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The Ed Show for Monday, August 26th, 2013

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August 26, 2013

Guests: Dan Seco, Sen. Barbara Boxer, Lizz Winstead, Zerlina Maxwell, Joan Walsh, Sen. Sherrod Brown


wealthiest nation on earth, no illness or accident should lead to any
family`s financial ruin.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: You need to pay attention to what`s happening in
your backyard.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Defund Obamacare.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO (R) FLORIDA: Defund Obamacare.


SCHULTZ: I wanted to do healthcare because I knew it would change the
country and I knew it could help people.

BACHMAN: We see this coming, just like the Titanic.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: Are you saying the society should just let him die?




the people who will vote for the president no matter what, all right?
There are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government.
We believe that they are victims.

SCHULTZ: Is that who the Republicans are?

We shouldn`t be talking about infrastructure investment, investing in
education, investment in workers and go on round two on healthcare.

UNIDENTIFED MALE: I want to repeal the law of the land. Is that clear?

SCHULTZ: We will not back down from that fight.

I`ve been very proud to do that.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight, folks. Well, here we are, back
on weeknights. Have I seen this studio before? No, it must be a different
zip code, whatever. It is great to be here, Monday through Friday, 5:00
Eastern Time. Let me give you the Ed guarantee when we start this thing
back up again Monday through Friday.

This show is not going to change. I`m still Ed. I`m still going after the
stories that affect middle class and everyday Americans, issues that make a
difference to families and issues that affect your life. Issues like
protecting the middle class, workers` rights, equal rights, civil rights,
healthcare, income inequality, women`s rights, and any other story that
takes you right to the dinner table every night.

I want you to join me, every night, 5:00 Eastern Time. So, tonight, I
thought I would start with healthcare. And I want all of you to know that
I`ve been doing everything I possibly can to keep my blood pressure down
this summer, you know what I mean? Oh, look at that. This was a heck of a
fish. Son of a gun. We got a lot of them this summer.

Now, while I was keeping my blood pressure down, worrying about healthcare,
and doing stuff like this, the Republicans, they have spent their summer
running around the country at town halls lying about Obamacare. I`m not
going to let them off the hook. I`ve spent my summer doing this.

They`ve spent their summer lying. You know, what is so vitally important
about what we have to understand about Obamacare? Is that this will change
the country. I see these talking heads over on the right, they say, well,
how`s that hoping change working out for you? Well, let me tell you
something. One year from right now when all the positive stories are
floating around America about what Obamacare has done for people, they`re
going to be saying, "Well, I really wasn`t against it."

I think it`s hugely important for Obamacare to be implemented so it will
affect the low number, 30 million Americans. They can receive life-saving
healthcare they so desperately need. Make no mistake, Obamacare saves
lives and it is good for America.

You know, so much of what we see in the news is negative. But, you know
what? It`s not negative. This is the most positive thing that this
country has done since the civil rights legislation that was passed back in
the `60s, and of course we know they`re trying to go after that too.

However, Republicans, they don`t agree. The Republican Party is hell bent
on election and taking away your healthcare. They will say anything and do
anything to get it done.


BACHMANN: Let`s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills
children, kills senior citizens. Let`s not do that. Let`s love people.

REP. TOM PRICE (R) GEORGIA: Increasing cost, less access, lower quality,
less innovation, limiting your choices. Madam Speaker, that`s a life-
threatening and terminal diagnosis.

REP. STEVE KING (R) IOWA: It is a malignant tumor. It`s metastasizing on
American liberty. It must be ripped out by the roots and completely repeal
then I yield back the balance of my time.


SCHULTZ: And I am here from the middle of the country, here to the Big
Apple to tell you that that is bull manure. Michelle Bachmann and John
Boehner do in the (ph) house. They have voted 40 times. Why have they
voted 40 times to repeal Obamacare because its 40 negative stories. That`s
what they want.

Republicans are on a full assault to abolish the Affordable Healthcare Act
and they`ll say and do whatever they have to do to make it happen.

Some Republicans are even willing to shut down the government. We`ve been
talking about that all summer even if it means blowing up the economy in
the process. The leader of this fringe movement -- well there he is --
Canadian-born senator from Texas Ted Cruz.


CRUZ: The continuing resolution that funds Congress expires on September
30th. I`ve publicly stated as has Mike Lee, as has Marco Rubio and a
number of other senators that I will not vote for any continuing resolution
that funds even a single penny of Obamacare.


SCHULTZ: For someone who was born north of the boarder, Cruz should know
the benefits of universal healthcare. But he don`t get it. He don`t get
any of these. On Sunday he goes on and says repealing Obamacare would
help. Would help Hispanics and African Americans?


CRUZ: It`s not working and its hurting Americans and by the way the people
it`s hurting the most are the most vulnerable among us. The people who are
losing their jobs are young people, are Hispanics or African-Americans or
single moms. I don`t think that`s fair. I don`t think that`s right.


SCHULTZ: We`ve had 41, 42 months of profit sector, job growth Obamacare
hasn`t cost any jobs. It hasn`t hurt our economy. It is saving lives.
OK, I have been asked to go over to Oxford University at the Oxford
Debating Society on October 22nd. Imagine that the regular guy going to
talkto all of us, smart folks.

Now what am I suppose to do? Go over there and say, "We actually have
politicians that go out and tell the truth about Obamacare?" I have to go
over there overseas and say that Republicans are lying to their
constituents when it comes to benchmark legislation that could favorably
change this country because this is only a start.

Now I`ve heard a lot of lies coming from Republicans this summer but that
one right there takes the cake. Obamacare is not going to be hurting
Hispanics and African-Americans. The numbers 1.4 million young African-
Americans and Latinos can now stay with their parents insurance until
they`re 26 years old. That`s an important number and I`ll tell you more
about that in a moment.

And overall, 17 million African-Americans and Latinos will be able to get
coverage through Obamacare. That is progress. That`s hope. That is real
change. Now President Obama is pretty much fed up with these jokers over
on the right especially Cruz and his dangerous attempts to repeal

The President had no problem calling out Republicans on their reckless
threats to shut down the government.


OBAMA: Most recently there`s been threats that we would shut down the
government unless we agree to roll back the healthcare reform that`s about
to provide millions of Americans with healthcare coverage for the first
time. And that`s not an economic plan. That`s not going to grow the
economy, that`s not going to strengthen middle class and it`s not going to
create ladders of opportunity into the middle class.

What we need to do is focus on the pocketbook, bread-and-butter issues that
affect all of you


SCHULTZ: President Obama is spot-on. Taking away your healthcare by
shutting down the United States government simply is not an economic plan.
Holding America hostage is not an economic plan. It`s immoral. It`s
dangerous and Canadian senator Ted Cruz who happens to now reside in Texas
needs to stop making threats and just do your job dude.

What is your plan for healthcare? Meanwhile Ted Cruz, well, he`s got a
partner in crime. Enter Heritage Foundation president and former senator
Jim DeMint from South Carolina. He`s on this 9-city bus tour with Cruz.
The pair, they`re traveling around the country on a crusade against the
Obamacare. It`s a dysfunctional bus tour. It`s a joke and they`re lying.
Their message is distorted and Jim DeMint is so far off the rail. He says
that President Obama might repeal his own signature legislation?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Senator DeMint, what`s the point of voting to defund
the Obamacare when we know that President Obama won`t sign it.

Do we?


SCHULTZ: Well, we really don`t that, do we? Yes, right. I know it`s no
surprise to Democrats but Jim Waterloo DeMint is living on the moon.
President Obama will not be repealing his own Obamacare.

Now to be fair, DeMint has put really one real good idea on the table if
you`re a Republican. For the first time ever a Republican has come up with
a replacement plan for Obamacare. Jim DeMint is pushing the falsehood that
uninsured Americans will "get better healthcare just going over to the
emergency room." We all know that is a lie. It is going to move
healthcare costs up and is going to put American lives at risk.

Now this summer we`ve heard a lot of lies. Here`s what you need to know
about Obamacare and nothing more to simplify all of these.

To simplify all of this. The lynchpin in this is that the Republicans want
to give the power to the insurance companies. They want the insurance
companies to control your life. They want the insurance companies to send
you those letters and pick up the phone and call you, and deny you because
you might be sick.

Think about that. This is who the Republicans want to give the power to.
President Obama wants to give the power to you, the consumer, the sick
consumer who will never be denied. You can hear everything you want about
losing jobs, about what kind of care you`re going to be getting and how
long the lines are going to be and the lot, `cause all you need to know is
that when this real live stories come home to risk to these guys a year
from now, they`re going to realize how much trouble they`re in, in the
midterms. How are the Republicans going to go home and run against a
popular program that they have been so vehemently against that they have
lied about and the public is going to know about it?

You see, there are people out there right now that it`s helping. Dan Seco,
now I said earlier, 26 years old, right? Well, what happens when you`re
27? Well, when you`re 27, you`re on your own. If it`s the Republican
plan, you`re at the mercy of the insurance companies.

But if you`ve got Obamacare which this gentleman is going to have very
soon, he`s going to get coverage. And he`s not going to go bankrupt, and
he`s not going to get that letter from that insurance company. This is
hope. This is change in America, and the Republicans are against it.

A freelance journalist, 27 years old, currently in remission, non-Hodgkin`s
lymphoma. It`s getting turned around for him. But of course, he`s had to
have fundraisers. He`s had to get friends to help him out. He has looked
for donations. But, you know what? When Obamacare kicks in, he is going
to be able to walk in the door and not be turned around by an insurance
agent who says, "We got nothing for you."

That`s all you need to know about Obamacare. It trumps everything else the
Republicans are talking about because this is life-changing. Let me bring
in Dan Seco himself. Let me introduce you to this gentleman, Dan.


SCHULTZ: It`s good to see you. You`re a good guy.

SECO: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: And you`re alive and Obamacare is going to help you.

SECO: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: What do you want America to know?

SECO: Well, I mean it`s not fair for people to have to live with something
like cancer or diabetes and not get the treatment that they need just
because they can`t get insurance. Or if, you know, they want to pay out-
of-pocket, go into debt, millions and millions of dollars.

And, you know, for me, I`m lucky, I`ve had friends and family to help me
raise money and get through what I`ve had to deal with over the past seven
months but, you know, there are people less fortunate than myself that
because of healthcare or of lack thereof, their lives are pretty

SCHULTZ: What do you say that the people like Jim DeMint who says that you
can just go to the emergency room and get better care?

SECO: Oh, and wait what 16 hours before you get health by a doctor and
maybe it`s not even the type of doctor that you need to see, probably not
the best way to approach that.

SCHULTZ: So, you have been living the help of your friends?

SECO: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: Donations, fundraisers, that`s got to be a lot of pressure.

SECO: Oh, yes. Absolutely. I mean friends, family, my mom, my brother,
they`ve all really stepped up.

SCHULTZ: And so now, with Obamacare kicking in, what are you going to be
able to do?

SECO: Well, I`m going to be able to get health insurance with my pre-
existing condition.

SCHULTZ: And is that a life-changer for you?

SECO: Oh, absolutely. It`s not a question.

SCHULTZ: I mean it takes the pressure off?

SECO: Takes pressure off me and everyone else. I mean it gives me a
second chance at life. I get the healthcare that I need to get better.

SCHULTZ: So, an insurance company can`t come in and tell this gentleman,
it`s over. How does it make you feel when you hear Republican say all they
want to do is repeal? What arguably is a basic right that you have?

SECO: Well, I say, walk a mile in my shoes or walk a mile in the shoes of
a million other people. You know, unless you`ve been there and gone
through it, you really don`t know, you know, what`s at stake.

SCHULTZ: What do you say the other cancer patients? What do you say the
other folks that have got illnesses such as yourself with Obamacare coming
on? This is a game-changer?

SECO: Absolutely. I mean right now, you know, you got to have a good
attitude and you got to hope for the best. And that`s all you can do right

SCHULTZ: What`s been the hardest thing through this journey?

SECO: You know, fear of the unknown, you know, you can feel great one day.
The next day, maybe not, you don`t know what`s going to happen, but luckily
I`ve had the support and the access to the doctors that have made a

SCHULTZ: What`s your future? You`re a freelance journalist. Do you want
to -- going to continue on with your career?

SECO: Yes, I hope so. I really enjoy writing. It`s a passion of mine and
I think being able to not have to worry about getting a job just for the
insurance is really, you know, that`s important for a lot of people and
myself specifically.

SCHULTZ: What`s your innards here? What does your blood boil when you
hear lawmakers say, "We need to take that pre-existing condition away?"
Because they haven`t offered to replace it with anything else and how does
that make you feel as an American?

SECO: Well, you know, it`s very easy for them to say, "Oh, it`s no big
deal." Well, what if you didn`t have that title. What if you didn`t have
that salary? What if your son or daughter was sick? You know, maybe you`d
be a little bit different.

SCHULTZ: Thank you and good luck to you.

SECO: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: God bless you. Keep going my man.

He`s got a fighting chance now. So, when any Republican already out there
and says, "How`s that help and change working out for you?" Just think
about Dan Seco. Think about his future. Think about how he`s going to
have insurance and he`s going to have a fighting chance at life again.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s
question. Will republicans ever have the character to admit Obamacare
saves lives? Text A for YES, text B for NO to 67622. You could always go
to our blog and Leave a comment there, we`ll bring the
results later on in the show.

Well, let`s talk finances now. Coming up, California Governor Jerry Brown
turns around the terminator`s destructive budget deficit. I`ll talk with
Senator Barbara Boxer who has some insights on that and conservative
columnist George Will has a new scapegoat for conservative policy failures.
Our rapid response pal (ph) is going to take on that claim later and a
quick program and reminder, Hardball is on its 7:00 tonight, Monday through
Friday. Chris Matthews, 7:00, Hardball coming up right after Politics
Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton. Stay tuned. The Ed Show is back Monday
through Friday 5:00. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. Time now for The Trenders. The Ed
Show social media nation has decided and we are reporting. Here are
today`s top trenders voted on by you.


ASEAN JOHNSON: I have a dream that we shall overcome.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our number three trender, Asean advances the dream.

JOHNSON: I am marching for education justice and freedom.

SCHULTZ: Stand tall in your community. Fight for diversity. Understand
its strength.

JOHNSON: Every child deserves a great education.

SCHULTZ: And make sure that every school is resourced.

JOHNSON: Every school deserves equal funding and resources. Believe and
you`ll so survive to what you believe in and you`re never too young and
never too old to do something. I encourage all of you to choose Dr. Martin
Luther King`s -- Jr.`s dream alive.

MARTIN LUTHER KING: I have a dream.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two trender, let`s get to twerk. Miley`s
VMA performance blur the lines while Katie Perry roared her support through
Obamacare and got a shout out from President Obama.

OBAMA: Our tweets has been posted. That`s what I`m talking about.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this weeks top trender, Golden State.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: California is golden again.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A remarkable turn around in the nation`s most populous

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After terminator`s, the economy is

GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R) CALIFORNIA: That California is in a state
of emergency. The economy condition has been deteriorating rapidly. The
$42 billion deficit is a rock upon our chest.

Hasta la vista, baby.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Jerry Brown has turned California`s budget

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He thinks the $26 billion-deficit, California voters
had actually agreed to just tax themselves.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The state on track to post a surplus this year.

GOV. JERRY BROWN (D) CALIFORNIA: At the next 4 years, we`re talking about
a balanced budget.


SCHULTZ: And let me tell you folks, that`s not California dreaming.
That`s the real deal. And with us tonight is Senator Barbara Boxer of
California. Senator, great to have you back with us here on the Ed Show.
I appreciate your time. Thank you.

SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D) CALIFORNIA: Well. Great that you`re back, I mean
this was crazy, and now I`m glad the world is right again. Welcome back.

SCHULTZ: Thank you. Well, it is such a positive story. How often do we
see such a drastic economic turnaround. Your thoughts on what has happened
to the seventh largest economy in the world when the wealthiest residents
pay their fair share.

BOXER: Well, it`s very clear Jerry Brown had a vision. He shared with the
people when run as did President Obama. The difference is that Jerry has a
very strong legislature, democrats run the place. They run all three
branches with strong majorities. And we know because we look back when
Bill Clinton was the president working with us, we got that budget
balanced. I thin the biggest miss out there Ed is that democrats don`t
know how to balance budgets when we`re the ones who do.

Because we do ask everyone to pay their fair share and we are tough on
spending that doesn`t make sense, and Jerry has done an outstanding job,
and so has the legislature.

SCHULTZ: So this whole theory about you can`t raise taxes on the job
creators. We heard it during with the Bush tax cuts. The democrats went
along, the first two years extended them, then they expired we`re still
adding jobs in our economy in the private sector since the Bush tax cuts
expired. What does that model in the model of California really tell this
country about income inequality and people paying their fair share in a
growing economy?

BOXER: Well, there is one word that I think we always have to focus on and
that`s fairness, Ed. Everyone has to do their part, and clearly, I mean
I`ve spoken to people in California who earn a lot, who were very anxious
to help the country and help their state. And I think here in California
we`ve proven the point you know, a rise in tide lifts all boats.


BOXER: No question about it. And everybody doing their part. The workers
certainly have gotten more productive than ever, and by the way, I want to
tell you something. We need to raise the minimum wage. That will make a
huge difference out there. People are struggling. The difference between
the very wealthy and the working poor is grown. We raised that minimum
wage, and we move forward with the vision of this president that we have
which is everyone pays their fair share. We make investments where it
matters. We`re going to be.

SCHULTZ: What would you move the minimum wage senator?

BOXER: This is going to be a great century for us.

SCHULTZ: Give me a number. Why would you move the minimum wage?

BOXER: I think about $10 -- about $10, about $10.

SCHULTZ: Now, we have heard, you know.

BOXER: I think that would right.

SCHULTZ: We have heard, you know, can`t raise tax on job creators, blah,
blah, blah. And now we`re hearing that Obamacare is going to kill jobs?
That this is going to destroy our economy. You have been in home working
your state. What are Californians saying about Obamacare as we`re in the
verge of implementing this fully?

BOXER: Well, people are very excited here. Those who know it better are
big deals. We have to get everyone to know about it, but let me tell you
we have 7 million uninsured Californians out of the 48 million nationwide.
And our -- Obamacare which I was proud to vote for and still I`m proud that
I did that vote is going to cover 30 million people.

We`re going to take the working poor and get them Medicaid, and the rest
will go to the exchanges. Most of our people will go to the exchanges and
our exchanges here are really getting ready. We`re pouring a lot of effort
into it. Again, the state working with the federal government.

People will have the choice of gold plans, and bronze plans, and silver
plans, and platinum plans, and basic catastrophic coverage, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Sure. And I understand, premiums expected to drop some 29
percent? Is that an accurate number of what you hear?

BOXER: We`re doing very well. And here`s the thing about the Republicans.
First of all, the way we wrote the bill, its mandatory spending. So all
this talking about shutting down the government isn`t going to stop the
plan from going into place. They`ve tried to repeal it 40 times.


BOXER: Now I`ve served with five presidents. I`ve never seen anything.
The President ran on this healthcare plan, we passed it, the court upheld
it. What is it the Republicans don`t like about it, the fact that it`s
helping people like Dan, your former guest. I met a lot of Dan`s when I
was home.


BOXER: The fact that we`re saying to the insurance companies, "You have to
spend the money on your people, not pocketing it. You have to spend 80
percent of the premiums you get on the people. I mean .

SCHULTZ: It`s -- Senator, don`t you think .

BOXER: ... we`ve got Medicare people getting drug -- yes, go ahead.

SCHULTZ: I mean, don`t you think the Republicans are pushing so hard
against this because they know the generational effect that this is going
to have? I mean these positive stories, the one that I`ve told tonight,
they`re going to melt over the year. It`s going to be an awfully a tough
time for them to go home and run against this in the midterm. I mean this
is a defining moment ...


SCHULTZ: ... in some respects for the Republican Party on where they land
up with people.

BOXER: Well, listen. They`ve already chosen their path. And their path
is to take benefits that the people are getting. Why don`t they ask the
millions of 26 year olds -- millions who run their parents healthcare.


BOXER: Do they want to lose that? Why don`t they ask people like Dan,
"How does it feel to finally get interest?"

I mean -- I don`t -- I think that their opposition to this president,
that`s putting it amiably, is so powerful, Ed. They don`t care who they
hurt. But we`re not going to let them get away with it. And I think if
people who marched in that wonderful march you were at -- and I watched
your reporting on that. It was so inspiring. If they get to the polls,
working people get to the polls, people who understand the healthcare gets
the polls .


BOXER: . maybe we can finally stop this attack on this president and his

SCHULTZ: All right.

BOXER: . because it`s not helping America.

SCHULTZ: Senator Barbara Boxer, California, great to have you with us on
The Ed Show. Thank you so much for joining us. I appreciate it.


SCHULTZ: Jon Stewart take notice I said defining moment.

Coming up, Governor Bobby Jindal penned an op-ed calling for the end of
race. The rapid response panel joins me on that topic and more.

And later, many veterans are fighting a losing battle here at home. Ohio
Senator Sherrod Brown is with us tonight talking about our homeless vets.
Yes, they exist. We need to do more.

But next, I`m taking your questions on our segment. As in live just ahead.
Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back The Ed Show. We love hearing from our viewers
tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment.

Our question comes from Amy Lyn Souza. She says, "What do you think about
the federal government stepping in to help reorganize Detroit?"

I think it`s a hell of an idea and I think they ought to do it. We save
the automobile industry with a loan. The same thing can be done with the
city of Detroit. I do not like what`s happening in Detroit as far as all
the privatization and the gutting of people`s jobs in public services.

I mean, basically, what has happened in Detroit is that a local election
has been said, you know, you really don`t count. We`re just going to put
an emergency manager and forget it, it`s over." Is that America? I don`t
think so.

I think the Federal Government should write a check to Detroit. I think
the Federal Government should do those kinds of things to all
municipalities that are having trouble. Why not? It`s in our country and
it can get paid back. I believe in workers. I believe that Detroit can
turn it around.

Our next question is from Anita Haney. Why are the GOPs talk -- why is the
GOP talking impeachment when President Obama has done nothing wrong?

Because they have nothing else and they do believe that they can gin up
enough fear and they can gin up enough enthusiasm to get people to believe
that this is something that actually could happen. And they also do want a
vote on impeachment on the house so they can get on record that they have
impeached the last two democratic presidents and just stick in the minds of
the young people of America that, you know, the democrats, you just can`t
trust them. They got to be impeached. I really believed that this is much
of a generational signature as it is anything else.

Stick around. Rapid response panel is coming up next.

Market Rep. The Dow dropped 64 points, the S&P 500 losing 6 points and the
NASDAQ sliding down at 22 points. That`s reversing earlier gains in the
last hour of trading to close it in session lows for the Dow below the
psychologically important 15, 000 level. That`s it from CNBC First in
Business Worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to The Ed Show. You know, I just realized, I`ve
been in this business 35 years and I`ve finally had banker`s hours. It`s
not so bad. I`m out of here at the top of the hour. Remember to watch
Chris Matthews, 7:00, Hardball, coming up tonight and every night.

All right, noted feminist and all around reasonable guy, George Will
celebrated the 50th Anniversary of the March on Washington like any other
good conservative by completely ignoring the destructive republican
policies and laying the blame for inequality on single moms. On ABC`s This
Week, George Will argued single mothers are more dangerous to minority
communities than republican-led voter suppression efforts.


GEORGE WILL: A young social scientist from Harvard working on the Labor
Department published a report. His name is Daniel Patrick Moynihan. He
said "there`s a crisis in African-American community because 24 percent of
African-American children are born to unmarried to women." Today, it`s
tripled 72 percent and that not on absence of rights is surely the biggest


SCHULTZ: So what do you say, we compound the problem by making sure we
don`t fund their schools and their neighborhoods.

This isn`t the first time George Will has blamed single mothers for the
failures of conservative policies.


WILL: 79 percent of Detroit children are born to unmarried mothers. They
don`t have a physical problem. They have a cultural collapse.


SCHULTZ: Joining me now is our rapid response panel, author Lizz Winstead,
The Grio contributor Zerlina Maxwell and also Joan Walsh of

I`ll tell you what, I think I`ve just about heard at all.

Joan, you`re -- I mean the conclusions that George Will comes to, you`re

JOAN WALSH, SALON.COM: I just want to congratulate Donna Brazile for the
look on her face and for also not strangling him, she was very brave there.

It`s ridiculous. We all know it`s ridiculous. First of all, the white
community, white people have that the exact same rate of single parenthood
today as Moynihan talked about in 1965 and he`s not going around talking
about the crisis in the white family.

Second of all. Moynihan, he became kind of a (priya) on the left because
some of the language in the report is very problematic to say the least.
However, he pointed -- he thought that the reason, the rate of single
mother who was so high was because of racism was a legacy of slavery, the
destruction of black family, the destruction of black men.

So to take it out of context and say and to blame mothers because that`s
what they love to do, I mean, he belongs on fox.

SCHULTZ: You know, your life changes when you have a job. Your life
changes when that check is coming in every two weeks, I mean, income
inequality I think has an awful lot to with the social conditions of this
country. But conservatives are afraid to admit that.

Zerlina, you`re response to all of this.

ZERLINA MAXWELL, THE GRIO, CONTRIBUTOR: Well I think I`m really growing
tired of blaming and shaming women and particularly black women who happen
to have a child out of wedlock. I mean, conservatives don`t want to give
them any Reproductive Healthcare Rights and so, you`re having a child and a
lot of them may or may not want an abortion and aren`t able to have it if
you live in Texas. And so they don`t want to put forth any programs that
help those women once the babies are here like affordable childcare and

So the idea that we`re just going to blame mothers after that fact is
really just lazy because basically.

SCHULTZ: I mean, he`s just that an old unattached guy.

MAXWELL: He`s completely out of touch. He needs black friends. He needs
black friends.

LIZZ WINSTEAD, AUTHOR: I just think the thing that`s astounding is that
there are 74 percent of black women who know how to get pregnant all by


WINSTEAD: But no one`s talking about that, that amazing thing that, well I
did not know that. So first, like shutting that whole thing down. Black
women have the superpower where they can just get pregnant without any help
from a man. That`s amazing to me.

SCHULTZ: Well today marks women`s equality day, a day celebrating women
getting the right to vote back in 1920. I mean, but what -- these types of
comments that are made? What does it say about where we stand in this
country today when it comes the equal rights Lizz?

WINSTEAD: I think, it doesn`t say very much and I think it is so tone
deaf. And I think that it just goes back to a lot of white men talking
about women and never talking to women. And the thing that I say often is
the stories of women are powerful. The stories of people are powerful and
the first thing the right does is shuts stories down because they`re
convincing. Whether it`s women, dreamers, 9/11 widows and it`s really
frustrating to have them talking about us.

MAXWELL: Right. And that goes for black people as well and brown people.
I think that the problem is that like I said, George Will it`s not just he
just needs to meet maybe more black people but he needs to meet black
people that are not working for him perhaps or ...


MAXWELL: . or on his famed socioeconomic class.

SCHULTZ: I think our next topic plays into this. Louisiana Governor Bobby
Jindal back in November, Jindal says that the GOP should stop being the
stupid party but it looks like they may not have gotten the memo.

In an op-ed for politic or the republican governor for Louisiana blamed
racial inequality on minorities putting too much emphasis on their
heritage, ethnic background, and skin color. He went on to write, we must
resist the politically correct trend of changing the melting pot into a
salad bowl.


WALSH: You know, Bobby Jindal talks about the stupid party but he`s the
one saying stupid things, unbearably stupid things. I mean, obviously with
all due respect Indian-Americans do face racism, they face prejudice. But
to compare it to the African-American experience, to compare it to the
legacy of being enslaved, it`s just an unbelievably arrogant and dumb thing
for him to say.

SCHULTZ: As a woman of color, how do you feel about you`re playing the
race car, that`s basically what the governor from Louisiana is saying.


WALSH: And he didn`t have to.

MAXWELL: Right, and I think -- I mean the problem that comes back race
card narrative, it ignores the fact that race is not a card. I am a black
woman and so I move throughout the world as a black woman. It`s not
something that I choose to bring up, it is a topic that is always true.
It`s how I move throughout the world.

So, I think that if, you know, maybe it`s for him, it`s fine to ignore race
but that`s a privilege that everyone enjoys.

SCHULTZ: Well, according to the Justice Department, the first year of
Bobby Jindal`s own school voucher program, reversed much of the progress
made toward integration in 34 historically segregated schools. Is he
really the one who should be giving the advice to the Republican Party?

WINSTEAD: Well, I think that when you look at -- and, you know, if this is
what happens when you sort of decide that race and skin are the same it`s
kind of maddening where your entire being and the way you develop and your
whole process of who you are comes from what you`ve experienced. To not
teach whether it`s -- please fight for what you have come from.

If you are somebody who has come from something hard and privileged, should
like the Kennedy`s who were very rich and were taught to know (INAUDIBLE)
always give back and to make sure that you understand your privilege. So,
goes both ways.

WALSH: Right. Right.

WINSTEAD: And for him to just say, "Hey forget about who we are, ignore
what you are".

SCHULTZ: Joan, where`s the Republican Party? Are they being seriously
damaged when it comes to race and minorities in this country? How are they
going to be able to recover like this? I mean George Will, who I think is
a revered voice in the conservative movement in this country is basically
blaming minorities for the problems that they have thinking that every --
it`s a level playing field all across the sides.

WALSH: And so with Bobby Jindal, and so as -- we also saw Raul Labrador do
the same thing yesterday -- a Puerto Rican insisting that, you know, racism
is overblown. Yes. I think they`re hurting themselves. I think they
really cannot see a future where they can reach out and grab enough voters
of color. And they are stuck. They really believe what they believe about

SCHULTZ: So, how is their nominee going to handle this? They`re --
they`re putting their nominee for 2016 in an untenable position to come
back in he`s going to have to almost disagree with all of these things that
are being said.

WALLS: Well, trust me. He`s not going to disagree. He can`t disagree
because that`s what they think.

SCHULTZ: All right. Lizz Winstead, Zerlina Maxwell, Joan Walls, great to
have you in the Ed Show. Thank you.

SCHULTZ: State senator from Colorado has some diet tips and slamming all
of that right into the pretender. Stay tuned. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, America`s newest Paula Deen, State
Senator Vicki Marble. During a meeting in the Colorado capital, Republican
State Senator Vicki Marble cried foul on the health epidemic in black
communities. Now, Marble says African-Americans are just eating too much


STATE SEN. VICKI MARBLE (R), COLORADO: There are problems in the black
race. Sickle-cell anemia is something that comes up. Diabetes is
something that`s prevalent in the genetic makeup, and you just can`t help
it. Although I`ve got to say, I`ve never had better barbecue and better
chicken and ate better in my life than when you go down South and you, I
mean, I love it. And everybody loves it.


SCHULTZ: Oh yeah, you heard it right. The comment was racist and
insensitive. But on this subject, she is dazed and confused so she doubled


MARBLE: It`s not racist. It`s bringing out the facts so that you can be
aware and take better care of yourself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So you weren`t stereotyping?

MARBLE: Oh, no. I mean, I do weddings, cater weddings and do barbecue.
That`s my favorite.


SHULTZ: Maybe we should be commending her that she didn`t throw in the
watermelon comment, you know? I mean, she`s really on top of stuff.

The people of Colorado were looking for solutions, not stereotypes. If
Vicki Marble thinks her explanation is going to keep egg off her face, she
can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Punch In, Punch Out. Welcome back to The Ed Show. This is a
story for the folks who take a shower after work. You know, Republicans,
they just love to wrap themselves in the flag. And they got a habit of
ignoring real problems when it comes to our veterans. I`ve been saying
this for years.

Conservatives refuse to believe that veterans need the help when they
return home. Just watch this classic fight I had with O`Reilly five years


BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: We`re still looking for all the veterans
sleeping under the bridges Ed. So if you find anybody, let us know because
that`s all the guy said for the last ...

SCHULTZ: Well, they`re out there, Bill. Don`t kid yourself.

O`REILLY: And they may be out there but there`s not many of them out
there. OK. So if you know where one is Ed .

SCHULTZ: Well, actually, now -- it`s 200 to 500.

O`REILLY: If you know where there`s a veteran sleeping under a bridge.
You call me immediately and we will make sure that man does not do it, or
is not there.


SCHULTZ: I will do that. Well guys, like Bill O`Reilly have never
believed the hard facts. Now I`m going to give you those five years ago.

Let me give you some recent figures. Recent figures show that 62,619
veterans where homeless on a single, one single night in January in 2012
while Fox News and the Republicans parade fake pride for men and women of
the Armed Services. Nearly 63,000 of them slept on the street in one
single night. Helping veteran`s saves lives is good for America. No
question about it.

Thankfully, one senator is getting it right. That`s Sherrod Brown of Ohio.
He joins us tonight. Senator, good to have you with us.

SEN. SHERROD BROWN (D), OHIO: Before we start, I just want to say
congratulations being on this time slot with your new show and you`re such
a strong voice for working families and I`m so glad you`re back on the
evening with MSNBC.

SCHULTZ: Well, I appreciate that Senator. Thank you very much. I
appreciate the opportunity and I do what they ask me. I appreciated very
much. Thank you.

I appreciate all of things that you have done in the progressive movement
day and the last election cycle, you were attacked big time by Wall Street.
You stood tall for the people. You got reelected. You`re willing to stand
up and take a stand for workers and I`ve always admire that about you.

BROWN: Thanks.

SCHULTZ: And you`re taking a stand right now and this is a classic for
homeless veterans. They do exist in this country, and the President, you
know, has set a goal of ending veterans homeless just by 2015. What can be
done? What do you do? Build facilities and give them place to go? What
do you make of it?

BROWN: Well, there`s a lot of things. You first recognize the problem
that veterans that come home today are often more physically and psychology
wounded than those that came home 30 years ago because their lives are
saved in the battlefield when number of soldiers would have -- soldiers
might have died 30 years ago with the similar injury. Today, they`re

They also are more likely to have PTSD. We`ve recognized finally in
Congress something with Agent Orange called presumptive eligibility. My
wife is a journalist, and she know when it was written extensively about
what happened with Agent Orange in the damage it`s done to even the next

So the veterans administration finally with President Obama`s recognizing a
lot of these issues that weren`t recognize before, but it`s still a serious
problem. Chillicothe hospital in Southern Ohio is one of the leading
hospice, veteran`s hospitals in the country and dealing with homeless vets,
but it`s providing psychological services. It`s providing physical
healthcare services and its providing house.

SCHULTZ: And they`re not getting that now senator?

BROWN: Well, they`re not getting not that way they should .


BROWN: . partly, because of funding although the V.A. funding has gone up
more -- most of government, as you know, most of the government funding has
been cut for most things relative to last year, for instance, with
sequestration. All of the V.A. funding has by in large increased to deal
with the backlog, to deal with issues of community-based outpatient

There are 25, 27 of us something like that in Ohio in addition to the V.A.,
the major medical centers. We`ve -- we`re doing better but we`re not doing
well enough .


BROWN: . for people to say what O`Reilly said to you that, you know, "Find
me one."

SCHULTZ: It`s just denial.

BROWN: It`s just denial. It`s just outrageous.

SCHULTZ: And it`s exactly what it is. It`s total absolute denial.
Senator, good to have you with us tonight. We`re short on time. I
appreciate it so much. We`ll come back and talk more about this issue.

Understanding the problem of the vets is a big, big part of this whole
thing and getting Republicans to accept the fact that they need help is
also a big part of it.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation is next followed by
Hardball with Chris Mathews. That will be at 7:00. I know a lot of you
are used to watching Chris here for years here at 5:00. I`ve got this time
slot now. Chris is on at 7:00. He`ll give you a great show at 7:00 so
check it out right here on MSNBC.

We`ll see you back here tomorrow night right here at 5:00 Eastern.



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