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PoliticsNation, Monday, July 22nd, 2013

Read the transcript from the Monday show

July 22, 2013
Guests: Emanuel Cleaver, Ciara Taylor, Angela Rye, Dana Milbank


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: And generally, involving things
that have to do with race. This is I think what Obama said is classic. It
was entirely unsurprising. And furthermore, expected that he would gout
and say something like this. He has got to keep his consistency happy. He
has got to keep his base happy. He has got civil rights coalition
breathing down his back because he hasn`t acted mad enough about this. So
he goes out there and reads the script.


REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Creating chaos? Stirring the
pot? Some of the most personal remarks we have heard from a president.
But he is reading from a script? And Rush wasn`t the only one.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: For the president of the United States to get
behind the microphone almost a week later, almost a week later to stoke
what he believes, what he hopes, I`m saying the truth, will be fires
emotionally, to pile on with Sharpton, to pile on with Holden. It`s


SHARPTON: The president was stroking fires? With me? Why is it when
someone speaks out for justice and equality, this is what some on the right
say. But then Sean Hannity went to the depths of low.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Now the president saying Trayvon could
have been me 35 years ago. This is a particularly helpful comment. Is
that the president`s admitting that, I guess because what, he was part of
the choom gang and he smoked pot and he did a little blow. I`m not sure
how to interpret that, because we know Trayvon had been smoking pot that
night. I`m not sure what that means.


SHARPTON: That`s classy, Sean. Today he said those comments in --
were mostly said in jest. But not many folks are laughing.

These right wingers will twist any statement to try to make the
president and apparently Trayvon Martin into a thug. But don`t take my
word for it. Just listen to my colleague Joe Scarborough, a Republican,
how he responded to Hannity this morning.


JOE SCARBOROUGH, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: Sean Hannity has been ginning this
up so badly that Michael Savidge, Michael Savidge has been saying that he
has been irresponsible and that he is using race to gin up his ratings in a
way that is bad for America. That`s is how extreme Sean Hannity`s position
has been.


SHARPTON: The right wing pundits are taking an irresponsible and
divisive position. They are part of the problem. Unfortunately, they`re
not part of the solution.

Joining me now is Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, Democrat of Missouri
and Joan Walsh, editor-at-large for Thank you both for being


REP. EMANUEL CLEAVER (D), MISSOURI: Good to be with you.

SHARPTON: Congressman, let me go to you first. What is your reaction
to these attacks on the president`s speech?

CLEAVER: It is so sad and in some ways amazingly so. The president
said simply and un-agitatingly (ph) that our nation is better than the
racial rancor that all too often creates a problem with us. He addressed
an issue, and he did it I think in a very personal and very profound way.

SHARPTON: Very personal.

CLEAVER: I can`t imagine anybody of good will becoming angry and
hostile over the way he spoke. But I hope that the people around the
country understand that -- that, you know, rejection of a fault-finder is
what garlic is to a vampire. I think we just reject this kind of thing and
continue to erase the racial divisiveness that has been a part of our
country for too long.

SHARPTON: And I think regardless of one`s opinion, you have yours, I
certainly have mine. Others certainly have theirs. I think if we`re going
to heal the nation in terms of moving forward in a concrete way. We have
got to be able to put the issues out there and our experiences.

And Joan, I think that`s what the president did with his own
experience appealing to everyone to come together and to have a
conversation. A lot of us want more than the conversation. But he gets
hit for even saying that.

WALSH: Reverend Al, I think everybody has -- if they haven`t listened
to this speech, they have to go listen to it. We know that he is being hit
by some on, you know, from our side of the aisle for not saying enough. It
was a beautiful, sober, balanced responsible, compassionate speech. He
said that the system worked. He praised the judge and the jury. He talked
about the issue of African-American crime and did not exonerate everybody
over it. Did not blame it all on racism. And he also said clearly and
concisely that our country is getting better. We are getting better on
racial issues.

But the problem here, Reverend Al, is we have some race hustlers in
this country. We have race hustlers who are preying on white grievance and
turning everything this president says into the opposite. Quite frankly,
it`s the opposite of what he actually said. They make money off it.
That`s why Joe Scarborough has been incredibly great on this issue.
They`re hurting the Republican Party. They`re getting rich off peddling
white grievance to white people who don`t even have grievances and it`s
just awful.

SHARPTON: But you know, Congressman, one thing that was very much of
note to me, as we have dealt with this whole question of the Stand Your
Ground law, even right-wing pundits as they criticize the president, but
even John McCain commended the president and aid that we ought to review
stand your ground. John McCain. Watch this.


SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: What I got out of the president`s
statement, which I thought was very impressive, is that we need to have
more conversation in America. I think we continue to make progress. But
there are events like this that highlight and emphasize the fact that we
still have a long way to go.


SHARPTON: I thought that was a very mature statement from McCain, and
I rarely agree with him. But I mean, he had in my opinion a very adult-
like, mature statement there, Congressman.

CLEAVER: You know, that`s the old John McCain, the one that a lot of
us appreciate. Reverend, when we were adding on to our church, we had to
buy a lot of property around the church. And so we had to have those
houses torn down. And so I went over one day and asked one of the guys
that was tearing down one of the houses if he could come take a look at my
house and he wanted repairs made. And he said look, Reverend, you`re
getting me confused with somebody who builds things. We tear down things.
And I think that it is important for us to understand that it is infinitely
easier to be a detractor than a contractor. And a president in his
statement was a contractor, trying to build a better America and those who
are attacking him I think are still bitter, and most Americans are trying
to get better.

SHARPTON: Now, Joan, some on the right are also trying to accuse the
president of ignoring crimes committed by African-Americans. Listen to


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When a president speaks, it`s to multiple
audiences. So from the prism of self-defense, if you think of the young
mother whose 2-year-old son was shot in the face by the two black teens
that approached her in Atlanta, and that baby died, why do presidents
choose to speak about one case and not the other. So, it`s why it`s better
maybe not to talk about any of them. They chose to talk about this one.


SHARPTON: First of all, the president has talked about cases where
blacks committed crimes on blacks. He talked about -- let me show a case
he talked about in Chicago. And he and the first lady both spoke about it.
The first lady flew in and went to the funeral of Hadiya Pendleton. Look
at this.


443 murders with a firearm on the streets of this city. And 65 of those
victims were 18 and under. So that`s the equivalent of a Newtown every
four months.

me, and I was her.


SHARPTON: So here, the first lady went to the funeral. The president
spoke about it. Had the family as his guest at the state of the union
address. And yet he doesn`t talk about it? I mean, we can have different
opinions. We can`t have different facts, Joan.

WALSH: Dana Perino just showed her ignorance to the world, her
ignorance of president Obama as well as her ignorance of what an issue this
is within the black community and what an issue this is within the social
justice community.

I know you have worked on it Reverend Al. I know Congressman Cleaver
has worked on it. No one is looking away from this problem. But we have
multiple problems. And one of them is that an unarmed young man was shot
dead for what he looked like and that`s a problem. Black on black prime is
another problem. We can talk about that too. She is the only one who
doesn`t seem to be able to multitask and talk about different issues of

SHARPTON: No. And absolutely, we are going to keep dealing with
fighting and combating black on black crime. But let`s not, Congressman,
confuse the issues, because some of them are being cynical because they
didn`t want to deal with the issues.

I challenge any one of them to call and tell me a black in Chicago
that shot and killed somebody, the police came while he was still standing
over the dead body, and the police let him tell them story and they sent
him home. Because that`s what happened with Zimmerman that caused me and
others to react. And that is not what is going on with black-on-black

Black-on-black crime is wrong and Stand Your Ground is wrong. They`re
two different wrong. And don`t try the act like they are the flip side of
the same thing because they are not.

CLEAVER: They are not. And Reverend, anybody who says that blacks
don`t address that issue simply doesn`t know any black people, or they know
apologists. Look, as a pastor, as a minister, you and I and others are
constantly hitting on this issue. It`s a very, very complicated issue.
And it all relates whether it`s black on black or the failure to address
those problems, it`s the issue of the black male. And we`ve got to deal
with that because it`s something that we have to live with every day. And
I think it is absolutely horrible that somebody would even remotely suggest
that the president of the United States is not concerned about something
that is tearing about his hometown of Chicago.

SHARPTON: Congressman Emanuel Cleaver and Joan Walsh, we are going to
have to leave it there.

Thank you both for your time.

WALSH: Thank you.

CLEAVER: Good to be with you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Ahead, thousands rally all over the country fighting for
justice for Trayvon. So where were all those riots the right promised?

And some of the stars also came out for change. Plus, the dream
defenders enter night seven at Governor Rick Scott`s office. We will talk
live with the director of the city.

And somebody please get John Boehner a job description. We will
explain that one.

And friend or foe, I want to know. E-mail me.
"Reply Al" is coming up.


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do what I can for Trayvon Martin, I promise you I`m going to work hard for
your children as well, because it`s important.

TRACY MARTIN, TRAYVON MARTIN`S FATHER: Senseless violence, it`s a
disease. And we as the people have a cure. We just have to come together.


SHARPTON: The parents of Trayvon Martin speaking at rallies this
weekend in support of their son and in support of justice. Tens of
thousands of people gathered for rallies organized by my civil rights
group, the National Action Network. Even super stars like Jay-Z and
Beyonce turned out to help support Trayvon`s family and help support the

The rallies were held in 100 cities across America. They marched in
New York, Chicago, Miami, and Washington. They marched in Seattle,
Cleveland, Raleigh, and San Francisco. And they marched in New Orleans,
Milwaukee, Dallas, and Tampa. The cause was just. The rallies were
peaceful. But some on the right were predicting the opposite.

Here is what Sean Hannity was saying Friday night before the rallies.


HANNITY: Some people are concerned that this is going to be stoking
the embers, these rallies, and there is going to be incendiary rhetoric
used of these rallies. I will bet by the time I get back on the air
Monday, we`re going to have a lot of tape of a lot of incendiary language
and I hope I`m wrong.


SHARPTON: Guess what? He was wrong. Here is the incendiary rhetoric
we heard at the rallies this weekend. Here is what people were actually


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I see Trayvon Martin. He could have been one of
mine. And so, I came out to support his family, his parents.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Black, White, Asian, anybody should be out here
because what happened is senseless.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is something that really affects everybody.
It`s an unjust law.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is something I plan on being a part of for
the rest of my life. I plan on my kids being a part of it.


SHARPTON: This isn`t just about one day or one moment in time. This
was about a movement. It was about fixing the law and reforming our
criminal justice system. It was about justice for Trayvon and justice for
all Americans.

Joining me now our Goldie Taylor and Joe Madison.

And at the NAACP convention last year, Joe was given an award for
using media to promote civil rights.

Thank you for being here, and Joe, congratulations.

accept that award on behalf of all of us who understand what Frederick
Douglass understood and other people who understand that journalists can be
activists and have a responsibility because we`re the first drafters of
history. I`m not a journalist. But we have to make sure that this is, as
you say, not just a moment, but it is a movement. And so thank you very

SHARPTON: Let me ask you quickly, Joe, because I have some got to go
to Goldie.

But do you think some of the right-wingers are disappointed that there
wasn`t violence and incendiary rhetoric at the rallies this weekend and
would this fear up?

MADISON: Of course they were disappointed. You know, there is an old
country term, it`s called poking the bear. And you know, and that`s what
they were doing. And the reality is that what they need to understand is
this. That the country felt pain in what happened to Trayvon Martin, pain
leads to passion. So, what you saw was the passion in these marches and
speeches. Passion leads to what? Purpose.


MADISON: And that`s what you were talking about. What is now the
purpose? What is our purpose? The purpose is to, one, change bad laws.
Stand Your Ground is bad law. And so there is what we now have to do.

SHARPTON: And were very careful to tell people you must conduct
yourself in a way that did not hurt your purpose. Well could not have
anything but peaceful protests.

MADISON: That`s right.

SHARPTON: Let me go to you, Goldie, because I really want to ask you
this. I have been waiting to raise this to you.

Senator John McCain. I talked about him in the last segment. But I
want to show this. He actually said over the weekend he supported the
review of Stand Your Ground laws. Watch this.


MCCAIN: I can also see that Stand Your Ground law may be something
that needs to be reviewed by the Florida legislature or any other
legislature that has passed such legislation.


SHARPTON: But you have 33 states, Goldie, with Stand Your Ground law.
Many of us raising the question about changing law. Senator McCain saying
that, someone that clearly was the candidate against President Obama saying
yes, it`s in my state. Yes, Florida ought to review it.

Does that bring us closer to an intelligent discussion and not be
accused of all these kinds of adjectives that they`re throwing on the right
when you have John McCain saying yes, review these laws?

GOLDIE TAYLOR, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: You know, Reverend, the good fight
against bad laws like this will take uncommon allies to come together. And
so it will mean that in these 33 state houses, many of them in red states,
it will take friends from the other side of the aisle to get together with
right-minded people to get these laws changed.

You know, I have heard an awful lot about the incitement of riots,
which of course never happened. Riots happen for a reason. There are
components to it. There are -- there is economic repression, there is a
breakage with local law enforcement. There is causation. There is a flash
point. None of those things were present before the very peaceful riots.
And they certainly weren`t present afterwards.

SHARPTON: You mean peaceful marches? There were no riots at all.

TAYLOR: I`m sorry. Peaceful marches. And for people to categorize
them really as riots, to make that as your definition would mean that
everything that Dr. King did was maybe a riot. And we know that this is
certainly not true.

SHARPTON: Though they accused him of that, though.

TAYLOR: They certainly did. And those interest same voices,
ironically enough, who are accusing us of that today. At the end of the
day, the very people who are saying that, you know, violent riots broke
out. They are the very same people who believe that there was something
sinister about Trayvon Martin. They are the very same people who think
that there was something sinister in the heart of every African-American.
And that is the most important component of this.

SHARPTON: And I guess, Joe, nothing brings it home more than how we
look at things differently. And I think that is why what the president did
is so important so people can understand to look at things and share each
others` views.

And what I`m raising is there is a "Washington Post" poll out, new
poll out by "Washington Post"/ABC that says black and other minorities do
not receive equal treatment as whites in the criminal justice system. That
was the question. Blacks, 86 percent say that blacks and other minorities
don`t receive equal treatment, 60 percent of Hispanics said they don`t,
only 41 percent of white.

So here, you see more than double the percentage of blacks believe
there is unequal treatment than whites. We see the same thing differently.

MADISON: And, you know, it`s just like the old discussion about
black-on-black crime. Yes, it`s true, as you said in the last segment. 90
percent of black people killed by handguns are killed by black people.
Well, guess what? We found there also statistics that show 86 of white
people who are killed by handguns are killed by white people. But you
never hear anyone talk about white-on-white crime.

Look, the reality is that people base their perspectives on their
experience. And that`s what that poll suggests. Our experience gives us
those kinds of results. And what we have to do is respect those
experiences, therefore, respect our perspectives. But most important of
all, I think there is a common denominator, Reverend Sharpton, that leads
to what the real purpose is going to have to be. And that is the ballot
box. Because the ballot box or the lack of going to the ballot box is what
brought us Stand Your Ground. It brought us those legislators.

We failed in 2010 when we did not turned out in large numbers like we
did in 2008. And I will say this, finally. If we don`t do it, with this
24 team election coming up, then we are going to create a problem for
generations to come.

SHARPTON: But that is why I think, Goldie, that we have got to deal
with would share those experiences so people understand it and people
energized the voting, the interest of all Americans. And that is what I
thought was so powerful about the president`s speech. He said I have been
profiled. Here is a man who worked at Harvard University, was a senator
and a president, I, me, I was profiled. I know what it feels like to be in
an elevator and people clutch their bags. And maybe Americans, they never
heard it before I heard it with him. And I think that was what was

What I want to see come out of this is if a John McCain and people
like me can agree with reviewing the Stand Your Ground laws, we don`t need
just a conversation. We need to change law. When we dealt 50 years
before, I was old enough to walk straight when we dealt with the `63 march,
what did they do? They changed the laws. Civil rights act of `64 came out
of march of `63. The `65 voting rights act. You change law. You have a
conversation going somewhere. We can`t just talk about it. We got to do
something about it. We got to be about it. and if we can come out of here
with Trayvon Martin synonymous, with changing laws and bringing the country
together for equal justice, then at least we can say this is all been done,
not in vain.

And I think, Goldie, that is what I would like to see come out of all
of this.

TAYLOR: I think you are absolutely right, Reverend Al. I think we
have greater access and we will not total access to the ballot box today.
But we have to use that part. I think some of us, you know, took a nap in
2010 during those mid-term elections. We can`t afford to do that this

When we saw those are peaceful marchers out in the streets over the
weekend, they were marching because there is hope. They are marching
because they know that they can make meaningful change in collective
actions together.

You know, I`m one of those people who has been very hesitant about
this so-called national conversation. I think it has to be very local
conversation. It has to be with your neighbor. That be with your fellow
people in the PTA. It has to be how you share your experiences with the
people you know best, with your co-workers. And there, when you posture
greater understanding that the grassroots level, it will, you know, bloom
for itself on the national level in ways we haven`t seen before.


SHARPTON: Talk with your kids.

Joe Madison and Goldie Taylor, thank you for your time tonight.

MADISON: Thank you, Reverend Sharpton.

TAYLOR: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, fighting for justice in the birthplace of
Stand Your Ground. We will hear from the young activist staging that
dramatic sit in at the Florida state capital.

And speaker Boehner forgotten that lawmakers are supposed to make
laws. He slipped up? He told the truth about this do nothing Republican

Plus, celebrities like Jennifer Hudson had join the cause. We will
tell you why she was at the White House today.

Stay with us.


SHARPTON: The state of Florida is ground zero in the fight to repeal
stand your ground laws. For seven days and six long nights, group known as
the dream defenders have taken over Governor Rick Scott`s office at the
Florida state capitol in Tallahassee. Forty of them will be spending the
night inside the building. They`re demanding the governor convene a
special legislative session to address the state`s stand your ground law
and a new civil rights bill, the Trayvon Martin act.


(Protesters singing)

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Whose world is this?

(protesters): The world is ours. The world is ours. The world is

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Whose world is this?

(protesters): The world is ours. The world is ours. The world is

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Here in the state of Florida, here in America,
repeal stand your ground. Repeal it before -- repeal zero tolerance


Because they matter. These kids here, they matter. To me, they
matter to Florida, and Governor Rick Scott, they think they matter to you.



SHARPTON: Governor Rick Scott was finally forced to answer questions.
But has refused to meet their demands. But the defenders have no plans on
leaving. Law enforcement says they are allowed to stay as long as they
don`t disrupt official business. And now support for their cause is

Joining me now is the political director of the Dream Defenders, Ciara
Taylor. She organized the protest and has spent several nights in the
capitol. Thank you for being here tonight, Ciara.

CIARA TAYLOR, DREAM DEFENDERS: Thank you so much for having me.

SHARPTON: How is the group holding up?

TAYLOR: They`re holding up so well. We all are. We are just feeding
off of each other`s positive energy and the support that we have had from
the community in Tallahassee as well as around the country.

SHARPTON: Now, Governor Rick Scott has been forced to answer this
issue because you brought it so front and center dramatically. And on
Thursday, I want you to listen to what he told the press on this issue.
Listen to this.


GOV. SCOTT RICK (R), FLORIDA: I put together a task force of 19
individuals, bipartisan. They travel the state. They listen to ordinary
citizens. They listen to experts. And they concluded that we didn`t need
even to make a change to the law, and I agreed with their conclusion.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: Thank you. Thank you, everyone.

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Will you call a special session, Governor, on
civil rights? Will you call a special session, Governor, on civil rights?

UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Governor, why are you in such a hurry to


SHARPTON: Why are you in such a hurry to leave? Good question. But
what are your thoughts on that task force, Ciara?

TAYLOR: My thoughts are as they have always been that the task force
was just a complete sham, you know. Governor -- the governor keeps saying
that he can be in a task force to look into stand your ground. But we knew
from the moment that we heard the names of the people who are going to be
on the task force that the task force was inherently biased. Because a lot
of the people who were on it helped create it, or at least were open
supporters of stand your ground, rather.

SHARPTON: Now, a lot of people might wonder why I`m raising this.
But the stand your ground law directly impacted the case of George
Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin and is why we had this great movement that
many of us were dealing with nationally. Since this happened and
particularly in over 100 cities this weekend. The Florida defense law
cited in the jury instruction reads, quote. This is the jury instruction
the judge gave to the jury that determined the fate of George Zimmerman.

She wrote -- she instructed the judge, "if George Zimmerman was not engaged
in an unlawful activity and was attacked in any place where he had a right
to be had no duty to retreat and had the right to stand his ground." Does
your group feel stand your ground is partially responsible for the death of
Trayvon Martin and the resulting case?

TAYLOR: Yes. The Dream Defenders do feel as though stand your ground
was a part of what allowed George Zimmerman to walk free today to get the
not guilty verdict. However, we also feel that other legislation that
disproportionately affects black and brown people like zero tolerance
policies and racial profiling within law enforcement are also a part of
what allowed George Zimmerman to walk free. Because we like to talk about
it as the criminalization of our youth. And we feel as though that`s what
killed Trayvon Martin.

SHARPTON: Now, Florida State Senator Chris Smith appeared on MSNBC
this morning. Let me play you what he said.


STATE SEN. CHRIS SMITH (D), FLORIDA: If the legislature comes back
and we don`t even discuss it again, if we just put our heads in the sand
and pretend everything is fine, you will see voices growing. And I
wouldn`t be surprised if it gains more momentum if we don`t at least
discuss it. And that`s why we`ve been pressing the legislature to at least
hear the bills. At least let`s start the discussion, let`s do what the
President has said, let`s do what Senator McCain has said, let`s do what
Reverend Al has said. Let`s at least have that discussion in the
legislature. Last year they avoided it. This year is the time to act and
at least discuss the issues.

SHARPTON: Ciara, what is your response to Senator Smith?

TAYLOR: We agree with the Senator Smith. We actually supported his
reform bill of stand your ground. And he is absolutely right. You know,
if they continue to ignore the crisis that is on our hands in Florida, it
can only get worse.

SHARPTON: Ciara Taylor of the Dream Defenders. Thank you so much for
joining us. And good luck.

TAYLOR: Thank you. And I hope to see you on Friday.

SHARPTON: All right. I`ll be looking forward to it.

Coming up, note to Speaker Boehner, you`re a lawmaker. He says
something so out there it was actually funny. Next.


SHARPTON: You`ve got to hand it to Speaker Boehner. Wait until you
hear how he is spinning the worst Congress ever, next.


SHARPTON: The Speaker of the House has a pretty interesting take on
how his leadership should be judged.


BOB SCHIEFFER, CBS ANCHOR: Any way you cut it and whoever`s fault it
is, you have presided over what is perhaps the least productive and
certainly one of the least popular Congress in history. How do you feel
about that?

not be judged on how many new laws we create. We ought to be judged on how
many laws that we repeal.


SHARPTON: Does the speaker understand that he is a lawmaker? A
lawmaker is defined as, quote, "One who makes laws." Not a law repealer,
not a law ender, a lawmaker. But his theory firefighters should be judged
by how many fires they start.


BOEHNER: We should not be judged on how many new laws we create. We
ought to be judged on how many laws that we repeal.


SHARPTON: Well, Mr. Speaker, you`ve tried to repeal health care 39
times. And you failed 39 times. You`re not even successful by your own
standards. And look at what you`re trying to get rid of. It`s a law that
has given almost a million young people coverage. It`s helped more than
eight million Americans get rebates from their insurance. And it saves
senior billions in prescription drug costs. Sorry, Mr. Speaker, the health
care law is working, though I can`t say the same for you.

Joining me now are Angela Rye and Dana Milbank. Thank you both for
your time this evening.



SHARPTON: Dana, is that how we`re judging our lawmakers these days,
by how many laws they repeal?

MILBANK: What great logic. I keep telling my editors I should be
judged by how many columns I don`t write, and they never seem to buy it.
But you know what? There is a little secret for Speaker Boehner here is,
they`re not even doing a good job of repealing laws.


MILBANK: Because if you want to repeal a law, well, you have to pass
a law to repeal a law. So, basically, they`re doing absolutely nothing at
all. Although that`s not really fair. Just as this Congress has passed
fewer laws than any other, it`s had more votes than any other. So
basically, this is the wheel-spinning Congress that just can`t agree on

SHARPTON: Now Angela, you know Republicans are so opposed to this
health care law that they are refusing to even help their constituents with
it. The Hill reports, I`m going to read this to you. Some Republicans
indicated they will not assist constituents in navigating the law and
obtaining benefits. That`s outrageous.

RYE: It is outrageous. I think that a lot of members of Congress
forget that they`re not just politicians, they`re also elected officials.


RYE: There to serve their constituents regardless of party and
whether or not they agree with the law. Not only have they gone about
trying to repeal this bill over 30 plus times, they also refuse to
acknowledge that the Supreme Court has also spoken. It`s interesting
because we just are finishing up a week where a jury spoke. The president
said a jury spoke regardless of how many people, you know, whether or not
they agree with what the jury said or not. But the same party can`t decide
to support what the Supreme Court has said. It`s very interesting.

SHARPTON: And at the same time, Dana, one GOP senator actually said
that he doesn`t think his party can repeal the law. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Right now there are some popular things, as you
know with Obamacare. A lot of people are pleased that if you have a kid
that can`t get a job until 26, he can stay on your plan and we know about
the pre-existing conditions. Do you risk some backlash if you end up just
choking it?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Perhaps we could if that happened. But remember,
the way we have worded this, is we`re talking about further enforcement and
implementation of Obamacare. So we`re not talking about those things.


SHARPTON: So they`re not even talking about fully repealing the law.
I mean, what is it that they`re talking about, Dana?

MILBANK: Reverend, this is government by demolition. And the whole
idea with all these repeal votes, there have been 67 if you count the
various ones they`ve tried, including the ones that Republicans have forced
in the Senate. The whole idea is to undermine the law, to make people
think it`s going to be repealed so there is more resistance to it. The
whole idea is to poison people against the law and against government.
It`s not just the health care law. Republicans have been complaining for
years that Democrats wouldn`t pass a budget in the Senate.


MILBANK: Democrats passed a budget in the Senate. Well, guess what?
The House Republicans won`t appoint people to negotiate a compromise. So
the whole idea is to throw sand into the gears and prevent anything from

SHARPTON: But you know, Angela, Paul Krugman writes something that
may get to the court of problem. He says the GOP is attacking this law
because, and he writes, "Conservatives are right to be hysterical about
this. It`s an attack on everything they believe. And it`s going to make
Americans` lives better. What could be worse?" Is that really what we`re
dealing with here?

RYE: I absolutely know that`s what we`re dealing with in part because
in 2010, part of their strategy was they were going to work on repealing
and replacing, and somehow they got just on the repeal, so what`s worse is,
having to actually find an alternative because they`re going to find
themselves very similarly situated to what is in the affordable care act
already. They`re going to have to address many of the same issues and
concerns that are plaguing so many Americans. So what is worse is them
actually having to address the second part of their alleged strategy, which
is replacing.

SHARPTON: And you know, Dana, like for example in New York, I`ve seen
over the weekend that the premiums were dropped by at least 50 percent in
New York. And today Jennifer Hudson and other celebrities were at the
White House, just this afternoon for meeting really to talk about how they
can be helpful in educating the country`s youth on the affordable care act.
How important are efforts like this in educating the public about the law,

MILBANK: It`s very important that the White House and Democrats push
back on this. I think they`ve been a bit lax about this, and are now
finally realizing they`ve got a very good story to tell here. And another
piece of that story is as Angela saying the repeal and replace. Eric
Cantor, the majority leader in the House tried to replace it with a bill.
And guess what? His own caucus was so opposed to it, they forced him to
withdraw it. So, they can`t even pass sort of mom and apple pie things in
the House. Now, it`s completely broken down.

SHARPTON: Now Angela, is it wise then with having celebrities like
Jennifer, is it wise then to just go outside the beltway and just start
really breaking to the American people what the bill is, what it does, and
really talking directly to the American people?

RYE: Well, absolutely. And the administration already has. There
are tons of different efforts in place to educate people on implementation.
Of course, there are many folks in the country who really believe that it`s
been repealed.


RYE: I mean, the mis-education on this is really bad. And so there
are tons of implementation efforts already in play. We know that the
repeal is going to get stuck there in the House. The Senate is not going
to vote to repeal affordable care. Yes. We have got to educate the

SHARPTON: Well, I think at the end of it all when we get past the
politics, the question is, is the policy helping Americans? And when we
see the rebates, when we see the seniors, when we see people with
preexisting conditions, we see young people who couldn`t get insurance
before now can get it up to 26. The proof is in the pudding. And those
that never had any pudding ought to be happy and move forward. Angela Rye,
Dana Milbank, thank you both for your time this evening.

MILBANK: Thanks, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Thanks, Reverend.

And fire up the popcorn maker and settle in. "Reply Al" is coming up
next. Right here on POLITICS NATION, we have a very special welcome to the
royal baby.


SHARPTON: It`s time for "Reply Al." Keep sending me all your
questions. Friend or foe, I want to know. Mary writes, "How can the LGBT
and the African-American communities work more closely together on issues
of justice and discrimination?"

Because people that believe in justice and discrimination, especially
those that have been discriminated against any other reason than the
content of their character should naturally fight together for justice and

You cannot be against discrimination for yourself if you`re not
against it for everyone and willing to work with everyone for it.

Shirley writes, "How`s Sybrina and Tracy and family? Please let them
know that on Sunday I placed the parents and family of Trayvon on my church
prayer list. And we will continue praying for them."

They are strong, they are as strong as any family I have ever worked
with in the years I`ve been out here, and they`re very spiritual. And I`m
sure they appreciate your prayers and you putting them on your church`s
prayer list as they are both regular church goers and firm believers. I
really think that`s the way they would appreciate your prayers.

And finally tonight, we give a POLITICS NATION welcome to the Royal
baby. The town crier made the dramatic announcement about the new prince


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Here ye, hear ye, the first born of the Royal
Highness, the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge. May he be long lived, happy
and glorious and one day to reign over us. "God save the Queen."

(bell ringing)



UNIDENTIFIED MAN: The official announcement was placed outside of
Buckingham Palace after the birth. The little prince born at 4:24 p.m.
local time and weighed 8 pounds 6 ounces. Congratulations to William and
Kate on their baby. And I have a little gift for you. Here it is. It`s a
POLITICS NATION onesy for the little prince. And we hope he wears this
while he is watching us. And I have a blueberry pie for his parents.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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