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PoliticsNation, Monday, August 12th, 2013

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August 12, 2013
Guests: Sunita Patel; Nicholas Peart; David Ourlicht; Neill Franklin;
Zachary Carter, James Peterson, Joan Walsh, Joe Madison>

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Thanks to you for tuning in.
Tonight`s lead, a big victory for justice and civil rights. Today, a
federal judge ruled that New York`s stop and frisk program violates the
constitutional rights of minorities, a ruling with huge implications for
cities all over the country. The judge`s scathing decision condemned the
New York police saying they, quote, "adopted a policy of indirect racial
profiling by targeting racially defined groups for stops." And then,
quote, "each stop is also a demeaning and humiliating experience."

The judge also said, quote "the city`s highest officials have turned a
blind eye to the evidence that officers are conducting stops in a racially
discriminatory manner."

Make no mistake, this decision is a massive rebuke to city officials
like Mayor Michael Bloomberg, who today was still defending this
discriminatory policy.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: How do you think this ruling at all
threatens your overall legacy?

Almost 12 years now where people have walked the streets of New York City
without having to look over their shoulder. I suspect that`s probably a
pretty good legacy.


SHARPTON: Well, maybe some people can walk the streets without
looking over their shoulder, but that`s often not true for people of color
in New York and other cities across the country. Minorities are constantly
being harassed by police, even when they have done nothing wrong.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He grabbed me off the walk and he is oh, you`re
doing graffiti. And that`s when he put the cuffs on me. So when he turned
me around and I`m seeing the wall, how am I doing graffiti if it`s black
and I have a pink highlighter in my pocket.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They never say this is why I`m stopping you. When
you are young and your black, no matter how you look, you fit the


SHARPTON: When you are young and Black, you fit the description. All
too often these stops turn disrespectful, and even escalate into violence.
Here is a video of a stop at a barbershop this past April.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, I`m not done.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why you stopping first?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let me see your ID.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Why did you stop me first? Why did you stop and
frisk me? I`m going to give him ID. Relax! Don`t talk to me, man. I was
going to get him my ID.



SHARPTON: Stopping scenes like that is what the fight is all about.
It`s been about from the beginning. Today`s ruling is a step forward, but
there is more work to be done. The mayor and others should cease and
desist from this practice now. Yes, many of us that have stood against
stop and frisk from the beginning have been attacked. We have been called
race hustlers and all kinds of things.

But what are you going to say about a federal judge who is saying
people should not be humiliated? I remember how we marched just last June,
tens of thousands of us we brought down fifth avenue, past the mayor`s
house, NAACP, local level 99, National Action Network, all of us marching,
and taking the attacks of all those on the right. Only to say we want the
crime to stop. We do not want to have our communities become victimized by

But do you know how humiliating it is to be stopped five, ten times,
and you never did anything? We should not have communities that have to
worry about the cops and the robbers.

Joining me now is Sunita Patel, attorney for the center for
constitutional rights, the group that filed a lawsuit, and two of the
plaintiffs in the case, David Ourlicht and Nicholas Peart.

Thank you both for being here and congratulations on the ruling today.



SHARPTON: And I congratulate David and Nicholas because I know that
there was no guarantee if you stood up, that you would be sitting tonight
where you are in victory. And you could have been facing increased
harassment for this. And I want you to know that we notice. And certainly
the center for constitutional rights, I can`t say enough about you.

First of all, give me your reaction, how you feel about today`s
judge`s decision, Nicholas?

PEART: Well, I`m certainly grateful for this decision, you know.
This has been years in the making. And what this has done, you know, for
it to be acknowledged in federal court, you know, we all know that this is
an issue that happens in Black and Brown communities. But to have it
transcend beyond is groundbreaking. And I`m certainly grateful, you know,
that this is being acknowledged on this level.

OURLICHT: Absolutely. I think it`s a historical day. It`s a day
that is -- will be in the history books. And it`s great. On a personal
level, it would just absolutely overwhelming to hear the news. Just
emotionally to know that the city is acknowledge, and you know, certain
aspects I should say has acknowledge on what is going on here is wrong.
And to be, you know, at this point, it`s been five years of all of this.
To be at this point, it is just --.

SHARPTON: And you were lead plaintiff. You were in the case. But
give me the legal meaning of what this means in terms of law, in terms of
history. He said it`s historic. And I agree with that, and where we go
from here, Sunita.

think this is groundbreaking for a number of reasons. And one thing to
say, this is not happening in a vacuum. You know, the country is still
recovering from the Zimmerman verdict.

SHARPTON: No doubt about it.

PATEL: This is giving, I hope, this will give people around the
country some faith in the court system again. But just in terms of this
specific case, you know, we are looking at the court saying that the NYPD
is unconstitutionally stopping and frisking hundreds of thousands of
people, not just because they are -- there isn`t indicia of a crime
happening, but also because it`s on the basis of race.

SHARPTON: That`s right.

PATEL: That`s very key and very central here. In terms of where do
we go from here, the judge has ordered a court monitor to be put in place
to oversee all of the remedies that she is ordering, the injunctive relief.
And then, she is also saying listen, no court, no police department, and no
municipal agency can take the place of people who are directly impacted by
stop and frisk. So she has ordered the NYPD to sit down at the table with
stakeholders and come up with additional reforms.

SHARPTON: You know, people need to understand the judge ruled. Now,
this is not any of those of us that lead civil rights groups. This is not
those of us talking. The judge says it violates the constitutional rights
of minorities.

Reading from the decision, it is racially discriminatory. It did not
end the stop and frisk program, but it calls for federal monitor to oversee
reforms. I would have wanted it ended, but the judge said this. This is
the federal judge. Now let me try to make this live for people at home.
Let me go to you, first. You were one of the plaintiffs, Nicholas.


SHARPTON: You are young. Obviously you are a minority. You are
member of the African-American community. What do you do? Give me your
profile of what you do in life.

PEART: Well, I work with the brotherhood of (INAUDIBLE). It`s a
nonprofit organization located in Harlem. I`m an after school facilitator.
And I work with young people around these issues and around other issues as

SHARPTON: So you work with young people.


SHARPTON: Do you have family?

PEART: Yes, have I family. I have three younger siblings.

SHARPTON: You have three younger siblings. That you take care of?

PEART: That I take care of, yes.

SHARPTON: Don`t go out mugging people, don`t carry a gun, don`t carry
a knife.


SHARPTON: Never been involved in any kind of that hoodlum activity.

PEART: Never.

SHARPTON: How many times have you been pulled over by police and
frisked and humiliated?

PEART: I have been stopped between five and ten times by the NYPD.

SHARPTON: For what reason? You were walking around with your pants
sagging, right?

PEART: No, certainly no.

SHARPTON: So, why were you stopped?

PEART: I was stopped for just doing things that other people in my
community do, but they`re never stopped in Harlem.

SHARPTON: What about you, David. I know you did wear it tonight.
But you have got some sagging pants and some knives and guns that you play
with, right?

OURLICHT: Oh, no, I don`t think so. I graduated from University at

SHARPTON: You went to school?


SHARPTON: All the way to university.

OURLICHT: UA. And I`m actually in the process this fall to be
starting law school.

SHARPTON: Is that before or after you left the gang that kills

OURLICHT: I can`t remember, it`s all such a blur. It might have been
in the same time.

SHARPTON: So the point is that you are educated, working people. You
stopped five to ten times. You stopped?

OURLICHT: Ten plus. You can`t -- it gets to the point where you
can`t even quantify it.

SHARPTON: Because what I`m trying to do. People say all right, I
know Al Sharpton`s position. But I want people to look at normal human
beings trying to work, take care of three siblings. The humiliation it is
for you to be pulled over ten times for no reason. I mean, try to explain
to people around the country what that makes you feel like.

OURLICHT: The humiliation is one aspect of it. It`s also the
disrespect. It`s also the hopelessness and people that are people -- that
you are supposed to believe are trying to protect you. I mean, it`s like
psychologically, it`s like so heavy. To fear and to do not trust people
that you are supposed to. You are supposed to go to when you`re in need to
these people.

And, you know, when it`s not only just being stopped and frisked
illegally. It`s also the manner in which they approach you, the
aggressiveness that these people talk to you, the way they talk down to
you. It`s this whole big problem and it`s damaging. It`s damaging to
people like me and Nicholas.

SHARPTON: Nicholas, when he says it`s damaging, you know, we worked
with police in my group we have done the buyback program with the
commissioner. A lot of young men tell me that they want to work with
police, but their whole attitude around police changed because they keep
getting stopped and frisked. Do you understand that feeling, as one that
has been in that situation?

PEART: Yes. And I think that`s a result of these having a reactive
law enforcement, you know. They are very reactive. And you grow up, you
know, coming from 14 years old and being stopped numerous times for no
apparent reason. You know, it`s almost as if a kind of social condition
stop and frisk has become in our communities and it`s very damaging. It`s
very damaging.

SHARPTON: Sunita, you talked about people having some confidence in
the system now. Isn`t part of what you and the center for constitutional
rights saying with this lawsuit is you are undermining the ability of
police and community to work together if you have got this racial profiling
there where you appear to be the adversaries rather than our allies
together fighting these criminal elements?

PATEL: That`s absolutely right. I mean, what we -- you know, the
mayor and the police commissioner talk about this, bringing safety to the
community. Well say it`s actually doing the opposite. It`s harming the
NYPD`s ability to work with the community to fight crime. And that is
really what is an essential part of community policing.

And so, here, what we have is an opportunity, is the mayor, is the
police commissioner going to take the court up on this opportunity to join
with people who want to bring reform, or are they going to ignore the
mountains of evidence and just continue to appeal and waste the resources
of the public?

SHARPTON: So you`re not here tonight, and neither of the two
plaintiffs to gloat, even though I said congratulations. You really hope
that this can lead to some healing and bring about a new day in the city
and in cities around the country?

PATEL: Absolutely. I mean, this is an opportunity to build back
public trust and confidence in NYPD. And we really hope the police
department goes forward in that vein, rather than, you know, turning a
blind eye and stonewalling a process that a court has ordered should go

SHARPTON: Well, I hope that all of cuss do that. I hope the city

David Ourlicht and Nicholas Peart and Sunita Patel, I want to thank
you all for being here tonight and telling your story.

And I want to congratulate you for your courage. But I hope -- and
it`s not about gloating. It is not we didn`t beat the city. We are trying
to beat bunk the violence.

OURLICHT: We are the city. We are the city. And we got to work with

SHARPTON: I`m glad to have you on. I`m glad for the spirit in which
you operate.

Coming up, Attorney General Eric Holder makes big news today with a
major step forward for justice.

Plus, this rodeo clown wearing a President Obama mask in Missouri
showed the problem in today`s Republican Party. More on this offensive
display ahead.

And Oprah Winfrey headed into a career in politics? She has been
speaking out more. Some on the right are worried.

Also, what is on your mind? E-mail me. Friend or foe, I want to


SHARPTON: Up next, a huge step forward in the fight for justice.
What Eric Holder`s major announcement means. That`s next.


SHARPTON: For decades, our criminal system has been broken. But
today the Obama administration took a huge step toward mixing it. Attorney
General Holder unveiled an overall federal prison policy, ending severe
mandatory minimum sentencing for low level nonviolent drug offenders.


ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: Daily, a vicious cycle of
poverty, criminality, and incarceration traps too many Americans and
weakens too many communities. And many aspects of our criminal justice
system exacerbate these problems rather than alleviate them.


SHARPTON: Prisons shouldn`t be warehouses. But in America today,
that`s exactly what they have become.

Since 1980, the U.S. population has grown by over 40 percent. But our
prison population has grown by 790 percent, 790 percent. Those prisons
aren`t being filled beyond capacity with murders and rapists, no. They are
being packed with people serving sentences for nonviolent drug crimes.
People like Patricia Spotted Crow, a mother with four children whose life
has been ruined by a $30 mistake.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Patricia Spotted Crow has serve in
order than two years behind bars for selling $30 of marijuana. Her
original sentence was 12 years.

first year I cried every single night. I couldn`t take it. I didn`t know
what I was going to do. I just felt like it was the end of the world. I
got my mom and my kids out there that are waiting on me. Whatever it takes
to get home, I`m going to do it. I mean I`ve been doing it.


SHARPTON: Twelve years of her life for a $30 drug crime? Is that
fair? Is that right? Today, Americans all across the country are standing
up and saying no.

Joining me now are Zachary Carter, former U.S. attorney for the
eastern district of New York and Neill Franklin, a 34-year law enforcement
veteran of the Maryland state police and Baltimore police department. He
is executive director of law enforcement against prohibition.

Thank you both for coming on the show.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thanks for having me.

SHARPTON: Zachary, let me start with you. How important is today`s

ZACHARY CARTER, FORMER U.S. ATTORNEY: Well, it`s extremely important,
because it`s a first step in unwinding years of criminal justice policy
that has been driven more by tough on crime politics than sound policy. I
mean, this is policy that doesn`t originate from within the law enforcement
community because most veterans of law enforcement understand that you
can`t arrest and incarcerate your way to public safety. But you have to
have a balanced, smart approach. And I think that the attorney general is
using the discretion that all prosecutors have to ameliorate the system of
harsh laws. So, he doesn`t have a power to change the laws, but he can
work around them.

SHARPTON: Now, you have been a federal prosecutor. You have been a
judge. With you having to operate within these guidelines that now the
attorney general is giving prosecutors different ways to go around, would
it give a lot of prosecutors a feeling in the back of the head that I ought
to be filling the jails with people that have killed people or that have
done massive crimes that hurt, damage, and I`m stuck with putting a woman
like this woman I showed in jail for $30 worth of marijuana. We`re not
excusing her, but compared to other people that you knew would not get
mandatory time, I mean, how do you deal with that?

CARTER: Well, I think the prior policies over a number of
administrations have discouraged prosecutors from exercising sound,
reasonable discretion. I mean under the Bush administration, under the
first -- the last two Bush administrations, the emphasis was on the
guidance that was given to prosecutors was to charge the harshest readily
provable offense, whether it made sense in a particular case or not.


CARTER: And the beginning with the Clinton administration and then
continuing now, based on attorney general holder`s statement has been a
process of encouraging prosecutors to exercise discretion that in a way
that avoids harsh and unjust results.

SHARPTON: Now, let me go to you, Neill. You are in law enforcement.
You have been in it for over three decades. You heard Zachary Carter say
you can`t arrest and incarcerate your way to public safety. Do you agree
with that? And if so, why, and give me your experiences on that.

percent. Most of this is focused around our drug policies, a drug war
which we know doesn`t work, and we have made thousands upon thousands of
arrests as a result of these policies. And it`s actually counterproductive
to public safety.

You know, our institutions, our correctional institutions are not
colleges and universities. They are not institutions of higher learning.
When many of these young men and women go into prison for these nonviolent
drug offenses, they return to our communities more violent and worse off
than what they were when they went in. And more times than not, the only
corporation that will hire them when they return to our communities is the
drug trade.

SHARPTON: Now, you know, there is also the racial implications here.
Attorney general holder made it clear today that these laws unfairly target
minorities. Listen to this.


HOLDER: In recent years, black male offenders have received sentences
nearly 20 percent longer than those imposed on white males convicted of
similar crimes. This isn`t just unacceptable. It is shameful. It is
unworthy of our great country. It is unworthy of our great legal


SHARPTON: It`s not only unacceptable, it`s shameful, Neill. When you
look at the data, one in every 106 white men in this country is
incarcerated. But for African-American men, the rate is just one in every
15. There is a real racial element to this as the attorney general pointed

FRANKLIN: Yes, well you know, Reverend, let`s go to the beginning of
this. You know, what this is about, what this speech was about was about
those who are for the most part already incarcerated. But let`s go to the
source. That is the arrest. Your prior segment was about stop and frisk
and how we were treating young black men a people of color in New York

We need to address this from the moment of first contact with the
police. That`s the arrest. That`s the drug war. If we really want to be
serious about criminal justice reform and reducing the number of people,
mainly Blacks in prison, let`s sever the pipeline that is feeding the
prisons, and that is the drug war, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Zack Carter, the race element of this, you have been the
head of the eastern district in New York as the top federal prosecutor.
How do we deal with the data that the attorney general raised today about
Whites, Black, same crime, same criminal background, Blacks went 20 percent
more time?

CARTER: Well, part of it is enacting the kind of policy reforms that
the attorney general described today by relieving prosecutors of the
obligation of charging the most readily provable offense, we now remove the
mandatory minimums that have hamstrung the federal judiciary and forced
them to give sentences that very often they had to hold their noses to
impose, and permits them to make a judgment on case by case, human being by
human being basis in terms of what is an appropriate sentence for a
particular offender.

SHARPTON: Well, I think it`s important. I thank you both for being

I might also add, Zack and Neill, this is a bipartisan effort.
Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee are both pushing for legislation. And Jeb
Bush and Newt Gingrich have also called for it in the past. I don`t
usually agree with any of those four, but I do this. Or they agree with
me, however you want to put it.

Zachary Carter and Neill Franklin, thank you both for your time this

FRANKLIN: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, the offensive Obama clown, and what it says
about the right wing`s refusal to accept him as America`s legitimate

But first, think the GOP would still be outraged if FOX was producing
a Hillary Clinton movie? The answer after the break.


SHARPTON: Reince Priebus is ready for his close-up. The Republican
National Committee chairman says he is outraged, outraged that NBC and CNN
will make films about the life of Hillary Clinton. And he is threatening
to ban GOP debates from those networks unless they pull the plug. Roll the


REINCE PRIEBUS, RNC CHAIRMAN: NBC and CNN ought to halt their
promotional movies of Hillary Clinton. I cannot have companies in the
business of making -- what I consider to be promotional movies.


PRIEBUS: About the life of Hillary Clinton when at the same time we
know that her people are gearing up for a presidential run.


SHARPTON: So the RNC won`t do business with anyone, quote, "Making a
movie about Hillary Clinton." Well, in a true Hollywood twist, "The New
York Times" reported that the company in talks to produce NBC`s Clinton
miniseries is FOX television studios, the sister company of the GOP`s
favorite network FOX News. Now it looks like Priebus is editing his


CANDY CROWLEY, STATE OF THE UNION: So if we follow your logic, do you
think that there then is a connection to FOX news, and would they be
subject to the same kind of scrutiny?

PRIEBUS: The big question for me, Candy, is number one. Which
company is putting on it the air, who is doing the work. I`m going to
boycott the company that puts the miniseries and the documentaries on the
air for the American people to view.


SHARPTON: Wow. Give that man an academy award for ducking the
question. They`re going to be using this in the GOP blooper reel one day.
Mr. Priebus, did you think we would ignore you`re a-list hypocrisy? Nice
try, but we got you. And that`s a wrap.


SHARPTON: Want to know what is wrong with the Republican Party today?
Here it is. It`s a rodeo clown with the President Obama mask at the
Missouri State Fair over the weekend.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Hey, let me tell these people about who we have
helping. Obama is going to have to just stay there. Obama, watch out for
those bulls.

UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: The bulls are going to get you, Obama, he`s going
to get you!


SHARPTON: Fair goers say the crowd went wild at the vile attacks.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Hey, I know I`m a clown. He just running around
acting like one, doesn`t know he is one.



SHARPTON: The fair goer who shot this video said other clowns played
with the lips on the Obama mask.


rally there had been no reason to mess with his lips if he had been a white


SHARPTON: Give credit to the state`s republican lieutenant governor,
who denounced what happened. So did the Missouri State Fair. But this
isn`t the far right`s first rodeo, and it`s not just a few Tea Partiers.
And that`s why the Republican Party is at the big crossroads. Last week
Speaker John Boehner played golf with the birther king himself, Donald
Trump, who is still unsure whether the President was born here.



UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Even at this point?

TRUMP: Well, I don`t know. Was there a birth certificate? You tell
me. You know, some people say that was not his birth certificate. I`m
saying I don`t know.


SHARPTON: And Republicans aren`t just playing golf with Trump,
they`re imitating his strokes. This weekend, GOP Congressman Blake
Farenthold said this.

REP. BLAKE FARENTHOLD (R), TEXAS: If we were to impeach the President
tomorrow, you could probably get the votes in the House of Representatives
to do it. But it would go to the Senate and he wouldn`t be convicted.
What message to do send to America if we impeach Obama and he gets away
with what he`s impeached, is found innocent? What do we say then is OK?


SHARPTON: Impeach the President for not being born here? This is the
big problem in the GOP right now. Do they go far right and off the cliff,
or do they go back to being the party of Lincoln?

Joining me now is MSNBC contributor James Peterson and Joan Walsh,
editor-at-large for Her article today is titled the "GOP`s
Rodeo of Racism Blows Up." Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: You know, I want to hear what both you have to say on this,
starting with Joan. This rodeo clown is not an isolated incident, and it
gets to the heart of the problem for the GOP. What do you make of it,

WALSH: Well, it`s appalling, Reverend Al. But you`re right. It`s
not an isolated incident when you have the Speaker of the House, the
republican leader John Boehner golfing with the birther in chief, Donald
Trump, he is giving his blessing to that whole point of view. This is the
third horrible incident we`ve had in a week regarding the president. We
had the people in Arizona singing bye-bye black sheep and saying impeach
the half-white Muslim.

We had somebody in Florida holding a Kenyan go home sign when he was
at a disabled veteran`s event. I mean, this we thought -- maybe, I don`t
know, if we were optimistic, we thought maybe this was something that was
an outpouring in 2009, and it was over by now. But you know, Reince
Priebus is going to have to order an autopsy of his autopsy, because all
that talk about inclusion and tolerance and a new direction for the party,
forget about it. This is 2012 all over again. The clown car is here.

SHARPTON: James, an autopsy of the autopsy?

PETERSON: I mean, I don`t even know if that would work, Rev. I mean,
this particular clown piece is pretty disgusting, although we`ve seen this
president be besmirched by different effigies at different sort of rallies
and different events. I think when we set aside the political differences
here between the Republican Party and the President of the United States,
we would be ignorant to ignore the very real fact and the substance of
which is in this segment, but also has been born out over years.

If we look back to the original presidential election, look back even
to the 2012 presidential election at the core of some of this is just flat-
out racist. There are just some people in this country who still hold on
to old school racist ideologies. And it`s what is really sad is that you
have public figures like a Donald Trump and some political figures who are
willing to stoke the fires of racism in order to score political points.
And so that`s where these things come together, and that`s where they`re
most combustible. And that`s where they`re most unfortunate and sad as

SHARPTON: You know, Joan, they`re still after Obamacare. I mean,
when you deal with coming from the rodeo, you are dealing with people that
are just no matter what want to stop the President`s healthcare plan.
Congressman Louis Gohmert insisted this weekend Republicans should do all
they can to block Obamacare. Watch this.


REP. LOUIE GOHMERT (R), TEXAS: We don`t have to wait for the Supreme
Court. We can`t force that. And we can say, you`re going to abide by the
constitution, whether the Supreme Court gets it wrong or right. We have
the ability to force respect for the law. And some of us think that we
ought to force them to do that.


SHARPTON: I mean, this is unimaginable to people that do adult
leadership in politics. You want to throw out the whole government, put
everyone in this kind of turmoil.

WALSH: Right.

SHARPTON: Because you want to stop a policy that wouldn`t even be
stopped if you shut the government down.

WALSH: Right. And people like to point to Louis Gohmert as somebody
who is maybe not that smart and always says outrageous things. But now you
have got Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, two people mentioned as 2016 contenders
saying the same exact thing. The one good thing I will point to though is
Eric Cantor is starting to see that this is political suicide for the GOP.


WALSH: And he`s saying not that he doesn`t want to do it, but then he
knows they can`t do it, and trying to speak some realism. But it may be
too late, Reverend Al.

SHARPTON: No. James it`s true. Eric Cantor is the first time we
have heard from a republican leader at least saying this can`t happen. Let
me show you what Eric Cantor said over the weekend.

But now, let me -- Eric Cantor says that it can`t happen. But Ted
Cruz says, that he is leading the shutdown charge. He didn`t get the memo.
He is still talking shutdown. The right wing base gave him a standing
ovation this weekend. When he said this, listen.


SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: There is no more important regulatory
reform that we can do than to repeal every single word of Obamacare.



SHARPTON: So James, even in the face of Cantor saying it can`t happen
because of the Senate won`t do it, Cruz, others, as Joan is pointing out,
these are figures even being spoken of in terms of running for president,
they`re adamant and getting standing ovations about it.

PETERSON: Yes, it`s absurd that that kind of rhetoric gets that kind
of applause. And whether you agree with the affordable health care or not,
we should all be talking about how do we get more people on health care.
Affordable health care act does that so to be against that is to be against
the humanity and access health for people in this country. What we have
separate, Eric Cantor who is not going to be running for president and who
has to sort of control the Tea Party caucus within the republican caucus in
the House from those senators like Senator Cruz and other political figures
who are already trying to get out in front of the campaign.

Remember, Reverend Al, they need as much time as possible for their
presidential runs because they`ve got to go all the way to the right. And
they`re going to try to come back towards the middle. Unfortunately, they
haven`t learned anything from their autopsy. They`re going to make the
exact same zigzag that Mr. Romney tried to make and failed that in 2012.

SHARPTON: Joan Walsh, James Peterson, thank you for your time

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.

PETERSON: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: Ahead, Oprah Winfrey gets political, and the right wing
talkers go on the attack.

And first dog Bo makes a big appearance in our summer break, next.


SHARPTON: We`re back with our pause from the political battles of the
day, a time to rest, relax, and recharge. That`s right, it`s time for the
POLITICS NATION summer break. And at number three, baby elephant swimming.
This three-week-old is enjoying some fun in the kiddie pool at the Fort
Worth Zoo. He is falling down and rolling around, trying to cool off.
Yes, an elephant that puts a smile on your face for a change.

At number two is truly one of the weirdest things I`ve ever seen.
After a long day at work, who doesn`t look forward to little bath in a
carbonated beverage? Yes, this man`s got his own idea of happy hour.
Bathing in 300 cans of Pepsi max. We have no idea why he is scrubbing in
zero calorie soda. But look at him fizz up that tub. He is relaxing and
soaking it all in, dumping it on his head, cleaning his face, and even
dunking his head in that zero calorie bath.

Who knew the elephant had the better hygiene. And at number one, Bo
knows selfish, yes, first lady Michelle Obama took these self portraits of
her and first dog Bo at the White House over the weekend. The dog days of
summer just got a little better. And that`s today`s summer break.


SHARPTON: She`s the queen of all media, but is Oprah Winfrey turning
to a career in politics? For decades, Oprah Winfrey has been one of the
most powerful people in entertainment. But today, her sights aren`t just
set on Hollywood. She is looking at Washington too. She is starring in
the new movie "The Butler," based on the life of a man who worked as a
White House butler for eight presidents.

She recently made a rare political endorsement for Newark Mayor Cory
Booker`s New Jersey Senate campaign, and helped him fundraise. Earlier
this summer, she got very political, passionately taking a stand for gun
control and immigration reform. During a speech at Harvard University.
And just last week, she weighed in on the Trayvon Martin case.


OPRAH WINFREY, TV TALK SHOW HOST: It`s so easy during this time,
Trayvon Martin, Trayvon Martin parallel to Emmett Till, let me just tell
you. In my mind, same thing. But you can get stuck in that and not allow
yourself to move forward and to see how far we have come. Look at how far
we have come.


SHARPTON: Powerful words. So is there a political future ahead for
Oprah Winfrey? Who knows? But you can already see the fear coming from
those right wing talkers.

Joining me now is Joe Madison. Thanks for being here, Joe.

JOE MADISON, SIRIUS XM HOST: Thank you, Reverend Sharpton.

SHARPTON: You know, Joe, everything Oprah touches turns to gold,
books, products, whatever she endorses. So it could mean something. I can
see why the right-wing talkers are concerned. What could it mean if she
gets even more political?

MADISON: Well, she has a large footprint, as they say. Oprah is a
brand unto herself. There is no if, and, buts about it. And the reason is
because she is one, a very intelligent woman. She did not get where she is
by accident. She has earned it all. And most important of all, Oprah has
transcended just about everything. She has transcended race. She has, you
know, she has transcended gender. And I think that the reason the
Limbaughs of the world are jumping her is because they`re attempting to
marginalize her in the eyes of most of us. But you can`t marginalize a

SHARPTON: Let me tell you why. There was one report of a political
power that credited her with giving President Obama one million vote boosts
in the 2008 primaries. And when you look at that and you start seeing how
the right slammed Oprah for comparing Trayvon Martin to an earlier
generation`s reaction to Emmett Till. And she was comparing reactions, not
the incident. But here is some of what they had to say about it.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Tell me then, how in any way you can
compare these two cases. She seems to be on a spiritual journey. This was
just over the top, as you pointed out. The Emmett Till case, it just
didn`t help.

GLENN BECK, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Help me out, Oprah. How are these
stories like each other at all? At all? It`s offensive. And I would go
as far as calling it evil to compare these two events.


SHARPTON: Joe, is evil to compare the reaction?


SHARPTON: I mean of these two? I mean, why are they so eager to
attack her? She said parallel meaning the reaction is the same.

MADISON: Yes, and parallels, if they study geometry, you know don`t
cross, they run parallel. Well, I could draw a parallels. One, you`d have
two southern states. Two, you had a predominantly white, all-white jury.
Three, the person who did the killing was acquitted. So, I mean, there are
some parallels.

SHARPTON: And that was a national uprising, a national movement that
came out of both cases. I think that`s what you and I remember.

MADISON: Absolutely. There are a lot of parallels. But what you
have are individuals like those you showed who by the way hadn`t said,
written, or done a thing about Trayvon Martin. And I doubt very seriously
if they were impacted like Oprah, you, I, and others were with Emmett
Till`s death.

SHARPTON: Well, let me say this. And I was -- I think I was just
born when Emmett Till happened. But I`ve been reading about it ever since.
But let me say this. She also made news talking about when she personally
tried to shop for a bag and was denied in Switzerland, and they said it was
too expensive, obviously being racially profiled. But Rush Limbaugh
responded to her saying this about her own personal experience. Let me
show you what he had to say about Oprah talking about being profiled in


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: We do not know the salesperson
based her judgment on the Oprah`s skin color. The salesperson obviously
thought that the Oprah couldn`t afford the what it is, $38,100 bag? Maybe
it`s because the Oprah is fat.


SHARPTON: So fat people don`t have money. I`m sure that`s what it
was, Joe.

MADISON: Right. I mean, is that like the kettle calling the pot
black, like my grandmother used to say there? Are you kidding me? And you
know I had a call from Zurich, Switzerland this morning where there is a
Limbaugh type on television who said -- who said Oprah did this in order to
get publicity because she is on a downward spiral.


MADISON: I mean, are you kidding me? She`s got a hit movie getting
ready to come out, and there is nothing downward about what her network is

SHARPTON: Well, tell Oprah the next time she is going on a downward
spiral, take me with her.

MADISON: I`m telling you.

SHARPTON: Joe Madison, thank you for your time tonight.

MADISON: Always, Reverend, always. Thank you.

SHARPTON: Friend or foe, I want to know. "Reply Al" is next.


SHARPTON: It`s time for "Reply Al." Remember, friend or foe, I want
to know.

Charles writes, "North Carolina is attacking our voting rights.
Everyone should have the right to vote. It is our constitutional right."

Charles, you`re right. And today the most radical voter suppression
bill in the country is now law in your state. Governor Pat McCrory quietly
signed it today. No cameras, no formal ceremony, just a statement. Like
he was trying to hide something. But that`s the job of activists, that we
pull the covers off and expose them. I lost one of our pioneering voting
rights activists Bill Lynch, my good friend on Friday. In his name, we`re
going to keep fighting. We`re going to turn North Carolina and other
states around. We cannot have state law supersede our civil and voter

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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