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'The Rachel Maddow Show' for Monday, August 13, 2012

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Guests: Jared Bernstein, Dan Rather

ED SCHULTZ, HOST, "THE ED SHOW": Senator, great to have you with us
tonight. Keep up the fight. Thanks so much.

That`s "THE ED SHOW." I`m Ed Schultz.

THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW starts right now.

Good evening, Rachel.

RACHEL MADDOW, HOST: Good evening, Ed. I thought of you yesterday
when I saw -- or this weekend when I saw the announcement was in Norfolk.
I think that was a special gift to you, Ed.


SCHULTZ: Well, it was an interesting place. When I heard that it was
going to be in Virginia, I thought, Governor McDonnell, maybe. But when it
was on the USS Wisconsin, which is a huge museum down there, a big draw, I
thought, maybe it is going to be Ryan. Sure enough, it was.


SCHULTZ: We know one thing -- the political donnybrook is now
officially on.


MADDOW: That`s exactly right, man. Seriously. Thank you, I
appreciate it.

SCHULTZ: You bet.

MADDOW: Thanks.

And thanks to you at home for staying with us for the next hour.

This is an exciting time, right? This is a very exciting time to be
in the news biz or to care about politics, and there`s a big show ahead
here. It was a year ago this week that Mitt Romney at the Iowa state fair
sort of broke down under the pressure of really persistent heckling and
said something on tape that will probably haunt his campaign until the very
end as if it were a poltergeist.


MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We have to make sure that
the promises we make in Social Security, Medicaid, and Medicare are
promises we can keep. And there are various ways of doing that. One is we
could raise taxes on people. That`s --


ROMNEY: Corporations are people, my friend. We could raise taxes --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, they`re not.

ROMNEY: Of course, they are. Everything corporations earn ultimately
goes to people. Where do you think it goes?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It goes into their pockets!


ROMNEY: Whose pockets? People`s pockets. Human beings, my friend.


MADDOW: Human beings, my friend. For the one-year anniversary of the
"corporations are people" moment, at last year`s Iowa state fair, this
year, the Romney campaign decided to send their brand new vice presidential
pick, not just to the Iowa state fair, but to that exact same stage, that
exact same microphone to face, it turned out, pretty much the exact same
kind of persistent heckling.

And while Paul Ryan did not get flustered enough that he blurted out
"corporations are people" -- still, it didn`t go well today.


that President Obama is starting his bus tour today.


RYAN: And I heard he wasn`t going to come to the Iowa state fair. I
think --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you going to cut Medicare?

RYAN: I think it`s because --



RYAN: It`s funny.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It`s a simple question!

RYAN: It`s funny because Iowans and Wisconsinites like to be
respectful of one another and peaceful with one another and listen to each
another. These ladies must not be from Iowa or Wisconsin. Hey, like I
said, she must not be from Iowa. So, hey, all right.


MADDOW: Hey, all right. This is the big rollout of the new Mitt
Romney/Paul Ryan Republican ticket. They sent Paul Ryan for his first solo
event to have a very difficult time being heckled at the Iowa state fair.

After doing the big rollout, the announcement of Mr. Ryan on Saturday
morning and doing a couple joint events with both Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan
over the weekend, they then right away put Paul Ryan out on his own. And
you can tell that he`s new at this. I mean, understandably uncomfortable
with people shouting stuff at him, and with the dynamics of a crowd like

Paul Ryan is not used to this. Paul Ryan is used to traveling in
Republican circles where he`s treated more like this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Congressman, we want to thank you so much for
coming in today. We also want to note that it`s your birthday.

RYAN: That`s right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And your 42nd birthday, and we have --

RYAN: You have to be kidding me. Oh, my God. Where did you get

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We actually -- I was up all night.

RYAN: You were.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to cut into that sucker?

RYAN: I don`t eat sweets.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s the federal dollar.

RYAN: Yes, I see that.


MADDOW: Get it? Paul Ryan is the guy who wants to cut up the federal

Paul Ryan is not much use to people thinking he`s anything other than
awesome. Even when his party was at the lowest point possible, right after
the 2008 presidential election, when the Republicans just got shellacked,
Paul Ryan was still treated as a king in Republican circles. It was four
days after the 2008 election when the Democrats won the House and the
Senate, and the White House by a huge margin, four days after that, "The
Wall Street Journal" editorial board pushed for Paul Ryan to become the
Republican leader in the House.

Fast forward two and a half years and the love affair is still hot,
hot, hot -- the conservative "Weekly Standard" pushing last year for Paul
Ryan to not just be the leader of the House Republicans but to run for

After it was clear, despite all of the pushing from the conservative
media, he was not going to run for president, there has still been a lout
drum beat in the conservative media all year long that he should at least
be the Republican vice presidential pick.

And this is once again where it becomes important to us as a country
to understand that we have a totally bifurcated media universe now. It`s
not always been this way, but the fact that is it now is important.

If you -- if you are a politically engaged right winger, if you are a
conservative, if you are a Republican, the conservative media love affair
with Paul Ryan is probably all you have ever heard about Paul Ryan. In the
hermetically sealed, self-confirming, don`t touch that dial of right wing
radio and the conservative blogosphere and the conservative magazines and,
of course, the FOX News Channel, there really is nothing controversial
about Paul Ryan at all. He`s perfect in every way.

But now, the process of leaving that bubble, the trip from
Republicanville into the-rest-of-us-ville, into normalville, for lack of a
better term, that trip is proving to be a little bit jarring, when we saw
in Paul Ryan first hand at his first event. That wasn`t just a Republican
campaign pep rally with people cheering for him lustily.

We saw it more dramatically as the other half of the ticket, Mr.
Romney himself, embarked on his first big trip after the Ryan announcement,
to Florida.

Today, the Web site "BuzzFeed," posted snap shots of the front pages
of major Florida newspapers so we could see the local reporting on Mr.
Romney heading down to Florida to campaign right after picking Paul Ryan as
his running mate.

Look at these headlines. "The Miami Herald": "Ryan could hurt Romney
in Florida."

"The Indian River Press Journal": "Ryan may be a liability in Florida.
Romney`s pick for running mate could antagonize many seniors."

"The Palm Beach Post": "With Ryan in, Medicare key. They weren`t fans
of bold policy that intruded on health care."

"The Ledger" newspaper of Lakeland, Florida: "Romney Seeks Distance
from Ryan`s Plans."

The "Bradenton Herald": "Ryan could be a drag in Florida. Medicare
plans may hinder Romney."

See, in Republicanville, Paul Ryan may be some combination of a
reincarnated Ronald Reagan and a rock star. But in normal-ville, outside
of the bubble, he`s the kill Medicare guy. And again, I think this may be
a shock to them. Republicans have their own echo chamber, if you listen to
conservatives, just echoing each other, just talking to each other about
Paul Ryan, you would think that selecting him was not only
noncontroversial, you would think that it was being greeted with universal

It is not. "USA Today" had the first polling today since Paul Ryan
was tapped to be Mitt Romney`s running mate, and it is not pretty for the
Republicans. Quote, "Ryan is seen as only a fair or poor choice by 42
percent of Americans, versus 39 percent who think he is an excellent or
pretty good vice presidential choice."

"USA Today"/Gallup polls have registered voters after the announcement
of running mates since Dick Cheney in 2000 all showed more positive

But wait, there`s more. The "USA Today"/Gallup survey today also
finds 48 percent of Americans view Paul Ryan as qualified to be president
if something should happen to Mitt Romney, only Sarah Palin and Dan Quayle
were rated lower than Paul Ryan on that scale.

Numbers this bad for Paul Ryan, again, must not only be disappointing
to Republicans, but shocking to conservatives who in their world have
really never heard anything negative about him at all. They didn`t even
know he was controversial.

But in the real world, Paul Ryan comes from the most unpopular
Congress in the history of polling on the popularity of Congress. I mean,
Congress is never all that popular, but it has never been more unpopular
than it is right now, and Paul Ryan is arguably the most famous face of the
current Congress because he`s the Republican budget guy, and the Republican
budget guy is really, really famous because the Republican budget would
kill Medicare. And that`s really unpopular.

When Paul Ryan rolled out the last iteration of the kill Medicare
budget, CNN polled on it. Here`s what they found. Quote, "A majority of
all demographic groups do not favor the GOP, aka, Paul Ryan Medicare

It wasn`t just unpopular. It was unpopular with everybody. The
percentage of all Americans who opposed the kill Medicare plan was 58
percent. Among people who describe themselves as conservative, 54 percent.
Disapprove of Paul Ryan`s plans on Medicare, 54 percent of conservatives.

CNN asked just older people, look at the number with older people, 74
percent said they disapproved of Paul Ryan and the kill Medicare plan.

The demographic with which Barack Obama did the worst in 2008 was
people over 60. That`s going to get better this year. Thank you, Paul

That is why Democrats were so hoping that Mitt Romney would pick this

For Democrats looking at the poll numbers for what Paul Ryan is most
famous for, for what he represents in the political system, Mitt Romney
picking him -- I mean, it`s not Christmas in August. It`s like
Christmas/birthday/Kwanzika (ph) in August. I mean, Democrats are happy.

Back in March, when things looks much worse for Mr. Obama`s re-
election prospects than they look right now, that Obama had stretched even
back then to try to link Mitt Romney to Paul Ryan. How can we link this
guy to this completely politically toxic other guy?

White House senior adviser David Plouffe went on the Sunday shows one
weekend in March and tried to have the phrase Romney/Ryan plan take off.
He kept saying the phrase, "Romney/Ryan" -- the Obama campaign hoping to
link him to something as toxic as the political legacy of Paul Ryan. And
now that dream has come true.

The unpopularity of Paul Ryan, the political toxicity of him in a
general election is not just a theoretical thing that you have to project
forward to from the polls to imagine what it might be like. This is
something that we have already seen in the real world.

As soon as Paul Ryan`s economic plans, as soon as the kill Medicare
budget became official Republican policy, as soon as they started making
Republican members vote on it, Democrats started spinning that into
electoral gold.

And the first special election after House Republicans voted in favor
of the Paul Ryan plan, Democrats used that fact to capture a House seat in
western New York that had pretty consistently been held by Republicans
since before the civil war. Democrat Kathy Hochul won that seat by tying
her Republican opponent to the Republican kill Medicare budget.

And since that election, it`s only gotten worse for the Republicans on
this issue, not better. That Democrat Kathy Hochul was out this weekend
with a new fund-raising pitch tied directly to Paul Ryan being picked as
the V.P. Her Republican opponent this fall, the man named Chris Collins,
is running from the Ryan plan now as fast as he can. Quote, "Chris Collins
does not support the Ryan cuts to Medicare," said Chris Grant, an adviser
to the campaign.

That may be true about Chris Collins, and if it is true, he`s not
alone. Nevada`s Dean Heller -- when Dean Heller was in the House, he voted
for the Paul Ryan plan. Then Dean Heller got appointed to the Senate, poor
guy, just in time to be expected to vote for the Paul Ryan plan again,
which he did. But now that Dean Heller is running for re-election in the
Senate, he`s running away from the Paul Ryan plan as fast as he can.

Republican Senator Scott Brown is trying to get reelected in
Massachusetts -- tough territory for him. Look at this op-ed he wrote back
in May. "Why I don`t back Paul Ryan`s Medicare plan." Thank you,
Republican Senator Scott Brown.

The Massachusetts Democratic Party is already out today with an attack
ad against Scott Brown, nevertheless linking him to Paul Ryan.

The Republican Party in Montana is running an ad in their state
touting the fact their Republican Senate nominee voted against the Paul
Ryan plan because they said Paul Ryan`s plan, quote, "could harm the
Medicare program so many of Montana`s seniors rely on." That`s the
Republican Party of Montana running that ad.

These are Republicans running against Paul Ryan, bragging that they
didn`t vote for this toxic Paul Ryan kill Medicare thing.

Heather Wilson, the Republican nominee for Senate in New Mexico, was
careful to tell her home town newspaper, quote, "I didn`t agree with
everything in the Ryan plan. I was concerned with some of his approaches
to Medicare."

Even slightly wacky Linda McMahon, who was trying to run for the
Senate as a Republican in Connecticut, even she is running away from the
Paul Ryan plan, saying she would never support a budget like that.

My friend Steve Benen, who writes at, Steve has always
had a very useful framing for thinking about how candidates pick vice
presidential nominees.

They vice presidential picks are either almost Augusts or Novembers or
Januarys. The strongest possible candidate will pick a January. Pick
somebody who will help them govern once they get elected.

Sort of middle of the road candidate will pick somebody with an eye
toward November. Pick in November, somebody who will help them get elected
in the general election in November. Somebody who would help them appeal
to a broad swath of the nation.

And then there`s the type of vice president that the weakest candidate
chooses, an August -- the person who won`t necessarily help you govern
starting in January, won`t help you win in November, but who does speak to
your own party`s base. It`s the kind of choice you make to make your own
party like you, to make your own side think you are one of them.

Paul Ryan is the paragon of Mr. August. I was hoping for Liz Cheney.
Paul Ryan is better.

This is not the guy you pick to win Florida. This is the guy you pick
to win "FOX and Friends".

Joining us now is Dan Rather, anchor and managing editor of "Dan
Rather Reports" on Access TV. Mr. Rather, of course, has covered
presidential elections at a network correspondent since 1960.

Dan Rather, thank you for being here.

DAN RATHER, ACCESS TV: Thank you for having me, Rachel.

MADDOW: That trip in Florida was also -- the news about Florida was
bookended by Mr. Romney canceling a planned trip to Orlando. The
candidate`s campaign initially cited exhaustion and backtracking and said
he wasn`t exhausted, he was very busy. And then ABC News reported he was
spotted spending some time in the gym.

I don`t know why they`re avoiding the Orlando stop. But is there a
rational political reason for the Republican new ticket to avoid a lot of
time in Florida right now?

RATHER: Absolutely. You covered it when you covered the newspaper
headlines in Florida, saying rather straight out that Ryan could be a
problem for Romney in Florida.

My personal opinion before this vice presidential pick was that
Florida was shaded probably for Romney. Now, I think it`s shaded at least
slightly for Obama.

One thing we need to keep in mind, Rachel, and I`m reminded myself, I
have been covering politics since way before Tim Tebow was born, but these
things unfold as time goes on. And while right now Ryan looks like he is
toxic for the ticket, it could be as we get deeper in the campaign, that
this intelligent man -- he is intelligent and serious man -- will show
something that people do not now see. It`s a caution flag that in the
early going, it`s easy based on his record to say, he violates one of what
is generally a presidential nominee`s two criteria for a vice presidential

Basically, you ask of a vice presidential candidate that he helps
carry his home state and that he does not damage the ticket. In the early
going, in the early going, Ryan damages the ticket because rightly or
wrongly, he`s perceived as someone out to kill Medicare and Medicaid, and
for that matter, doesn`t feel all that good about Social Security.


RATHER: Now, this is toxic in Florida. I`m not saying Romney will
lose Florida. I`m saying as of today, he has less chance of carrying it
than he did before, which is one reason why he went to Florida himself. He
didn`t send Ryan to Florida.

And I think it`s fairly obvious it`s one reason he didn`t go to
Orlando. The Romney campaign felt they were losing over the summer. They
started the summer maybe a slight favorite, at least even money. They had
a terrible summer.

Now, I`m not saying they believe the wheels were coming off and the
axle was dragging, but they certainly had a coughing engine. So they
wanted a game changer. They have gotten that game changer.

It is a risk for Romney, but a risk he apparently felt he had to take,
which before this vice presidential nominee, Romney`s target was Obama`s
failures. Now, the target at least for the time being, and I think it will
carry through convention time, is what about this Ryan that he picked?
What does it tell us?

I think it`s also indicative when he announced the selection of Ryan,
Romney was all for Ryan. I`m for him. He`s my guy. He and I are

But the time he got to the "60 Minutes" appearance, 48 hours or less
afterward, he had changed once again. I would submit again rightly or
wrongly, this plays into the perception that Romney goes this way and that
way, that he`s a flip-flopper.

Another thing about the ticket that hasn`t been talked about much, I
think he picked Ryan partly because he was Roman Catholic. He felt he
needed a Catholic on the ticket to help him with the Republican base.

But this is the first ticket, presidential and vice presidential
ticket that any party in the history of the country has not had a
Protestant on the ticket.

MADDOW: Obama is a Protestant. The first Republican ticket, right?

RATHER: The first Republican ticket that didn`t include at least one
Protestant. Now, whether that plays out one or the other in campaign, but
I think "The New York Times" pointed out Sunday and so did some others,
it`s also true that neither of the candidates in the Republican ticket have
any military service, nor do they have any foreign policy background.

Again, it may not matter as the campaign unfolds, but it`s something
to keep in mind as it goes down.

And allow me to say that we`re talking about the vice president, these
are the dog political days of summer, what else are we going to talk about?
And it`s well and good that we talk about the economy and the future fiscal
health of the country, but we still have a war in Afghanistan, which rarely
gets mentioned by either one of the candidates, either one of the
campaigns. A possible war looming with Iran, either led by Israel or not

So there are other factors besides just who the vice presidential
candidate is and the economy.

I still maintain Romney can win the election, but the odds today
because of the Ryan appointment are a little less than the last time we

MADDOW: Dan Rather, the anchor and managing editor of "Dan Rather
Reports" on Access TV -- I will say the latest program is an original
program on the Northwest passage called a "Crack in the Ice," which airs
tomorrow at 11:00 p.m. Eastern. Dan, I think it`s one of the great honors
and privileges of my job that for some reason you will come in here and
talk to me about politics, from time to time, I really love having you

RATHER: Thank you very much. I`m honored to be here. Thank you so
much. Thank you, Rachel.

MADDOW: Paul Ryan`s spot on the ticket will help with one
constituency. Hasn`t been talked about much lately, but if there are women
voters who are psyched about Republican policy on women`s rights, if you`re
already psyched, Paul Ryan has some policy positions for you.

This is undercovered as yet, but I think it`s going to end up being
really important. That`s next.


MADDOW: In 2008, Colorado voted on personhood. Colorado residents
were asked that year if they would like to ban all abortions, as well as
the most popular forms of birth control, as well as in vitro fertilization,
and maybe also to criminalize some women`s miscarriages. Colorado voters
said no to that by a three to one margin. The effort to criminalize
abortion and birth control by IVF, which means declaring a fertilized egg
to be a personhood just got crushed in Colorado in 2008.

Then the personhood folks gave it another shot two years later in
2010. How`s about it, Colorado? No. When given a second chance for
personhood for fertilized eggs, Colorado said no again -- again by a huge
margin, by more than 40 points.

But they`re doing it again. The anti-abortion, anti-birth control
personhood folks have already turned in enough signatures to get the
personhood amendment back on the Colorado ballot this fall, again -- which
obviously is good news for Democrats running for office in Colorado this

I mean, think about it. If you`re a Colorado Democrat and you`re
worried that the presidential race or your race won`t be enough to get your
voters to come out to the vote -- come out to polls, how about the prospect
of banning birth control? You think that might motivate some folks who
would otherwise not bother to turn out?

Because they can read polls, too, Colorado Republicans this time, even
the super conservatives, super anti-abortion Colorado Republicans are
sprinting away from this personhood thing as fast as they can. A spokesman
for Republican Congressman Mike Coffman tells the "Colorado Statesman",
"The congressman doesn`t take positions on any state and local ballot

Same goes for Republican Congressman Corey Gardner`s office. Quote,
"As a federal legislator, Cory will not be taking positions on state

Even Republican congressional candidate Joe Coors says he`s refusing
to endorse personhood 3.0 in Colorado. The same Joe Coors donated $1,000
to the personhood campaign just two years ago.

But this year, as a candidate, person what, person who? Leave me out
of it.

Another one of the personhood measures was on the ballot in
Mississippi last fall. If it can pass anywhere, right? In October of last
year, Mike Huckabee was one of the political celebrities trying to pass the
personhood in Mississippi, to try to criminalize abortion and hormonal
birth control. In that capacity, on his FOX News TV show, Mike Huckabee
asked Mitt Romney if he would have supported personhood in Massachusetts.


MIKE HUCKABEE, FOX NEWS: Would you have supported the constitutional
amendment that would have established the definition of life at concession?

ROMNEY: Absolutely.


MADDOW: Absolutely. That was Mitt Romney, October of last year,
signing on to a policy that would ban all abortions with no exceptions for
rape or incest. It would ban most forms of birth control. It would likely
ban in vitro fertilization.

That`s what Mitt Romney said he would absolutely support as of October
of last year. But in Mississippi, a totally grassroots opposition movement
grew up around this issue. Personhood opponents held a "save the pill"
rally in Oxford, Mississippi, in October. Billboards like this one went up
around the state. "Vote no to personhood for eggs," and Amendment 26 makes
birth control a lethal weapon.

And with that, Mississippi said no to personhood by a big double digit
margin. That`s Mississippi.

The thing Mitt Romney said he would absolutely support was so extreme
not even the uber conservative electorate of the great state of Mississippi
wanted anything to do with it.

The Romney campaign has been trying to run away from the position Mr.
Romney took ever since he took it. When the Obama campaign started running
ran last month attacking Mr. Romney for holding exactly that position, for
advocating a ban on all apportion with no exceptions, the Romney campaign
push back was immediate. They called the ads viciously negative and false.

In order to prove it was false, they pointed to another time last
summer when Mitt Romney said something different about his position on

The Romney campaign did not want Mr. Romney to be seen as the guy who
wants to ban all abortion with no exceptions -- even though he has said he
would like to do that. And it`s empirically proven to be a massively
unpopular position even in the reddest of the red states. That`s one of
the reasons why Paul Ryan is such a baffling choice for the Romney ticket.

Congressman Paul Ryan, now presumptive vice presidential nominee Paul
Ryan, co-sponsored a bill in the House that is a federal version of the
personhood amendment. The abortion and hormonal birth control ban, the
same one that even Mississippi voters rejected last fall. How would you
like it for the whole country?

The national personhood bill that Paul Ryan co-sponsored declares
that, quote, "the life of each human being begins with fertilization,
cloning, or its functional equivalent, at which time each human being
should have all the legal and constitutional attributes and privileges of

And they get really specific about when precisely an egg becomes a
person. Quote, "The term fertilization means the process of a human
spermatozoan penetrating the cell membrane of a human oocyte to create a
human zygote, a one-celled human embryo which is a new unique human being.

That`s Paul Ryan. That`s Paul Ryan`s bill, that`s who Mitt Romney put
on the ticket.

Things did not work out well for Republicans when they tried to
campaign against health insurance covering birth control earlier this year.
After a lot of bluster over it and a failed vote in the Senate, the House
Republican leadership tried quietly to walk away from the issue. If you
like how it went when Republicans invade against insurance coverage for
birth control this year, how do you think it`s going to go now that a
federal ban on the most popular forms of birth control has just been put on
the Republican presidential ticket?

Are Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan both going to campaign on Paul Ryan`s
proposed national ban on most in vitro fertilization and the most popular
forms of birth control in the country?

When they announced the vice presidential pick, it was sort of surreal
to see Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell there, right, introducing Mitt
Romney and Paul Ryan.

The whole thing was staged in front of a decommissioned battleship in
Virginia. I mean, there is Bob McDonnell, who hails for a true swing
state, who has real executive experience, who actually served in the
military, which makes it not embarrassing for him to be using that
battleship as a political prop, why couldn`t Mitt Romney have picked him?

Well, of course, Mitt Romney couldn`t pick him because Bob McDonnell
blew his chances when he became governor ultrasound, right? Forcing
medically unnecessary ultra sounds on Virginia women and forcing them to
pay for it. Yes, Bob McDonnell blew it.

And so, Mitt Romney instead went with the budget want guy, with none
of that baggage. Except, of course, Paul Ryan is not just the budget wonk
guy. In addition to his sponsoring the ban on all abortions and the most
popular forms of birth control and most in vitro fertilization for the
whole country, in Congress, this session, Congressman Ryan has also
supported a federal version of Bob McDonnell`s Virginia forced ultrasound
bill. He sponsored a federal bill to force women seeking an abortion to
undergo a medical procedure regardless of whether or not they want it,
regardless of whether or not their doctor thinks it`s the right decision,
but just because the government says you have to.

The latest NBC/"Wall Street Journal" poll has Mitt Romney losing women
to President Obama by 15 points. So I guess now is as good a time as any
to welcome congressman ultrasound to the Republican ticket.


MADDOW: The crucial swing state of Ohio is famous for its
horrendously long lines to vote in the `04 election. In Ohio, Republicans
this year have not only cut the last three days of early voting. They have
changed the rules county by county so big Republican leaning counties will
be able to early vote on night and weekends, but big Democratic counties
will not. Here is how the "Columbus Dispatch" explained it this weekend.

Four years ago, more than 60 percent of the voters in Butler and
Warren Counties backed John McCain. This year, both counties, the biggest
two in Ohio to go for the Republican candidate are staying open extra hours
on weekends and Saturdays so their voters can cast early voters.

In that same year, voters in Ohio`s two largest counties overall,
Cuyahoga and Franklin Counties went for Democrat Barack Obama by 60 percent
or more. But election offices in those two predominantly Democratic
counties will be open for early voting only during regular business hours
on weekdays and not at all on Saturdays.

So, night and weekend voting will be available to you in Ohio if
you`re likely to be a Republican voter, but not if you`re likely to be a
Democratic voter.

The Ohio press is now getting all over this. The new editorial in
"Toledo Blade" calls Ohioan Republicans for, quote, "a new poll tax and
back door voter suppression." And the Republican Secretary of State John
Husted facing that kind of pressure is now telling "The Columbus Dispatch"
that he`s considering establishing standardized early voting hours across
the state, the same in every county. This is after he personally
intervened as secretary of state to make sure the Democratic counties would
have fewer hours. But now, under this pressure from Ohio press, he says
he`s thinking about reversing it, considering it.

We have been covering the story about Ohio voting rights for about a
week now. Ohio Republican Secretary of State John Husted had agreed to
come on the program for an interview this week. He`s apparently changed
his mind. His office telling us today he`s backing out.


MADDOW: Before Paul Ryan, there was Newt Gingrich. In 1995, then-
House Speaker Newt Gingrich wanted to voucherize Medicare. He wanted to
privatize it. As "The L.A. Times" reported back then, Gingrich predicted
that Congress would undertake a major reform of Medicare. One alternative
would be a voucher program in which beneficiaries would choose among
several competing private health plans. So Medicare goes away, grandma
gets a coupon and a prayer and a visit to the private insurance market.

Before Paul Ryan ever proposed getting rid of Medicare that way, Newt
Gingrich did it en1995, ands that is an underappreciated part of why we got
four more years of President Bill Clinton in 1996. The president tied Newt
Gingrich and his voucher Medicare stuff like a lead weight to Bob Dole`s
neck in the `96 election.


AD NARRATOR: Against Medicare again, Dole/Gingrich tried to cut $270
billion. Bob Dole, wrong in the past, Wrong for our future.


MADDOW: The Dole/Gingrich then -- Romney/Ryan this year. That`s what
the Democrats were going to do anyway. Now it`s a lot easier.

Bill Clinton won a second term in `96, of course.

Another poster child for privatizing the social safety net is this


GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER U.S. PRESIDENT: You ask do I feel free. Let
me put it to you this way. I earned capital in the campaign, political
capital. And now I intend to spend it. It is my style and I`m going to
spend it for what I told the people I would spend it on, which is you`ve
heard the agenda -- Social Security and tax reform and moving this economy


MADDOW: President Bush after winning re-election in 2004 declaring
his election a mandate, vowing to push through privatizing Social Security.
The country not only said no to that, the country threw up a little bit in
their mouth as they said no to it. The more Bush talked about privatizing
Social Security, the less popular it got. And then Republicans paid for it
at the polls.

While that was under way, it was Congressman Paul Ryan who was pushing
an even more radical version of Social Security privatization in the House
of Representatives. Paul Ryan`s Social Security Personal Savings Guarantee
and Prosperity Act of 2005 was an even more radical version of Bush`s
privatization of Social Security. Privatizing Social Security went nowhere
in the mid `90s, excuse me, in the mid-2000s. But Paul Ryan managed to
keep his seat in the House through the great Republican congressional
purges that followed this era in 2006 and 2008.

Paul Ryan also kept the idea of privatizing Social Security and
Medicare alive. In 2008, with his road map for America`s future, Paul Ryan
resurrected the old Newt Gingrich plan to kill Medicare by privatizing it
and replacing it with vouchers. He also called for privatizing Social
Security. That was 2008.

In 2010, Paul Ryan tried again. a new version of his road map, and a
splashy new Web site to launch it. Guess what was still in the plan? A
Medicare overhaul that "The Wall Street Journal" of all papers accused of
essentially ending Medicare as we know it -- privatizing Medicare,
replacing it with vouchers. That, of course, became an effective political
weapon for Democrats, at least the ones who chose to wield it in the 2010
mid elections.

In April of last year, Ryan changed the title of the plan. He dumped
the "road map" name and went with something maybe a little slower. This is
not a road map but a path to prosperity. It was only in this brand new
version, the 2011 version of the plan, that he finally dropped the idea of
privatizing Social Security.

He kept the partial privatization of Medicare. He said to Ryan Lizza
of "The New Yorker" that he had to compromise. That his original road map
idea, quote, "was just me unplugged."

Well, now, we are at today -- day three of the Romney/Ryan ticket.
And on day three, here`s how Mr. Romney has been trying to handle the hot
potato subject of Paul Ryan unplugged, of his running mate`s record.

Mr. Romney has been trying to muddy the waters, trying to say that
it`s not his running mate who has proposed gutting Medicare. That`s the
other guy.


ROMNEY: The president`s idea, for instance, for Medicare was to cut
it by $700 billion.


ROMNEY: That`s not the right answer. We want to make sure that we
preserve and protect Medicare.


MADDOW: The $700 billion cut for Medicare that the Republicans are
very excited about, whatever you think about that as a cut, it`s the same
$700 billion cut that is in the Paul Ryan plan, which not only preserves
those cuts, but also would turn it into a coupon program, privatizing
Medicare and thereby getting rid of what we think of as Medicare.

You cannot muddy the waters on Paul Ryan and Medicare. Killing
Medicare is why Paul Ryan is famous at all. That is the thing he is known
for and you picked him knowing that. If you pick the guy who really,
really, really, really in his heart of hearts wants to privatize Social
Security and privatize Medicare, no matter how much it costs politically or
otherwise, if you pick that guy to be one heart beat away from the
presidency, then you have to answer for it.

We`ll have more for what Paul Ryan means for Medicare and Social
Security with Jared Bernstein, who joins us next.


MADDOW: The Republicans have picked as their vice presidential
nominee the most visible proponent among congressional Democrats of the
privatization of Social Security and the privatization of Medicare. What
could possibly go wrong?

Joining us now is Jared Bernstein. He`s senior fellow at the Center
on Budget and Policy Priorities. He`s also an MSNBC and CNBC contributor.

Jared, it`s nice to see you. Thanks for being here.


MADDOW: The Republicans have decided they`re not going to answer
questions about Paul Ryan`s proposal to privatize Medicare. They`re saying
that`s not Mitt Romney`s proposal. It`s just Paul Ryan`s and by the way,
it`s Obama who is going after Medicare.

What do you make of their effort to make this President Obama`s
problem and not their own?

BERNSTEIN: Well, I`m very happy to answer that question. The point
you made earlier is the key one. The $700 billion in Medicare cuts you
just heard Mitt Romney complain about, that`s been in the Paul Ryan budget
for years now. And it still is.

The difference is that President Obama and the affordable care act
takes those savings from Medicare and plows them back into helping 30-plus
million people get insurance coverage -- whereas on the Republican side, in
the Ryan plan, something Romney very much embraces, those resources, though
cuts, $700 billion, same number, go to tax cuts primarily for the most
wealthy. So it`s big-time Robin Hood in reverse, around a program that is
critically important to seniors` retirement security.

MADDOW: One of the things that has the most political salience of the
entire second George W. Bush term in office was his failed effort to
privatize Social Security. We just played a clip of him after the `04
election where he got elected saying he intended to spend his political
capital from that election on selling the public on the privatization of
Social Security. Paul Ryan was the guy in the House for the Republicans
who was pushing for the same thing.

One of the things that was interesting, though, was that in Paul
Ryan`s version of it, it would cost $2 trillion in government spending
costs to move Social Security into a privatized system. Did he ever
propose paying for that $2 trillion? Did he think that should just be
deficit finance?

BERNSTEIN: No, it was the -- very much the same kind of problem that
we`re seeing in the rest of his fiscal plan.

I mean, why this guy has a reputation as a fiscal hawk is really
beyond me. Because, absolutely, I mean, one of the things that we first
recognized when he trotted out the Social Security privatization is that
the transition costs to these private accounts would have precisely the
effect you suggested. And now that we`re talking about Medicare, as we
said earlier, if you`re going to cut taxes to the tune of $9-plus trillion,
the Bush tax cuts plus the doubling down of the Romney/Ryan tax cuts over
10 years, and you`re also going to increase defense spending, there`s
absolutely no way you can do that without jamming the budget deficit into
the stratosphere.

So, same problem -- and again, an underlying theme here of a real
antipathy toward social insurance. That kind of a guaranteed benefit
that`s so important in Medicare, so important in Social Security, gone
under this kind of privatization.

MADDOW: Was there any evidence during the Bush years when Mr. Ryan
was in Congress, sort of a back bench member of Congress, but a rising
star, one with a hot following in the conservative media, even at that time
-- was there any evidence of him being a fiscal hawk, of being a deficit
hawk during those years in terms of the way he voted?

BERNSTEIN: No, it was all very ideological. Sort of putting the
numbers to Ayn Rand, I guess, or something like that.

And the thing that I remember very vividly from the time of the
privatization debate under George W. Bush is that it happened to occur
during a down stock market. And that was really all it took to show people
that this privatization gamble is just a terrible idea, relative to the
guarantee d benefits under Social Security. I mean, you`re really talking
about throwing the dice when you move to the voucher or the privatization
on guaranteed benefits. And I don`t think it`s something that`s going to
fly with the public.

MADDOW: Jared Bernstein, senior fellow at the senior at the Center on
Budget and Policy Priorities -- Jared, thank you very much for your time
tonight. I appreciate it.

BERNSTEIN: Sure, Rachel.

MADDOW: All right. Remember all that talk about tax returns and how
much certain Republican presidential candidates have paid over the last 10
years or so in taxes? Well, the Paul Ryan announcement certainly changed
the course of that conversation, but definitely not in the way the
Republican ticket intended it to. That`s next.


MADDOW: Up until Friday night, the central idea of the Mitt Romney
for president campaign was under some real pressure. The central idea, of
course, was this: count on the economy being bad, blame President Obama for
that, and present Mr. Romney as a somewhat generic, not-Obama alternative -
- a businessman, a job-creating economic fix-it guy.

The problem for the Romney campaign is that the Romney campaign was
not able to define Mr. Romney as such before the Obama campaign defined
him. The Obama campaign replaced that image of Mitt Romney as a generic
business guy with a not-generic image of Mitt Romney as a hugely wealthy,
financier investor, who devoted himself, more than anything, to the
avoidance of paying taxes.

The unexpected star of the effort to portray Mr. Romney that way was
the usually soft-spoken Democratic Senate majority leader, Harry Reid.


before this body wanted to be a cabinet officer, he couldn`t be if he did
the same refusal Mitt Romney does about tax returns. So the word`s out
that he hasn`t paid any taxes for 10 years. Let him prove that he has paid
taxes, because he hasn`t.


MADDOW: Now, in fairness, Harry Reid`s accusation has no visible
basis in fact. Senator Reid says a Bain investor told him that Mitt Romney
had paid no taxes in 10 years, but Senator Reid offer nod proof of that.

The Romney campaign, of course, went apoplectic. The Republican Party
chairman called Harry Reid not just a liar, but a dirty liar. Mr. Romney
himself said, of course he had paid taxes. He said he had paid a lot of

But he also said, we had to take his word on it. Trust him. And
everything we do know about Mr. Romney and his taxes, both in his business
life and his personal life, does show rather heroic efforts to avoid paying
taxes. But he says he will not show his taxes to anyone. We just have to
trust him on it. And so, everybody has just kept wondering what the deal
is with Mitt Romney and his taxes.

Then, as of one minute after midnight, Friday night into Saturday,
Mitt Romney picked Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan. Paul Ryan! The budget
guy with the blue eyes and the ripped abs. Now everybody would certainly
talk about that, right? Talk about Paul Ryan and not Mitt Romney and his
taxes and his tax returns.

It did not work out like that.


BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS NEWS: How many years of tax returns did you turn
over to the campaign?

RYAN: Well, it was a very exhaustive vetting process. It`s a
confidential vetting process, so it was several years, but I`m going to
release the same amount of years as Governor Romney has. But I`ve got to
tell you, Bob --

SCHIEFFER: And how many was that?

RYAN: Two. I`m going to be releasing two, which is what he`s

What I hear from people around this country, they`re not asking, where
are the tax returns?


MADDOW: Not to be pushy, but where are the tax returns? Because
however implausible the Romney folks wanted us to think it was, when Harry
Reid said the rich guy Mitt Romney was paying zero taxes, however wacky
they tried to make that seem, the new problem on the tax return thing for
the Romney campaign is that in picking Paul Ryan as his would-be vice
president, under Paul Ryan`s tax plan, Mitt Romney really would pay zero in
taxes. It`s not exactly true. He would pay zero taxes on the more than
$20 million we know he made from Bain in 2010.

The only thing he would pay taxes on is the money he made giving
speeches and writing a book. So on over $20 million in income for the one
year when we know what his taxes were, Mitt Romney under Paul Ryan`s plan
would pay less than 1 percent in taxes.

So now the tax return issue for Mitt Romney is worse than it was
before. Before he wanted us to trust him, that, of course, he had never
paid zero in taxes. Now, he has just picked a vice president who would
ensure that Mitt Romney, in fact, paid basically zero in taxes.

So does that make you trust him more or less about him saying he paid
plenty of taxes over the past 10 years? Are you more likely to believe
that or are you less likely to believe it? And maybe wanting to bolster
your belief in it by actually seeing some evidence?

This tax returns problem just got worse for Mitt Romney and not

That does it for us today. We`ll see you again tomorrow night. Now,
it`s time for "THE LAST WORD" with Lawrence O`Donnell. Have a good one.


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