a

real impact on who got elected.


SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, it‘s time for tonight‘s “Must See S.C.”  Friends,

this is video you just got to see.  First up, the sudden announcement that

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was stepping down surprised a lot of

people.  But even more shocking, Rummy‘s next job.  Take a look at this

from “The Late Show With David Letterman.”



Rumsfeld and I agreed that the timing is right for new leadership at the

Pentagon.  Don Rumsfeld will bring more than 25 years of national security

experience to become the director for al Qaeda.


SCARBOROUGH:  I never saw that coming!  And finally, some are

speculating that Tuesday‘s elections will mean that President Bush is going

to become a lame duck.  But Mr. Bush went on Conan last night to quack back

at his critics.



like you‘re just going to have to face facts, you‘re now a lame duck


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Let me tell you something.  Conan, I may be lame,

but this duck can still bark!  Meow!


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, coming up next, a tip of the hat to Stephen

Colbert, the most influential man in politics.  (INAUDIBLE) a look at why

some are crediting Colbert and Jon Stewart with helping Democrats win

Congress because of young voters.  And later: Cheaters never prosper (ph). 

NBC‘s hidden cameras are there as people get busted trying to cheat on

their spouses.  Hurry up.  Go!



CONAN O‘BRIEN, HOST, “LATE NIGHT”:  Now, sir, it looks like you‘re

just going to have to face facts.  You‘re now a lame-duck president. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Let me tell you something.  Conan, I may be lame,

but this duck can still bark.  Meow.



SCARBOROUGH:  And coming up next, a tip of the hat to Stephen Colbert,

the most influential man in politics?  We‘re going to look at why some are

crediting Colbert and Jon Stewart with helping Democrats win Congress

because of young voters.

And later, cheaters never prosper.  NBC‘s hidden cameras are there as

people get busted trying to cheat on their spouses.  Hurry up, go!



SCARBOROUGH:  Coming up, caught in the act.  NBC‘s hidden camera

investigation shows how private eyes track down people cheating on their


And later in “Hollyweird,” the latest on Britney and K-Fed‘s divorce,

including what Fed-Ex is now trying to do with Britney‘s money.  And I bet

we‘re the first people probably in the world that‘s call him Fed-Ex, and it

makes me feel really clean and warm inside with “Decision 2006” behind me. 

Now that we‘ve talked about that story, I can‘t wait to do it. 

Welcome back to SCARBOROUGH COUNTRY.  We‘re talking about those—

doesn‘t that make you feel great to be an American? 


SCARBOROUGH:  Well, anyway, we‘re going to get to that in a second,

but first, who should the Democrats thank for their triumph in Tuesday

night‘s elections, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Rush Limbaugh?  Well, we

already scratched him off the list.  Try Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. 

Young voters turned out in record numbers on Tuesday night, their

highest turnout in several decades, and many of them voted Democrat.  DNC

Chairman Howard Dean turned up on “The Daily Show” last night to bask in

the glow of victory. 


JON STEWART, HOST, “THE DAILY SHOW”:  You‘re excited today.  Is there

some sort of noise that you could think of, maybe a vocalization that would

convey your excitement over your victory?  And go ahead and make that

noise, and I promise I won‘t replay it. 




something like—would it be something like “Boo-yah”?

STEWART:  Boo-yah, well done, my friend.  Boo-yah, indeed. 

Congratulations, sir, for all your hard work. 

DEAN:  And thanks to your audience.

STEWART:  Howard Dean.

DEAN:  Because you guys did it for us.


SCARBOROUGH:  “You guys did it for us.”  But, you know, Dean‘s not the

only guy out there that‘s praising Comedy Central.  Today‘s “Los Angeles

Times” says, quote, “The biggest winner of this election season has risen

from the parted waters, and it‘s not Nancy Pelosi.  It‘s Stephen Colbert. 

Every incumbent candidate he interviewed in his notorious ‘Better Know a

District‘ segment was reelected.” 

So do the Democrats have Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert to thank for

their remarkable election night success?  Here now to talk about it,

Matthew Felling.  He‘s the media director for the Center for Media and

Public Affairs.  And Rachel Sklar, she is a media editor for the

“Huffington Post.” 

Rachel, talk about the impact that “The Daily Show” and “The Colbert

Report” had on young voters. 

RACHEL SKLAR, HUFFINGTONPOST.COM:  Well, I mean, one of the things

about “The Daily Show” and “The Colbert Report” is that they really just

had an unfiltered look at the Republican spin machine.  They were the first

people to kind of go in there and...

SCARBOROUGH:  You think they disassembled it? 

SKLAR:  Well, sure.  I mean, they blatantly went in there and called

them on it.  They put clips side by side to call them out on obfuscations

and half-truths and all of the sin.  And I think that was something that

was really galvanizing for the audience. 

And I‘ve used that term before, because I just think that that‘s

really what happened in this election.  People were galvanized across the

country to make a difference, to make a change. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And it did make a difference.  And also very

interesting, as the “Los Angeles Times” reported this morning, Democratic

challenger John Hall went on Colbert‘s show last month looking for a boost

in his race against Republican incumbent Sue Kelly.  Take a look. 


STEPHEN COLBERT, HOST, “THE COLBERT REPORT”:  I oppose everything that

you stand for, but you were willing to talk to me, and your opponent, Sue

Kelly, was not.  So let‘s move your numbers right here.  Let‘s smear your



COLBERT:  Just pick a card.  These are smear cards.  Any card, any

card at all.  There you go.  What‘s it say?

HALL:  My opponent smokes marijuana. 

COLBERT:  That‘s a bold accusation that I think that someone in the

press ought to pick it up and at least find out about, because it‘s out

there now.  It‘s out there now that Sue Kelly smokes pot.  That‘s just out


HALL:  You know...

COLBERT:  DEA, check out her house.  Look for grill lights and

hydroponics.  I‘m not saying it; he is. 


SCARBOROUGH:  And Hall actually went on to beat Sue Kelly in that

race, and last night he went back on Colbert‘s show to thank him and to



COLBERT AND HALL (singing):  Oh, say does that star-spangled banner

yet wave?  O‘er the land of the free and the home of the brave.  

COLBERT:  Play ball!  Newly elected Representative John Hall. 


SCARBOROUGH:  Forget the harmony, Matthew Felling.  Does Colbert,

Stewart and Comedy Central get any credit, as the “L.A. Times” suggested

they might deserve? 


harmony?  Come on, man.  That‘s a secret talent I had no idea that Colbert


SCARBOROUGH:  That‘s pretty damn good.

FELLING:  You know, we like it.  I‘m going to have to disagree with

Rachel on this.  The fact is that all the Republican spin was unspun and

unraveled over August, over September, over October.  I mean, we had

Abramoff.  Then we had Iraq just finally get to the boiling point, get to

the tipping point, and nobody was going to fall for the “stay the course”

audible in the middle of October.  And then, you know, there‘s that thing

about, you know, sending IMs to pages and talking about penis length.  I

think that there was nothing...


SCARBOROUGH:  For young voters, though, who may not be watching these

type of shows, these type of news shows, they will turn on Comedy Central. 

And it‘s sort of like the video equivalent of political cartoons, which

have had impacts over political careers, over, you know, the past century

or so. 

FELLING:  I hate to feel—I feel like the guy at the end of “King

Kong” who says, “It wasn‘t beauty who killed the beast.”  But what I really

think that was slayed the beast, the GOP, this year, was YouTube and not

the Colbert-Stewart programs.

YouTube, let‘s face it.  Today we had Montana and Virginia officially

go to the left side.  And what happened in Montana?  We had Conrad Burns on

YouTube, probably viewed a couple hundred thousand times, about the

Guatemalan guy who takes care of his house.  And then we had macaca

endlessly throughout August, throughout September.  That took Allen from 30

points ahead, 25, down to even. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And you know what‘s interesting, YouTube also had a

quote—it worked both ways—they had this horrible debate performance

of Heather Wilson‘s opponent in New Mexico.  It was up on YouTube; it was

passed around.  We played it on this show.  She eventually turned it into a

commercial, and I think YouTube helped reelect a Republican, also, Heather


Now, Comedy Central obviously thought its audience was interested

enough in the election to hold, of course, that election special Tuesday

night.  Let‘s show a clip of how they announced the defeat of Republicans

Katherine Harris and Rick Santorum. 


STEWART:  You‘ll remember the Florida secretary of state, Katherine

Harris, earned some notoriety in the 2000 recount.  Her Senate run has been

beset by staff defections, campaign trail gaffes, and insanity.  But

tonight, incumbent Bill Nelson held off Harris, a defeat that can only be

called deflating, a terrible tragedy. 



The number-three Republican in the Senate, Rick Santorum, faced a

tough fight against conservative Democrat Bob Casey.  We have the results

right now, and we are ready to announce that—oh, no, what‘s happening? 

Oh, my God, he‘s been Raptured.  Rick Santorum has been Raptured to a

better place.  I‘m assuming a lobbying firm, because tonight Rick Santorum

defeated.  Bob Casey...


SCARBOROUGH:  No doubt about it there, Rachel, a lot of young people

in that audience.  It sounds like most of them were Democrats and most of

Jon Stewart‘s audience young Democrats, right? 

SKLAR:  But this is the thing.  Did you hear that audience?  They knew

who Rick Santorum was.  They understood the issues; they knew going along. 

If you watched Jon Stewart every night or if you watch Colbert, the

audience responds in such a way that you know that they understand what‘s

going on.  They‘re aware of the issues; they‘re an educated audience. 

And I think that that‘s really important.  I think you‘ve got a group

of people who are very energized.  And I‘ve got to disagree with Matthew

disagreeing with me, because I do think that the impact of Jon Stewart and

Stephen Colbert is not only in their 1.4 million person audience every

night.  It is in YouTube.  It‘s in the pick-up in the press.  It‘s in the

fact that their sound bites are picked up—I mean, look at this show,

right?  We‘re talking about this right now. 

SCARBOROUGH:  They really are, Matthew, are they not?  I mean, right

now they‘re at the center of the zeitgeist, the political, and they were in


SKLAR:  And that‘s exactly what it is, a zeitgeist.

SCARBOROUGH:  They were in 2004 also, Matthew, right, with people like

Ted Koppel and Tom Brokaw lining up to interview Jon Stewart? 

FELLING:  You know, it‘s funny you bring up 2004, because I think that

all the Democrats in America would exchange the one guest difference from

2004 that they had, where they had John Kerry on “The Daily Show,” but they

didn‘t have George Bush.  That didn‘t really work out two years ago. 

And you can make the argument that technology and the Internet and

YouTube have changed a whole lot of things, but at the end of the day,

we‘re looking at Casey in Pennsylvania, who beat the heck out of Santorum,

and Santorum was in trouble way before that.  I think that we‘re cherry-

picking here with a lot of races.  The reason people went on Colbert was

because they were way ahead of the race or unchallenged. 

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, you know, the thing is, though, if you want to

look at the close races, the two races that made the biggest difference—

and you brought them up—the race in Montana and the race in Virginia,

the loss of Conrad Burns.  The guy lost by what, 2,000, 3,000 votes?  And

then you have the race in Virginia, where you have Allen who lost by a

couple thousand votes.  That could be some young people—and let‘s just

say—that watch “The Daily Show,” that watch “The Colbert Report,” that

go to YouTube, that goes to DailyKos, that goes to the “Huffington Post.”

It‘s new media, I believe, that certainly had an impact on one or two

races, and that made the difference between Republicans and Democrats

controlling the Senate.  Hey, Matthew, thank you for being with us. 

Rachel, as always, I greatly appreciate it. 

And coming up next, inside marital infidelity.  NBC‘s hidden cameras

follow private investigators as they try to catch cheaters in the act. 

And later in “Hollyweird,” will Britney get fed up now that K-Fed

reportedly wants custody of the kids and alimony?  What?  His rap career is

not going to pay the bills? 


SCARBOROUGH:  So how far would you go to find out if your husband or

wife was cheating?  Well, today, Meredith Vieira shows us how NBC cameras

went under cover with investigators to track down a possible cheater. 


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  There are 60 million couples in the United States;

65 percent of them either had an affair, are currently having an affair, or

plan to have an affair.  That leaves a market of almost 40 million people

who will have this problem.

MEREDITH VIEIRA, NBC ANCHOR (voice-over):  Meet Tony D‘Lorenzo (ph),

senior consultant for All State Investigations.  His business is

infidelity, and business is good. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Just in the (INAUDIBLE) investigation fields

alone, it‘s a $500 million market.  It‘s so lucrative, we get 300 calls a

week for our business now looking for help. 

VIEIRA:  Private investigators like Tony can confirm your worst fear,

that your spouse is cheating. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  We have body cameras.  We have surveillance vans. 

We have monitoring devices.  We have GPS trackers.  There‘s no one

(INAUDIBLE) very simple thing.

VIEIRA:  Security specialist Bill Stanton (ph) visited All State

Investigations to follow along on one of their cases. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Here‘s what we have for today.  This guy here

hired us to follow his wife.  She tells him that she‘s working a lot of

overtime at work. 

VIEIRA:  Her husband, who asked us to conceal his identity, wanted


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Our marriage was really pretty solid up until

about three years ago, and something happened and everything changed. 

There was a lot of phone numbers that she was calling.  It wasn‘t her

normal behavior.  And then she started justifying herself by working so

many hours.  And then I started taking notice of her paychecks, and

obviously her hours weren‘t corresponding with the amount of money that she

was making. 

VIEIRA:  To investigate, Tony assembled a team.  Another private eye,

Larry, was assigned to the office building where the client‘s wife works. 

Bill rode along. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  What‘s your end game?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  My end game is to get the video that the client

wants, and that is the spouse and the suspect in some kind of compromising


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  In many ways, it‘s like going on safari.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes.  You‘re going out for the hunt, and you want

to catch your game. 

VIEIRA:  It began as a waiting game at the target‘s office.  An hour

later, the target leaves work. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Let‘s get on the phone...

VIEIRA:  And the chase begins.  In an attempt to get behind the

target, Larry makes a quick move out of sight. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Tony, you on the air, Tony?  Hey, Tony. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, I suspect she—hold on.  She‘s going to

pull into the plaza.  She has no clue I‘m here.  That place is closed. 

She‘s coming back.  I‘m going to tuck out of sight while she goes by.

If someone can see, let me know what she‘s doing.  (INAUDIBLE) I

believe she may take the back roads. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Stay on the phone.  She may be still going the

back road.  Yes, 10-4, that‘s her.  If it gets to a point that I think

she‘s on to me or I catch her looking out of her mirrors, then you can take

over the lead, but we should be good for right now. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She‘s five cars ahead of us. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Yes, Tony, she‘s five cars ahead of me.

VIEIRA:  After nearly losing the target, Tony swerves past a car that

wasn‘t letting our trailing van pass...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  There goes our guy.

VIEIRA:  ... and reestablished contact.  They follow her into a

shopping mall, where she stops at a liquor store. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She‘s at the liquor store here in the complex. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I want to get her coming out with the liquor.

VIEIRA:  The target walks out with what looks like a bottle of wine,

and it‘s back on the road. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Come on, come on, come on, come on!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She‘s at the light.  Which way is she going, north

or south? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She‘s making a right.  She‘s making a right. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Just take south.  Just take south.

VIEIRA:  The trail ends at a house the woman was known to frequent. 

Larry is there to catch it all on tape. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  That‘s the house right up there. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Here she comes!  Here she comes!

VIEIRA:  But we still don‘t know who she is meeting there. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  She had a key, let herself in. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Thirty minutes later, a man arrives on location,

and Bill goes in for a closer look. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, you need help with that?  You got that? 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m looking to get to Jones Avenue.  It‘s near a


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I don‘t know if there‘s a Wendy‘s around here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  Oh, I‘m screwed.  I thought you were doing bad

with the door.  Hey, appreciate it.  You sure you don‘t need any help?  All

right, good luck. 

What I want to do is just establish a shot of his face to make—to

get a good eyeball on who and what this guy is. 

VIEIRA:  The team had the information they needed, location of the

target, I.D. of the man who she was spending time with, and the tape to

prove it.  They reported back to their client. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  He just confirmed everything that I had a feeling

was true. 

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I‘m telling you to weigh this.  I don‘t beat

around the bush.  Go to an attorney, get advice.  Decide what you really

want and then go with it from there. 


SCARBOROUGH:  All right, “Hollyweird” is next.


SCARBOROUGH:  Hey, warn your publicist about your Vegas wedding,

because it‘s time for “Hollyweird.”

First up, the train wreck that was the marriage between Britney Spears

and Kevin Federline.  K-Fed says he‘s going to fight Britney for her money

and their kids.  Here now, “InTouch Weekly‘s” senior editor, Tom O‘Neil,

and “Life and Style Weekly‘s” editor-at-large Ashlan Gorse.

I‘m sorry, Tom, does anybody really believe that this guy wants their


TOM O‘NEIL, “INTOUCH WEEKLY”:  Neither one of them should have these

kids.  Remember, how many times was Britney caught with that first boy not

strapped in properly in the car?  The first time she was caught, she was

driving recklessly.  This is what a deadbeat dad Kevin is.

You remember those kids he had with Shar Jackson?  Well, one of the

kids I remember had a birthday party.  He never showed up.  He never

called.  He never sent a present.  It‘s not like dad forgetting the

birthday.  That might happen and sometimes.  He knew about the party; he

just didn‘t care.  That‘s how much he cares about kids.

SCARBOROUGH:  And, Ashlan, we heard that he was a disinterested

father.  Does this mean that he‘s just trying to get more money in the


ASHLAN GORSE, “LIFE AND STYLE WEEKLY”:  That‘s exactly what it means. 

He‘s using this kid as a pawn and, really, he needs more money, because he

has to pay off the alimony for his other kids.  So Britney is pretty much

going to end up paying for those other two kids. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And, of course, Ashlan, this guy held a rap concert last

night and nobody showed up.  He‘s not going to make any money with his

music or movies or anything else, right? 

GORSE:  No, not at all.  Kevin got booed here in L.A. over Halloween. 

He had 70 people show up to his concert in New York, and the event held

1,200 people.  So, no, K-Fed is playing with fire.  It‘s not so hot.

SCARBOROUGH:  Just got burned.  And I‘ll tell you who else got burned,

Faith Hill.  Now, she‘s saying it‘s all a joke, but the singer is under

fire after she was caught on camera in a less-than-gracious moment at the

Country Music Awards.  Take a look. 


UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  And the award for female vocalist of the year goes


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Can you open it?  Carrie Underwood!


SCARBOROUGH:  And of course, Tom, we all saw the closer scream.  It

certainly didn‘t look like an act to me. 

O‘NEIL:  Oh, it was no act.  She‘s playing it, “Oh, I was just kidding

around.”  This is one of those classic moments we see at award shows all

the time, when we see how ungracious in defeat these stars are.  The

classic, do you remember, Bill Murray losing to Sean Penn at the Oscars?  I

thought Bill was going to go out of that chair and grab the Oscar out of

Sean‘s hand.

But the greatest moment of a star being caught in a losing situation

was Lauren Bacall, when she lost the Oscar for “The Mirror Has Two Faces,”

and we saw her other face, and it wasn‘t pretty.  And Lauren, if you‘re

watching, you‘re never going to even be nominated again.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, you know, Ashlan, I‘m quite a Faith Hill fan, so

I‘m willing to cut her slack and say, “I‘m glad she let us know all how she

felt.”  But do you think this may be because she was upset about who beat


GORSE:  You know what?  I think that actually this was a joke.  I

think Faith Hill is a great woman.  She‘s got a great sense of humor, and I

think she knew the camera was there, because it was backstage.  It‘s not

like it was catching her on the sly.  She did it on purpose. 

SCARBOROUGH:  And do you believe that, Tom?  Do you agree with that? 

O‘NEIL:  No, no, no, no, no, no.  I‘ve got to correct Ashlan about

this.  Just today, late today, her manager admitted she didn‘t know the

camera was on her.  Faith thought she was going to win that; that award

normally goes to veterans, and she was the reigning veteran.  She was

ticked off. 


GORSE:  Well, I guess that‘s what happens when you lose to an

“American Idol” person, I guess.

SCARBOROUGH:  Well, actually, I think that‘s what it was all about, a

little ticked about that.

Hey, Tom O‘Neil and Ashlan Gorse, sorry it was such a short time in

“Hollyweird,” but obviously a lot of election news tonight at the top of

the show.  But we look forward to having you back with us next week. 

And that‘s all the time we have for tonight.  A special 10:00 p.m.

edition of HARDBALL with Chris Matthews starts right now. 




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