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'The Last Word with Lawrence O'Donnell' for Wednesday, June 27, 2012

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Guests: Connie Schultz, Alicia Menendez, Alan Abramowitz, Walter Dellinger, Jonathan Cohn, Kevin Bleyer

LAWRENCE O`DONNELL, HOST: Tonight, no Democrats are complaining
anymore about team Obama using Bain Capital against Mitt Romney, because
it`s working.


understand, we`re not going to make progress by going backwards. We need
to go forwards.

CHRIS JANSING, NBC NEWS: This morning, we`ve got a new poll.

TAMRON HALL, MSNBC ANCHOR: A new NBC News/"Wall Street Journal" poll.

ANDREA MITCHELL, NBC NEWS: The new NBC News/"Wall Street Journal"
poll -- \

HALL: Where it`s all about swing states and the base.

MITCHELL: President Obama is ahead, 47 to 34 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mitt Romney can not get over that hump.

CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS: His negative rating is back to his all-time
high of 39 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What matters is the margin in those swing states.

TODD: Do you watch those swing states.

HALL: Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Ohio, and Nevada, and Virginia.

HALL: New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina.

MITCHELL: In those states, the president has widened his lead to
eight points.

MARTIN BASHIR, MSNBC HOST: Fifty to 42 percent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The president is doing quite well.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody thought Mitt Romney had a great June.
According to this poll, he didn`t have a great June.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s just like your opinion, man.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me, dude, I just want to point out, that is
the NBC News/"Wall Street Journal" poll.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s a new Quinnipiac poll out this morning.

BASHIR: The Quinnipiac poll out this morning shows the president
pulling ahead in Ohio.

TODD: This is significant.

BASHIR: In Pennsylvania, the president tops Romney 45 percent to 39

president failed to lead.

BASHIR: Down in Florida, the president edges Romney with a four-
point lead.

ROMNEY: We`re going to win in Virginia. We`re going to win in

OBAMA: Let`s finish what we started! Let`s remind the world!

ROMNEY: Thank you for your help! We`re going to get the job done!

OBAMA: Remind them why America is the greatest nation on earth!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today we celebrate our Independence Day!


O`DONNELL: As if trying to beat President Obama in the presidential
campaign isn`t hard enough for team Romney, the Romney guys decided they
have enough time on their hands to also wage war with "The Washington

According to a report in "Politico" at 2:00 p.m. today, Romney
campaign representatives met with "Washington Post" editors to demand a
retraction of this story that ran in "The Post" on Friday.

"Romney`s Bain Capital invested in companies that moved jobs
overseas." By the time the Romney campaign guys found themselves sitting
with "Washington Post" editors today, they had already proved themselves to
be the worst, most habitual liars in the modern history of presidential
campaigning. And in what must have been a big surprise to the campaign of
lies, "The Washington Post" refused to retract one word of the story.

"We are very confident in our reporting," a spokesperson said.

So am I. I mean, confident in "The Washington Post" reporting.

The Romney campaign`s misguided, naive, and completely unprofessional
attempt to bully "The Washington Post" has only served to bring even more,
much-deserved attention to the Romney outsourcing story.


has responded, I think yesterday, by saying, we don`t understand the
difference between offshoring and outsourcing.


BIDEN: OK. OK. If you`re looking for work, that`s a pretty cruel
joke. I can picture one guy, in my old neighborhood, standing next to
another guy in the unemployment line saying, hey, John, did you get
offshored or outsourced?



O`DONNELL: And we now have evidence that the Obama campaign attack on
Mitt Romney`s methods of self self-enrichment is working.

President Obama leads in three swing states where the Obama campaign
has been running its ads against Romney and Bain Capital. According to a
new Quinnipiac poll of registered voters today, among Florida voters,
President Obama leads Mitt Romney 45 percent to 41 percent.

Among Ohio voters, President Obama leads Mitt Romney 47 percent to 38
percent. And how important is Ohio to Mitt Romney? No Republican, no
Republican, has ever won the presidency without Ohio.

Among Pennsylvania voters, President Obama leads Mitt Romney 45
percent to 39 percent. No candidate has won the presidency since 1960
without winning at least two of those three states.

Today, the Romney campaign used a YouTube video to defend Romney`s
record at Bain, featuring a vice president of a steel company that Bain
took over.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We started talking to anybody we could. We
finally got some of the Bain people together, presented, here`s what we
envisioned. We were really interested in kind of creating a company that
could sustain itself.

So Bain came in and we did it. And did it all work out? No. Did we
make a difference? I think we made a big difference.

There`s in vampire story that Bain comes in and shows its teeth and
sucks the blood out of the operation. It was really entirely the opposite
of that. We went looking for a blood donor.


O`DONNELL: The Romney campaign removed that video from YouTube not
long after they posted.

The hopeless dreamers of THE LAST WORD staff contacted the Romney
campaign for an explanation as to why they were in favor of this video
before they were against it, and of course, the hopeless dreamers of THE
LAST WORD staff have received no response from the Romney campaign.

Joining me now from New York are co-hosts of MSNBC`s "THE CYCLE,"
Krystal Ball and Steve Kornacki. And from Cleveland, Ohio, Pulitzer Prize-
winning columnist for "Parade" magazine, Connie Schultz.

Connie, let me start with you. In Ohio, no Republican has ever won
your state, never won the presidency without winning your state. It
couldn`t be more important. The president has a lead in Ohio that is
beyond the margin of error.

What is working in Ohio for the president?

CONNIE SCHULTZ, PARADE MAGAZINE: Well, it was interesting to listen
to that ad just now. I haven`t seen it, the YouTube ad they pulled.
Because the first thing I was thinking, where are the workers telling the

In Ohio, this is really a story about workers. People trying to get
work -- people getting work, and the auto rescue in Ohio has made a
tremendous difference in Ohio.

You know, I, right now, I just bought a Chevy Cruz, which is made in
Lordstown. Lordstown, which was a ghost town, is now operating on three
shifts. The car is made in Ohio. All four Maine auto companies are
increasing their investments and there are expansions in Ohio. We have a
new steel mill opening up in Youngstown soon.

We -- I never want to say all is well, because there are still so many
people looking for work, but we are really seeing a change in Ohio, and
that is really working for the president.

O`DONNELL: Krystal and Steve, I`m going to let you both take a guess
as to why the Romney campaign pulled down that video from YouTube.

Now, mine is that as much as they like that message, that whole thing
about, you know, the vampire stuff, that`s really -- they`d rather not hear
their defenders raise that imagery. And also, I suspect there`s probably
some fact problems with what`s in that video.

KRYSTAL BALL, CO-HOST, "THE CYCLE": Well, I think that`s right. And
I think, also, somebody at some point was like, OK, you`re really going to
send the executive out --

SCHULTZ: Exactly.

BALL: -- to make the case for the Romney campaign?


BALL: I mean, that says it all, that it made it as far as YouTube,
that the Romney campaign thought that this was a good idea, that getting
the executive to tell the story of Mitt Romney was the right idea. It sort
of says it all about their approach to this campaign.

O`DONNELL: Steve, go ahead.

STEVE KORNACKI, CO-HOST, "THE CYCLE": I was going to say -- you know,
the interesting thing to me is that Mitt Romney before this campaign has
run in two general elections before and the Bain thing has been in both
against him in both of them. In 1994, when he ran for the Senate against
Ted Kennedy, he lost. Bain seemed to be very effective. In 2002, he ran
for governor of Massachusetts and he won, Bain didn`t seem to be effective.

There`s been this debate, which of those models holds occupy this
year. As I`m thinking back -- first of all, starting to see it work now,
and thinking back, why did it work in `94, why did it not work in 2002?

I think the explanation might be this: in 2002 when he ran for
governor, he was coming straight from the Olympics. He was being hailed as
this national hero, the guy who saved America`s Winter Olympic Games, came
straight back from Utah to Massachusetts. So people did not see him at all
in the context of the businessman in Massachusetts. They saw him in the
context of the Olympics.

That was not the case in `94 and it`s not the case now. We`re not
talking about Mitt Romney the Olympic guy. We`re back to talking about
Mitt Romney, the businessman.

And I`m starting to see in the poll results, I admit I was skeptical
there a little bit about how effective Bain would be, but we are starting
to see some evidence that it`s working and I think it might be because he`s
primarily seen as a businessman, just like he was in that first campaign.

BALL: And, Lawrence, I think the Obama campaign has been very smart
about taking a state-by-state approach, because I don`t think that the Bain
Capital attacks work as well everywhere in the country.

But I think in Ohio, I think in Pennsylvania, I think also in Florida
-- in states where they have seen the Bain story firsthand, polling shows
that it is very effective. So I think you can expect to see it continue.

O`DONNELL: I want to show Joe Biden on this. Because I`ve watched
him a long time, and I`ve got to say, the Biden going after Bain and the
way Romney made his money and the way Romney handles his money now with
offshore accounts and all that stuff, is just -- it`s kind of the easiest
target I`ve ever seen Joe Biden go after. Let`s listen to him today in


BIDEN: Romney called the president out of touch? I mean, did you
ever think that you`d have a choice between voting for a president who had
a Swiss bank account and one who didn`t?


O`DONNELL: Connie Schultz, you worked at the "Cleveland Plain Dealer"
for a long time and have been covering politics for a long time in Ohio.
Did you ever think a presidential candidate would come to Ohio with a Swiss
bank account?

SCHULTZ: Well, let`s put it this way. It`s been a form of
entertainment in a way, because when you look at what matters to people in
Ohio, I remember -- remember the NASCAR thing? When he said, I do too know
NASCAR, I know a couple of owners of that. That`s what that YouTube video
sounded like that to me again.

They are -- it`s not just that Romney`s tone deaf, I don`t know who`s
working for him. I don`t know -- I wonder if they`re ever touching the
ground in Ohio and talking to people who are working in Ohio.

I think there`s no coincidence whatsoever that this is helping the
president. And the president has also been enforcing trade agreements,
which is why we have the new steel plant going in Youngstown. There are
things that are happening in Ohio that will make a huge difference for him.

And I think he has smart. He and the first lady have been talking
more recently about their own more humble roots -- and first of all, that`s
honest. It`s true, especially with the first lady, talking about having an
early life that really echoes what a lot of us grew up with.

I was the first in my family to go to college. And so he`s closing
the distance with voters in a way that Romney can never hope to achieve.

O`DONNELL: Connie, you are the first lady of the distinguished
senator from Ohio, Sherrod Brown, your husband. And I raise that simply
because he`s doing very, very well himself in the polls in Ohio and he
doesn`t have his own Bain Capital to run against. What are the lessons of
a Sherrod Brown campaign and Sherrod Brown favorability ratings in Ohio
that he has earned that the president should be taking notes from your
husband on and learning from?

SCHULTZ: Well, Sherrod and I, it`s no secret we`re both real
progressives and we knew this in `06 that you can run as the progressive in
the state of Ohio and Sherrod won by almost 13 points in `06.

Our argument always was, when you talking progressive values, you`re
really talking about the values of most Americans. You`re talking about
access to health care, affordable health care. You`re talking about the
right to a living wage and to collectively bargain. And don`t forget, we
had that whole SB-5 thing, similar to Wisconsin, except we won. It was a
referendum vote.

And that I think really was a big change in terms of the confidence
level of workers in Ohio. Because that was defeated, it was a huge defeat
for the Republicans. And we`re riding that wave, I think. We can`t
discount the effect that is having also in this campaign.

O`DONNELL: I don`t know. What does Sherrod Brown know? He`s only
running 16 points ahead of his Republican challenger in Ohio.

SCHULTZ: And can I just say, all the money they`ve spent against him,
you know, Sherrod is number one target. I think it`s eight to one right
now with outside money, and I`m really proud of Ohio this week, that it`s
clear that they`re not buying -- you know, PolitiFact keeps saying these
are lies, and yet they keep putting it up anyway. So it`s been a good week
in Ohio.

O`DONNELL: Listen, I think his candidacy and his place in the
political spectrum is a fascinating example of exactly what progressives
can achieve by talking straight.

Krystal Ball and Steve Kornacki of MSNBC`s "THE CYCLE," the new stars
of daytime, and columnist Connie Schultz, thank you all very much for
joining me tonight.

BALL: Thanks, Lawrence.

SCHULTZ: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: Coming up, we can only be certain of one thing tomorrow,
just one thing, there will be outrage, no matter how the Supreme Court
rules, the ruling will be greeted with howls of protests. But for millions
of Americans, the ruling will mean absolutely nothing. Nothing. I will
explain who those Americans are and why it really does mean nothing to them
in tonight`s "Rewrite."


O`DONNELL: Tomorrow will be a day of outrage. No matter which way
the Supreme Court rules on health care in America. I`ll be joined by two
people who witnessed the Supreme Court arguments who will tell us what they
expect this court to say tomorrow.

And in the "Rewrite," I`ll explain what won`t change in our health
care system tomorrow, no matter how the Supreme Court rules. And why there
will be no outrage about that. And why there should be.

That`s coming up.


SCHULTZ: It used to be that experience ruled in political analysis.
The longer you were in politics, the more you knew.

Now, experience means nothing, because the American electorate is
changing too fast for us poor pundits to keep up with it. A new article in
the "National Journal" points out that if President Obama faced an
electorate with the same racial and ethnic composition of the 1980s,
President Obama would have lost the 2008 election.

Joining me now, Alicia Menendez, the host of "HuffPost Live"; and Alan
Abramowitz, professor of science at Emory University.

Professor, you have studied this demographic change that occurred in
the electorate. You went over this exit poll data and all this information
for the "National Journal" in putting that article together. What are the
big changes between now and say the Reagan era on who is going to the polls
in American and voting?

change, by far, has been the dramatic increase in the percentage of non-
white voters. Just since 1992, actually, the percentage of non-whites with
within the electorate and 2008 doubles. It went from 13 percent to 26

Another change has been a change in education levels, so we have fewer
voters now with only a high school education and more college graduates and
more with a post-college education. But certainly, the racial
transformation of the American electorate is really the big story, and it`s
an ongoing story. It is one that`s almost certainly going to continue for
the foreseeable future.

O`DONNELL: Alicia Menendez, the question was always for pundits not
so long ago -- what`s it like to have a beer with this guy, and they always
imagine that beer to take place in some sort of very Irish-looking bar in
my neighborhood in Boston, with a very, you know, ethnically, you know,
singular group. That ability to sit down in that kind of bar is no longer
all that useful out there on the campaign trail, it seems.

ALICIA MENENDEZ, HOST, "HUFFPOST LIVE": Yes. No, now you`re having
(INAUDIBLE) with the fastest growing demographic in the country. And you
look at someone like George Bush, who was able to win 44 percent of the
Latino vote. That then dropped to 31 percent with John McCain.

We now see in some of these polls with Mitt Romney only polling at 14
percent with Latino voters.

So as the country has changed, so too as the Republican Party. And it
has changed in the wrong direction. This is a dynamic electorate. It`s a
growing electorate.

If you had George Bush at 44 percent, if Romney was able to meet those
numbers, he would be doing incredibly well with Hispanics. It would
actually put him at margins of victories in a lot of states. But instead
he`s having a very big problem with this demographic, in large part because
the Republican primary has made it very difficult to go into the general
electorate and be palatable to a general electorate that is now much more

O`DONNELL: Professor Abramowitz, the numbers that you`ve studied are
exactly the kind of thing that Karl Rove was a master of studying and
probably still is. And he, within the Republican Party, has privately and
semi-publicly been sounding the alarm about what`s happening to the
Republican message, among the voters that Alicia was just talking about.

Is that what you found looking into these numbers? That the
Republican Party and the Republican presidential candidates have plenty of
reason to be worried, given where they are on the issues?

ABRAMOWITZ: Absolutely. What we`ve seen over several decades, not
just this year, is that as the non-white share of the electorate and
particularly the Latino share of the electorate has grown, the Democratic
Party has been absorbing the vast majority of these non-white voters.

And the Republican Party has remained an overwhelmingly white party.
And that is a very dangerous place to be in a country that`s becoming
increasingly diverse. And I don`t see anything going on this year that`s
going to change that the trend.

O`DONNELL: And, Alicia, the Latino vote seems to be one group left in
our politics, anyway, that believes in government`s ability to do things.
A Gallup poll shows that 66 percent of Latino voters believe that the
government should do more to solve the country`s problems versus 35 percent
who believe that it should do less. And of course, the Republican position
is that the government should do less.

MENENDEZ: And when you look at additional polling, I think what`s
most entrusting, if you hone down, it`s really those young Latinos, 18 to
29, they are the fastest growing subset of both the youth electorate and
the Hispanic electorate, and they are overwhelmingly believe that is the
government`s role.

So going into not only this election, but elections to follow for the
next 20 years, they are going to play a critical role.

O`DONNELL: Alicia Menendez and Adam Abramowitz, thank you both for
joining me tonight.

MENENDEZ: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: And coming up, we`ll get predictions from two people who
witnessed the Supreme Court arguments on the Affordable Care Act. They`ll
tell us what they think the court will say tomorrow.

And in the "Rewrite," I`ll remind you of something Democrats have
forgotten about health care reform and tell you what won`t change in our
health care system tomorrow, no matter what the Supreme Court says. That`s
coming up.


O`DONNELL: You can sleep a little late tomorrow and still catch live
coverage of the health care decision at 10:00 a.m. Two experts will join
me to tell us what they expect to Supreme Court to say tomorrow.

And in the "Rewrite," I`ll tell you what won`t change no matter what
the Supreme Court says tomorrow.

And "The Daily Show" is here tonight in the form of Emmy-winning
"Daily Show" writer Kevin Bleyer, who will tell us who America wants in the
White House if -- and some would say when -- we are invaded by space

And Kevin actually has a poll to prove who America wants to defend us
against an alien invasion.



picture what the Supreme Court will look like four years from now after
Romney. No, no, for real. After Romney has been president for four years.


O`DONNELL: In the Spotlight tonight, the Supreme Court. That was the
vice president today, citing THE LAST WORD`s official number one reason for
voting for president, the selection of Supreme Court justices. Team Obama
knows this -- this is the week to focus voters` attention on the Supreme
Court. Monday, the court issued an historic ruling crushing the un-
American and unconstitutional law enacted in Arizona that would have
allowed Arizona police to stop anyone, anywhere, and demand to see their

And tomorrow, the court will issue what some believe is an even more
important ruling on health care in America.


decision is coming tomorrow for the Supreme Court. My guess is they`re not
sleeping real well at the White House tonight.


O`DONNELL: No matter what happens tomorrow, the Republicans have a


REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: If the court does not strike
down the entire law, the House will move to repeal what`s left of it.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Now, I got a call from Speaker
Boehner last Friday who -- I mean, he was calling a lot of people. Yeah,
he called me first. Yes, yes, he called me. But he was calling a lot of
people, and he was telling us what the Republican plan is, and it was
repeal, repeal, repeal, regardless of what happens.

The mandate`s thrown out, repeal the rest of it. If the whole thing
is upheld, repeal it. If the whole thing`s deemed unconstitutional, repeal
that. He made it clear that repeal, and not repeal and replace, but repeal
was going to be the focal point for the House Republicans.


O`DONNELL: So John Boehner`s call list begins with Rush Limbaugh.
And apparently Mitt Romney is very far down that list. It sounds like as
of today, Romney hasn`t heard the Boehner repeal everything and replace
nothing plan.


ROMNEY: And so if the court upholds it, if they say, look, it passes
the Constitution, it still is bad policy, and that will mean if I`m
elected, we are going to repeal it and replace it.


ROMNEY: And if, on the other hand, the court strikes it down, they
will be doing some of my work for me. I won`t have repeal it, but I`ll
still have to replace it, and I will.


O`DONNELL: Joining me now are Jonathan Cohn of "The New Republic" and
author of the book, "Sick: The Untold Story of America`s Health Care Crisis
and the People Who Pay the Price," and Walter Dellinger, a former acting
solicitor general under President Clinton. He also served in the Justice
Department and has more recently filed a brief on behalf of the Democratic
leadership in the House and Senate defending the Affordable Care Act.

Gentleman, you both were in the session of Supreme Court while the
arguments were going on. Walter Dellinger, tell me how you think the court
is going to rule tomorrow.

don`t know.

O`DONNELL: OK, let`s start there. And now -- OK, get that out of the
way. Now let`s go on and predict it.

DELLINGER: OK. If I had to guess, I think the court`s going to
uphold it six to three, the chief justice writing the opinion. And the
reason is that this is a simple question of whether this law is within the
subject matter scope of a regulation of commerce. And it regulates one
sixth or seventh of the national economy.

And secondly, if they were to hold the mandate invalid, which is
really just an incentive to have insurance coverage, there`s no telling how
much of the law unravels. And this is a law that for a hundred million
Americans means they don`t have to worry about lifetime caps on the amount
of insurance they can have. For 50 million Americans, it means better
access to preventative care like mammograms and birth control.

For six million Americans it means -- for young people, they can stay
on their family`s health insurance policies until they`re 26. For five
million people, it means that they can -- don`t have to worry about the
doughnut hole in prescription drug coverage.

And for everybody, it means you can`t be turned down because of pre-
existing conditions or have your rates raised if you have a child born with
a birth defect. It would be an enormous undertaking for five men to pull
down such an enormous bill on such a flimsy basis, in my view.

O`DONNELL: Jonathan Cohn, your prediction for tomorrow. You can
start with "I don`t know" and then go ahead with your actual prediction.

JONATHAN COHN, "THE NEW REPUBLIC": Yes, I`m going to copy Walter on
that, since he`s actually a law professor and I`m not. But I think, like a
lot of people after the Arizona decision, I`m feeling a little more
optimistic. You know, the oral arguments during the Arizona case looked
like they went very badly for the government. And then low and behold, the
decision came out. And it turns out that at least on that decision, Chief
Justice Roberts and Anthony Kennedy are not as crazy as Justice Scalia.

Maybe that`s a sign. Maybe that`s an indication that when we get to
health care reform, you know, sitting in that courtroom, there were a lot
of very hard questions asked. But at the end of the day, those two may
have other -- they may be thinking, do we really want to go there? Do we
really want to take this radical step? Do we want to be responsible for
telling 30 million Americans, hey, you don`t get to have health insurance?

You know, I would like to think they wouldn`t do that. And after
Monday, I`m a little more optimistic they won`t.

O`DONNELL: Walter --

DELLINGER: There was another tea leaf on Monday, Lawrence, that Linda
Greenhouse astutely noted. Chief Justice Roberts dissented from the
decision striking down the laws that allowed juveniles to be held for life
in prison without parole. And he chose to make his dissent about the need
to defer to the judgments made by the legislative branches of the
government. That was the theme of his dissent in a cases that was argued
in the same March sitting as the health care case.

I can`t believe he would set himself up, knowing the two decisions
were coming down this week, to be quoted back against himself. I thought
that was quite revealing.

O`DONNELL: OK, gentleman, the video of this segment is going to be on
our website forever for people to see, whether the night before you called
it right in the Supreme Court. Jonathan Cohn and Walter Dellinger, thank
you both very much for joining me tonight.

DELLINGER: Thank you, Lawrence.

O`DONNELL: You will not want to miss THE LAST WORD tomorrow night on
this big decision. Among my exclusive guests, Michael Moore, the director
of "Sicko." And House Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer will join us. Full
analysis of the Supreme Court`s ruling on the Affordable Care Act on
tomorrow`s LAST WORD.

But no matter what happens tomorrow at the Supreme Court, whether the
act is upheld or overturned, some things won`t change. I`ll tell you what
those things are next in the Rewrite.

And later, the important reasons to vote for a presidential candidate.
How they`ll handle the economy, of course, the Supreme Court, as I always
say, how they`ll handle foreign policy. And now how they`ll handle an
invasion from outer space. The man you`d trust with your life if the
Klingons showed up.

"The Daily Show" is here to tell us who`s the best president in the
case of an alien invasion.


O`DONNELL: We are now less than 12 hours away from knowing if the
United States Supreme court will Rewrite health care law in America. We
don`t know what the Supreme Court is going to say tomorrow, in what will be
one of the most important rulings in the court`s history, and the second
most important Supreme Court ruling in cable news history. The most
important ruling being who would be the next president of the United

We are guaranteed of only one thing tomorrow. There will be outrage.
If the Supreme Court does nothing, there will be Republican outrage,
culminating in the cry, this is why we need a Romney presidency, to repeal
Obamacare. If the Supreme Court throws out the individual mandate or the
entire law, there will be Democratic party outrage.

And all of the outrage, Democrat or Republican, will be heard on cable
news shows. Here`s who will not be outraged tomorrow, no matter what
happens. The 26 million people who will remain without health insurance,
even if the so-called Affordable Care Act stays in place. No matter what
happens tomorrow, health care will still not be affordable in this country
for 26 million people.

Those people were written out of the bill at the start by the
Democrats, who never really tried to provide universal coverage. But
Democrats universally referred to their bill as universal coverage.


REP. NANCY PELOSI (D), MINORITY LEADER: And if you believe that we
need health care for all Americans, we will pass the bill. And we will
pass the bill.


O`DONNELL: All Americans? Speaker Pelosi kept saying it would cover
everyone. The president kept saying it would cover everyone. But that was
never true. The bill the president signed into law was, as we all know, a
highly compromised bill. Dropping universal coverage on day one was the
single biggest compromise. But because it happened on day one, almost no
one noticed.

Then came the many months` saga of the public option. Unfortunately,
it fell to me to be the first on MSNBC to predict that there would be no
public option. I said on September 8th, 2009, "Nancy Pelosi firmly
believes that when the moment comes, she can gather her caucus together and
tell them that she fought harder for the public option than Barack Obama
did, than Harry Reid did, than any senator did. No one fought harder for
it than Nancy Pelosi, and she is now telling her troops, they`re going to
have to go forward without it. That moment is going to come home."

No one told me inside Nancy Pelosi world that that`s what was
happening. I could see that was what was happening from where I was
sitting. After I said that in 2009, an endless stream of Democratic
members of Congress streamed through MSNBC for months, insisting there
would be a public option, and most of them insisting that they would not
support a bill that did not have a public option.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Senator Chuck Schumer of New York, he`s a
Democrat and a strong advocate for the public option. He says it still has

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re going to have competition. We are going to
make sure that there are regulations. And we are going to make sure that
the American people aren`t gouged.

Every single time we`ve tried to do something like a tiny sliver of
competition called the public option, they said, no, we can`t withstand
competition. We can`t have that. Enough of the phoniness. We are going
to solve this problem because for years our Republican friends have been
unable to and unwilling to. Deal with it.


O`DONNELL: And then, of course, the Democrats did exactly what they
said they wouldn`t do.


PELOSI: The bill is passed.


O`DONNELL: Do you remember how you felt about the health care bill
when you watched the Democratic Congress walk away from the public option
after Nancy Pelosi promised they would never do that?


WENDELL POTTER, FORMER CIGNA EXECUTIVE: I would also express concern
that if Congress goes along with so-called solutions that the insurance
industry says it is bringing to the table, and if it fails to provide a
public insurance option to compete with private insurers, the bill it sends
to the president might as well be called the Insurance Industry Profit
Protection and Enhancement Act.


O`DONNELL: That was Wendell Potter, frequent guest on MSNBC at the
time, articulating what many of us believed. And then a funny thing
happened on the way to passing the Insurance Industry Profit Protection and
Enhancement Act. Many members of Congress who swore they would vote
against it got in line to vote for it, including some who in the past could
be relied on to hold the honorable ground to the left of the Democratic


REP. DENNIS KUCINICH (D), OHIO: I told the president twice, in two
different meetings, that I couldn`t support the bill if it didn`t have a
robust public option.

O`DONNELL: Can we just get a no there, congressman? Will you vote
against the Senate bill at the first stage of the process in the House?

KUCINICH: If that sounded like a no, you`re correct.


O`DONNELL: In that same week Dennis Kucinich told me that on MSNBC,
he switched from a no to a yes. Dennis Kucinich was one of the last
Democrats to surrender principle to party loyalty, and agreed to vote for
the Affordable Health Care Act that he knew would leave health care
unaffordable for 26 million people. Dennis Kucinich knew how to help those
26 million people and everyone else.

He knew the right reform was to open Medicare for all. Medicare is a
system that works. Medicare is a system that is popular. Medicare is far
more efficient than for-profit health insurance. Dennis Kucinich knew that
Medicare is the only real answer, the only complete answer to America`s
health care coverage crisis. But he knew he wasn`t going to get a chance
to vote for Medicare for all.

And so he did what I probably would have done in his place and voted
for a highly compromised bill that he knew was the best he could get at
that time. Dennis Kucinich and other liberal members of the Democratic
caucus, in the end, made the calculation that the bill was better than
nothing. Better than nothing.

Dennis Kucinich didn`t get brainwashed in the process. He didn`t
become a mindless cheerleader for a highly compromised bill. He never
forgot the 26 million people who were going to be left behind without a
plan to ever provide coverage for them. But many Democrats did. They
pretended they passed a universal coverage bill. And as the law continued
to be criticized, Democrats pretended they passed a perfect bill.

No legislation is ever perfect. It can never be perfect. All
legislation is the product of compromise. The Affordable Care Act is
indescribably complex, even for experts. No one can recite to you the 15
taxes in the bill without checking the list. There isn`t a non-expert out
there who knows the full mix of ways in which the bill tries to provide
health care coverage, from expanding Medicaid, expanding the CHIP Program,
providing government subsidies to purchase health insurance for some

No one knows how much those subsidies are, not even the experts. No
one knows what the fines are and the enforcement for the individual
mandate. None of those things are known by American voters, none of them.

But virtually every American voter is related to or knows someone on
Medicare, someone who can explain Medicare to them at their own kitchen
table. Virtually all of us have someone in our own family who can
passionately and explicitly and substantively explain Medicare to us,
because so many of those people are alive today thanks to Medicare.

Almost all of the outrage you will hear tomorrow will be from people
who do not know and cannot know and cannot explain what is really in the
Affordable Care Act. But if ignorance could inhibit public outrage, we
would be a much quieter country. No matter what the Supreme Court rules
tomorrow, millions of Americans will still go into bankruptcy over health
care bill. Millions of Americans will still lose their homes because of
health care bills. And millions of Americans will have illnesses that go

And no one on cable news is outraged over that tonight.


O`DONNELL: Paul Krugman told Chris Hayes that he thinks nothing short
of an alien invasion could get Congress united to do the right thing for
the economy and the country and invest in infrastructure spending.


PAUL KRUGMAN, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": So if we can get something that
will cause the government to say, oh, never mind those budget things, let`s
just spend and do a bunch of stuff -- so my fake threat from space aliens
is the other route.


O`DONNELL: And who would Americans want in the White House if we
faced an alien invasion? According to a new "National Geographic" channel
poll, 65 percent of Americans would pick President Obama to deal with that
planet being threatened in such a situation, and they would pick him over
Mitt Romney. That same poll found 80 million Americans are certain UFOs
exist and 79 percent think the government has kept information about UFOs

Last November, the White House was forced by that 79 percent to
respond to a public petition asking for more information on
extraterrestrial life. They released a statement saying, "the U.S.
government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet or that
an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the
human race. In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that
any evidence is being hidden from the public`s eye."

But that was before Mitt Romney said this --


ROMNEY: I read the article on the aircraft. As I read the article, I
want to make it very clear, I repudiate that effort.

Garrett, would you see that one of those chocolate -- one of those
chocolate goodies finds its way into our lives.

I met a guy yesterday, seven feet tall. Yeah, handsome, great, big
guy, seven feet tall. Name is Rick Miller, Portland, Oregon. And he
started a business. I -- of course, you know, it was in basketball -- but
it wasn`t in basketball. I figured he had to be in sport, but he wasn`t in


O`DONNELL: Joining me now is THE LAST WORD`s senior UFO analyst,
Kevin Bleyer. He is also an Emmy-winning writer for the "Daily Show" and
the author of "Me The People: One Man`s Selfless Quest to Rewrite the
Constitution of the United States of America," a very funny book that I
just might read. I have the book, Kevin. I had it on the plane and I
failed to open it, but I`m going to open in on the next plane.

Kevin, Romney`s the proof, right, case closed?

KEVIN BLEYER, "THE DAILY SHOW" WRITER: It`s official, Area 51 will
soon be a swing state, unfortunately. And certainly when "National
Geographic" asks such an absurd question, we have no choice but to take it
deadly seriously. This is, after all, an election season.

O`DONNELL: Now, just a minute. Comedy Central is now in the business
of judging what the absurd questions are? I beg your pardon.

BLEYER: I do think it`s impossible not to notice that despite your
evidence, Mitt Romney might have been addressing this. If you really look
at it, both candidates have been strangely silent on this issue. I ask
you, where is the leadership really, Lawrence. The American people deserve
better. That is to say, if the American people are people, we don`t know.

O`DONNELL: You know, President Obama was actually asked this when he
was a candidate for president. When he became president, if he found that
there was secret information, would he release it. And he said it depended
on whether the extraterrestrial life were Democrats or Republicans.

BLEYER: The real question is not whether the aliens will invade. The
real question is when the aliens invade, when they land, will President
Obama require that they be part of the individual mandate? We`ll find out
tomorrow. Then of course the question becomes, would a President Romney,
in fact, repeal -- I don`t even know what to call it then, Obamalien-care?

We cannot trust the Supreme Court on this issue, as you know, because
at the very least I am going to say two of them are aliens. I`ve seen "Men
in Black." I know how this works.

O`DONNELL: And you know Scalia. You`ve interviewed him.


O`DONNELL: You`re as close as I`ve gotten to Scalia. Kevin, we are
out of time. You and I are doing a thing in L.A. this weekend. We`ll put
it up on the website where that`s going to be. Kevin Bleyer gets tonight`s
LAST WORD. Thanks, Kevin.

BLEYER: You bet.

O`DONNELL: Tomorrow night, full analysis of the Supreme Court ruling.
Michael Moore is going to be my guest. And he will be a LAST WORD
exclusive. "THE ED SHOW" is up next.


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