TUCKER CARLSON: Earlier this month voters in Michigan passed a ban on affirmative action at the state’s public colleges and universities. Only four states have such measures, but groups across the country are finding ways to fight race and sex preference, that is bigotry, in college admissions. A student group in Boston, at Boston University, has created a “Caucasian Achievement and Recognition Scholarship.” It requires applicants to be at least 25 percent Caucasian. Is your skin crawling yet, well, it’s supposed to. The application asks for an essay on, quote, “what it means to you to be a Caucasian-American today.”
Here to explain the controversial scholarship Joe Mroszczyk. He’s the president of the Boston University College Republicans. He joins me from Watertown. Joe, thanks for coming on.
JOE MROSZCZYK, PRES. BOSTON UNIVERSITY COLLEGE REPUBLICANS: Thanks, Tucker.
CARLSON: So people hear this, liberal, conservative, doesn’t matter and everyone goes, wow. What‘s the point of this?
MROSZCZYK: Well, that‘s exactly the point Tucker. I mean, a lot of people are getting upset at us, saying that we’re racists. And we’re really just trying to point out that Boston University gives out a National Hispanic Recognition Program Scholarship, which is a scholarship based on race. The recipients need to be at least one quarter Hispanic. And we think that is ridiculous too. So we’re trying to point out the absurdity of racial preferences by giving out this white scholarship.
CARLSON: Wait, you mean, I’m not Hispanic, if I went to apply for that scholarship, I wouldn‘t be eligible for it?
MROSZCZYK: If you were to try to apply for this National Hispanic Recognition Program Scholarship, you would not be able to apply for it unless you were a quarter Hispanic.
CARLSON: Well that’s racist, isn’t it?
MROSZCZYK: Well, that’s exactly the point. I mean, I think racism can exist in all sorts of forms. I think there’s a double standard here, where a scholarship is given out to a Hispanic or an African-American, that seems to be OK. But if we give one out to white folks, then that seems to be racism. We’re trying to combat that and try to raise the awareness of racial preferences.
CARLSON: So you don’t actually think it’s a good idea to have whites-only scholarships?
MROSZCZYK: Of course not, of course not. Like I said, we’re just trying to point out how ridiculous it is to have any sort of scholarship based on race. We’re not advocating for Boston University to give out a white scholarship or any sort of institution to give out a white scholarship. We’re just trying to point out the double standard there.
CARLSON: I actually couldn’t agree with you more. I think it’s immoral, but here’s my question. How can people who back race specific scholarships for people of specific races, how can they turn around and attack you for doing the same thing. On what grounds can they attack you and have they attacked you?
MROSZCZYK: Well, a lot of people, you know, this is a way to get, you know, minorities into Boston University, or help them to achieve at Boston University, or sort of increase diversity. But, to me, I think diversity is more than just the color of your skin or your ethnicity. I think diversity, especially at a university, should be a diversity of ideas. And being a conservative at Boston University, you know, I’m certainly in the minority here, but there’s no conservative student scholarship. I think the university and I think the American public needs to think about what diversity means. Is it more than just the color of your skin or ethnicity or is it about what ideas and what you bring to the table?
CARLSON: Yes, I think that’s too complicated for the morons in the diversity industry to understand. Let me get back to my question though, have people who stand four square behind scholarships for minorities, so-called minority students, attacked you for offering a faux scholarship for white students?
MROSZCZYK: Not as of yet. It seems like a lot of the arguments I’ve heard is that, you know, Hispanics or some sort of minority, they need to have these special programs in order to help them achieve. And I just don’t think that’s right. I think that any scholarship, or any financial aid, should be based on financial need, and socio-economic affirmative action, so to speak. If students can’t afford to Boston University and achieve well in school, maybe they should have the scholarship. I don’t think any scholarship should be based on whether or not someone is Hispanic or any sort of—
CARLSON: Well I think that the point that you make, and the point that they try to pretend doesn’t exist, is whenever you narrow something down, you include some, but you exclude many others. And so any race-specific scholarship does help some people. There’s no doubt about that. Affirmative Action does help people, but it also hurts other people and keeps them out, because of the color of their skin, and that’s wrong.
MROSZCZYK: Exactly, I mean, there’s plenty of white people, you know, who come from lower class or lower income families that may need the help just as well. But I think a lot of people just draw this inference that just because somebody is minority, that they need the economic—they need the scholarship, they need the financial help, which I don’t think is the case. I think there’s plenty of African-Americans or Hispanics or any minorities that come from rich suburbia, that do just as well.
CARLSON: Why do you think it is, though—when I read this story, and one of the reasons I wanted to have you on, is I read this and, oh, I mean, literally my skin crawled. It made me uncomfortable to read about the scholarship that you’re offering. I thought well, why is that? We live in a society that is filled with this kind of stuff, you know, blacks only, Hispanics only, Asians only, whatever. Why is it that when there’s a whites-only scholarship, it makes all of us, me very much included, so uncomfortable?
MROSZCZYK: I don’t know. That’s the question. I mean, at Boston University we have a Black Student Union as well. A lot of people, they see these things and they say, oh, that’s fine. But if you do it for a white student, then all of a sudden there’s this huge uproar. And look, we’re not doing this as a white supremacy sort of thing or anything like that. We’re really just trying to point out the absurdity of the whole thing about discriminating based on race, regardless of what race your.
CARLSON: Amen, I think you are taking a principled stand I hope you are not vilified as a racist. I don’t think you are.
MROSZCZYK: I’ve got it. I hope so too.
CARLSON: Good luck, thanks Joe.
MROSZCZYK: Thanks Tucker.