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The Ed Show for Wednesday, August 22nd, 2012

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August 22, 2012

Guests: Terry O`Neill, Bob Shrum, Jonathan Alter, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Warren Sapp

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW, live from Minneapolis.

Seventy-six days until the 2012 election. Paul Ryan is desperately
trying to run from his radical past. Tonight, we`ll expose brand new
details of Ryan`s Akin problem.

This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.


REPORTER: You sponsored legislation that has the language forcible
rape. What is forcible rape?


SCHULTZ: The party of no exceptions is scrambling over forcible rape.
Tonight, we`ll show you why the presidential ticket can run but they can`t
hide from their radical positions.

Todd Akin tells his party`s nominee for president to mind his own

REP. TODD AKIN (R), MISSOURI: Why couldn`t he run his race and I run

SCHULTZ: Michael Steele and Bob Shrum on the explosion of Republican
hypocrisy before the Tampa convention.

will, my plan presents no change.

SCHULTZ: The "New York Times" exposes another Mitt Romney lie on
Medicare. We will correct the white board again tonight.

And the president is sacking Mitt Romney on his education plan.

we`ve got enough teachers. We don`t need anymore.

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Super Bowl champion Warren Sapp on the president,
Republicans, and how public education helped make him an NLF legend.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for

Congressman Paul Ryan was supposed to bolster the Romney campaign`s
standing with social conservatives, but with Congressman Todd Akin, Todd
Akin, in the news, suddenly, Paul Ryan is running away from his core

Here`s the vice presidential candidate being interviewed in


PAUL: His statements were outrageous, over the pale. I don`t know
anyone who would agree with that. Rape is rape, period, end of story.


SCHULTZ: Really? The interviewer was quick to spot Paul Ryan`s
inconsistent definition of rape.


REPORTER: You sponsored legislation that has the language forcible
rape. What is forcible rape?

PAUL: Rape is rape. Rape is rape period, end of story.

REPORTER: That forcible rape language meant nothing to you at the

PAUL: Rape is rape. And there`s no splitting hairs over rape.


SCHULTZ: The Paul Ryan of today sounds no different than President
Obama did on Monday.


OBAMA: Rape is rape. And the idea that we should be parsing and
qualifying and slicing what types of rape we`re talking about doesn`t make
sense to the American people.


SCHULTZ: But Paul Ryan of the past 13 years in Congress sounds a heck
of a lot different.

Ryan says rape is rape. He says that today. But just three years
ago, he introduced forcible rape in congressional legislation for the first
time. Now, the amendment redefined rape to make it harder for women to
have an abortion. As NBC`s Kelly O`Donnell reported today, Ryan and only
one other cosponsor, Congressman Sam Johnson of Texas, proposed a change to
health care legislation.

The language of the amendment limited abortion exceptions unless the
pregnancy is the result of forcible rape or incest. Now, a year later, the
forcible rape language found itself into a House bill, which also narrowed
the definition of rape to make abortions illegal in nearly all cases. Ryan
and Todd Akin were one of 186 cosponsors of that bill.

Today, Ryan is claiming that he was just following the crowd when it
came to this legislation.


REPORTER: You cosponsored abortion-related legislation with
Congressman Akin. Do you regret that now?

RYAN: That bill passed I think by 251 votes. It was bipartisan.


SCHULTZ: Keep in mind, only three years ago, Ryan was one of two
Republicans to introduce the term forcible rape into abortion legislation.
This was not a sweeping bipartisan initiative by any stretch of the
imagination, but Paul Ryan has a history of hiding who he really is when it
comes to his anti-choice agenda.

When Ryan was running for Congress, "The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel"
reported this, "Ryan has consistently opposed legal abortion and makes only
one exception, cases in which a doctor deems an abortion necessary to save
the mother`s life. He favors overturning the Supreme Court`s landmark Roe
v. Wade decision that made most abortions legal."

Now, but a year later, Ryan was on the House floor railing against the
exception for the health of the mother.


RYAN: The health exception is a loophole wide enough to drive a Mack
truck through it. The health exception would render this ban virtually


RYAN: Republicans are holding Paul Ryan up as a man of very strong
convictions, but he refuses to give direct and consistent answers about his
anti-choice record.


REPORTER: Should abortions be available to women who are raped?

PAUL: Well, look, I`m proud of my pro-life record. And I stand by my
pro-life record in Congress. It`s something I`m proud of, but Mitt Romney
is the top of the ticket, and Mitt Romney will be president, and he will
set the policy of the Romney administration.


SCHULTZ: What`s happening here? Ryan is taking cover behind Mitt

But wait a minute, Mitt Romney`s record on abortion, that`s got a few
holes in it, too. Ryan might as well take cover behind a chain-link fence
if he`s going to be hanging around Romney. Ryan told reporters that Mitt
Romney`s position on abortion will win out in the end?


PAUL: Mitt Romney is going to be the president. The president sets
the policy. His policy is exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother.
I`m comfortable with it because it`s a good step in the right direction.


SCHULTZ: Now, if you`re Paul Ryan, it`s easy to say Mitt Romney has
taken steps in the right direction. Just last year, Romney showed the
world how quickly he`s prepared to drop his support for any exceptions in
abortion cases.


MIKE HUCKABEE, FOX NEWS: Would you have supported the constitutional
amendment that would have established the definition of life at conception?



SCHULTZ: The amendment Romney will absolutely sign would basically
outlaw all abortions if Roe v. Wade is overturned. That`s really the end
game for the conservatives, my friends. Overturn Roe v. Wade, that`s what
they want. Pass a human life amendment, have a president sign it.

Until Todd Akin opened his big fat mouth, conservatives -- well, they
didn`t talk really in the wide open about this, did they? They kind of
tip-toed around it like Romney did with Mike Huckabee.


ROMNEY: My view is that the Supreme Court should reverse roe v. Wade
and send back to the states the responsibility for deciding whether they`re
going to have abortion legal in their state or fought.

HUCKABEE: That to me would be a real challenge to just say reversing
Roe v. Wade makes us pro life when in fact it gives all the states a chance
to decide geographically what is moral and what is immoral.

ROMNEY: Well, I think we have to decide what politically has the
greatest potential of being successful.


SCHULTZ: Ooh, Romney`s last quote should be really his campaign
slogan, don`t you think? We have to decide what politically has the
greatest potential of being successful.

For Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan, keeping quiet on their abortion
positions has the greatest potential of being successful. In order to get
what they want. They will hide their true beliefs from the American

Here is the bottom line. As far as the vice presidential candidate is
concerned, Paul Ryan, he`s as radical as you want him to be, if he can get
away with it. And he`ll bring Mitt Romney too because of the conservative
pressure out there.

Romney wants to be president really bad. He`ll say whatever he has to
say, and if he has to satisfy the right wing by going along with a zealot
view on abortion, he`ll do it. But because of the Akin situation down in
Missouri, this just makes it really tough to get away with right now. What
a big bump in the road on the war on women for the Republicans.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think tonight.
Tonight`s question, should voters trust the Romney ticket when it comes to
their social agenda? Text A for yes and text B for no, to 622639. You can
always go to our blog at, and we`ll bring you the results
later on in the program.

Joining me tonight is Terry O`Neill, president of the National
Organization for Women.

Terry, great to have you with us again. I think that Paul Ryan is
probably as radical as the conservatives want him to be as long as he can
get away with it. What does that tell you? Do you believe what Paul Ryan
says today? Or do you hold him to what he said as recently as two years

TERRY O`NEILL, PRESIDENT, NOW: You know, honestly, Ed, I think it`s
really hard to know where Paul Ryan stands given what he`s been saying

Now, we know that his history is that he opposes women`s access to
abortion, virtually without any exceptions. You know, you played that tape
of him complaining about a health exception to restrictions on abortion.
What that means is that a woman with breast cancer whose birth control
fails, a woman with heart disease or a woman with diabetes whose doctor
says this pregnancy is making you really sick and you need to terminate the
pregnancy, Paul Ryan wants to force that woman to continue that pregnancy.

That`s way out of step with the vast majority of voters want. In
fact, 75 percent of voters, some recent poll that I heard about, over 75
percent of voters believe that women should at least be able to access
abortion in cases of rape, not parsed out just rape or incest or for a
woman`s life. And the vast majority of voters want women to be able to
protect their health as well.

So he`s way out of step. And I think he`s sort of scrambling to try
to claim that somehow he`s not out of step. But he is.

SCHULTZ: I mean, it`s very clear to me that Paul Ryan, the vice
presidential candidate for the Republicans, is the most radical person
that`s been on the ticket since Barry Goldwater. And that was before Roe
v. Wade. I think if you give him a chance to be the biggest zealot in the
room, he`ll take that opportunity.

Which brings us to the very basic question, what would a conservative
Congress, a conservative Supreme Court, and a president that can be pulled
by conservatives mean for women? What would it mean?

SCHULTZ: Well, first of all, it would H.R. 3 would be passed into law
and signed. That is a permanent restrictions on women being able to get
insurance coverage for abortion care. Mind you, one of three women will
have an abortion by the age of 45. It`s a common and necessary aspect of
women`s reproductive health care.

But under the legislation that Paul Ryan is very eager to pass and
would pass if Romney and Ryan elected, that access to insurance coverage
would not be available. And again, women who are ill and need to terminate
a pregnancy because of illness, those abortions cost upwards of $5,000 and
more. So, their families would have to dig into their pockets.

In addition, the human life amendment which is now the Republican
platform once again, which basically criminalizes almost all abortion and
does not provide exceptions for rape or incest or even to protect a woman`s
life, let alone her health, those things would be passed into law.

SCHULTZ: It`s the Ryan/akin platform is what it is. That`s what the
GOP has in front of the American people, in front of women, and it`s really
dangerous. It`s a throw back to the `50s. No doubt.

Terry O`Neill, great to have you with us. I appreciate your time.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the
screen. Share you thoughts on Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook. We always
want to know what you the think.

Coming up, if Republicans are looking for a Republican who won`t back
down -- I mean, a guy who just will not back down? Hey, your boy Todd out
of Missouri, he`s your guy, isn`t he? But Republicans don`t want voters to
know it, at least not until after the election.

Michael Steele and Bob Shrum, with the commentary with me next. Stay
with us. We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: Coming up, the Republican Party supports Todd Akin`s stance
on abortion, so why are they running from him? Why don`t they support the
guy? Bob Shrum, Michael Steele weigh in on that next.

And President Obama stressed importance of education in Las Vegas. He
did that today with another excellent speech. Former NFL star Warren Sapp
discusses the impact of public education in his new book and he will join
me later in the show.

What does it mean to him? Share your thoughts on Facebook and on
Twitter using the #EdShow. We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.

Congressman Todd Akin should be the hero of the Republican Party. But
they`re pretending that he isn`t. At least until the election is over in

Look, there is no doubt his fellow Republicans will warmly embrace
this guy if he wins. And he may be taking friendly fire right now, but
he`s just the kind of staunch conservative right-wing zealots are looking
for. They want to guy who is not going to back down. I mean, he`s willing
to stand up to Sean Hannity two days in a row, stand up to Karl Rove, stand
up to the Republicans in his own party who are calling him, saying hey,
buddy, drop out of the race, including Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.

Today, Akin was asked if he would reconsider dropping out, if it
looked like he might lose to Senator Claire McCaskill in Missouri.


REP. TODD AKIN (R), MISSOURI: I`m never going to say everything that
can possibly happen. I don`t know the future.

But I do know this -- I knew that the party voters took a look at our
hearts, understood who we were, had a chance to meet us in many, many ways,
and made a decision. It makes me uncomfortable to think that the party
bosses are going to dictate who runs as opposed to the election process.


SCHULTZ: Well, the so-called party bosses may be looking the other
way right now. But there really is no daylight whatsoever between the real
party bosses and Akin. It`s just what he said was a problem.

The Republican National Convention has approved the human life
amendment as part of its platform which would ban abortion without
exception for rape or incest, 40 House and Senate Republicans have long
embraced a ban on abortions without exceptions for rape and incest.

Let me tell you something, folks, they love this guy. This is their
guy. This is who they want.

Here`s Akin on the "Today" show this morning.


AKIN: Let me say, this is not about me. This is not about my ego.
But it is about the voters of the state of Missouri. They have chosen me
because of principles I stand on.


SCHULTZ: No, no, no, no, no. Of course, it is about you. It`s about
that guy that you just saw. And it`s about a party that`s trying to hide
that they really do agree with him.

Let`s bring in Democratic strategist Bob Shrum and also with us
tonight, Michael Steele, former chairman of the RNC and MSNBC contributor.

Great to have you with us tonight.

Michael, let`s start with you first. Isn`t the Republican platform
planked on abortion the mainstream of the Republican Party? And isn`t it
really exactly in line with Congressman Todd Akin?

MICHAEL STEELE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: It may be in line with congressman
Todd Akin, but I believe it`s a break away from what the Republican
platform has traditionally said with respect to abortion, where a vast
majority of Republicans around the country, very strong pro-life
Republicans as well as pro-choice Republicans have always accepted the idea
of the exception with respect to life of the mother, rape, and incest.

This is a break away from that. This is a step in a different
direction. The timing in my estimation could not be worse for the Romney
campaign and for the RNC going into this convention at a time when the
economy has been the center most focus or should be to have this kind of

Now, we`ll see what the delegates do on Monday when this comes to the
floor of the convention and that vast majority of Republicans from around
the country come to convention and vote on this.

But I think right now, to the point you have made so far tonight, Ed,
that it creates a noise level that is unprecedented going into a
convention, that`s I`m sure the Romney campaign has no appreciation for,
and would like to get back to the conversation about the economy and the
Obama administration record.

SCHULTZ: And, Bob, as far as the Democrats are concerned, aren`t they
ready to pound on the table saying that this is the real Republican Party?
That Todd Akin may be a problem right now, but he`s said something out loud
what most Republicans these days really believe and doggone it, it`s going
to work its way right into the agenda of the Republican platform? What do
you make of it?

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I think a lot of Republican
officials and operatives and obviously members of Congress believe this. I
mean, that stupid bill, that outrageous bill that talks about forcible rape
got 250 votes, as Paul Ryan pointed out or something like that.

Look, Mitt Romney signed off on this Republican platform. To me, it
represents a repudiation -- and, Michael, I don`t want to get you in
trouble by saying something nice about you. It represents a repudiation of
what Michael Steele and a number of other people were trying to do, which
is create a bigger tent Republican Party.

This is becoming the pup tent Republican Party -- anti-women, anti-
Hispanic, anti-seniors with these Ryan Medicare proposals.

Michael`s right. It`s unbelievable as a political matter that they`re
not talking about the economy. But with the Ryan choice, with the Akin
emergence, the whole conversation has changed. We`re not having a
referendum election on the economy. We`re having a choice election.

Yes about how we deal with taxes and the economy, but also do we want
to outlaw common forms of birth control? Do we want to tell Hispanic
immigrants that they`re not welcome in this country? Do we want to tell
seniors we`re going to voucherize medical care?

It is truly -- Michael is right -- I have never seen a party going
into a convention in this position.

SCHULTZ: Michael, here is RNC Chairman Reince Priebus, what he is
saying about Mitt Romney calling the shots. Here it is.


REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: I think it was pretty clear that Mitt
Romney believes that everything that Todd Akin had said was unbelievably at
odds with rational thinking. He led the charge. Everyone followed suit.
We all followed Mitt Romney`s lead yesterday.


SCHULTZ: Michael, doesn`t this make Mitt Romney look weak? He`s
calling for a guy to step out of a Senate race, and then Todd Akin says,
you know what, buddy, you run your race, I`ll run mine.

STEELE: Yes, what the chairman said really doesn`t make sense in
light of the reality and the facts. You cannot say that Mitt Romney is
opposed to the language, the wording, the phraseology of Mr. Akin and then
take that very language and phraseology and put it into the platform of the
national party.

And so particularly when your nominee, he`s already made it clear that
I make exceptions on the pro-life question with respect to rape, incest,
and life of the mother.

So, to then follow that up, and I understand the chairman was quoted a
little bit earlier today saying something to the effect of -- well, you
know, that plank doesn`t apply to Mitt Romney.

Wait a minute. He`s the titular head of the party. He`s the nominee
of our party. You`re telling me that he`s going to walk into that
convention and snub his nose at the planks, this doesn`t mean anything?
This platform doesn`t mean anything?

This platform -- while you`re not held by chains and irons on it, it`s
a working document, a living document for a lot of activists around the
country. They expect their nominee to adhere to as much of it as possible.
And I think you put Mitt Romney in a difficult position. I mean, it`s just
the truth of it.

SCHULTZ: But it`s a document that the vice presidential candidate, he
would travel that road if he were given the chance.

Bob Shrum, how do the Republicans mop it up? Where is the opening for
the Democrats here? I guess keep looking at suburban women across the
country. I mean, it`s like the Republican Party is just pushing them

SHRUM: Look, if you look at Pennsylvania, for example, in 2008,
President Obama underperformed what a Democrat would normally do in the
western part of that state. But he comfortably carried the state because
he outperformed Democrats in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

What you`re seeing right now, what you`re going to be hearing is the
sound of women in those suburbs leaving the Republican Party, leaving Mitt
Romney as quickly as possible.

And by the way, Mitt Romney signed off on this platform plank. If he
didn`t want this platform plank, he could have stopped it. Michael and I
have both been involved in this for a long time. The nominee gets to

SCHULTZ: All right. Bob Shrum, Michael Steele, great to have you
with us tonight. Thanks so much.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW.

You know it, I know it. A lot of people know it. The Republicans
have been lying about Medicare for weeks. I mean, this is the Romney

But today, Paul Ryan added, we`ve got a whole new twist. He wants
voters to just ignore details because they`re just too complicated.


RYAN: It`s a big law. I could go chapter and verse, but I won`t bore
you or upset you.


SCHULTZ: It`s boring when you lose your Medicare. I got you. Don`t
worry, Mr. Ryan. We`re not bored or upset. We can handle the truth and I
think Americans can, too.

Let`s start with the Republicans` same old claim repackaged in a brand
new commercial.


NARRATOR: President Obama is raiding $716 billion from Medicare,
changing the program forever.


SCHULTZ: Didn`t we take care of this last week? That`s the
Republican lie you`re going to hear over and over again. The president is
raiding Medicare.

Here is the absolute truth. The Affordable Care Act saved $716
billion. It cut overpayments and unnecessary costs.

You know, it`s kind of like if you cut a luxury item, if you`re in a
position to be able to do that. You cut a luxury item out of your
household budget, you`re saving money. You`re not raiding your family

Romney and Ryan would be the ones raiding Medicare when they change
the law.


RYAN: Which by the way, we win, we repeal Obamacare. It`s just that
simple. It`s just that simple.


SCHULTZ: Yes, it is. It is that simple. They would take all the
savings from the Affordable Care Act and lump it in with the rest of the
sweeping budget cuts that are out there that they want to do. The Medicare
costs, you know what is going to happen to them? It`s going to shift to
the seniors.

And you don`t have to take my word for it. Today in the "New York
Times," a variety of budget and health experts say the Republican plan
would immediately add hundreds of dollars a year to out of pocket Medicare
expenses for beneficiaries.

Mitt Romney pretended to give voters the details last week with his
white board. But of course he keeps spelling out the same old lie. Let me
put it to you this way: a range of experts tells the "New York Times"
Romney`s plan would cost seniors hundreds of dollars a year over the next

It is really that simple. This is not complicated. But here is where
I think the Republicans are going. There`s a lot of seniors in our society
who are not tech savvy, that -- I`m not just dissing anybody. I think it`s
a generational fact here in the information age. A lot of them aren`t tech
savvy and they don`t have it at their fingertips, maybe the way a lot of
people do, if you know what I mean, the truth.

So they buy into thee sound bites. They buy into these commercials.
They`re buying into the lies. It`s the job of every journalists to make
sure that the truth is told.

I`m joined tonight by Jonathan Alter, MSNBC political analyst and
columnist for "Bloomberg View." Great to have you with us, Jonathan. You
have been on this from day one.

It seems like the game plan is just go try to fool as many seniors as
they can. Your thoughts on this.

JONATHAN ALTER, "BLOOMBERG VIEW": That is the game plan. And it
worked in 2010. So it`s quite scary for a lot of Democrats. They see that
in those days, in 2010, instead of using 716 billion dollars in cuts, they
used a more accurate figure, 500 billion, although it was savings. They
made it seem as if seniors were going to lose 500 billion from their

It worked. That`s largely why they took the House back in 2010. The
problem with it is it`s not true. Just to get down into the weeds for just
a second because it`s really important to do this, Ed. What it did was it
stopped overpayments to providers and insurance companies through a program
called Medicare Advantage.

There wasn`t a dime of benefits that were cut for seniors from basic
Medicare by Obamacare. Actually, Obamacare did a lot for seniors,
particularly closing what`s called the doughnut hole, which is a quirk in
the old law, pre-Obamacare law that required seniors to out of pocket pay
hundreds of dollars a year for prescription drugs.

They also, under the previous law, had to pay for screening and
preventive care that would save them a lot of money. So if Obamacare is
repealed, just to finish this, because the details are extremely important
and they`re not well understood -- if Obamacare is repealed, the doughnut
hole will open again, seniors will have to pay hundreds of dollars out of
pocket for prescription drugs.

They will no longer be covered for these preventive care procedures.
And it will, as those economists and health care experts said in the "New
York Times" -- it will cost seniors.

So what you have here is you have one party that is saying things that
are untrue about the president, putting millions of dollars from super PACs
and the Romney campaign behind it. And we`ll see if seniors can be fooled
in this election.

SCHULTZ: And there`s 51 percent of the voters out there don`t really
have an opinion of what the Republican Medicare plan is, which I think is a
dangerous number, because they could sway a lot of people with the lies
that they`re throwing out there.

ALTER: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: Jonathan Alter, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks
so much.

There`s a lot more coming up in the next half hour of THE ED SHOW.
Stay with us.


OBAMA: Republicans in Congress let -- no, no, no. Don`t boo. Vote.



SCHULTZ: The Republican obstruction in Congress leads to a dire
warning from the Congressional Budget Office about a double-dip recession.
The Romney camp is whacking the president on it. And tonight, Senator
Barbara Boxer is here to whack back.

Paranoia from the bench inch Texas, where a judge is talking about
civil wear if the president wins re-election.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war,


SCHULTZ: And President Obama is nailing Mitt Romney`s attack on
public educators.


OBAMA: Governor Romney says we`ve got enough teachers. We don`t need
any more.


SCHULTZ: Tonight, Super Bowl Champ Warren Sapp on President Obama,
athletics and politics, and how public education helped make him an NFL


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. The Congressional Budget
Office is out with a brand new report. And Republicans are using it to
attack President Obama and the economy. Of course, the GOP fails to
mention their obstructionist tactics and the part they have played in this
big problem we have with America`s economy right now.

But the CBO says the country is on track for a recession, a double-dip
recession next year, if Congress continues to do nothing. The nonpartisan
office projects the so-called fiscal cliff, a one-two punch of tax hikes
and spending cuts, will slow growth and increase unemployment. On January
1st, 2013, the Bush tax cuts expire, along with the stimulus tax cuts, the
payroll tax cuts, and the business investment tax cuts.

There`s a lot on the table. At the same time, spending will decrease
by about 100 billion dollars, all of which could trigger a double-dip

Well, Republicans see a big opening to jump start their narrative on
the economy. The Romney/Ryan campaign issuing this statement today:
"today`s CBO report is another indictment of President Obama`s economic
policies that have resulted in over-spending, increased debt, and a growing
financial burden on the next generation."

Yet when Senate Democrats passed a measure on extending tax cuts for
98 percent of Americans, House Republicans, they shot the plan down. The
automatic spending cuts will kick in as a result of Congress failing to
work out a deal on deficit reduction. The White House is urging action on
both fronts and hitting the Republicans for their obstructionist tactics.

"They`re willing to hold the middle class hostage unless we also give
massive new tax cuts to millionaires and billionaires, tax cuts we can`t
afford that would do nothing to strengthen the economy."

We`re joined tonight with Barbara Boxer, senator of California, here
on THE ED SHOW. Senator, good to have you with us tonight.

This CBO report, we can see what the Republicans are going to do with
it. They`re going to walk right down memory lane saying that President
Obama spent a lot of money, President Obama doesn`t have an idea on how to
run the economy. They`re going to use this, no doubt, to get the narrative
going on the economy for Mitt Romney, which they have had a hard time

But doesn`t this put, in some sense, the Democrats on the defensive?
And is this a tough report to read right now? How do you conclude what`s
in this report?

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D), CALIFORNIA: Well, having lived through all of
this fiscal nightmare, I want to say a couple things. If the Republicans
had cooperated with President Obama when he said, I have a way to do a big
deal here, to really get us on that fiscal path, to be fair, to make sure
that we invest in our people at the same time reduce this deficit in a
sensible way, we would have been in a different situation.

But Paul Ryan, it`s been reported, was one of the leaders who said
they didn`t want to have anything to do with the president. Here`s why.
They want tax breaks for millionaires and billionaires. President Obama
supports giving everybody a tax cut up to 250,000, so everyone`s taxes --
everyone who pays taxes in this country, that first 250,000 of income, they
will get the Bush tax cuts. Over 250,000, the Clinton tax cuts, those
rates will kick in.

And that`s why they will not go along with us. Remember, they held
the debt ceiling hostage, which was awful. We got a downgrade on our bonds
because of it. And they`re the ones who pushed this automatic spending
cuts. And we could take that off the table, those automatic spending cuts
that`s part of the fiscal cliff, by bringing home the money from the wars,
which is President Obama`s idea, because he`s bringing those wars to a
close, and also making sure that we give that first 250,000, the tax break,
but after that, everyone pays the Clinton rates.

That fiscal cliff is over. So they can say everything they want. But
I think people will know who`s been obstructing.

SCHULTZ: Well, will the Republicans do the right thing and act on
these tax cuts and spending cuts? Or are they going to hang the economy
out there and blame it on the Democrats?

BOXER: Oh, I think that -- it seems to me they want to put everything
off until after the election. And we actually in the Senate -- we were
able to do something I think that was very smart with Harry Reid`s
leadership. We were able to get them to stand down from the filibuster and
we passed that tax cut. Everybody gets it up to 250,000. After that,
Clinton tax cuts kick in for those over 250,000.

We passed that with a majority vote. And they`re sitting on it and
won`t do it.

SCHULTZ: But the CBO report paints a very tough picture in January of
2013. And this is going to be an argument that the Democrats are going to
have to win with the public, is it not? This really squarely puts the
focus back on winning this argument. How do the Democrats win that

BOXER: As I said, number one, President Obama had the plan. If they
had stayed at the table, we would not have any problems. He also had a
jobs bill, the second jobs bill. They walked away from it. The Democrats
in the Senate already passed the tax cuts, but we`re asking people over
250,000, after the 250,000 in income to pay a little more. They walked

I don`t worry about this because everybody knows we have seen more
filibusters in the United States Senate than ever before. Everything we
try to do.

SCHULTZ: Ever before, no question.

BOXER: So I think what we need to do is just get this done before the

SCHULTZ: Senator, you`ve got a petition out demanding to see Mitt
Romney`s tax returns. I understand almost 100,000 people have signed this.
And you have delivered it to his office in California. Is this a hot issue
with senators on the Democratic side? Is full disclosure really what this
is about?

BOXER: It`s a hot issue with my constituents. And we didn`t deliver
the petition yet. We`re just announcing it on your show that we`re going
to deliver it tomorrow. And I hope people who want to join us will go to, and sign.

Because, you know, father knows best. His dad said 12 years of income
tax returns. That`s what you should do, son. He talked to all of us. He
said if you run for president, you have to do that. And I think we know
that Mitt Romney shipped jobs overseas by the tens of thousands. Did he
also ship his money overseas?

And I want to know that. And my constituents want to know that.

SCHULTZ: Senator, good to have you with us tonight. Appreciate your
time on THE ED SHOW. California Senator Barbara Boxer here with us

Coming up, the judge with a conspiracy theory the size of Texas. Find
out why he`s afraid Lubbock County will be invaded and what he promises to
do to stop it. That`s next.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. A judge in Lubbock County,
Texas, called for just a minor tax hike and ended up getting national
attention today. Judge Tom Head -- he believes the president will let the
United Nations take control of the country if he`s re-elected. He paints a
very chilling picture.


JUDGE TOM HEAD, LUBBOCK COUNTY, TEXAS: I`m thinking worst case
scenario. Civil unrest, civil disobedience, civil war maybe. We`re not
talking just a few riots here and demonstrations. We`re talking -- we`re
talking Lexington/ concord, tame up arms and get rid of the guy.

OK, now what`s going to happen if we do that? If the public decides
to do that? He`s going to send in U.N. troops.


HEAD: U.N. troops with the little blue beanies. I don`t want them in
Lubbock County.


SCHULTZ: Judge Head says he`ll stand in front of armored personnel
carriers if he has to. By the way, this is not Judge Head`s first
headline. Back in 2009, Head got in trouble for posting this bulletin
board at the courthouse. It shows people, mostly African-Americans,
wearing Obama t-shirts in their mug shots. Underneath, Judge Head wrote,
"do you ever see anyone arrested wearing a Bush t-shirt?"

The judge later apologized. Judge Head is the director of emergency
management. He issues alcohol permits. He also conducts mental competency

Tonight, the judge tried to clarify his remarks about the U.N.
invading Lubbock County. He says he just wants to be prepared for the
worst-case scenario.

Tonight, in our survey, I asked should voters trust the Romney ticket
when it comes to their social agenda? Three percent of you say yes; 97
percent of you say no.

Coming up, former NFL great defensive tackle Warren Sapp is here to
talk about politics and the importance of public education. The Super Bowl
champ joins me next. Stay with us.



OBAMA: The plan Governor Romney has put forward would cut America`s
investment in education by nearly 20 percent.

He`s not making these cuts because he wants to create jobs or pay down
the deficit. He`s doing it to pay for a new five trillion dollar tax cut
that`s weighted toward the wealthiest Americans.


SCHULTZ: And in the Big Finish tonight, President Obama really going
after Mitt Romney`s proposed education cuts in Las Vegas today. Looking at
Paul Ryan`s budget, he has 115 billion dollars in cuts to education, the
Education Department, over the next 10 years.

Romney and Ryan`s cuts would kill the only opportunity many kids have
to getting out of the cycle of poverty. President Obama stressed the
importance of education to the students during a stop to a Las Vegas high
school today.


OBAMA: There`s nothing more important to our country`s future than
the education we give our children, that if you`re willing to study hard
and you`re willing to work hard, no matter who you are, no matter what you
look like, no matter where you came from, no matter what your last name is,
here in America, you can make it if you try.



SCHULTZ: And our guest tonight, forming NFL defensive tackle Warren
Sapp, is a shining example of what the president was talking about. Warren
Sapp didn`t have much growing up. He was raised by a single mother who
worked four jobs to support the family. But with the support of his
football coaches, his teachers in public education, his mother, it really
set the table for him to go on and have success and be an all-pro defensive
tackle in the NFL.

In his book, he gives credit to public education, in his new book, by
saying "the fact is those lessons I learned about life while playing
football at Apopka High School are what made me all-pro."

Warren Sapp, honored to have you on the program tonight. Great to
have you with us. Been a fan for a long time.

You are an Obama supporter. And this is really a big discussion in
America, because the Republicans are really wanting to cut public
education. How important was it to you growing up? It`s really -- your
life is a testimony to public education, isn`t it?

WARREN SAPP, FORMER ALL-PRO NFL PLAYER: Well, it`s very simple for
me, Ed. I can tell you my third, my fourth grade, fifth grade, sixth and
seventh grade teachers buzz they meant that much to me. When you`re a
country boy from the woods, like I am from Apopka, school is the only thing
you have. For me to miss school, you would be home by yourself.
Everybody`s at work.

So school was a very important thing to me, because it was the
foundation in which was going to take me to college and get me out of that
little country town.

SCHULTZ: Why do you support President Obama?

SAPP: It`s serious: schools, infrastructure and clean energy. I
think those are the four things that will lead us into the 21st century.
He`s focused on those things. And I just love his message.

SCHULTZ: Do you think that big named players like yourself should
speak out more about who to support and why? Because people of your
profile and professional athletes have such an impact on young people in
this country and could really make a difference and help them get thinking
about things they need to be a part of?

SAPP: I tell you what, it`s real difficult and a tightrope that we
walk when you are talking about politics and supports, because those two
things that rile up this country more than anything. And then you throw
God and guns in and it`s over at that point. So you want to keep yourself
and work your own community.

If you work your community and work the people around your community,
then that`s the way for you to do it, the best way, but not on the national
stage unless you just want that heat.

SCHULTZ: Does it scare you when you hear that the number of public
school teachers that are being let go across the country? What does that
mean to you?

SAPP: It`s scary because you talk about the kids not being able to --
the teachers not being able to be attentive to the kids. We have to lower
the number of students in there for the teachers, so they can be able to
get to them, get them the proper lesson plan, get the homework, and do the
things that we need to build our future, because the kids are our future.
And we must invest in their education.

SCHULTZ: No doubt about it. I got to ask you, you had quite a rival
going with Green Bay Quarterback Brett Favre. Of course, he played for the
Jets and also the Vikings. What was your best moment on the field going
after him?

SAPP: You know what, just the conversations? Two country boys out
there in the middle of the field just having a good time, playing until the
clock goes to zero, because it wasn`t -- it wasn`t going to be anything
that was going to stop us other than that.

We were just out there battling for our ball clubs and wanted to do
the best for our teams. And you know, two country boys, it`s tough to get
them off an open field. When there`s a lot of lightning, you can just play
all day long. And that`s what we did.

SCHULTZ: You had really high remarks for Tony Dungy. He had a real
impact on your career. How special is he to you?

SAPP: You know what, whenever you have a man that is as steady as a
rock and comes to work every day and lets you know exactly what is expected
of you and how you can get it done, I mean, that`s a beautiful thing to
come to a job and expect nothing that you physically can`t do. I`m never
going to ask you to do that, and then be a shining example at home of a
husband and a dad; what else could you ask for?

SCHULTZ: Warren Sapp, great book. I`m looking -- I read some of it.
I`m looking forward to reading the whole thing. It`s very important that I
think people growing up read this. All the best to you. Thanks for
joining us tonight.

SAPP: My pleasure.

SCHULTZ: Warren Sapp, author of "Sapp Attacks," his life story.
That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts right
now. Good evening, Rachel.


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