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The Ed Show for Wednesday, November 14th, 2012

November 14, 2012

Guests: Tim Ryan, John Nichols, Heidi Heitkamp, Nina Turner

ED SCHULTZ, HOST: Good evening, Americans. And welcome to THE ED
SHOW, from New York.

President Obama went to bat for the middle class today and Mitt Romney
is still beating up the 47 percent.

This is THE ED SHOW -- let`s get to work.


issue of mandate, I`ve got one mandate. I`ve got a mandate to help middle
class families and families that are working hard to try to get -- that`s
my mandate.

SCHULTZ (voice-over): The president draws a line in the sand for the
middle class.

OBAMA: The only question now is, are we going to hold the middle
class hostage?

SCHULTZ: And gets as angry as you will ever see him taking on an old
bitter foe.

OBAMA: If Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go
after somebody, they should go after me.

SCHULTZ: Tonight, Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio on the president`s
middle class rallying cry.

Jonathan Alter on the epic throw-down with John McCain.

Plus, the new senator even Nate Silver didn`t see coming.

NATE SILVER, THE NEW YORK TIMES: We missed the North Dakota Senate --


SCHULTZ: Heidi Heitkamp joins me for an exclusive interview.

And Republicans in Ohio haven`t learned anything. Tonight, State
Senator Nina Turner on today`s Republican vote to defund Planned


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Thanks for

Absent of arrogance, President Obama continued his fight for the
middle class today and hit back at Republican bullies in the process. The
president held his first news conference since winning the presidency once
again. It`s the first time he`s faced the news media without the worry or
pressure of running for re-election.

President Obama is staying in constant communication with the American
public, as he makes it clear the country cannot afford to extend the Bush
tax cuts for the wealthy.


OBAMA: This shouldn`t be a surprise to anybody. This was -- if there
was one thing that everybody understood, it was a big difference between
myself and Mr. Romney, it was when it comes to how we reduce our deficit, I
argued for a balanced, responsible approach, and part of that included
making sure that the wealthiest Americans pay a little bit more.


SCHULTZ: The president`s plan, with this whole game, with all the
cards out in the open and on the table. You know what, think about this.
The president could have said, you know, I don`t want to do that. I think
I`m going to cave in today.

He doesn`t have to worry about anything. He`s not up for re-election.
He played with heart today.

This is the guy you voted for. This is the guy who said all along
that he would fight for the middle class and that is exactly what he`s
doing first press conference. He`s asking for $1.6 trillion in new
revenue. And the public is OK with his approach.


OBAMA: More voters agreed with me on this issue than voted for me.
So we`ve got a clear majority of the American people who recognize if we`re
going to be serious about deficit reduction, we`ve got to do it in a
balanced way.

The only question now is: are we going to hold the middle class
hostage in order to go ahead and let that happen?


SCHULTZ: President Obama continues to demand House Republicans pass a
bill, extending the tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans and do it, you
know, right now. Wouldn`t that be good for the economy?

The president is open to compromise, but he`s not going to give away
the store, not this year. He learned his lessons back in the lame duck
session of Congress, 2011.

So, today, he openly rejected the Mitt Romney, John Boehner solution
for tax reform.


OBAMA: What I will not do is to have a process that is vague, that
says we`re going to sort of, kind of, raise revenue through dynamic scoring
or closing loopholes that have not been identified. And the reason I won`t
do that is because I don`t want to find ourselves in a position six months
from now or a year from now, where, lo and behold, the only way to close
the deficit is to sock it to middle class families.


SCHULTZ: Now, that is the classiest way I have ever seen anybody say,
you know what, somebody`s got to pick up the bar tab, boys.

This is what President Obama ran against in the presidential election.
Mitt Romney`s approach to tax reform was, trust me.

The American public wanted specifics. And President Obama continued
to give specifics today, but the economy wasn`t the only thing on the
president`s mind today.

Earlier in the day, here`s another development. Ambassador to the
United Nations Susan Rice came under fire from Republican senators.
Senators John McCain and Lindsey Graham, back at it, trying to trump up the
ambassador`s role in the Benghazi consulate attacks. They took their shots
at Ambassador Rice this morning and the president hit back.


OBAMA: Senator McCain and Senator Graham and others want to go after
somebody, they should go after me. And I`m happy to have that discussion
with them. But for them to go after the U.N. ambassador, who had nothing
to do with Benghazi, and was simply making a presentation based on
intelligence that she had received, and to besmirch her reputation is


SCHULTZ: That`s loyalty to a staff member. If looks could kill, the
president`s look would be a cruise missile.

It was the most sustained anger, I think it will be the most sustained
anger that we have seen and will see coming from this president in a
display in a television news conference. Now, there is no evidence the
ambassador did anything wrong, regarding the Benghazi attacks.

President Obama is not about to let a member of his administration get
dragged through the mud by the righties. He was also very calculating
about his take on the scandal surrounding former CIA chief, David Petraeus.


OBAMA: I am withholding judgment, with respect to how the entire
process surrounding General Petraeus came up. It is also possible that had
we been told, then you`d be sitting here asking a question about why were
you interfering in a criminal investigation?

So I think it`s best right now for us to just see how this whole
process unfolded.


SCHULTZ: The president also showed the kind of leverage he has on
immigration reform. He emphasized Latino voter turnout and the pressure
being put on Republicans to reach a bipartisan agreement.


OBAMA: Before the election, I had given a couple of interviews, where
I had predicted that the Latino vote was going to be strong, and that that
would cause some reflection on the part of Republicans about their position
on immigration reform. I think we`re starting to see that already. I
think that`s a positive sign.


SCHULTZ: Fresh off the campaign trail, I guess it`s full steam ahead
for the president`s second term. He knows the work is not over on
immigration. That, of course, is going to be a big issue in 2013. Climate
change came up today, which, of course, is very important to the economy,
and the economy itself.

President Obama needs to maintain the support of the American people.
He`s going on the road and I love it. At one point today, the president
was asked, you got a mandate? His answer told you everything you need to
know about where the president expects his second term to go.


OBAMA: With respect to the issue of mandate, I`ve got one mandate.
I`ve got a mandate to help middle class families and families that are
working hard to try to get in the middle class. That`s my mandate. That`s
what the American people said.

They said: work really hard to help us. Don`t worry about the
politics of it. Don`t worry about the party interests. Don`t worry about
the special interests. Just work really hard to see if you can help us get
ahead, because we`re working really hard out here and we`re still
struggling, a lot of us.

That`s my mandate.


SCHULTZ: The president already said the Bush tax cuts for the rich
will expire. He`s already said that the tax cuts for 98 percent of
Americans must be extended.

Now, who could be against that? You can just do the math and see that
if they extend the tax cuts for 98 percent of Americans, the economy has a
chance of moving forward, as it is right now.

The ball is in the hands of the Republicans, isn`t it? We`re going to
find early on if they want to play obstruction all over again. The
president is basically daring them to defy his mandate.

I kind of hope they do, but I kind of really -- you know, I think they
will. I don`t think they want a deal. They`ll talk about it, but I don`t
believe that they want the deal.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think.

Tonight`s question: do you trust Republicans to protect the middle
class tax cuts? Text "A" for yes, text "B" for no to 622639, you can
always go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results later
on in the show.

Joining me tonight is Ohio Congressman, Tim Ryan.

Congressman, good to have you with us tonight.

REP. TIM RYAN (D), OHIO: Great to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Are we seeing a different negotiator evolve here after the
election? Knowing that he really doesn`t have to be beholden to anybody,
because he`s not up for re-election. This is what he ran on, which is what
he talked about today. How energized are you and maybe some other
Democrats in the House when you see that?

RYAN: I was just thrilled today. I mean, I think this is the most
presidential he`s ever looked. He was strong, he looked like a leader.
And, you know, you get into these campaigns and they`re very enthusiastic,
but when you get into the process of governing, there needs to be this
slow-burning intensity in order to push your things through. And he had
that today and I think he showed some real leadership.

And I think it has something to do with the campaign trail, I think it
has something to do with the hurricane, where he really got down on the
ground with the people -- the people in Ohio, the people in Iowa, the
people who were hurt so badly by the hurricane. And he really got

And you can see it now. He knows who he`s fighting for and he`s doing
it in a way really only that he can do in that magical Barack Obama way.

SCHULTZ: Congressmen, collectively, do you think the Democrats
believe that the Republicans will do a deal?

RYAN: You know, we`re skeptical. I mean, I`m trying to figure out
which Republican could vote for an increase in taxes, even on millionaires,
and still not think they`ve got to go back home and get primaried by some
Tea Party radical. And that`s really the calculation. That`s the struggle
that John Boehner`s having right now.

But it will further define the Republican Party. And if they can`t
come to grips with a balanced deal, where you`re asking the wealthiest in
the country, who have paid -- who made so much money over the last decade,
then that really shows what kind of party they are.

And this is about the values that we hold as Americans, Ed. This is
not about numbers. This is about values.

SCHULTZ: Well, you know, when you look at the way this is setting up,
this has got a lot of 2014 talk to it already. I mean, these Republicans
are going to have to go home and explain, well, I couldn`t go along with
the tax cuts for the 98 percent of Americans.

That would put them against the middle class, wouldn`t it?

RYAN: Yes. I mean, imagine on Friday, when they`re all sitting
around the table, and the president says, hey, fellas, you know, you`re
going to be responsible for raising taxes on middle class Americans. And
if you fail to agree to this top 1 percent or top 2 percent tax increase
that we`re asking for, you go out.


RYAN: The microphones are in the driveway on the way out of here.
You go explain to the American people why they`re going to pay more in

SCHULTZ: Now, you just mentioned just a moment ago that you thought
the president was well connected, OK? That he was re-conducted, best he`s
ever been.

President Obama read a letter from a Tennessee voter today, who did
not support him in this election cycle, but had a message for all
politicians in the wake of this election. Here it is.


OBAMA: "My hope," he wrote, "is that we can make progress in light of
personal and party principles, special interest groups, and years of
business as usual. We`ve got to work together and put our differences
aside." I couldn`t say it better myself.


SCHULTZ: I mean, Republicans, are they, in Congress, selling
themselves on cooperation?

RYAN: Well, you know how this goes, Ed. They talk to each other.
It`s their own little group and they keep talking to each other and they
turn on FOX News and they get that regurgitated and they turn on, you know,
the business channels and they get that regurgitated, and they all think
they`re right. And they don`t stick their heads out of the window.

You got really Tea Party Republicans coming out of southern states who
said, there was no mandate for change in this election. Well, yeah, of
course not in your congressional district, you got 80 percent in the
conservative Republican district. Get your head out of the sand, look at
what`s going on in the rest of the world, and realize you don`t always get
your way in life.

I don`t know how these guys -- what relationships they have with other
human beings, but there are no relationships I`ve ever been in or anybody
I`ve ever met where there isn`t some compromise. So why would you come to
the United States Congress, representing 300 millions of people, 435
members of Congress, and you think you`re going to get your way 100 percent
of the time? It just doesn`t make any sense.

And that`s why the president has got to be so intense and so firm and
stick to his guns here. And I think he`s going to do it, and let them
collapse. Let them fold.

SCHULTZ: Quickly, Congressman, 50/50 on a deal, 60/40, 70/30, where
is it?

RYAN: I don`t know, Ed.

SCHULTZ: The fact that you can`t call it like that after what we`ve
seen speaks volume. You`ve got your pulse of your colleagues in the
Congress. I mean, we could be headed for more of the same. And that just
tells me that this president has to keep moving forward with the wind at
his back and the people at his back. That`s why labor yesterday was
talking about doing rallies and getting into the backyards of these
righties, and telling them, this is the way it`s got to go for me to save
the Treasury.

RYAN: Absolutely. Trumka`s great, he`s a great leader. And now, we
see the business leaders come online too, to say, hey, come on, guys. Get
with the program here.


RYAN: There`s something bigger than just your own political career at
stake here.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Tim Ryan of Ohio, great to have you with us
tonight. Thank you so much.

RYAN: Always a pleasure. Thanks.

SCHULTZ: Remember to answer tonight`s question at the bottom of the
screen. Share your thoughts on Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook. We always
love to know what you think.

Coming up, John McCain is leading the attack on U.N. Ambassador Susan
Rice. Well, President Obama had a few words for McCain this afternoon.
Jonathan Alter will weigh in.

Stay with us. We are right back.


SCHULTZ: Coming up, the president gets after John McCain and smacks
him down because of his attack on Susan Rice. These two stories have a
history. These two people have a history. We`ll discuss it with Jonathan
Alter, next.

Mitt Romney`s first remarks following his big loss last week are a
total confirmation of everything we saw on his 47 percent tape. He says
the president won re-election by giving big gifts to minorities and to
young voters. Full details, coming up.

And for some reason, Ohio Republicans, they just didn`t get the memo.
Today, they continued their war on women with a vote to defund Planned
Parenthood. They have more radical legislation in the works. Ohio State
Senator Nina Turner is here to respond.

Share your thoughts with us on Facebook and on Twitter using #EdShow.

We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. Thanks for staying with us

Senator John McCain is leading a preemptive strike to keep U.N.
Ambassador Susan Rice from being nominated for secretary of state. Rice`s
name has been floated as a possible replacement for Secretary Hillary

But McCain says he`s convinced that Rice is part of an Obama
administration cover-up over the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi.
McCain articulated his theory this morning, pledging to do everything he
can to stop Rice`s nomination from moving forward.


SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Susan Rice should have been known
better, and if she didn`t know better, she`s not qualified. She would have
known better. I will do everything in my power to block her from being the
United States secretary of state. She has proven that she either doesn`t
understand or she is not willing to accept evidence on its face.


SCHULTZ: And, of course, McCain has enlisted reinforcements. Here`s
comes Senator Lindsey Graham of South Carolina, who is also questioning
Rice`s credibility.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Yes, I don`t trust. And the
reason I don`t trust her, because I think she knew better, and if she
doesn`t know better, she shouldn`t be the voice of America.


SCHULTZ: This afternoon, the president smacked them both down to the
press conference.


OBAMA: When they go after the U.N. ambassador, apparently because
they think she`s an easy target, then they`ve got a problem with me.


SCHULTZ: Today`s repudiation of McCain`s politicking is just the
latest installation in what has been a contentious history between
President Obama and the senator from Arizona, leading all the way back to
the last presidential campaign, when McCain announced that he was
suspending his campaign to try and solve the fiscal crisis in this country
and avoid a presidential debate.

Obama needled him with this response.


OBAMA: It`s my belief that this is exactly the time when the American
people need to hear from the person who in approximately 40 days will be
responsible for dealing with this mess. And I think that it is -- it is
going to be part of the president`s job to deal with more than one thing at


SCHULTZ: After McCain joked about going to war with Iran, by turning
it into a Beach Boys song, President Obama hit him back with this.


OBAMA: John, you`re absolutely right that presidents have to be
prudent in what they say. But, you know, coming from you who have, you
know, in the past have threatened extinction for North Korea and, you know,
sung songs about bombing Iran, I don`t know how credible that is.


SCHULTZ: Then there was this exchange over al Qaeda.


MCCAIN: I have some news. Al Qaeda is in Iraq. Al Qaeda, it`s
called al Qaeda in Iraq.

OBAMA: I have some news for John McCain. And that is that there was
no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided
to invade Iraq.


SCHULTZ: And when Senator Obama became President Obama, the partisan
rhetoric didn`t stop there. McCain abandoned the idea of becoming an elder
statesman, a key Republican ally, who could help broker deals and move the
country forward. Instead, he has constantly undermined the president and
his policies.

Back in 2010, McCain had a list of complaints over health care reform.
One of his issues, the negotiations were not being broadcast on C-Span.
Here`s the president responding.


OBAMA: Let me just a make this point, John, because we`re not
campaigning anymore. The election`s over.

MCCAIN: I`m reminded of that every day.


OBAMA: Well, I -- yes.


SCHULTZ: Let`s bring in Jonathan Alter, MSNBC political analyst and
columnist for "Bloomberg View".

Jonathan, I don`t think the two like each other.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight.

But it just seems that John McCain is looking for any opening he
possibly can to make problems for the president and the country. Your take
on it.

ALTER: Well, the reason the president was so ticked in the press
conference today is he learned just before the press conference, I hear
from the White House, that, you know, John McCain and Lindsey Graham were
intending to filibuster Susan Rice if she should be nominated as secretary
of state. And that really angered the president.

And one reason why, which I don`t think is very well understood, is
it`s enormously hypocritical -- if you turn back the clock to when
Condoleezza Rice was taking all kinds of heat before she was nominated to
be George Bush`s secretary of state, because she had fallen for this faulty
intelligence on Iraq. Remember when she talking about the mushroom cloud
in Iraq and all this, because she had believed the CIA.

So all that Susan Rice has done is believe the CIA. That`s her own
only sin in this entire thing.

And so, for McCain to say he`s going to filibuster her for something
that he and then-Senator Obama defended Condoleezza Rice on, is really
hypocritical and really annoying to the president, because she was doing
exactly what Mitt Romney did. You`ll notice in the third debate, Mitt
Romney did not bring up Benghazi. Why? He was given an opportunity by Bob

He didn`t because he had just gotten a classified briefing from the
CIA that told him what everybody who has got an classified briefing knows,
which is that it was CIA`s fault that they didn`t get intelligence faster
on what happened in Benghazi. It was not at all Susan Rice`s fault.

SCHULTZ: Well, the president said today that the congress had the
same information that Susan Rice had.

ALTER: Exactly.

SCHULTZ: But John McCain was out there blabbing this morning, saying
that they should have known better, as if she doesn`t have good enough
judgment to be in this position or to be even considered for it. I mean,
how much of a slap in the face is that?

ALTER: Well, it`s really discouraging that Senator McCain, who, you
know, in the past, I think, has had really wide respect on both sides of
the aisle, that he would be doing this. It was easy to say, when he was
running against a right-winger in 2010, in the primary, oh, he has to, you
know, deport his principles over the border on immigration or other things
in order to get re-elected. People in Washington understand that.

But he`s now safely re-elected. So the only reason he`s doing this is
out of personal pique --


ALTER: -- or some over cranky motive and he just needs to give it up.
And Lindsey Graham, his Sancho Panza, needs to give it up too. And they
need to suck it up and start to work across the aisle like they have in the
past, and show some basic respect for the president of the United States.

SCHULTZ: I mean, this is the first shot over the bow, as to how the
next Congress is going to feel about one another.

I mean, do you think McCain and Graham would have the troops to stop
her if she does, and the president says today he hasn`t made that
determination yet, whether he`s going to nominate her or not. Do you think
they have the chops to do that?

ALTER: Sure. In the Senate, it only takes a couple of people to
filibuster. And then there aren`t the 60 votes. And if they go through
with this, if they don`t back down, it will be hard for her to get


ALTER: That`s the reality of the U.S. Senate.

So, you know, it seems to me and I think a lot of other people that
the president and senator McCain need to get together, you know, not have a
beer summit, maybe drink something harder, and, you know, try to work this
out and establish some kind --


ALTER: -- of relationship on behalf of the American public.

SCHULTZ: McCain has not shown any interest to work anything out with
the president, and I think we can hold our breath on this one.

Thank you, Jonathan Alter. Great to have you us with tonight.

ALTER: Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Next up, Mitt Romney talks to big money donors and doubles
down on his talk of the nation`s 47 percent. We`ll have all the details
with "The Nation`s" John Nichols.

And then the Republicans never dreamed that they would end up seeing
this. The new class of women has arrived on Capitol Hill. We`ll talk to
one of the new senators who fought one of the toughest races in the nation
and won on the prairie.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to THE ED SHOW. Thanks for staying with us
tonight. President Obama wasn`t the only one speaking out today. The
Mittster, Mitt Romney held a conference call with his high-dollar donors.
Romney seemed to double down on his 47 percent comments.

Romney said the president won by following the old playbook and giving
gifts to, quote, "the African-American community, the Hispanic community,
and young people." The former candidate went on to say this: "with regards
to the young people, for instance, the forgiveness of college loan interest
was a big gift. Free contraceptives were very big with young college-aged
women. And then finally, Obamacare also made a difference for them
because, as you know, anybody now 26 years of age and younger was now going
to be part of their parents` plan. And that was a big gift too to young

For more, let`s turn to John Nichols, Washington correspondent of "the
Nation" magazine and author of the book "Uprising." It doesn`t sound like
Mitt Romney has learned anything in the last week.

JOHN NICHOLS, "THE NATION": The interesting thing is that back in
October, when he was really getting a hard time for the 47 percent, he went
on Fox and he said, I was totally wrong. Well, it turns out that
apparently he was lying to Fox, of all people. Because the fact is, this
goes deeper. This is actually not just saying there`s 47 percent that
relies on government.

He`s actually saying that young people, people of color in this
country, working folks can be bribed with contraception, to make their --
they do their total vote on --

SCHULTZ: What do you think he was saying, referring to them as gifts?
When the people of this country voted for the president, when he said he
was going to reform health care, and the vote of representatives in the
House and the Senate went along with it to pass something. How can that be
a gift?

NICHOLS: Well, it`s not a gift. This is government. And
unfortunately, it seems to me that Mitt Romney has been listening not to
conservative media, but to the fringe of the right wing, the people who
actually think this country is divided into makers and takers. Now, that`s
a big Paul Ryan line.

And this is a fantasy. The fact of the matter is, we have a
government in this country that does some things. And most of what Mitt
Romney`s objecting to is government.

SCHULTZ: Was there a racial component here? And I ask that question
because Mitt Romney is talking about giving more tax breaks to the
wealthiest Americans, but President Obama can`t have a plan for young
people or African-Americans or Hispanics? How else do you read it?

NICHOLS: Well, it`s the same -- look, Paul Ryan did an interview just
this week where he was talking about the urban areas voting in a certain
way. And it seems that this is the fantasy, the delusion that they`ve
decided to carry on, that they didn`t lose because their ideas were bad,
they didn`t lose because they made mistakes.

In fact, in this call, Mitt Romney complimented his campaign. They
lost because somehow the 47 percent was given so many gifts that it grew
into 51 percent.

SCHULTZ: Does it make it harder for the Republican party to patch up
their image and their vision for the future when they are going to be
dogged by comments like this, as to why they lost the last presidential
election? It`s not inclusive. How do they repair that?

NICHOLS: We have Republican chairmen across the country sending out
memos saying, we`ve got to start to reach out to Hispanics; we`ve got to
start to reach out to the African-American community; we`ve got to connect
with young people. And then here you have their immediate former candidate
talking to the big dollar donors, people that gave them 900 million bucks,
and saying, no, our ideas are great. Everything in -- we just got out-
bribed. That`s ridiculous.

SCHULTZ: John Nichols, great to have you with us tonight. Thanks so

There`s a lot more coming up in the next half hour of THE ED SHOW.
Stay right with us.


experience, it was very important for me to elect young women and encourage
people to come. And when they come here, to give them opportunity to


SCHULTZ: 2012 is the year of the woman in Congress. Tonight, North
Dakota`s first female Senator Heidi Heitkamp joins me exclusively.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Does Barack Obama now have a mandate?

REP. PAUL RYAN (R), WISCONSIN: I don`t think so, because they also
re-elected the House Republicans.


SCHULTZ: The mandate deniers are living in a bubble. We`ll lay out
the facts.

And eight days after getting thumped at the polls, Ohio Republicans
are already trying to defund Planned Parenthood. State Senator Nina Turner
is here tonight. And she`s standing up for women.



PELOSI: A picture is worth a thousand words. That`s what they say.
I said then and I say now that this picture before you is worth millions of
votes, millions of votes.



SCHULTZ: And we are back. Today Representative Nancy Pelosi said
she`ll serve as House Democratic leader for two more years. She actually
hummed the song "Hallelujah" as the women of the incoming 113th Congress
joined her for the news conference.

This is a record-breaking group, my friends. There was barely room on
the platform for all of them to show up and be a part of it. Pelosi will
be joined by 80 other women in the U.S. House of Representatives; 20 women
will serve in the United States Senate.

It`s a diverse group of women who probably won`t agree on every issue.
Their success socked the Republicans, no doubt about it. Senate Democrats
were the underdogs in the election cycle, especially in the great state of
North Dakota, the prairie.

Republicans counted on Congressman Rick Berg to defeat Heidi Heitkamp.
Didn`t happen. They were wrong. And one of the country`s most accurate
political forecasters got it wrong as well.


NATE SILVER, "THE NEW YORK TIMES": We missed the North Dakota Senate

JON STEWART, "THE DAILY SHOW": Yes, you did. You said that
Republican Rick Berg would win. He lost.

SILVER: He lost.


SCHULTZ: Former North Dakota Attorney General Heidi Heitkamp narrowly
defeated Rick Berg by 3,000 votes. She won by less than one percent in a
state where most people voted for Mitt Romney. In fact, 59 percent of the
folks in North Dakota voted for Mitt Romney.

It will be interesting to see how new Senator-elect Heitkamp will
represent her historically red state. We`ll ask her right now. Let`s turn
to North Dakota Senator-elect Heidi Heitkamp. Heidi, congratulations on
the big win. And I can tell you here on the east coast, everybody is
saying, how in the world did a Democrat win in North Dakota?

So I`ve got to ask you, you know, the cultural issues, gays, guns, and
God, the G-word. How did you cut through all of that and get a victory?

HEIDI HEITKAMP (D), SENATOR ELECT: I think the most important thing
is to understand what North Dakotans really care about. They care about a
farm bill. They care about energy policy. But, Ed, mainly they care about
sending people who know how to get along and get things done.

It`s no different than anything you`ve been hearing all across the
country. The American public is tired of the partisan bickering. They are
tired of all of the back and forth. They want solutions to these problems.

And that`s our job. And I think they thought I`d deliver the

SCHULTZ: OK, solution. Tax cuts -- would you go for getting rid of
the Bush tax cuts and taxing the top two percent, just what the president
said today? Could you go along with that?

HEITKAMP: You know, we`ve been talking a lot -- and you know me.
I`ve spent a fair amount of my political life and my public life working in
the tax area. My big concern is the difference between earned and unearned
income. And I say this every time. I say, the Bobcat worker in North
Dakota pays a higher tax rate than Paris Hilton, because she doesn`t earn
her income. She just lets her money make her money.

And we need to figure out a way to equalize those rates. Maybe not
make them identical, but to equalize them. Because this tax structure,
when Mitt Romney pays 15 percent and the average American middle class
family pays much higher, there is something wrong with the tax code. And
that needs to be fixed.

SCHULTZ: What about going back to the old rates? Going back to the
wealthiest Americans paying almost 40 percent? What about that?

HEITKAMP: I think that -- you know, you need to take a look at on
what kind of income. To me, the discussion is more about rates. It`s
about what do we apply those rates to and how do we equalize people who
make a lot of money on capital gains versus people who go to work every day
and help this economy grow.

SCHULTZ: You know, I was back home. I saw the commercials.
President Obama`s not the most popular guy on the prairie. And they were
really going after him on Obamacare. How did you get around that and get
the victory? What did you say about Obamacare?

HEITKAMP: Well, as you know, I`m a breast cancer survivor. And so I
simply sent a message that, you know, I`d never take away seniors` health
care or anyone`s health care. There`s good and bad in the health care law.
And we need to fix the bad parts and keep the good parts.

And basically, a lot of people thought you should just run away from
it. And I said, wait a minute, there`s some really good things in
Obamacare. There`s some really good things about the health care law.
There are some things that need to be fixed. Why can`t we just sit down
and fix the bad and keep good and move on?

Health care is way too important to politicize it the way it`s been
politicized for the last four years.

SCHULTZ: What advice would you give to the president right now, after
today`s press conference, moving forward, trying to fight through the
obstruction that we can anticipate from the Republicans, if it`s anything
like the last session of Congress?

HEITKAMP: Well, I thought the president was right when he said, you
know, what`s his mandate. His mandate is to help working class folks, is
to help move this country forward and start getting some jobs and real
economic development in our country, so that we can get people back to

And I think it so sounds like those are his priorities. Obviously, we
have a lot of discussions forward on energy policy. And we --

SCHULTZ: I was going to ask you about that. What about energy
policy? I know oil is huge in North Dakota, no doubt. What about the
pipeline? Would you support it, the Keystone?

HEITKAMP: I`ve always supported the Keystone Pipeline. I think the
president`s going to approve it. But that`s just one part of a good energy
policy. The problem we have, Ed, is you have people on the right who say
it`s all about fossil fuels. And you have people on the left who say, it`s
all about renewables.

But if we were going to have energy independence and really grow our
economy, we need to use both. And we need to figure out how we`re going to
transport that energy from smart grids, electrical smart grids, to
pipelines, to rail, whatever it takes to get this economy back moving.

SCHULTZ: Heidi, you are an unspoiled person. And this is going to be
a tough lift because of the litmus test that takes place in Washington from
time to time. I hope you can cut through it all and do deals for the
people of North Dakota and the country. It`s going to be interesting to

I have to ask you, if you were going to compare yourself to a senator,
thinking alike, who would it be?

HEITKAMP: It would be Kent Conrad. That`s no mistake there. That`s
no surprise to you. Kent and I have been friends a long time. He
encouraged me to make this run. He cares about the deficit like no one
cares about the deficit in this country. I intend to pick up that mantle
and deal with the farm bill, deal with energy policy and help our state
become successful.

SCHULTZ: Former tax commissioner, former attorney general, mom,
survivor of cancer. You`ve got quite a resume. Heidi, good luck to you.
Thank you.

HEITKAMP: Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: You bet. And she`s a friend of mine. You can tell. >

Coming up, Republicans just can`t handle the truth. But the people
have spoken. I`ll show the fact deniers just what this year`s election
results really mean.

And as we head to break, one of the great harbingers of the holiday
season has arrived here at 30 Rock in New York City, Rockefeller Center.
It`s an 80-footer, folks. It`s a Norway, all the way from the great state
of New Jersey.

And seeing that I have some producers on staff from New Jersey, I had
to call it a great state. `Tis the season. You`re watching THE ED SHOW on
MSNBC. Stay with us.



earning capital. You asked, do I feel free? Let me put it to you this
way, I earned capital in the campaign, political capital. And now I intend
to spend it.


SCHULTZ: The good old days. President George W. Bush flaunting his
political capital at a press conference just two days after his re-election
in 2004. Since last Tuesday, Republicans have been making the rounds,
denying President Obama earned a mandate from voters in America. For
instance, former Vice Presidential candidate and frequent rewriter of
American industry Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin rejected the notion
that his party`s ideas lost by making the claim the election was too close.

But the fact is President Obama won a mandate, a larger mandate than
John F. Kennedy in 1960 or Richard Nixon in 1968 or Jimmy Carter in 1976.
He wasn`t that old. And definitely larger than George W. Bush in 2000 and
W. in 2004.

President Obama won the popular vote by 2.9 percent, added seats in
the Senate, and added seats in the House. My friends, that`s a mandate.

It should come as no surprise, Republicans are once again ignoring the
facts. It`s what they do, isn`t it? But no matter what they try, how they
try to spin it, the numbers just don`t lie. When President Obama was asked
if he felt like he had a mandate, this is how he responded.


OBAMA: I`ve got one mandate. I`ve got a mandate to help middle class
families and families that are working hard to try to get in the middle
class. That`s my mandate. That`s what the American people said. They
said, work really hard to help us. Don`t worry about the politics of it.
Don`t worry about the party interests. Don`t worry about the special

Just work really hard to see if you can help us get ahead. Because
we`re working really hard out here and we`re still struggling, a lot of us.
That`s my mandate.


SCHULTZ: And that is not a president boasting about political
capital. There is a completely absence of arrogance that makes it very
clear. He`s heard the message from the middle class. He`s got work to do.
He`s going to get it done. And this fight for those middle class Americans
out there to continue on in our economy has just started.

Tonight in our survey, I asked do you trust Republicans to protect the
middle class tax cuts? Three percent of you said yes; 97 percent of you
said no.

Coming up, Ohio Republicans push an extreme agenda against the will of
the voters. And Ohio State Senator Nina Turner joins me to set the record
straight. Stay with us. We`re coming right back.


SCHULTZ: And in the Big Finish tonight, Ohio Republicans are pushing
an extremist agenda just one week after an election in which voters re-
elected President Obama and reaffirmed progressive ideals.

Well, they didn`t get the memo in Ohio. Today, a House committee
approved a bill to essentially defund Planned Parenthood. House Bill 298
passed on a party line vote, and it will strip 1.7 million dollars from
Planned Parenthood.

Nearly 100,000 women in the state use Planned Parenthood, mostly for
preventative care and birth control. Every single medical professional in
the state testified against the bill. At a news conference opposing the
measure, Ohio State Senator Nina Turner wore a t-shirt offering a different
meaning for GOP. There`s a closer shot of the t-shirt. So you get the

It`s not just about Planned Parenthood. Ohio Republicans also want to
revive the so-called heartbeat bill, which would unconstitutionally ban all
abortions after a fetal heartbeat is detected. On election day, 56 percent
of Ohioans say that they believe abortions should be legal all or most of
the time.

Joining me again tonight is Ohio State Senator Nina Turner. Senator,
great to have you with us tonight. I guess your t-shirt says it all. What
the heck is going on in Ohio? They just haven`t got the message. Is this
going to pass, to defund Planned Parenthood?

NINA TURNER, OHIO STATE SENATOR: It will, Ed, unless God himself
comes down here, and even that, I`m not so sure. You know, the GOP will
not be satisfied until women are barefoot, pregnant, and back home by 5:00
p.m. to cook dinner.

And as one of my Tweeter fans put, back in the binders. You know, it
makes absolutely no sense. They don`t want women to have any choices or
any voices. This is not about whether somebody is pro-abortion or pro-
choice. This is about whether or not will have the preventative care,
services that they deserve and they need.

This is about our sisters, our daughters, our mothers, our aunts, and
an ideology that has gone absolutely wrong. Ed, I`ve said it many times
before. I am absolutely, unequivocally convinced that the Republicans have
lost their ever-loving minds.

SCHULTZ: What about Governor Kasich? Is his hands on this too?
Where does he stand?

TURNER: Well, you know, Ed, there -- you know, I saw information that
the governor met with the GOP to talk the lame duck agenda. I`m not so
sure whether or not they mentioned this to him or not. The fact of the
matter is, he does know now. And he has not said anything up until this
point. But this is about an extremist agenda being pushed by the GOP
legislature, namely in the Ohio House.

And as you mentioned in your opening about the so-called heartbeat
bill, that would effectively make Roe v. Wade not the law of the land in
the state of Ohio, which is unconstitutional. And even if a woman is
dying, she could not have an abortion in the state if it passes.

It is not the heartbeat bill, it is the heartless bill. And we`re
sick and tired of men trying to make women second class citizens in this
state and in this nation. And I hope that all folks are outraged by this,
Ed. This is immoral to take services away from poor women, young women,
African-American, Latino, Asian. You just name it.

Women are not second class citizens. And we are not extensions of
children. We are grown women and we know how to make decisions when it
comes to our own bodies.

SCHULTZ: Nina, I understand that you`re considering running for
secretary of state of Ohio to replace John Husted in 2014. Is that

TURNER: Well, I am considering that, Ed. We will see. Let me make
it through the lame duck session. But I tell you this, Ohioans need not
only just state legislators who are going to stand up for their rights, but
they also need to have a secretary of state who understands that voting in
this state has nothing to do what your party affiliation is. It is a
fundamental right. And it should be protected by the secretary of state,
not abridged.

SCHULTZ: All right. State Senator Nina Turner, thanks for joining us
tonight. Appreciate your time.

Crazy stuff happening in Ohio. It just starts right up, doesn`t it?
A week after the election.

That`s THE ED SHOW. I`m Ed Schultz. "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" starts
right now.

Good evening, Rachel.

RACHEL MADDOW, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Ed. I`m so happy that you
had her on. We`re going to be talking about that later on in this show
too. And that t-shirt is one for the Smithsonian.

SCHULTZ: It certainly is. There`s no doubt.

MADDOW: Thank you, ed.

SCHULTZ: Thank you.


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