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'The Rachel Maddow Show' for Friday, December 2, 2011

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RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: Thanks to you at home.

We begin with some breaking news from the Republican presidential race
tonight. Herman Cain saying he`ll be making a major announcement tomorrow
from his home state of Georgia. NBC News` David Gregory is reporting
tonight that there are strong indications that Mr. Cain will withdraw from
the presidential race tomorrow.

A source close to Mr. Cain saying he wants to shield his family from
more fallout from sexual harassment allegations, as well as the claim made
this week by a Georgia woman that she and Mr. Cain had a year`s-long
extramarital affair. Ginger White, appearing as a guest on MSNBC`s "THE
LAST WORD" told Lawrence O`Donnell last night that she came forward about
that alleged affair because she believed her past relationship with Mr.
Cain had already been leaked to the media.

Mr. Cain has denied the affair with Ms. White but says he had a
friendship with her and that he helped her financially. Here`s what Ms.
White had to say about that last part last night on "THE LAST WORD."


REPORTER: How much money did you give her I her?

HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Well, because of my attorney
and because of things we`re looking at, I can`t talk about that at this
particular point.

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, MSNBC HOST: I can tell you, Ginger White, that
that is not a common answer in interviews with presidential candidates. I
can`t answer because of my lawyer tells me not to.

Can you remember or tell us what you think the total amounts of money
in any given year, how much money he would end up giving you to help you
get by?

GINGER WHITE, ALLEGED CAIN`S MISTRESS: Honestly, I`d rather not say.
I don`t have an exact amount. So I -- you know, I`m just not sure exactly.

O`DONNELL: Did he give you that money in cash?

WHITE: Yes, he did.

O`DONNELL: Always in cash?

WHITE: Always in cash.


MADDOW: "The Des Moines Register "is reporting today Herman Cain is
polling at just 8 percent in their latest survey in Iowa. That`s down from
23 percent only about a month and a half ago. "The Register" noting that
while Mr. Cain has denied the affair allegations, poll respondents`, quote,
"bad feelings about him doubled from the time the poll was in the field,
just from Sunday through Wednesday."

Again, NBC`s David Gregory reporting tonight that there are strong
indications that Mr. Cain will withdraw from the race for the Republican
presidential nomination tomorrow.

Now, the Cain campaign is responding to that tonight by telling NBC
News that nothing is final as of tonight. The campaign saying no decision
has been made. NBC`s reporting, though, again, is that despite that
statement from the campaign, a source close to Mr. Cain says all
indications are he will resign from the race tomorrow.

For his part, personally, here`s what Herman Cain had to say about the
planned announcement earlier today.


CAIN: There are some challenges and I will say, and before any of the
people in the media ask me one more time, I`m going to say what I said
before. I am reassessing because of all of this media firestorm stuff.
Tomorrow in Atlanta, I will be making an announcement, but nobody`s going
to get me to make that prematurely. That`s all there is to that.

So, tomorrow, we`re going to be opening our headquarters in northwest
Georgia where we will also clarify, there`s that word again, clarify,
exactly what the next steps are.


MADDOW: So if Herman Cain does drop out of the presidential race
tomorrow, he will apparently be doing it at the would-be opening of his
northwest Georgia campaign headquarters. That would, in fact, be a very
bizarre way to end a presidential bid, while you`re opening a new campaign

It`s not to say that Herman Cain wouldn`t be the first pioneer to try
something like that, but it would be unprecedented. Joining us now from
Washington is NBC News correspondent Andrea Mitchell, the host of "ANDREA
MITCHELL REPORTS" on MSNBC and a veteran of several campaigns.

Andrea, thanks very much for being with us tonight.


MADDOW: We`re getting pushback from Herman Cain`s campaign. What is
the latest you`re hearing about tomorrow`s announcement? What is NBC`s
reporting at this point?

MITCHELL: Our reporting, and David circled back to his source, I`ve
talked to other people, our reporting is that every indication is that he
will be announcing that he is dropping out tomorrow. But as we said on
"Nightly News" and there was no challenge to anything that was reported on
"Nightly News." they did have problems with apparently some of the
reiterations in social media on Twitter.

But in terms of what we are reporting, it is that while with the Cain
campaign, until he actually announces it, himself, no decision is final.
He is certainly leaning toward getting out because of the pressure on his
family. This was, tonight, the first face to face meeting with his wife,

This has also come amidst a lot of mixed signals. Two new
advertisements went up in Iowa. They`re spending money, supporters, his
super PAC as well as the Cain campaign, itself. The campaign also today on
their Web site launched a new Women for Cain Web site, or part of the Web
site, a new online group. And that group is chaired by Gloria Cain.

So they are sending a lot of mixed signals, but there`s a lot of
indication, in his own words, where he says he`s reassessing it and that he
certainly would be talking to his wife tonight for the first time about
what she did not know, by his admission to "The Union Leader," which was on
their front page today, he had not told his wife about his longtime
friendship with this Atlanta businesswoman who, as you know, Lawrence
extensively interviewed last night.

MADDOW: Andrea, in terms of those mixed signals and in terms of
trying to, I guess, clear this vision as best as we can here, is it clear
to you who speaks for the candidate and who speaks for the campaign at this
time? And even when you`re clear that you are speaking to the actual
campaign, is it clear that the campaign and the candidate are always on the
same page?

MITCHELL: No, it is not. In fact, this has been one of the hallmarks
of this campaign. That the staff don`t necessarily speak for him, that he
seeks his own counsel.

He is an unconventional candidate. He would describe himself that
way, his business experience and his experience as a motivational speaker,
his extensive book tour. That certainly is not typical of a campaign. The
fact that he`s been going to not -- to locations that are not obvious
locations for the campaign, not the early primary states, often. And
actually doing what he has done for years is to go out and be on the
lecture circuit.

So, this is not a typical campaign. It is not staffed that way. It`s
not financed that way. And it`s not at all clear that they are even aware
of what his thinking is.

MADDOW: Because this is an atypical campaign, it may be impossible
even to extrapolate from past campaign experience. But despite that
limitation, with his support plummeting in Iowa and in New Hampshire and
across the country, is there any reasonable upside to him staying in the
race at this point? Is there a path to the nomination for him at this

MITCHELL: There is certainly no path to the nomination. I could say
that about as categorically as anyone could.

However, I mean, with his lack of experience, he`s not like a Newt
Gingrich who has a lot of Washington experience and money in the bank and
the ability to try to reinvent himself. And the proven record of
reinventing himself.

Herman Cain will not be able to do this. His support in Iowa among
likely Republican caucus-goers has plummeted just in the last few days,
when "The Des Moines Register" was in their field with the poll, since this
last scandal has hit. And, certainly, it`s gone from 23 percent to 8
percent just since late October, just a few days over a month.

So there is no viable scenario for him to become a viable candidate.
However, if he wants to repair his reputation and see if more time on the
road and he`s a very effective speaker, he does have a way of appealing to
live audiences. If he wants to do that and get more publicity, that is
positive publicity, compared to the extraordinarily negative publicity of
the Ginger White interview and the reports of the last couple days, that`s
something he could do.

I think "The Union Leader" editorial today which says charisma is not
enough, was the caption of it, and it went on to blame him for the way he`s
handled the last scandal, blame him for not being prepared, adequately
prepared to be president of the United States, that is really a serious
judgment from a traditionally conservative and very powerful newspaper -- a
very powerful voice in New Hampshire, the second state.

MADDOW: Andrea Mitchell, host of "ANDREA MITCHELL REPORTS," weekdays
on MSNBC at 1:00 Eastern, and the hardest working woman in this business.
I`m very thankful.

MITCHELL: You are, Rachel.

MADDOW: Thank you for your time on a Friday, Andrea. Thank you. I
appreciate it. Thanks.

All right. There`s also news about Republicans who are apparently not
thinking about dropping out of the race tonight, particularly the two
Republicans who appear to presume that they are each the certain nominee.
Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich and a conservative version of a 99 percenter,
coming up next.


MADDOW: Just ahead, snuggles. This will make perfect sense in
context, but until then, stay tuned for snuggles.


MADDOW: We are coming to you live tonight from the campus of Ball
State University in Muncie, Indiana. I was here to do an event earlier
tonight with the great David Letterman. We`ve had a great time. People
have been awesome.

Muncie, Indiana, is located right here. That`s about an hour outside
the capital of Indiana, the city of Indianapolis. If you drive about an
hour north from here and slightly to the west, you will hit a town called
Marion, Indiana.

In the early 1990s, Marion, Indiana, was home to a big manufacturing
plant that was owned by an office supply company called SCM. That plant
made paper products for SCM. About 250 SCM plant workers left their jobs
for the July 4th weekend in 1993, and when they returned after the July 4th
holiday weekend they found a notice at the plant informing them they had
all been fired, on the spot.

SCM had been taken over by another company and they had all lost their
jobs. That American economic tragedy was the basis for a series of what
are some of the most devastating political ads ever run by a Democrat
against a Republican. Those plant workers in Marion, Indiana, were fired
after Mitt Romney`s firm, Bain Capital, helped take over SCM in 1993.

A year later, Mitt Romney decided to challenge Ted Kennedy for his
U.S. Senate seat in Massachusetts.

And here`s how Ted Kennedy ran against Mitt Romney that year.


NARRATOR: Mitt Romney`s ads claim he created jobs. But what`s the
record? Romney`s firm bought a company called SCM, fired all 350 workers.
Told some they could reapply at a 25 percent pay cut. But many who are
pregnant or older were denied jobs. And Mitt Romney made $11 million in two

Mitt Romney, he`s misled us twice, with negative ads distorting
Senator Kennedy`s record and the phony claims about his own.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I worked there 30 years and I never dreamed that
I`d lose my job.

NARRATOR: Mitt Romney says he helped create 10,000 jobs. The former
workers at SCM in Marion, Indiana, stay something else.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If he`s created jobs, I wish he could create some
here. You know, instead of taking them away.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Sunday, we were watching television and saw a
commercial with Mitt Romney in it saying that he was all for health care
benefits and helping the middle class people get their jobs, and I was just
stunned because here we are, he has no job, we have no health care
benefits, and this Mitt Romney is trying to tell people that that`s what
he`s all for and he`s the one responsible for us not having any.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I would like to say to Mitt Romney, if you think
you`d make such a good senator, come out here to Marion, Indiana, and see
what your company has done to these people.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We had no rights anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They cut the wages.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We no longer had insurance.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Basically cut our throats.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`d like to say to the people of Massachusetts
that if you think it can`t happen to you, think again, because we thought
it wouldn`t happen here, either.


MADDOW: Mitt Romney lost that election and he lost badly. After
taking an early lead in that race against Ted Kennedy, Mr. Romney ended up
losing by 17 points.

If Mitt Romney becomes the Republican nominee for president this year,
I think you will probably hear that story from Indiana and others like it
again. As he travels around the country making the argument that he`s
uniquely qualified for the presidency on the basis of his private sector
experience, I think he can expect Democrats to point out Mitt Romney`s
private sector success may have been very good for Mitt Romney but it
really wasn`t all that good for the regular people he threw out of work,
whose Americans jobs he shipped overseas -- real people in real places like
Marion, Indiana.

But, right now, Mitt Romney is not yet the nominee. As he contends
with Newt Gingrich to try to get the Republican nomination, you`re already
seeing a variation of the 1994 Indiana critique of Mr. Romney, except this
time it`s using 21st century language.

This ad just started airing in Iowa from the liberal group, Incidentally, I have to say, I`d be surprised if lefty groups
like start running ads right now against Newt Gingrich because I
think we`re seeing more and more signs all the time that the left really
wants Newt Gingrich to beat Mitt Romney because they really like the idea
of Obama running against Gingrich.

So, we`re not seeing a lot of lefty ads against Newt Gingrich right
now. But this is the anti-Mitt Romney ad that Move On has just released.


NARRATOR: According to the publisher of New Hampshire`s "Union
Leader," which Republican candidate represents the 1 percent?

Hint: He calls himself unemployed, while making plans to quadruple the
size of his $12 million beach house. He thinks corporations are people.
As head of a multimillion dollar firm, he shipped good American jobs
overseas and cut thousands more. He`s Mitt Romney -- or as voters are
starting to call him, Mr. 1 percent.

ANNOUNCER: political action is responsible for the content
of this advertisement.


MADDOW: When you hear that line about cutting thousands of American
jobs, think Marion, Indiana, right? Interestingly, what Move On was
referencing at the top of the ad was a critique of Mitt Romney that came
from the conservative newspaper in New Hampshire called "The Union Leader"
which Andrea Mitchell just mentioned moments ago.

This critique of him as Mr. 1 percent is a critique of Romney coming
not just from the left but from the right.


to have a better time in the general election than Mitt Romney. I think
it`s going to be Obama`s 99 percent versus the 1 percent and Romney sort of
represents the 1 percent.


MADDOW: Now, to be fair, "The Union Leader" has never really liked
Mitt Romney. They basically ate him for lunch when he ran for president in
2008. So, it`s not that weird that "The Union Leader" in New Hampshire
isn`t endorsing Mitt Romney right now.

What`s weird is that their criticism is they don`t like Mitt Romney
because he`s Mr. 1 percent and so they`re supporting Newt Gingrich instead.
That`s amazing in part because Newt Gingrich is also a multimillionaire and
in part because of the hilariously unsavory ways in which Newt Gingrich has
made some of his money. I was a historian for Freddie Mac, but anybody
else who took money off Freddie Mac should go to prison.

But mostly this is an amazing turn of events in the campaign because
the whole translation of the 99 percenters` idea into electoral politics is
supposed to be that if you`re running for office right now, you ought to
have something to offer people who are not being served in this economy.
People who are not making it because of the way our economy is structured,
the way our political system is structured.

Even the Frank Luntz talking points for Republican governors this week
reported by Yahoo! News, these were talking points for how Republicans
ought to talk about Occupy Wall Street and the whole 99 percenters concept.
Even Frank Luntz in his Republican talking points generating machine had
this as advice for Republicans right now. Quote, "The three most important
words you can say to an Occupier are, I get it."

I get it. I get it. So even if you`re not planning to do anything
about the plight of the 99 percent, at least say, I get it. At least try
to make it seem like you care.

Here`s Newt Gingrich`s version of "I get it" when it comes to the


REPORTER: Newt Gingrich has long fancied himself one of the
Republican Party`s biggest new idea guys. His latest big idea, putting
poor .kids to work as janitors in their own schools.

less expensive than unionized janitors. And you`d begin to reestablish the
dignity of work. And in very poor neighborhoods, you have to literally
reestablish the dignity of work.


MADDOW: OK. Now, this should be seen in part as bait. This sort of
thing is usually designed to be deliberately provocative, to make liberals
outraged, right? That`s the way conservative politicians like to make
themselves seem tough in front of conservative audiences.

The conservative strategy of demonizing and dumping on poor people,
attacking them for being lazy and mooching off the system and not
understanding work, that`s been a way for Republican politicians to rally
their conservative base and rile up liberals for a very long time. I mean,
in 1976, when Ronald Reagan was campaigning for the presidency, he went
around the country railing against welfare queens, right? People getting
rich off welfare benefits, driving Cadillacs, living in mansions with
swimming pools because of welfare.

The fact that these welfare queens didn`t seem to exist did not matter
as much as the fact that conservative audiences loved this idea. And
liberals, of course, were enraged by it. That was almost as valuable.
Republicans employed this "eat the poor" strategy for a long time to great
political effect. Newt Gingrich, himself, has been doing this for a very
long time.


REPORTER: In 1994, Gingrich suggested that the government ship
welfare children to orphanages and then even said First Lady Hillary
Clinton ought to rent the classic old movie "Boys Town," with Spencer Tracy
and Mickey Rooney, to see how an orphanage is run.


MADDOW: Newt Gingrich`s suggestion was that the children of welfare
recipients should be taken away from them and shipped to orphanages.

Why do you say something like that in politics? Do you think that`s
an actual policy that you plan on spinning out and implementing across the
country? Or is this just being provocative for political sake?

This is a deliberate strategy. It`s a strategy to bait liberals and
to seem un-P.C. and tough to conservatives. It`s why last month Newt
Gingrich proposed the whole 9-year-olds should be janitors, and it`s why
Gingrich is now doubling down on that idea, that janitors idea in front of
conservative audiences whenever he can.


GINGRICH: We should contemplate very seriously that the poorest
children in the poorest neighborhoods ought to actually have part-time jobs
in the schools they have to go to. And I was promptly attacked: Gingrich
wants to trap the poor as janitors.

Then I was told janitors do really dangerous, hard work. Well, the
master janitor probably ought to do the dangerous, hard work, but I will
tell you personally, I believe the kids could mop the floor and clean out
the bathroom and get paid for it and it would be OK.



MADDOW: Yay, the Republican audience loves it and simultaneously cue
the liberal outrage. We need that, too. Notice how he puts that in there,
light? I was promptly attacked. Badge of honor.

Eat the poor strategy is the same thing that`s behind Newt Gingrich`s
particularly delicate language around the Occupy Wall Street movement
itself, right now.


GINGRICH: All the Occupy movement starts with the premise that we owe
them everything. We need to reassert something as simple as saying to
them: go get a job right after you take a bath.



MADDOW: Take a bath, that`s hysterical. Yay. Cue the liberal

Newt Gingrich and to a certain extent the entire Republican primary
field is operating under an M.O. in which kicking the poor works. This is
so great for Republican audiences. It`s not only an applause line. It`s a
laugh line.

The problem is that they are operating under that strategy at the same
time that even Republican operatives are trying to warn them that this year
in this economy, this is a bad idea. The ads against Mitt Romney featuring
the Indiana workers, those ads worked in 1994. The 99 percent thing didn`t
exist yet as a concept.

How does Mitt Romney, how does Newt Gingrich think those types of ads
are going to play now?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`d like to say to the people of Massachusetts
that if you think it can`t happen to you, think again, because we thought
it wouldn`t happen here, either.



MADDOW: Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown has had kind of a terrible,
horrible, no good, very bad week. First a new poll by the University of
Massachusetts at Amherst shows the incumbent Republican senator polling
four points behind Democrat Elizabeth Warren -- registered voters picking
her over him 43 percent to 39 percent. That is just barely within margin
of error.

So, at best right now, the supposedly very well liked incumbent is in
a statistical dead heat with his likely Democratic challenger who hasn`t
even won a primary yet.

The other thing that made this week a terrible, horrible, no good,
very bad one for the junior senator for Massachusetts was an item in the
"Roll Call" newspaper yesterday on Capitol Hill. Quote, "While shepherding
his teeny, tiny cutesy dogs on to the Senate subway, Senator Scott Brown
had to deliver the following cringe inducing order: `Get on the train,

According to "Roll Call," quote, "After realizing he wasn`t entirely
alone on the platform, Senator Brown buried his face in his hands and
begged those present, "Don`t ruin my appearance."

It turns out Scott Brown has a 14-year-old Shih Tzu named Snuggles.
Here`s Snuggles in a Humane Society pet photo contest. Here`s Snuggles in
a Christmas video. Snuggles the Scott Brown`s Shih Tzu is not exactly a
state secret.

But yesterday, as far as we can tell, was the first time that that
D.C. media has run an entire feature on the fact that Senator Scott Brown`s
dog is a Shih Tzu named Snuggles.

I just like saying it, Senator Scott Brown has a Shih Tzu named
Snuggles and a very rugged pickup truck, and also a Shih Tzu named
Snuggles. Nothing to be embarrassed about, sir. Hope next week is better.


MADDOW: OK. So yes, today`s the day we found out that one of the
next Republican debates is going to be moderated by Donald Trump, for real.
And, yes, this is the day when Jon Huntsman campaign warmed the hearts of
people who despair for a country that would have Donald Trump moderate a
presidential candidates` debate. When they responded to a question about
whether Jon Huntsman would attend said debate. With this statement, and I
quote, "LOL."

So, yes, today was an amazing day in politics. That was before we got
the news that the artist formally known as Herman Cain would make a major
announcement tomorrow now described by sources to NBC News as his
potentially bowing out of the race. Today was the day we were also blessed
by the arrival of the Women for Cain Web site featuring stock photo models
who you are supposed to believe are Women for Cain, even though they can
also be found online as Women for South Africa Sugar, as women for
presents, as women for balloons, and as women for this slightly suspicious
and potentially hand gesture.

And that was all today before even the parody response Men for Cain
Web site came out, which is amazing.

On a day full of politics, this distractingly, wonderfully, both
genius and stupid, there was actually really big giant news for the country
-- big news with big real consequences for country and potentially huge
political consequences for the country. The unemployment rate just fell in
November from 9.0 percent to 8.6 percent. That is a two-year low for the
national unemployment rate. That is great news, right?

It is great news, isn`t it? We should always ask an economist. Let`s
ask Jared Bernstein, the former member on President Obama`s team, former
economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden, who`s now a senior fellow at
the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and MSNBC contributor.

Jared, thanks for helping us out tonight. Appreciate your time.

JARED BERNSTEIN, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: My pleasure. Thanks for inviting
me on.

MADDOW: I know enough to know the unemployment rate dropping can seem
like a good thing, while disguising some other things that are not good
things. Is that the case here? Is this a mixed message or is there reason
to be cheerful?

BERNSTEIN: Well, I hate to be the dower economist who has to come in
and rain on everybody`s garden party here.

It`s mixed, though. About half of that decline from 9 percent down to
8.6 percent is artificial -- in the sense that it only came about because
over 300,000 people actually left the labor market in November, Rachel.
And you`re only counted as unemployed if you`re actively looking for work.
If you give up, you come out of that system. So you`re not counted.

So, about two-tenths of the four-tenth decline was real. We did add
jobs, a slow pace, but increases at least in the private sector. But the
unemployment rate didn`t really come down as much as it seemed.

MADDOW: In the private sector as you`re saying, we did some jobs,
140,000 private sector jobs added last month. As far as I understand it,
1.7 million private sector jobs added this year which is a half a million
ahead of the private sector jobs that we added last year.

Is the overall trend line heading in the right direction? Or do you
see it as essentially flat? Do you think we are recovering?

BERNSTEIN: I think it`s heading in the right direction, but it`s
heading there way too slowly. Are we recovering? Well, sure, in the sense
we`re not sliding backwards. As I said, we`re moving ahead and your job
numbers are absolutely correct, if you focus exclusively on the private

Now, public sector, and let`s be very clear, we`re talking about
policemen and women, we`re talking about firefighters, schoolteachers,
sanitation workers. These workers are important in their communities and
states have to balance their budgets. They can`t run budget deficits and
they`ve been shedding employment just about every month we`ve been adding
those private sector jobs -- 20,000 down last month. So that part isn`t --
that part`s not moving toward recovery.

But broadly speaking, yes, moving toward recovery, but much too

MADDOW: In terms of what could be done, what is within reach of
government, both economically and politically, what is politically doable -
- obviously, the payroll tax extension is under way. It looks like
Republicans are maybe softening in their opposition to that, although it is
still not done. Unemployment extension is coming up.

And those public sector jobs that you`re talking about, what are the
things that you think are feasible, politically and economically, that
might make a dent from here on out?

BERNSTEIN: Well, you mentioned the payroll tax and the U.I. Let me
say something that`s been somewhat underappreciated in the past few days of
reporting on these. Of course, they`re critically important and I support
them 100 percent. But remember, they`re already in the 2011 economy. What
we`re arguing about is whether they should expire and go away, and I think
if you`re concerned about the economy and wellbeing of the unemployed and
the middle class, you definitely don`t want them to go away.

But all that does is keep year foot where it is on the accelerator
because it`s already in the system. There`s no fiscal impulse, no new
added push.

So, we really need to go above and beyond those extensions, but, of
course, given those folks behind me in the kind of dithering that you`re
seeing around just the extensions, doing more is a heck of a lot to ask
more right now.

It shouldn`t be. The obvious solution -- take the public sector. I
mean, there`s a lot we could do to preserve jobs in the public sector and
get those monthly numbers up in both sides of the economy. That`s a tough
political lift right now, Rachel.

MADDOW: Jared Bernstein, former member of President Obama`s economic
team, former economic adviser to Vice President Biden, now at the Center on
Budget and Policy Priorities and MSNBC contributor -- we`re going to have
to come up with some sort of like, URL shortener for your title and
sometime soon, Jared.

But in the meantime --

BERNSTEIN: Good point.

MADDOW: -- I`m always thankful you`re here. Thanks a lot, man.

BERNSTEIN: Thank you, Rachel.

MADDOW: All right. On this show when we make a mistake, we do our
best to correct it. Just ahead, a heartfelt department of corrections.
For the first time ever, we have to devote the entire department of
corrections experience to amphibians, from frogs to newts.

Please stay tuned.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is Main Street. Wall Street can take care
of itself. Main Street needs everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they came and offered their help, what did
you think?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought, hey, it sounds like a crazy
harebrained scheme, let`s try with, what the heck? I don`t have anything
more to lose.


MADDOW: That crazy harebrained scheme is kind of an amazing one, and
it is spreading across the country. Details on that next.


MADDOW: When police tracked dragged a family`s belongings into the
street, quote, "Some of us would kick ash cans and create a general ruckus;
this would divert the marshal and others would help the families put the
furniture back up. It was a war of attrition."

Another quote, "We formed a squad. Someone could come in and say
someone was put on the street so we`d call this one, that one, say, how
would you like to help the people? We did that, boys, girls, elderly men,
whoever, we called somebody and said, hey, let`s put the furniture back

We talk about the Great Depression, not our own great recession, but
the Great Depression of our grandparents and our great-grandparents today.
We tend to talk about hobos and Hoovervilles, people kicked out of their
ordinary lives and roaming the countrywide looking for work, lining up at
soup kitchens or setting up camp in shacks made out of spare wood or cast
off tin they could find. In towns, they called Hooverville after President
Herbert Hoover and it was not a compliment.

But Americans who lived through the Great Depression did not
necessarily move out of their houses or apartments quietly just because the
landlord showed up and said they had to go. Some of them, a lot of them in
turns out stood their grounds with help from their neighbors.

The Americans of the Great Depression organized what became known as
eviction defense. Like the people putting the furniture back in I just
quoted a moment ago from Brooklyn.

Sometimes eviction resistance turned into eviction riots. They rioted
in Chicago in August 1931. At least three protesters were killed there
after 60,000 people marched against evictions. They rioted in the Bronx in
1932 after families went on rent strike over prices they could no longer
afford. They rioted in Cleveland after a bank foreclosed on John and
Sophie Sperenga (ph) and the county sheriff kicked them out with their four

In Cleveland, the local small home and landowners federation spread
the alarm up and down the neighborhood streets. Thousands of people showed
up, thousands of people, to defend the Sperega family. Quote, "As police
arrived, they were greeted by taunts and jeers and rocks, bricks, sticks
and even kitchen utensils. The officers responded with night sticks, tear
gas and firehoses."

Reporter James Steele filed this account in "The Nation" in 1933.
Quote, "This is a crowd that won`t scatter, a crowd that`s strangely grim
and determined."

They were determined to defend the family in 1933, the depth of the
Great Depression. Now, Cleveland, defending families again in Cleveland in
2011. Not by throwing bricks and sticks and soup ladles but doing this.
They`re pitching tents in the yards of a single mother with two kids and
the sheriff on the way.

If you`re coming for her, you`re coming for us. That`s been the
message from occupy Cleveland.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They have been wonderful, actually. Keeping me
company in the last, since last night when they started piling in helping
me get the place cleaned up a little more and organized so I can pack.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A lot of the people you probably heard on the news
have sort of been asking what the Occupy, whatever city you want to put in,
they don`t really know what they stand for. Has this told you -- how has
this told you more about they said?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They stay stand up for the little guy.
Definitely. This is Main Street. Wall Street can take care of itself.
Main Street needs everybody.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When they came and offered their help, what did
you think?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I thought, hey, it sounds like a crazy
harebrained scheme, let`s try it, what the heck? I don`t have anything
more to lose.


MADDOW: Occupy Elizabeth Summers` backyard in Cleveland seems to have
had an effect. She got a 30-day stay on her eviction, enough time to make
out a deal with her bank or plan B, enough time that she and her kids
didn`t have to see their stuff hauled out into the street. Main Street
turned out for her.

Just months into the great recession, this nation bailed out the banks
and all come free, no rules financial sector had turned people`s houses or
mortgages into casino chips which Wall Street made a ton of money trading
amongst themselves before the whole thing blew up. Wall Street blew up,
which blew up the whole economy. Millions of Americans were left without
jobs and with this con artist mortgages that they couldn`t pay.

The banks, they got bailed out but the people did not. If you`re
broke, just ask Elizabeth Summer -- if you`re broke, there is very little
help. In October alone, there are hundreds of thousands of foreclosures in
the country. The banks seizing people`s homes and throwing them into the

This conflagration in the economy started in 2008. But the
foreclosure rate in this country is still rising. Technically, the great
recession may not even be a recession anymore. But families are still
having their possessions dragged to the curb. Good luck and right this way
to the homeless shelter.

Is that kind of treatment worth defending against, worth coming to the
defense of your neighborhoods now in 2011 just as people thought it was in
1931, in 1932, and 1933 and on and on? That`s becoming a question now
among the evolving 99 percent movement around the country.

Ask a family in Atlanta, where the Occupy Atlanta protesters
intervened. In an eviction last month, Occupy Atlanta got kicked out of
its downtown encampment so they decided instead they`d move to try to save
a police officer`s home.

Ask a family in Rochester, New York, which almost lost their home to a
foreclosure mill, to the foreclosure mile incidentally where the employees
dressed up as families being kicked out of their homes as their costumes
for the company Halloween party last year. The firm was trying to move in
on a Rochester family to kick them out of their home before a group of
experience eviction defenders and new occupiers showed up to help them hold
their ground.

Ask the families in Minneapolis where occupiers have shown up with a
bull horn and tents and taken direct action.


leap and said it`s time for us to mobilize actions off of the plaza and
really enter Main Street in really a dramatic way. And so this is the
first time that they`ve said, you know, let`s address real problems that
real people are dealing with and see if we can help be a part of the


MADDOW: As fall set in, protesters from Occupy Wall Street around the
country, particularly around the colder parts of the country, the 99
percenters wondered if they could make it through the winter with maybe
huts or cold weather survival gear. They wondered where they would go and
how they would continue to occupy. Police departments keep driving them
away from public squares.

Did occupying, showing up and staying put in a public space, was that
fundamental to the ongoing effectiveness of the movement? And if it is
fundamental, then how would they be able to keep occupying and where?

It turns out maybe that the next incarnation of occupy was already
taking hold with the foreclosed defenses in Atlanta and Cleveland and
Minneapolis and Rochester. Justin Elliot (ph) reporting at this
week that a new campaign Occupy our Homes kicks off on Tuesday with
protesters in 20 cities. The 99 percenters say they will show up at
foreclosure auctions and at homes that are at risk of foreclosure, folks
who have not been part of an eviction peacefully will get a chance to see
how it`s done. They will learn from people who have already done it and
then teach other people to do it, too.

They are asking people to sign a pledge that says, quote, "I will
resist any attempt by the bank to take my home. If they come to foreclose,
I will not go."

This Occupy Wall Street movement is now truly a movement to occupy
everywhere. It is not going away. Necessity is the mother of invention
and the coming of winter and the crackdowns from the police around the
country have forced this movement into a new evolution. As Scott Olsen,
the marine who had a skull fracture at Occupy Oakland said on this show
last night, the movement is evolving. The movement is adapting and that`s
a good thing.

If the reports we track every day from the movement itself and local
press reports are any indication, this movement is spreading, too,
geographically spreading, in occupations small and fluid and seemingly too
adaptable and too numerous for anyone to shout down altogether.

As of this upcoming week, there appears to be a concerted effort to
move it into the neighborhoods where you can see it, where a crisis really
lives still. We spend a lot of the time on the show covering politics of
the electoral variety. This is politics, too. This is the real deal.


MADDOW: OK. A couple of corrections we need to make.

Earlier this week in reporting on the seemingly complicated but quite
simple network of Newt Gingrich-related money-making schemes, I noted one
of the reasons that Newt Incorporated it`s simpler than it looks is
basically all of Newt Incorporated is headquartered in this one building in
D.C. Gingrich Communications, the Gingrich Group, Gingrich Productions,
the Gingrich Foundation, Gingrich Holdings -- all of Newt Inc. is located
in this one building at 1425 K Street Northwest in Washington, D.C.

Now, one portion of the Gingrich empire I said was based there was
something called American Solutions for Winning the Future. That`s the
Newt Gingrich founded deal that you may remember us reporting on the last
couple of years, it`s the one where they spam fax you that Newt Gingrich
wants to give you a prestigious award and you call to follow-up about what
you have to do to collect the award, and it turns it you have to send them
$5,000. That`s the one.

After I talked about that, when we were highlighted they had a shared
address the other day, I played the cash register sound effect but I should
have played the sad trombone sound. We actually had it.

It turns out that American Solutions for Winning the Future has not
won. It has lost. American Solutions for Winning the Future is still sort
of located in that one Washington building with all of the other present
and former Gingrich money-making schemes, like I said.

But after we aired our piece about Newt Incorporated headquarters,
after we aired that, we learned from "Bloomberg Businessweek" that although
the American Solutions for Winning the Future group still has some of their
belongings in that office space on K Street in Washington, they have
apparently stopped paying their rent. In fact, they are $20,000 in debt to
their landlord.

Sometime in the last few months they decided to ditch the rent checks,
they skipped out on the office space and they never handed over the keys.
At the American Solutions suite the glass doors are locked, a few chairs,
printer and supplies are still scattered inside around the reception area.

Quote, "No one has turned over the keys to the office where they are
not paying rent anymore." Quote, "No one representing American Solutions
appeared at an October 6th court hearing about them skipping out on their

And the person listed as the comptroller for the Gingrich founded
group said on the phone she had no idea who was responsible for managing
the group`s affairs.

And yesterday, another pitiful detail about the saga, the "Washington
Post" reporting that a superior court judge authorized the U.S. Marshals to
remove this group`s remaining belongings and put them out on the sidewalk.
Now, don`t be too sad. They are already gone but all of their stuff they
left behind out on the street.

I don`t think that K Street is going to stand for that stuff being
there that long, but -- all of that to say I was wrong when I said the Newt
Gingrich founded group American Solutions for Winning the Future was
located at that K Street building with the rest of Newt Gingrich schemes.
Apparently, they fled the place but they left with the rent money and they
left their furniture behind and soon it will be on the sidewalk courtesy of
the U.S. Marshals.

From what we know of how this Gingrich-founded group worked to scam
people out of their money, though, I`m going to bet that there`s going to
be a top of the line blast fax machine on the sidewalk if you are in the
neighborhood the next few days. Drop in 1425 K Street.

Our second correction is not about Newt but about a frog.
Specifically an ongoing international quest to find frogs, toads and
salamanders that have been declared missing, species that have not been
seen by scientists in years, species that are feared to be extinct. See if
you can spot the error in what I said about the search for lost fogs.


MADDOW: There is an international amphibian hunt going on for more
species feared extent. So, if you happen to run across a gastric brooding
frog, and seriously there`s a reason it has that name, or a real Pescado
Stubfoot Toad, or a Mesapotamian Beaked Toad, please call a park ranger and
then call us.


MADDOW: My mistake in this case is good news. One of those toads
that I said was still missing has been found. It is this guy, the real
Pescado Stubfoot Toad. It had been missing in actin since 1995.

It was feared extinct due to a killer fungus but then it turns out, a
real Pescado Stubfoot Toad was found. It was found in Ecuador last fall.
So, I should not have put it on the still missing list.

In fact, since the search for lost frogs began last year, three of
their top 10 missing species have been found which is awesome.

But, of course, there are still some missing amphibians and, again, if
you do find one, do please call us. But definitely call somebody more
qualified than a cable news show first because we don`t always know.

And I should note this is our first ever all amphibian related
department of corrections -- thanks to Mr. Gingrich.

All right. That does it for us.

I would say a huge thank you to David Letterman, and to Jo Ann Gora,
the president here at Ball State and to everybody who helped us out in our
great visit out here today.

We had a really good time. We were really taking care of, really
appreciate the hospitality of Muncie, Indiana. I understand why they call
you funsies (ph).

Have a great weekend, everybody. Why not kick off your weekend with
some time in prison?


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