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PoliticsNation, Friday, June 22, 2012

Read the transcript from the Friday show

Guests: Bob Franken; E.J. Dionne, Alicia Menendez, Rod Smith, Teri Morse, Lisa Bloom

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Welcome to "Politics Nation." I`m
Al Sharpton.

Tonight`s lead, Romney the job destroyer. A new report on Romney`s
past as CEO of Bain Capital reveals explosive details on his career
shipping American jobs overseas. It leaves no doubt that Romney`s fortune
was built at the expense of American workers.

Quote, "during the nearly 15 years that Romney was actively involved
in running Bain Capital, it owned companies that were pioneers in the
practice of shipping work from the United States to overseas call centers
and factories making computer components.

The jobs went from the U.S. to all over the world. Jobs shipped to
China, to India, to Taiwan, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, South Korea,
Ireland, and France. Make no mistake; this report could be a game changer.
Because Romney is running on his business record. He claims experience in
the private sector qualifies him for the White House. And he`s had the
audacity to hit President Obama for jobs outsourced.


in taking our jobs? This president has just sat idly by and watched that
happen. He complains. He says he would take them to the mat. But they`ve
walked all over him.

If I`m president of the United States, that is going to end.

We will not let China continue to steal jobs from the United States.

Chinese are smiling all the way to the bank taking our currency and
taking our jobs and taking a lot of our future. And I`m not willing to let
that happen.


SHARPTON: Not willing to let that happen, but the fact is he did.
And on the same day of this new report coming out, Romney`s campaign comes
out with a brand new ad in swing states like Ohio. Once again making the
claim that he`ll bring back jobs from overseas.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: President Romney`s first 100 days, what will they
mean for Ohio? Day one, President Romney stands up to China. Demands a
level playing field for our businesses and workers.


SHARPTON: It doesn`t get more blatant than this. Romney says he
cares about American jobs. That it`s his priority for him. But he spent
years making his fortune destroying American jobs.

President Obama`s going on the offense in a big way. Here was his
response at a campaign event in Florida earlier today.


reported in "the Washington Post" that the companies his firmed owned were
pioneers in the outsourcing of American jobs to places like China and
India. Pioneers.

Let me tell you, Tampa, we do not need an outsourcing pioneer in the
oval office. We need a president who will fight for American job and fight
for American manufacturing. That`s what my plan will do. That`s why I`m
running for a second term as president of the United States.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is Jared Bernstein, MSNBC contributor and
former chief economist for vice president Joe Biden. And E.J. Dionne,
Washington Post columnist and author. His new book is "Our Divided
Political Heart."

Thanks to both of you for joining me.



SHARPTON: E.J., let me start with you. How important is this new
report to the Romney campaign? Is this as game changing as I`m suspecting?

DIONNE: I`m always reluctant to declare anything game changing.
Because something comes along tomorrow and changing it again. But I think
this is a big deal. It`s a big deal for the reason you said which is if
you`re going to make your business experience the center piece of your
campaign, then what you did with that business is important. And the fact
that he is running those ads on the one hand but then presided over a lot
of outsourcing on the other raises real issues.

Second, a lot of the votes and play in this election in places like
Ohio are blue collar votes from people who are very concerned about
outsourcing. Romney`s rhetoric about the Chinese currency problem is aimed
directly at those people. I think a lot of those voters are going to look
at this and not know what to make of it except to say maybe he isn`t on our

And I think you heard today a term coined by President Obama off that
Washington Post story, outsourcing pioneer that we`re going to be hearing
between now and Election Day.

SHARPTON: And for the president, himself, to use it, you can bet his
re-election campaign is going to use it. And this story is definitely not
going to go away if the Obama campaign has anything to do with it from the
looks of the president addressing it today.

DIONNE: And I think the interesting question -- you use the term game
change. It`s been not the greatest couple of weeks for the president
especially with the recent jobs report. It`ll be interesting if this gives
a kind of opportunity for Obama to go on the defensive and whether it will
throw Mitt Romney on defense. I think the way -- and it`s also going into
a weekend.


DIONNE: And the president when he said the comment about the private
sector doing fine, of course he was talking about it relative to the
government sector that played this weekend. I think this is one of the
stories that is also going to place in the course of the weekend.

SHARPTON: Well, Jared, let me say this. The Romney campaign
responded. Let me give you their quote. They are saying, quote, "this is
a fundamentally flawed story that does not differentiate between domestic
outsourcing versus off shoring nor versus work done overseas to support
U.S. exports."

In English, could you tell me does that mean they were outsourcing or

BERNSTEIN: Let me come up there and try to untangle that sentence
from around your throat there.

Look. You hear Mitt Romney on the television saying China`s been
taking our jobs. Turns out he`s been giving them to them. And so, I agree
that this is tough for him.

Now, here`s the thing. And you kind of referenced this in your
introduction. This is the way private equity works. We should all
understand this. Their bottom line is profitability. And if it`s
profitable to outsource and offshore jobs and that distinction you just
made was pretty nonsense to collate with the campaign make. If it is
profitable outsource jobs, outsourced factories to build it in China
instead of here, believe me, that`s what they`re going to do. That`s
private equity.

And you know what? That`s a legitimate business model. We may not
like it but it`s a legitimate business model. It is not a legitimate
political model for a president especially a president in a moment where
we`ve actually added about half a million manufacturing jobs since
employment started growing in the spring of 2010. There`s a bit of a
positive trend there. It`s an important one.

So, what you really want to hear is not I was in the private sector.
I did private equity. I outsourced a bunch of jobs. You want to hear
what`s the plan for manufacturing. The president has one. Governor Romney
explicitly does not.

SHARPTON: But isn`t that really the point, E.J.? The point is that
Governor Romney himself raised his tenure at Bain and said it would
establish me as a job creator. I think the American public is mature
enough that they really only expect of you what you tell them to expect of

Well, he brought it up. So the reason I think it becomes so effective
is because this is where you brought us, you talked about jobs going to
China and going overseas. And now we find out you engaged in that. I
think that is why if it had not been something he brought up, it may not
have the same impact.

DIONNE: No, I think that`s totally right. At the beginning of the
campaign especially, he was bragging about his time at Bain. He said he
produced a certain number of American jobs while he was at Bain. And then
that number changed a bit and he tended to back off. And he, you know,
hard number altogether.

So, if you are going to look at the plus side of his ledger, he did
create some jobs in some companies. Then, you`re going to look at the
minus side of the ledger. And so, you can`t sort of ask the American voter
just to look over here, don`t look at what`s behind the curtain.

I think the other thing is you can tell this is problematic because
you had to turn to Jared to translate that press release. And if there is
an easy answer to say this is all wrong, you don`t have to sort of make
these strange distinctions between outsourcing and off shoring.

SHARPTON: You have given me the answers.

But Jared, the other reason that I think this is going to be a problem
for them is the president himself went right at it. The president himself
by name quoting the newspaper in the article went at it.

And I think you`re right. There`s nothing wrong with dealing with
those that are in the equity business. There`s nothing wrong with big
business. But the question is what do you bring out of that to the
political -- let me show you what the president said that I think was a
very, very critical point. And this is where the president said that yes,
he did good, but did he bring the right lessons out of there into being
president. Watch this.


OBAMA: And my partner in this election, Governor Romney, is a
patriotic American. He should be proud of the personal success he achieved
as the head of a large financial firm. But I think he`s -- he has drawn --
he`s drawn the wrong lessons from these experiences.


SHARPTON: Drawn the wrong lessons from these experiences, Jared. I
think that is something that might resonate particularly now with the
information going public.

BERNSTEIN: Well, I think that`s right. And you know, one of the jobs
of people like me is to try to get a little bit into the weeds and look at
the actual policies that these guys are proposing underneath the level of
campaign rhetoric.

And here as I mentioned earlier, the president really does have a
manufacturing agenda. It`s a clean energy agenda. It`s an agenda to dis-
incentivize factories from going abroad. He has tax changes he`d like to
do to take back some of the actual tax benefits for factories to go abroad
and to make it more profitable for them to be set up here.

And then when you look at Mitt Romney, his plan, I read the 59 points.
I mean, not only is there no plan for manufacturing, but they really quite
explicitly say no. You know, that`s a free market thing. We`re not going
to do anything there.

The one thing they do say, and I want to give them credit for that is
they are going after China currency. Something the White House agrees with
them on.

So, I think you have to really look at what`s behind the rhetoric and
there you see a very much a lazy fair trickle down supply side. Let`s kind
a let it break. That`s the lessons the president is talking about that
governor Romney has learned from his business experience.

SHARPTON: E.J., let me close with you. Not long ago Romney was
attacking the president saying he`s attacking capitalism. Take a listen.


ROMNEY: There`s no question but that he`s attacking capitalism. In
part, I think, because he doesn`t understand how the free economy works.
If all the president wants to do is talk about the failures while he`s
misrepresenting the nature of free enterprise.


SHARPTON: Misrepresenting the nature of free enterprise. Well, we`ve
got you now investigating companies that outsource jobs. Are we
misrepresenting that?

DIONNE: Well, first of all, if President Obama hates capitalism, how
do you explain the fact he`s presided over a roughly, a doubling of the Dow
Jones average since the trough back in 2009?

Secondly, I always like the joke. I actually know some socialists and
they`re insulted when Barack Obama is called a socialist. Because he`s
obviously committed to capitalism.

What we`re talking about is what kind of capitalism do we want in
America? We want the kind that saddles companies with big debts and then
pushes them out of business. Do we want the incentives in tax code, as
Jared mentioned, to encourage job creation here or to encourage the
operation overseas? They`re both capitalists. But there are different
kinds of capitalism. And that`s what we`re arguing about in the election.

SHARPTON: Well, I have a diverse duo I started with tonight. You
know socialists and Jared read all 59 points of Mitt Romney. Quite an end
of the week.

Jared Bernstein and E.J. Dionne. Thanks for your time tonight. Both
of you have a great weekend and good luck on the book, E.J.

DIONNE: Thank you so much.

SHARPTON: Ahead, President Obama brings his message of fairness to
the key state of Florida.


OBAMA: Let me see a show of hands. Is there anyone here who can
afford to pay thousands of dollars to give people like me and Mr. Romney
another tax cut? Come on. Raise your hand. Don`t be shy.


SHARPTON: Plus, the president started his day speaking to the same
Latino leaders Romney talked to yesterday. Only this time the policy was

And more on that despicable viral video of teenage kids bullying and
taunting a 68-year-old bus monitor.



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE STUDENT: You`re so fat. You take up, like, the
whole entire seat.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE STUDENT: Oh, my God. Your glasses are foggy from
your sweat you fat (bleep).


SHARPTON: We`ll talk about what we can all learn from this.

You`re watching "Politics Nation" only on MSNBC.


SHARPTON: President Obama going after Mitt Romney on jobs and the
economy. That`s next.



OBAMA: They believe that we should go back to the top-down economics
of the last decade. They figure that if we simply elimination regulations
and cut taxes by trillions of dollars, then the market will solve all of
our problems.

We don`t need more top-down economics. What we need is some middle
class-out economics. Some bottom-up economics.

I have an economic plan base odd then shared vision that always worked
for America`s middle class and all those striving to get there. A plan
focused on education and energy and innovation and infrastructure and a tax
code that is fair and responsible. That`s how we`re going to build this
country. That`s why I`m running for president of the United States.


SHARPTON: President Obama in Tampa, Florida, today presenting his
case for a bottom-up economics to help the middle class. The president
laid out the contrast between his policies and the Republican agenda
particularly when it comes to cutting taxes for the wealthy.


OBAMA: To pay for another $250,000 tax cut for the average
millionaire, they want you to foot the bill. Let me see a show of hands.
Is there anybody here who can afford to pay thousands of dollars to give
people like me and Mr. Romney another tax cut?

Come on. Go ahead and raise your hand. Don`t be shy.

Now, look. That`s their entire economic plan. That`s it. When Mr.
Romney tells us he`s some sort of financial wizard who can fix our economy,
that`s how he intends to do it. And Bill Clinton has pointed out that this
Republican agenda, it`s nothing new. It`s nothing more than the same thing
we tried during the last administration except on steroids.


SHARPTON: And what is Mitt Romney doing while the president is
talking about fairness and the middle class and the middle class jobs? He
just arrived at an exclusive resort in Park City, Utah, for a three-day
summit with ultra-rich donors. Supporters who have given Romney more than
$100,000 a piece will be able to attend Q & A sessions with the candidate,
participate in strategy and policy meetings, hobnob at dinner with and
afternoon tea. They`ll probably have in those quiet rooms. And of course,
they`ll be able to play golf. Lots, lots, lots of golf.

Joining me now is Melissa Harris-Perry, host of "Melissa Harris-Perry"
right here on MSNBC. And Bob Franken, King`s featured Syndicated

Thank you both, for joining me.



HARRIS-PERRY: And don`t hate on golf. Every golf is fun.

FRANKEN: That`s right.

SHARPTON: Out there playing golf while we`re here in steamy


SHARPTON: Melissa, let me ask you. How do you assess the president`s
economic argument against Romney`s? I mean, in terms of do you feel it`s

HARRIS-PERRY: I think he`s done exactly here what needs to be done
which is to say there is no there, there. There`s no actual economic plan
from the Romney camp. The economic plan is solely a plan about cutting

Now. You know, there can be ideological disagreements about how we
stimulate the economy, about, you know, sort of what creates more jobs,
that kind of thing.

But what is important here is for the president to keep pointing out
here is my multi-point agenda. Here are the things I believe can work to
create a safety net to generate jobs. To give tax relief to the middle
class. And all that Governor Romney is offering at this point are more tax

SHARPTON: And as he does this, Bob, we`re told by a report in
Bloomberg that he`s actually -- he being Romney, he`s actually asking
Republican governors to down play the fact that unemployment is going down
in their states.

Several governors including the governor of Florida are saying that
unemployment is going down. Jobs are coming in the state. They`re touting
it for their own records and their own political reasons, but that goes
contrary to what Romney`s trying to say is that we are on the brink and
that President Obama hasn`t done anything.

FRANKEN: Well, that`s right. Then the governors are going off
message. But, does that meeting going on in Park City, Utah, is really
important when it comes to undermining pretty much the obvious message that
the president has right now. Because they are able to pay whatever amount
of money is need to put out messages that distort things, that use terms
like class warfare, like socialism, distorting the meaning of free
enterprise. That type of thing.

So the message that might be an obvious one, that is to say that the
middle class has been shafted, that is going to be lost in all this noise
that confuses people.

SHARPTON: Now, when you look at the fact that the American public,
Melissa, seems to really prefer the president over Mitt Romney in very
critical areas.

When you look at the polls, connects with ordinary Americans 59
President Obama, 28 for Romney. Honesty, 46 percent President Obama, 32
percent Romney. Judgment, 50 percent Obama, 37 percent Romney.
Consistency 46 percent Obama, 34 percent Romney.

So, when it comes to characteristics that are important on how someone
shapes their view of a person, in very critical areas the president is
overwhelmingly supported by the American people.

HARRIS-PERRY: I think that distinction, your guess just true is the
important one which is, as you`ve pointed out looking at those poll data,
the American people, they clearly have a great deal of respect for
President Obama as a person. As a leader, I think there`s a huge base for
him there. Sort of a position of strength to build on for re-election
campaign despite the fact we`re in an economically difficult time, although
in improving time.

But, the counter is whether or not could the power of the people, of
ordinary people and their opinions and their vote will be overwhelmed by
the massive amount of money that we`re seeing come into this election
especially by citizens united.

SHARPTON: Bob, go ahead.

FRANKEN: Well, and Melissa. I think this is going to be a campaign,
quite frankly, that`s about demonization. I think that there`s going to be
this tremendous effort to erode President Obama`s favorability ratings
right now. I think that there`s going to be this constant harangue about
being anti-free market, that type of thing. And there`s going to be this
effort to kind of camouflage the fact that Mitt Romney has a different tune
every day, every decade.

SHARPTON: Yes. And I also think that they`re going to try and attack
cabinet members and anything that would try to make them look different,
un-American, anti-American.

FRANKEN: You mean like a certain attorney general?

SHARPTON: As far as I know, there`s only one.

FRANKEN: I hate to be the one to bring this up, who happens to be a
man of color.

SHARPTON: Yes. You brought it up.

HARRIS-PERRY: I didn`t say it.

SHARPTON: But we didn`t disagree.

And again, I don`t even know -- let me be clear. I`m not even saying
the congressmen are doing it because he`s black, but I think they send the
signals. I think there`s a lot of people playing the race signals here to
get to a certain crazy base that they may not first to be feel that way,
but they know what they`re playing to.

FRANKEN: Let me take this out of the Roman. In my perception of it
just being a matter of black and white. I think it`s a matter of trying to
appeal to a base and rev up a base by this whole constant harangue of he`s
not one of us. And it manifests itself in a number of different ways. And
I think that is part of what`s going on with Eric Holder.

I think, by the way, I think there`s some valid questions about
Holder`s conduct.

SHARPTON: No doubt about it.

FRANKEN: But the point is --

SHARPTON: But I think it should be raised on Mukasey and everyone
else -- Melissa.

HARRIS-PERRY: Yes. I was going to say, and I think Bob pointed about
this sort that he`s not like us, is a way of undermining exactly that poll
data that you just showed, Reverend, where if in fact ordinary Americans
are feeling like OK, President Obama is actually someone who came from an
ordinary working family, worked his way up, you know has a sense of
accomplishment. You know, he didn`t pay off his student loans until really
just moments before taking a seat in the U.S. Senate because he understands
what that kind of ordinary financial struggle looks like for households.

But if you could undermine that by suggesting that racial difference
or ethnic difference is somehow the thing that separates us, it keeps
people from voting in their own economic interests.

SHARPTON: All right, Melissa. I`m going to have to leave it there.

Melissa and Bob. Thank you both for your time tonight.

Be sure to catch Melissa Harris-Perry weekends from 10:00 a.m. to

Ahead, the latest edition of "here are the jobs." That`s the series
that we put real Americans back to work.

And what a difference a day makes. It was President Obama`s turn to
talk to Latino leaders, and he had a strong message for Republicans. Stay
with us.


SHARPTON: Folks, have you checked us out on Facebook? The
conversation is going all day long. Dottie watched our live feed of the
President`s speech at the NALEO conference today and noticed one key
difference between his and Romney`s speeches. Quote, "if you want to know
who is making a bigger, more positive impression, all you have to do is
count the applause moments." End of quote. Larry weighed in on the news
of Romney`s Bain Capital investments in companies that move jobs overseas.
Quote, "Profits before patriotism. And he claims that love America." We
want to hear what you think too. Head over to Facebook and search POLITICS
NATION and like us to join the conversation that keeps going long after the
show ends. We hope to see you there.


SHARPTON: Welcome back to POLITICS NATION. Just one week after his
major immigration announcement, President Obama delivered a passionate
speech to Latino leaders. He hailed the new policy to stop deporting
qualified young immigrants. He promised to push for even more reform. And
he slammed Republicans for consistently putting politics ahead of what`s


PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: On Friday, we announced that
we`re lifting the shadow of deportation from deserving young people who
were brought to this country as children. We should have passed the Dream
Act a long time ago, it was written by members of both parties. When it
came up for a vote, a year and a half ago, Republicans in Congress blocked
it. The bill hadn`t changed. The need hadn`t changed. The only thing
that it changed was politics. And I refused to keep looking young people
in the eye, deserving young people in the eye and tell them tough luck.
The politics is too hard.


SHARPTON: He didn`t say the politics are too hard. He did what he
felt was right. Because of his core convictions and today President Obama
reminded voters that. Mitt Romney has a very different set of convictions.


OBAMA: Your speaker from yesterday has a different view. In a
speech, he said that when he makes a promise to you, he`ll keep it. Well
he has promised to veto the Dream Act. And we should take him at his word.
I`m just saying.


I`m just saying.


SHARPTON: That`s what Mitt Romney has promised. And this President,
he knows that`s not right.


OBAMA: I`ve met these young people all across the country. They`re
studying in our schools, they`re playing with our children, pledging
allegiance to our flag, hoping to serve our country. They are Americans in
their hearts, in their minds they are Americans through and through. In
every single way but on paper. And all they want is to go to college and
give back to the country they love. So lifting the shadow of deportation
and giving them a reason to hope, that was the right thing to do. It was
the right thing to do.



SHARPTON: Joining me now is Alicia Menendez of HuffPost Live and Rod
Smith, the chair of the Florida Democratic Party. Thanks to you both for
being here tonight.


SHARPTON: Let me start with you, Alicia. How important in your
opinion was the President`s decision in building this enthusiasm with the
Latino base?

ALICIA MENENDEZ, HOST, "HUFFPOST LIVE": It was absolutely critical.
And you`re right. This isn`t definitely good politics. But it`s also good
policy. There are about a million young people who are going to benefit
enormously from the President`s decision. But yes, it`s also good
politics. You see a major surge in enthusiasm among Latino voters.
Especially in the states where it matters most. And most importantly, it
really clarifies the distinction. If it needed any clarifying between Mitt
Romney and Barack Obama. Mitt Romney says, he would veto the Dream Act.
Barack Obama is effectively enacting the Dream Act through this prioritized

SHARPTON: Now, talking about the politics for a minute where Alicia
started, Chairman Smith. Let me ask you some political stuff. In Florida,
the President`s leading Romney by 16 points. Virginia 31 points.
Southwest, let`s go to southwest. Colorado 48 points. Nevada 49 points.
Arizona 56 points. This is all among Latinos. How critical is that to the
politics of today given the growing population? Because if you look, Mr.
Chairman, at the fact that we`ve seen an increase in the Hispanic
population. For example, in North Carolina, the population of Hispanics
has gone up 111 percent. In Iowa, 84 percent. Pennsylvania up 83 percent.
The demographics of voters are changing.

SMITH: Well, Reverend. You`re absolutely right. And in Florida,
it`s going to be the decisive vote, I believe. As I assume the
chairmanship of the party, first thing we did is we start our outreach to
the Hispanic community particularly in Central Florida where many people
don`t realize that the margin of the last election is largely explained by
the Hispanic turnout in Central Florida. And I have to tell you that we
are excited about the President`s efforts in recent days. And he has
really increased his stock here and everywhere else among Hispanic voters.
He was already ahead, but I think what he did was he said, I want to draw a
real parallel. These are stark differences. This is what I have done.
This is what I am doing.

This is what he said Romney is going to do, Romney. Now, you make the
choice and in that community, if you watched the -- yesterday and you watch
it today, it was an enormous difference in the terms of the temperature of
the reception. And so, I`m excited and I think it will be the difference
in Florida. I have believed for quite some time that the two things that
we`ve got going for us in Florida is if we increase our Hispanic turnout
this time with the energy we had in 2008 and if we focus on the fact that
Romney is actually telling our governor not to tout the economic comeback
because it`s off message.


SMITH: Those two things combined are making me very optimistic about
this election.

SHARPTON: So, let me get this right, Rod. U.S. Chair, the party
there. Do you feel what the President did last Friday helps you to win
Florida for the Democrats and this President in November. Do you feel this
helps you lock it up?

SMITH: Florida is going to be very close. And I think it`s going to
make the difference. I think what he has done will be in the end, we will
look back and say, that was a difference maker in this election.

SHARPTON: Now, Alicia, while the President is moving in this that all
of us agree is politically wise, but it`s also something he has a core
belief and it`s always talked about. Congressional Republicans are
pounding the President`s immigration decision. And they`re coming with
legislation. For example yesterday, they pushed two bills. One that had
11 co-sponsors and it would require the Department of Homeland Security
make sure illegal immigrants don`t receive Medicare, Social Security, or
food stamps. So not only do you have the President making an affirmative
step, you have Republicans in the Congress that are continuing to go after
a very, very regressive kind of policy on human levels. We talking about
Social Security, Medicare, food stamps. We`re talking about people that
need help here.

MENENDEZ: Right. It`s even worse than that. They`re addressing a
problem that does not exist. There are so few incidences of what they`re
suggesting that I`m glad this is what they`re putting their efforts
towards. They are in complete disarray. They know this a big issue for
their party. And listen. They have a very small part of their republican
base for whom immigration is a real issue. For the majority of
Republicans, this is not a motivating issue. In fact, a majority of
Americans, Republicans, Democrats agree on what is the most contentious
element of this entire debate. An earned pathway to citizenship. So,
right now Republicans are struggling with that fact that they have a
radical element of their base, a radical element that`s represented in
Congress. And they`re trying to figure how to satisfy them without losing
Latinos forever.

SHARPTON: Alicia Menendez and Rod Smith, thank you both for your
time. Have a great weekend, the both of you.

MENENDEZ: You too.

SMITH: Thanks.

SHARPTON: Ahead, video of a 68-year-old bus monitor getting bullied
and taunted by kids sparks a new call for civility. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: Up next, the latest edition of our series, here are the
jobs. There are jobs open and we found them. That`s next.


SHARPTON: We`re back with our series, here are the jobs. Over the
last six months, we`ve featured reports from companies with more than 6,000
job openings. We`re happy to report that as of today, more than 2,000
people have been hired for those job openings.

And tonight, we`re focusing on customer service and Xerox. They`re
expanding to cities all over. Including Greeley, Colorado, where a new
call center will add 700 jobs.

Joining me now from Chicago, Teri Morse, vice president of talent
management at Xerox. Thank you for coming on the show tonight.


SHARPTON: Tell us about the jobs. And what experience is needed.

MORSE: We have customer service positions throughout the nation. We
have 2700 positions open right now.

SHARPTON: Twenty seven hundred?

MORSE: Twenty seven 2700 today.


MORSE: So 2400 of them are for call center agents. We have
approximately 100 right now for people in the IT business. So, that
technical support to build those call centers. And over 200 maybe 300 in
management leadership type positions that we`ve got to actually support
and make sure that we`re taking care of our customers in those call

SHARPTON: Now, when the company is actually hiring people, what are
the things that people need to be aware of in terms of background?

MORSE: We look for people with customer service experience. What
they need to be able to do is problem solve on the job. Because truly,
Xerox services is the 1-800-help-me answer. The people on the phone
answering those particular calls. So, good customer service experience,
able to think quickly on their feet and help people get the solutions to
their questions quickly, promptly, and accurately. So, traditionally we
look for the military people that are returning, getting them back to work.
Our retired people that are looking for work are fantastic for us. Recent
college grads looking to get into the business field. Even high schoolers
that are looking not to go to college but looking for a good career in
business work out fantastic for us in our call centers.

SHARPTON: Now, the company`s actually expanding nationwide. Where
are the other locations?

MORSE: We are. We`ve got Greeley, Colorado, which you mentioned
today for us. Throughout Oregon with Portland, Tigard, Coos Bay, Anderson,
Indiana. Small town in Anderson, Indiana. We`ve got quite a view jobs
positions available there. North Carolina, Lexington, Kentucky. We`ve got
quite a few customers that were taking care of there. Regardless of the
line of business. Whether it`s hospital, insurance, wireless
communicators, technology companies. Those are the type of positions that
we take care of for our clients.

SHARPTON: All right. And almost 3,000 job openings, 2,700 jobs.
Well, Teri Morse from Xerox, thanks for joining us tonight. For more on
our here are the jobs series, go to our Web site. Just click on here are the jobs and you`ll find
and all the jobs featured on the show you`ll find there.

Coming up, calls for civility after a video of kids bullying a 68-
year-old goes viral.


UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Karen, you`re fat.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: You`re so fat. You take up, like, the whole
entire seat.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Oh, my God. Your glasses are all foggy from
your frigging sweat you fat (bleep).


SHARPTON: We`ll talk about how we can make this a teachable moment.


SHARPTON: We close tonight with the story that everyone`s talking
about. The school bus monitor who was bullied by four seventh grade
students. Two of the students have written apologies to the 68-year-old
Karen Klein just days after they taunted her with cruel and abusive


UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Karen, you`re fat. You take up like the whole
entire seat.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Oh, my God. Your glasses are foggy from your
frigging sweat you fat (bleep).

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Dude, put the glasses back on. I can`t stand
looking at your face.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Look at all this flab over there.

KAREN KLEIN, BULLIED BY STUDENTS: Unless you have something nice to
say, don`t say anything at all.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: How about you shut the (bleep) up.

UNIDENTIFIED STUDENT: Karen, are you sweating? You`re not sweating.
Why is there water on your face?

KLEIN: I`m crying.


SHARPTON: That disturbing video has sparked a new call for civility
and produced an outpouring of support from all over the world. With
supporters donating over $560,000 to send her on a dream vacation.

Joining me now is Lisa Bloom, an attorney and author of the new book
"Swagger: 10 Urgent Rules For Raising Boys in an Era of Failing Schools,
Mass Joblessness, and Thug Culture." Lisa, thanks for being here tonight.

LISA BLOOM, AUTHOR, "SWAGGER": Thank you, Reverend, Sharpton.

SHARPTON: Now, your new book is all about raising boys in this
society today. So hearing these 13 year olds taunt this bus monitor, how
surprised are you by how hurtful and persistent they are in insulting her?

BLOOM: Well, I`m not surprised at all. As I say in the book,
children are always going to try to push the limits. It`s up to us as
adults to push back and to not allow it. You know, my concern with what
happened here is apparently Karen Klein did very little. We saw she made a
few comments, but essentially she sat there and took the abuse. And she
ended up crying at the end of the ten-minute period of abuse. Was there no
training for her as a bus monitor as to how to handle this kind of a
situation? Because I believe that adults, when they`re with children and
children are misbehaving, they need to act swiftly. And tell the kids
knock it off. And after that warning if the kids persist, discipline them.
Separate the kids. Threaten to call the parents. Threaten to tell the
teacher. You know, most schools and school buses and youth activities have
that kind of progressive discipline in place. It`s so important to nip
this kind of thing in the bud.

SHARPTON: But we don`t want to blame the victim here. I mean, this
is a 68-year-old woman. She`s a chaperon. And clearly I think that a lot
of us are seeing in the culture now this kind of stuff that has now
manifested itself with youngsters of all communities, all backgrounds, all
economic status. And I think we`ve got to start dealing with it as a
cultural problem. It`s in our culture.

BLOOM: Well, that`s right. And I don`t want to blame her, but I do
want women to stand up especially to boys when they`re being abused. And
she`s a bus monitor. I mean, isn`t it part of her job to keep these kids
in line? I have a chapter in my book called teaching your boys to respect
girls and women. And one of the hardest thing for moms to do, Reverend Al
is to tell their kids, treat them with a respect. We moms tend to be
martyrs. But that`s not OK. Frankly, we`re doing a disservice to our boys
if we do that. We need to teach them to respect girls and women at every
opportunity up to and including us. Because if they don`t respect us,
they`re going to go through life disrespecting girls and women. And
they`re going to be in for hip of trouble because there`s a new generation
of empowered women out there who don`t stand for this kind of thing. And
if they treat women that way in the workplace, they`re going to be out of

SHARPTON: Yes. Two of the guys, two of the young boys apologized
today. One Wesley saying, "I feel really bad about what I did. I wish I
had never done those things. If that had happened to someone in my family
like my mother or grandmother, I would be really mad at those people who
did that to them."

Josh writes, "I`m so sorry for the way I treated you. When I saw the
video, I was disgusted and could not believe I did that. I am sorry for
being so mean. And I will never treat anyone this way again."

Now, whether they were being facetious or not, she`s not so far
decided to press charges. Should she accept apology or should she say I`m
pressing charges on seeking some disciplinary action?

BLOOM: We don`t need to criminalize everything in this culture
including 12-year-old boys misbehaving. We already have the biggest prison
population in the world. I don`t think that`s the right approach with 12
and 13-year-old boys. I like the apology. I would rather see it delivered
in person so there could be a conversation and she could tell them how hurt
she was. She has a son who committed suicide and they made fun of that.
I`d like them to sit and hear the pain that she experienced as a result of
that. You know, I call my book "Swagger" because there`s too many boys in
our culture today who have this swagger attitude.


BLOOM: That they can do anything they want and get away with it. And
we as parents have to learn how to undercut that. We have to teach them
that they are equal to everyone else. We have to teach them.

SHARPTON: Lisa bloom, I`m going to have to leave it there.

BLOOM: But it`s important.

SHARPTON: Lisa Bloom, thank you so much. I`m going to have to leave
it there. Thanks so much for your time tonight. And I agree with you.
We`ve got to take charge. We cannot allow it to keep going this way in
terms of disrespect and disregard for our women and mothers.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. Have a great weekend.
"HARDBALL" starts now.


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