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The Ed Show for Tuesday,September 17th, 2013

Read the transcript to the Tuesday show

September 17, 2013

Guest: Elijah Cummings, Tom Harkin, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Zarlina
Maxwell, Jessie LaGreca, Bob Shrum>


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think video game is a bigger problem than guns
because video games affect people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell the Congress they need to act, and act in

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Video games have a pernicious destructive effect.

OFFICER: There`s something evil in our society that we as Americans have
to work to try and eradicate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Why aren`t we looking at frequency of purchase
per person?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is
a good guy with a gun.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re murdering somebody in cyber space in a
sense you are performing the act, you like it or nor.

SCHULTZ: Earlier this year, 91 percent of the American people
supported expanded background checks for gun purchases. Congress voted the
measure down.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s go pass a piece of legislation. Restrict
the -- either this type of weapon or this capacity of magazine and there
won`t be anymore of this -- that is an absolute and total problem.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much we`re really giving up if we said that
this kind of weapon should not be readily available to anybody who wants to
buy one.


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks.
Thanks for watching.

I can`t sugar coat it. The news sucks. All the way around. You
know, there is a stark reality that this, here`s another shooting, another
day in America, it`s common place, it hurts, it`s gut-wrenching, it`s
emotional, it scars the country, and again, as a nation, we are grieving,
and we`re doing pretty good at this, aren`t we?

Tonight, I`m going to tell you something on this program that nobody
else is going to tell you. Nothing is going to happen with gun control in
this country because of the way we are politically set up, because of the
money in politics, because of the attitude and the divide in the cultural
divide that exists in this country. How do we get around it? I don`t
know. Most people don`t know either. There is a difference between the
middle of the country and the West coast to the East coast. There`s a
cultural divide.

My wife comes from a town called Fergus Falls, Minnesota, middle of
the country. This was just decades ago, not very long ago. Back in the
`70s and early `80s, kids used to go to high school and go hunting in the
morning then they`d have their shotgun in the back of their pick up truck
and they just go to -- go to school and the guns are on the parking lot,
cars unlock. That`s how America was how it used to be.

What happened? You know, kids that go hunting and fishing in the
middle of the country, they don`t get in any trouble. But that`s not the
way it is anymore, is it? Could you imagine a kid on the East coast to
West coast going out hunting early in the morning and then going to school
and leaving their gun in the car? Wow, things have changed, haven` they?

Well, if things have changed, why can`t we change? Just a little bit?
30 years ago when you got a DEY, it was like a parking ticket, wasn`t it?
When the cops fold up behind you and you had a couple of cowlings (ph) when
you were drinking the local cop knew who you were and said, "Ah, Johnny,
get on home to your parents now, knock that stuff off." Today, law
enforcement is an industry. You get a DEY. today, you were in for the
hassle of your life and it`s expensive.

Things change. Social attitudes have changed over the decades. But
on firearms, can we just change just a little bit? Can we get that
background check that 91 percent of the American people want? It`s sad,
it`s unfortunate, but at this point, mass shootings are almost expected in
our society. We`ve had seen so many mass shootings in recent years, we`ve
got a debate going on in Americas to what defines a mass shooting. Oh,
it`s only three people dead. Well, I guess it got to get into the double
figures for it to be a mass shooting.

Since President Obama has taken office in 2009, and the only reason
why I mentioned President Obama`s name is because he has had to do more of
this than anybody. But since he is taking office since 2009, there have
been 48 mass shootings where four or more people have died. It`s an
average of roughly one per month. Shockingly, there have been five
shootings where 12 or more people have died since 2009.

President Obama has had to address the nation on these mass killings
more than once.


pay tribute to 13 men and women who are not able to escape the horror of
war even in the comfort of home.

The hopes of the nation are here tonight. We add our faith to yours
that Representative Gabrielle Giffords and the other living victims of this
tragedy will pull through.

The reasons stories like this have such an impact on us is because we
can all understand what it would be to have somebody that we love taken
from us in this fashion.

We gather here in memory of 20 beautiful children and six remarkable
adults. They lost their lives in a school that could have been any school.

We`re confronting yet another mass shooting, and today, it happened on
a military installation in our nation`s capital.


SCHULTZ: A President who has been absolutely masterful at connecting
with people just has not been able to make a dent on this issue and it`s
not President Obama`s fault because it is all about the cultural divide I
was talking about of this country.

There are people who are so stubborn that just can`t move on this
issue. And you know, you and I, we may watch the news and do the news, we
may, you know, be novice news consumers. We`re really not on the front
lines, are we? We`re not police officers. We`re not doctors. We`re not
dealing with this stuff everyday as counselors. Most Americans aren`t in
those professions.

But the people that are on the front lines are the ones that we have
to listen to. Like Dr. Janis Orlowski who had the courage, the guts, and a
touch of heroism yesterday to step up and say this in the midst of it all.


ORLOWSKI: There`s something evil in our society that we as Americans
have to work to try and eradicate. I, have to say, I may see this
everyday, I may, you know, the Chief Medical Officer of a very large trauma
center, but there is something wrong here when we have this multiple
shootings, this multiple injuries, there`s something wrong. The only thing
that I can say is we have to work together to get rid of it. I do like you
to put my trauma center out of business. I really would.


SCHULTZ: We have to work together. That`s a noble idea, isn`t it?
Something Washington can`t do on anything? That is a doctor who has seen
enough, who is willing to stand up and speak in the midst of it all and
tell the truth to the American people. She sees it everyday. We have to
do something. Do we listen to those voices, to these professionals who
deal with this everyday?

Work together. How do we work together? Well, let`s start with the
gun owners of America. Can you budge just a little bit? Now, being from
the middle of the country and a guy who loves to hunt and fish, I
understand the gun owners of America. I believe I can say that with
conviction. Hunted and fished for 40 years of my life, absolutely love it.
Do it every fall. I understand going out fish and hunting and duck hunting
and go on deer hunting, and there are people in the middle of the country
and in all packets of the country who think that that lifestyle, that
choice of activity is going to be threatened if we pass any gun laws
whatsoever. And the special interests play on the fears of these gun
owners. And this is one of the reasons why we can`t get anything done even
when 91 percent of the American people want to do something on it.

Let`s continue to work together. Let`s work on the gun owners. Well,
let`s work on society. Well, what do you mean society? I mean the
parents. There is this thing in America called parenting. We all make
mistakes and none of us are perfect. But if you paid attention to your kid
in the last 24 hours, who knows? Maybe they`d have their attention grabbed
by this. This is the latest Xbox 360 that only costs $250 million to
produce. Oh, it`s a dandy. It`s called Grand Theft Auto.

Let`s see it`s got stealing cars, shooting people, and beating up
hookers. If you`re a parent and you allow your son or daughter to watch
this, even if they`re beyond 18 years old, you`re a lousy parent in my
opinion. You play a role in this. We all play a role in this. Oh, wait a
minute, this is the first amendment. We`re so concerned about the second
amendment, this is the first amendment. This is freedom of speech. But,
you know what, I have a question tonight for our audience. When did the
first amendment and responsibility part ways? When did the road split on
the first amendment of the Constitution and the responsibility to
understand society and what`s right and wrong. If you think as a parent,
this is good for your kid, you`re wrong. It is not.

Oh, by the way, the guy that did the shooting yesterday, he was a big
fan of this kind of stuff. Does it matter? I don`t know. It can help.

Then there`s the -- let`s continue to work together. Then there`s the
mental health community. You mean to tell me that this guy heard voices?
He could have been possibly schizophrenic. He was paranoid, a paranoid
schizophrenic. And you mean to tell me that there was no information
chain, whatsoever that would bring us to the conclusion that maybe he
shouldn`t own a firearm. Can we move Congress on that? Well, we got
privacy issues, Ed. Really?

Let`s go over to the NSA and see how the phones are working. Don`t
give me that crap. We can do whatever we wanted to do in this country.
And I`m saying until somebody gets in the face of lawmakers and tells them
people who have got mental issues should not have access to firearms, we`re
going to have some more presidential speeches. We`re going to get even
better at grieving.

Well, let`s continue to work together here. Let`s see. We got the
parents covered. We got the gun owners covered. Now, let`s work on the
special interest groups who play on the fears of the gun owners.

Has anybody profoundly pointed it out that after Sandy Hook, it was
the super Bowl for the National Rifle Association and they won? We have
accomplished nothing when it comes to gun legislation on this country. And
until we get campaign finance reform fixed in this country, we can expect
to have all of this kind of stuff taking place. We can expect to have no
laws passed. But you see the special interest will absolutely stand the
living daylights out of these lawmakers who don`t have the intestinal
fortitude to take that vote because they`re afraid what kind of commercial
they`re going to home and see. It is the special interest that is
protecting these gun owners who might say in an interview, "Yeah, I think
we got to do something."

But deep down inside, they want to be protected because fear is what
has been thrown in front of them, time and time again. And then of course,
there is the emotional strain. Maybe we don`t hear from people who have
been through a family loss enough in our media. Maybe we don`t tell the
stories of the grieving parents and the long-term effects that it has on
families. Maybe we need to do a better job of that. But let`s all work
together. Let`s all make sure that we can get some changes when it comes
to firearm usage in this country. I wish I was confident, but tonight, I`m

Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, will any event ever change the way Congress views guns in
America? Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622. You can always go to our
blog at We`ll bring you the results later on this show.

For more, let me turn to Congressman Elijah Cummings of Maryland who
has suffered that personal loss in his life. Has lost do relative to gun
violence and has the scar on him, emotionally, I think forever.
Congressman, you and I have talked about this in the past. This is just
something just never leaves you and it will never leave the families that
went through that horrific event yesterday. Congressman, what can we do?

REP. ELIJAH CUMMINGS, (D) MARYLAND: Well, first of all, Ed that we
must have some kind of meaningful gun safety legislation and no doubt about
it. But, you -- in everything that you said, you`re right. The -- We have
a situation where the NRA is influencing quite a few legislators all over
the country, both state and federal, and probably local to some degree.
And I got to tell you, when you think about the two Colorado legislators
that were just recalled, that sent a -- I`m sure a chilling effect -- had a
chilling effect on a lot of folks. In other words, even if you had people
who were inclined to vote for like universal background checks which 90
percent of the people look out for are just reasonable, trafficking
legislation like the legislation that I proposed, well, we had bipartisan

If they were on the line, I think a lot of them are backing up now
saying, "Wait a minute, wait a minute, hold on. I don`t think I can do
that because I`m worrying about losing." But, we got to look at the
situation is being bigger than that. We`ve got to make sure that we have
reasonable gun laws to protect our people. And I think that it`s just
very, very sad what happened here in DC. My heart goes out to those
families. But, you know Ed, you and I and many others, we`ve got to
continue to speak out. We don`t have the right to be silent. And so, I`m
going to continue to do that and I know there are others who will do it too
and I`m sure the President will do his part also.


CUMMINGS: But again where the climate Ed, again I -- would that vote
in Colorado, I think it may have had even more impact in a lot of people
might imagine.

SCHULTZ: You see that, that is the issue. Until you get the special
interest out of this .


SCHULTZ: . we can expect to have the votes change and -- I mean if
you can`t get after Sandy Hook, when are you going to be able to get it?
The country`s been emotionally scarred. We all feel for it, but the
special interests are so entrenched in Washington and politicians are so
afraid to take that vote. How do we break that?

CUMMINGS: You know what, after Sandy Hook, I tell you I had a little
confidence that we would be able to get something through.


CUMMINGS: And when you`re talking about 20 kids shot at close range
within an assault weapon, I mean that`s kind of tough but even with that,
Ed we couldn`t do it so I just think that we`ve got to continue to push .

SCHULTZ: Are Congressional members afraid of the National Rifle
Association, Congressman?

CUMMINGS: Oh, I think a number them are, no doubt about it. I keep
in mind because a lot of them are afraid that -- for two things, one that
they will then get an opponent who is to the right of them and two, that
that opponent will then be finding at in large spot by the National Rifle

SCHULTZ: And until we get that kind of money and have campaign
finance reform, I think campaign finance reform is the absolute key to
getting the will of the people and majority of the -- majority of Americans
want something done on this issue.

CUMMINGS: I agree. And Ed we cannot continue to let situations like
what happened yesterday be our normal. You see people kind of getting used
to it and we can never get used to that because I can tell you the pain
that I feel -- my nephew being killed two years ago, shot down. I still
feel it everyday. I feel the emotion right now as I`m talking to you and
so hopefully, I know that there are a lot of people that I`ve gone to the
similar things that I`ve gone through and hopefully that passion will drive
some of the -- these legislators to do the right thing.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Elijah Cummings, thanks for being with us
tonight. I appreciate it so much. Thank you.

CUMMINGS: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, politics in the middle of the country, The Harkin
Steak Fry stirred up voters in Iowa over the weekend. We were there,
Senator Harkin joins me on the polls to the middle class and our Rapid
Response Panel on which Democrat has the edge of 2016 and Pretenders coming
up. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Time now with the Trenders, the Ed Show social media nation.
This is where you connect, thanks for doing it. Well, you`ve decided and
now we`re reporting. Here are today`s Top Trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To tell the truth.

SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, Johnny on the spot.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would you believe if there were President Romney
that members of your party would have the same resistance to going into
their showing right now.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I think there`s probably some personal
honesty that just because they dislike President Obama.

SCHULTZ: Where have we heard that before?

The Republicans, they don`t hate war. They hate this guy. Barrack
Hussein Obama. They have fought this President, obstructed this President,
their whole focus is to make him a failure. The party of war is now the
party of dumbs. Only because they despise President Obama.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The number two Trender. Frank conversation.

BARNEY FRANK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I do want to add one thing though to
your questions about those poor delinquent bankers. If they really are
running businesses that are so stressed that they can`t do their basic
work, why are they paying themselves so much money?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Barney Frank takes on the banks while Simpson and
Bowles slam the shutdown talk.

ALAN SIMPSON: We`re just stunned at the stubbornness of both sides.

ERKSINE BOWLES: Why in the world would somebody put the full faith
and credit of US Government in jeopardy?

SIMPSON: This a sense of madness

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Most everyone is mad here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And today`s Top Trender. Meat and greet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh hey, we got the good stuff here.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Middle class voters speak out at the Harkin Steak

MAX TIPTON, NEWTON, IOWA: We need good paying jobs in this country.

HELEN DICKSON (ph) LEMONT, IOWA: Project (ph) credibility is really
important to my family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The most important issue of the economy.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Looking forward now we have all the options open
for women so they can get the right kind of care that they need rather than
have someone dictate what they need for us.

TIPTON: Someone needs to do something to restore the manufacturing in
this country. Service entries jobs are important and I don`t think this
country can survive on those type of wages.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`d like to see them start something like the WPA
again. Most of the social programs were created then. Most of the
infrastructure of this country was created then, and it could be done


SCHULTZ: Let`s bring in Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa who has hosted
that Steak Fry and for getting him in the years, but it has been a whole
lot of meat over the years I can tell you that.

And a lot of conversation with folks in the middle of the country, and
our team was there Senator Harkin and it`s interesting all of the things
that you have talked about and advocated for and things that we try to
highlight on this program about jobs, infrastructure, and, you know, paying
America back for what its wanted for a long time. It`s really what all of
those folks talk about, and if you could give us a pulse of the middle of
the country as -- and a lot -- some of these folks, Senator, said that, you
know, "Washington`s not listening to them." What`s you`re response to

SEN. TOM HARKIN, (D) IOWA: My response is they`re absolutely right.
We`re not listening, and we`re talking about a whole lot of other things,
or we`re not doing anything, and yet the middle class is being eroded.

I heard that time and time again this weekend that people know that
the jobs aren`t there for their kids. And the middle class families in
Iowa, the last generation, the World War II generation raised their
children, send them to schools, got them an education, and yet their kids
are not going to have a stable life as they have -- as the parent`s had.

And so there`s a sense that we`re losing the middle class in America.
It`s being eroded, and by the way Vice President Biden gave a great speech
and focused on just that topic about the loss of the middle class in
America. I hear that more than I hear just about anything else said.

SCHULTZ: Was that the case four years ago as the -- of the American
people? Have they caught up with this issue you think?

HARKIN: Oh, have they ever caught up with it. And second only to
just -- the generalization of the middle class of course, you know, we have
a lot of elderly people in Iowa. And I`m hearing more and more about the
fear that they have of their retirement, that they won`t have any
retirement money.

Ed, when I first came to Congress, one out of every two Americans had
a pension, something that would last them until the day they died.


HARKIN: Today, it`s only one out of every five.


HARKIN: And it`s getting worse all the time. So a lot of people are
really concern about, you know, and we`re living longer. So when they get
to be in their 80s and perhaps 90s, they`re not going to have any money.
And I`m telling you, people are really worried about that.

SCHULTZ: Senator, tell us about Joe Biden. Can Hillary Clinton sell
herself the same way that Joe Biden did? I mean where would Iowans stand
on this?

HARKIN: Well, I think there`s a lot of support on both sides. I will
tell you this. Joe Biden is beloved by Iowans, they love Joe Biden. And
that he`s been to everyone over 99 counties more than once, and it was
something to see him call out people by name. And I mean they`re just --
there`s a lot of fondness for Joe Biden in Iowa. But again, there`s a lot
of support for Hillary Clinton too. So I don`t know how that`s all going
to work out, but I can tell you, they`re both very popular on my state.

SCHULTZ: Does the Republican Party have anything to offer these
voters in your opinion?

HARKIN: Well, you know, Ed, you`re talking about what am I hearing
from people. I hear about the loss of the middle class. I told you I`m
hearing about retirement fears, but I got to tell you, I go into grocery
stores, I go into high (inaudible) people come up and they say, "Can`t the
Republicans at least sit down and talk with you and negotiate with you?
What can you do about the Republicans in the House that just block
everything?" And I told them, "I`m just as frustrated as they are."


HARKIN: You know, Ed, I`ve been hearing you, you know, I`m retiring
next year. I`ve been here for 40 years, 39 years now.

SCHULTZ: Has the art of a deal left Washington, Tom?

HARKIN: Not on our side. I mean, I`m always willing to negotiate, I
understand the art of compromise, but when you have someone who`s
implacable .


HARKIN: . you said it`s this way or the highway, how do you deal with
that, Ed? I mean it`s -- the Tea Party people in the House are tearing
this place apart because they refuse to negotiate in good faith.

SCHULTZ: Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa great to have you with us

HARKIN: Good to be with you Ed. Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Great Steak Fry again, congratulations.

HARKIN: Yeah, thanks.

SCHULTZ: Still to come, it`s been two years since occupy protesters
made their voices heard down on Wall Street. We`ll look at the group`s
continuing influence, did they have any? And Joe Biden fueled more than
speculation about a 2016 run this weekend. I`ll ask the Rapid Response
Panel if Democrats should prepare for a big primary fight. But next, I`m
taking your questions, Ask Ed Live, that`s next right here on MSNBC


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We love hearing from our
viewers. Love the questions tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment. Our first
question comes from Steven. And what would a de Blasio victory in New York
City this November mean for the progressive movement nationwide?

Well, I think all of the things that Mr. de Blasio has been talking
about and advocating for are really a microcosm of the -- of a greater
discussion that`s taken place all over America. It would signal that
people are ready for change and people are making a decision for the
progressive movement when it comes to income inequality when it comes to
tax fairness, when it comes to fair share, when it comes to health care,
when it comes to housing, and when it comes to public education, Mr. de
Blasio is a true progressive. And I think it would be a real statement.

Our next question is from David A. Johnson (ph). He wants to know
what would you recommend we all do to help dramatically improve voter
participation in the upcoming elections. Well, you know, that has to come
from the belly. That has to come from the heart and the soul. You have to
want to do this. The issues have to mean enough to you to motivate you to
do it. But for guidance, I would listen to the unions. The unions are
educated, they are organized, and they don`t give up. And that`s exactly
what it`s going to take if we`re going to have real change in this country.

Stick around. Rapid Response Panel is next.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you back with us. Thanks for watching.

This week in the Ed Show traveled to the 36th Annual Harkin Steak Fry,
The Warren County Fairgrounds in Indianola, Iowa. Every year hundreds of
Democrats gather at the Senator Tom Harkin`s fundraiser to eat steak, rub
elbows with some of the party`s top politicians. The event has become
really a litmus test for the party and Democrats considering a presidential
run want an invitation to speak at Harkin Steak Fry, no doubt.

This year`s feature speakers, well, they were Vice President Joe Biden
and San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro. Biden`s appearance, attendance fired
up speculation about a possible Presidential bid in 2016. So the Ed Show
decided to do a straw poll of its own. We asked folks, who do you want to
see as the Democratic Presidential nominee from the middle of the country
in 2016?


LAUREN FREEMAN, CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA: I`m a big supporter of Hillary

TIPTON: I realized I like Joe Biden. I supported him in 1988 when he
run before the first time. Hillary is -- would be an excellent candidate
so I`m a little mixed my feelings at the moment.

BLASKOVICH: I`m leaning towards Hillary Clinton and I have always
been a supporter of Joe Biden, but I`m leaning towards Hillary Clinton this

JEREMY EVERET, WAVERLY, IOWA: You know Hillary Clinton did pretty
well in 2008 and like she run again. I`d support her all the way.

JUNE MCGOWAN, ROCKWELL CITY, IOWA: I guess I would have to say, don`t
listen Joe. I guess I`d have to say if I had to choose between the two,


TED DEHL, MONONA, IOWA: I would go to Biden. Joe`s very capable but
-- and Hillary was -- this time for a lady (ph).

DOUG MELL, THORTON, IOWA: At this time I would support Hillary
Clinton until I know of anymore viable candidates to be considered.

RANDY BLACH, MASON CITY, IOWA: I hope its Hillary Clinton. I just
think she brings ingenuity. I think that it`s time to see a woman in

DILLON THINKER, IOWA: It`s Joe Biden right now. I could see myself
voting for him.

DICKSON (ph): Hillary Clinton. I love Hillary so if she runs I`ll be
there working at a campaign, putting in all the arts that I can.


SCHULTZ: All demographics represented. Joining me now in our Rapid
Response Panel, The Grio`s Zerlina Maxwell, Bob Shrum of The Daily Beast
and NYU and also The Nation`s Katrina Vanden Heuvel.

Well, it`s going to shape up pretty soon. Let`s say that they both
jumped in, Katrina what does Iowa mean to both of these candidates?

lot it`s symbolic, but I love listening to the citizens of Iowa but I have
to say Ed, I`m more interested -- this Democratic Party heading into 2016
is going to have a fierce debate on its hand because the party`s united on
cultural issues, on social issues but it`s where the party stands on a
smart economic populous message. What it`s going to do about the system
that`s rigged against the middle class or against working families? What
it`s going to do to tackle Wall Street and champion economic fairness?

The candidate who really hasn`t announced yet but who speaks to that
very clearly has done well in progressive polling, wasn`t there and it`s
inflated but it`s Elizabeth Warren, another woman who`s name should be in
the ring and Hillary Clinton, you know, there`s passion around her but I
tell you, there`s a lot of passion around Elizabeth Warren and the message
she embodies.

Zerlina, will there be a lot of competition in the Democratic field?

ZERLINA MAXWELL, THE GRIO: I mean, you know, I just get defense
watching Joe Biden that he just likes hanging out with people, all right.
He`s a people person who really enjoys being the Vice President. I don`t
think that he would jump in if that meant there will be a fracture in the
party and I really do think that if Hillary Clinton speaks to some of the
issues that you`re talking about, she`ll do really well because just like
Barack Obama could elevate the conversation about race. She has an
opportunity to elevate the conversation not only about income inequality
but also gender politics as well.

SCHULTZ: Bob you got an hour to talk about this.

BOB SHRUM, THE DAILY BEAST: Look, I don`t want to be too overt, but I
think Hillary Clinton if she runs going to be the Democratic nominee for
President. I think she has brought support among women and she has brought
support among former Obama supporters and she has brought support among a
lot of the people who care about the issues Katrina was talking about. The
only way she can be defeated is if she defeats herself. That`s what
happened in 2008.

SCHULTZ: That`s solid.

SHRUM: In a year of change, in a year of change she ran as the
candidate of caution and experience. I don`t think she`ll make that
mistake again, and I don`t think there`s another Barrack Obama waiting in
the waits (ph).

SCHULTZ: Was Joe Biden in Iowa because he`s long time friends with
Tom Harkin, or was he there for something else?

SHRUM: Well, you said earlier, maybe he did it as a favor to Harkin.
I think he did as a favor to himself. I think he wants to run for
president. And if she doesn`t run, I think he will run for sure. And, you
know, there`s this argument about both of them that they`re too old .


SHRUM: . time for a generational shift in the party. I think when
folks watch what`s happened to Barrack Obama, Democrats they`re going to
want someone who`s a tough and tested fighter. And I think that helps her
and I think it helps Joe Biden.

VANDEN HEUVEL: But there is, I mean the Democratic Party is divided.
Tom Harkin stands for what he spoke of a few months ago which is a need for
a populist insurgency inside the Democratic Party.

The Clinton Democratic Party was a different one. We saw Larry
Summers defeated by popular mobilization and other factors this past week,
and he stood for more Democratic Party which was more of a holding to Wall

SCHULTZ: He didn`t have the Senate votes. It wasn`t Obama -- I mean
the President saw what was coming down.

VANDEN HEUVEL: Saw that and whereas we`re talking in a city in which
Bill de Blasio who has become more of a national name has spoken to a
message about the need to tackle inequality and to speak for economic
fairness at a time when there are millions living in poverty in the city.
And that prefigures, I think, a fight that maybe Hillary Clinton will take

SHRUM: See I don`t .

VANDEN HEUVEL: You don`t -- you will disagree?

SHRUM: The one thing I -- no, the one thing I did do disagree with
you about is I don`t assume that Hillary Clinton 2016 will be the same as
Hillary Clinton 2008 or Hillary Clinton or Bill Clinton 1992 and 1996. I
think she`s smart. I think she -- has the right values. I think she
understands .

SCHULTZ: So she would go after Wall Street regulation?

SHRUM: I don`t know.

SCHULTZ: I mean that`s a big deal.

SHRUM: No. Listen, it`s the vocabulary that you used .

VANDEN HEUVEL: Right, economic fairness .

SHRUM: Yes, you can talk -- she can talk about economic fairness, she
can talk about inequality, she can talk about a middle class squeeze,
there`re a lot of ways to do it.

When you talk about de Blasio, and Katrina`s -- The Nation published
this, and was -- and then The Times did too astounding statistic that
explains his victory. 46 percent of the people in this city live at 150
percent at the poverty level .


SHRUM: . or below it.


VANDEN HEUVEL: Unsustainable.

SHRUM: I don`t know you raise families under those circumstances.

SCHULTZ: Zerlina, can Hillary Clinton match the progressive message
of Joe Biden? And if Elizabeth Warren jumps in or Howard Dean for that
matter, I mean those two candidates Warren and Dean would I think push
Clinton and Biden to be more progressive to speak to the very issues we`ve

MAXWELL: Well, the only think about Senator Elizabeth Warren is that
she was reluctant to run for Senate. So I don`t know if she would right
away want to jump into a presidential race. But I think that as long as
Hillary`s advisers are giving her the messaging around this percussive
issues, she`ll do really well because she has the experience to back that

SCHULTZ: Will the President play a factor in `16?

MAXWELL: I don`t .

SCHULTZ: I mean, here`s the President with ABC over the weekend .

MAXWELL: Yes, yes, yes.

SCHULTZ: . who with George Stephanopoulus. Let`s play this.


OBAMA: What I would say to folks out there is we are tremendously
lucky to have an incredible former Secretary of State who couldn`t serve me
better, and an incredible Vice President who couldn`t be serving me better.
And I suspect, if you ask both of them they`d say "Its way too premature to
start to start talking about 2016 .


OBAMA: . well, you know, I was a big steak muse (ph) and old friend
of Tom Harkins.


VANDEN HEUVEL: But, you know, very clever, but if Hillary Clinton was
speaking her mind right now. She might well be criticizing President
Obama`s very smart move to opt for diplomacy which 79 percent of Americans


VANDEN HEUVEL: . in the polls today said they support when they`re .

SHRUM: That`s right.

VANDEN HEUVEL: . you know, so I think that`s a measure of .

SCHULTZ: But we do know that Hillary Clinton is for Universal Health
Care which should really fire me up.

SHRUM: Yeah.


SCHULTZ: I`m ready for round two to health care.

SHRUM: Look, I want a Democratic President. I want Democratic
President who will appoint the next members to the Supreme Court .

SCHULTZ: And that`s important.

SHRUM: . I think this stuff is really critical .

SCHULTZ: All right.

SHRUM: . I do not think she is going to run a triangulating campaign
from the 1990s.

SCHULTZ: We got to run. Zerlina Maxwell, Bob Shrum, Katrina Vanden
Heuvel great to you with us.

Next in Pretenders, while Republicans push for a government shutdown,
RNC Chair Reince Priebus pushes a new conspiracy theory. You won`t believe
this? Then stay with us. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, RNC Chair Reince Priebus at the
low-rated and talk show host Hugh Hewitt. In the midst of Monday`s
horrific shooting at the DC Naval Yard, Reince took some time away from his
minority outreach efforts to buy into Hugh Hewitt`s conspiracy theory about
President Obama and the death ceiling.


another week off of the media`s attention on the domestic paralysis that
the President is orchestrating because I think he wants to shut down the
government. When, you know, we had three weeks of Syrian fiasco. Now
we`re going to have rightfully so a week of serious coverage of this
massacre, but I don`t think the country realize, we have a minute to the
break -- we`re on the brink of a shut down orchestrated by the President.

I think you`re exactly right. I think he wants this thing to happen, a
shut down of the government. I`m totally cynical on the thing. I think
that`s exactly what he wants.


SCHULTZ: Now, I realize, low information voters love these guys, but
you have to live underneath an absolute huge rock. If you believe
President Obama wants to shut down the government. If you don`t believe
me, take a look at America`s favorite Canadian-born Tea Party Republican
over on Fox News.


SEN TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: Continuing resolution that funds Congress
expires on September 30th. I publicly stated that as has Mike Lee, as has
Marco Rubio and a number of other senators that I will not vote for any
continuing resolution that funds even a single penny of ObamaCare.


SCHULTZ: If the RNC Chair Reince Priebus and the low-rated Hugh
Hewitt want to believe that Ted Cruz and President Obama have the same
agenda for America. They can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the
folks who take a shower after work, the folks that make this economy move.

Today marks the two-year anniversary of the Occupy Wall Street
Movement, the much maligned movement by the Conservatives. On this day in
2011, hundreds gathered in downtown New York City to protest the
devastating effects of corporate greed and income inequality in this

That night, they started camping in Zuccotti Park near the New York
Stock Exchange. Two months later, in the early hours of the morning,
Zuccotti Park was cleared out in a surge raid organized by Mayor Michael
Bloomberg and the NYPD.

Many questions whether could survive without a base or a clear
objective. The group has splintered. The group still has no clear leader.
But make no mistake, they changed the conversation in this country. The
movement`s core message has survived. Occupies rally cry, "We are the 99
percent," became much more than the unifying slogan for the folks camping
out of the park in New York City. The idea of the 99 percent versus the 1
percent, the ever expanding gap between the top earners in America`s middle
class shaped the narrative of the 2012 Election.

President Obama portrayed himself as a champion of the middle class.
Mitt Romney sided with the 1 percent, called out the imaginary 47 percent,
and lost the election. Occupied with the problem of income inequality into
words we still use to this day, and today Occupy events are schedule to
take place across the globe.

Here in New York Occupy`s labor outreach committee plans to take
action for fast food workers at McDonald`s and call for transaction tax
which would put Wall Street profits into essential social services like
health care and student debt.

Joining me now is Occupy Wall Street Protester Jessie LaGreca.
Congratulations, it`s still alive. You feel it?

We`re doing a lot of work and, you know, a big reason that`s there is
because the sentiments there. It`s pretty obvious, as we build out Wall
Street only really one guy out of a hundred is doing good. And he`s doing
very good. But he wants to remind you how lazy you are like, "Hey, RNI
you`re so awesome, you bailed me out and the government useless for
everything," and that message doesn`t get anywhere except for the people
who stare at Fox News all day.

SCHULTZ: What do you say to the people that bring forth the idea that
you`re disorganized, that you`re no longer relevant.

LAGRECA: I would imagine going back to like the founding fathers.
Like, "Oh, look at these rebels. They don`t want to have to do what their
told." I`m looking it from those perspectives of. We`d be better
organized if we had a bunch of billionaires financing us, if we were
totally a supporter (ph). Democracy is noisy, it doesn`t make sense and
it`s not supposed to.

SCHULTZ: What has happened in the last two years and since the break
up, after that raid came down, a lot of people were frustrated I think.
What has happened? What impact did it had?

LAGRECA: Oh, I mean look at hurricane Sandy for instance, you know,
when Occupy first came in, we started providing, you know, services for
people, there`s hungry people. We didn`t protest a few hungry people which
there`s something that need to be done. Sandy is a good example because
you and (ph) Occupy Sandy where a lot of Occupy Wall Street people went
down and did the best they could for a community reeling under a disaster.

I didn`t see the Tea Party people there, do went they serve the
country. I didn`t see the free market just magically revive the economy
because we just gave them all the tax cuts they demanded. The reason we
have to tax people because you can`t trust the billionaires who do what we
need for this country or charity.

SCHULTZ: What is the -- I think the biggest thing Occupy did was
change the narrative of the country and focus the narrative of the country
on what`s important. I think you made a tremendous mark but you gave
verbiage to the Obama team. You believe that?

LAGRECA: I do, but I -- sometimes I worry that Obama wants to talk
about like Occupy Wall Street with Governor and like Larry Summers. And I
think that Democrats recognize the fact that they are the party of the
working class, and the more they do to fight for the working class, the
better they do politically. Where`s the Republicans? I mean, come on, 47
percent, that ruined your election. Good luck running with that message in
two years.

SCHULTZ: So not much a change over there on that side, you think?

LAGRECA: Oh, if anything, it gotten more hostile towards working
class people.

SCHULTZ: They have.

LAGRECA: I mean the sneering .

SCHULTZ: Bill de Blasio, I got a question earlier in this program
about Bill de Blasio I mean I think that he is brought at home here in New
York which is a microcosm with the rest of the country for the progressive
movement. How big is this mayoral race for him to win this thing? What
would you make of it?

LAGRECA: I think it`s huge, I think .

SCHULTZ: After Bloomberg for 12 years.

LAGRECA: Absolutely, I think being the mayor of New York City gets
him a nationwide platform to really speak truth to the promise that faces
us today. The reason this message worked is because it`s true because
we`re all going broken, we`re watching Wall Street showered under record
profits while they`re telling us we need to sacrifice more. I don`t want
to throw my body into the volcano to prove my rants (ph) -- gut was right.

SCHULTZ: What are you going to do with the fast-food workers?

LAGRECA: Help out as much I can. I used to be a chef. I`m working
right now at $9 an hour. I cannot afford to raise a family on that much.
We need to raise them in wage, we need to fight for collective bargaining
rights. If you`re going to take away my ability to earn a better living
and my food stamps then you can`t look surprise when we`re all outraged and
marching in the streets.

SCHULTZ: And do you think the fast food workers of course, we`ve seen
protest in other country -- other cities around the country, not just New
York, will this have an impact?

LAGRECA: It absolutely must have an impact. In my opinion we should
double the minimum wage, but at the very least of $10 an hour minimum wage.
I think we should do everything we can to fight for working class

SCHULTZ: Jesse LaGreca, good luck to you.

LAGRECA: Absolutely. Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us. All right.

And that is the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with
Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Rev, good to have you.


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