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The Ed Show for Friday, October 11th, 2013

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October 11, 2013
Guest: James Clyburn, Ken Klukowski, John Fugelsang, Keith Ellison,
Gregory Meeks


SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: I will make a request if I never seen
again. Please send a search and rescue team.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Better to be thought an idiot than to open your
mouth and remove all that.

CRUZ: They did not like ObamaCare in a box with a fox and a house
with a mouse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this the new (ph) normal?

simply reopening the government.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: The Democrats are in a real position of
strength here. They just have to realize it.

CRUZ: The greatest trick the left has ever played is to convince
conservatives we cannot win.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: By this point I`d hope someone would (inaudible)
so that I could sip some water.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching
the Republican Party by the numbers. They are in deep trouble. The
results of the latest NBC News Wall Street Journal Poll shows Americans
overwhelmingly blame republicans for the government shutdown.

Now, you maybe wondering tonight, OK what`s in a (ph) number? There
isn`t a politician on the face of the earth that doesn`t love to look a
trend or feel good about a number or take something positive out of a poll
and build on it.

There`s a lot to build on here for the republicans, because this is
total rejection of their agenda. The American people basically are saying,
they reject John Boehner, they reject his agenda, his methods, his
messaging, his strategy. They reject the fact that the Republican Party is
obstructing operation government.

The poll also reveals that Americans reject the French ideology of the
modern day Republican Party. This tells it all. Boehner is famous for
saying he knows where the American people are and what they want.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R) OHIO: The American people want us to build the
keystone pipeline. The American people want us to cut spending.

This law is driving up (ph) the cost of healthcare and it making it
harder for small business to hire people. This is not what the American
want. The American people want this bill. They want it repealed. The
American people want us to get our fiscal house in order.

What the American people want is for us to work together to remove
government barriers that are getting the way of job creation. The American
people want us to stop all the looming tax hikes and to cut spending.

Our job is to listen to the American people and follow the will of the
American people.


SCHULTZ: Listen to the American people. Now, when you see that
collection of (inaudible) you wonder, how can a guy like that be such an
expert on all of these different subjects about where the American people
are, but when it comes to the government functioning and actually running
normal, well, he misses that one?

The new poll shows that 53 percent of Americans blame Republicans for
the shutdown. Only 31 percent blame President Obama, those are Tea Party
numbers you got to expect that. But it is a big whopping 22 point margin,
how can they deny it? Only 27 percent think republicans are showing strong
leadership on the shutdown, that`s a staggering.

Here is a staggering number. 70 percent think republicans are putting
politics first. The American people know exactly what`s going on here and
Boehner knows too. It`s very clear. Whatever strategy Boehner has
followed it has totally failed. It`s time for him to get off the dime.

Just 24 percent of the people on this country have a favorable opinion
on the Republican Party, and 21 percent have a favorable opinion of the Tea
Party. These are below Bush numbers, remember those years? These numbers
underscore the fact that tea partiers are a select French group and the
American people don`t want any part of this.

Now, American voters prefer a democratic controlled congress by the
numbers 8 percentage point, 47 percent to 39 percent. Only 17 percent of
Americans have a positive view of John Boehner. I`d say that it`s probably
pretty good day for Boehner to go have a real good cry. That gable looks
like it`s coming out of his hands pretty soon. Meanwhile, this poll is
great for democrats, but it`s also great for the country, because Americans
are speaking (ph) to a dysfunctional congress.

Democrats and congress, their approval rating dropped by only three 3
points during the shutdown and they`re seating now at 39 percent, and
President Obama`s approval rating actually increased 2 points. He`s
sitting at 47 percent and considering the overall number of congress, the
president is in a very strong position.

But here the kickoff, I have been saying on this program for months.
As soon as ObamaCare is implemented people get on board. They`re going to
start checking this thing out. They`re going to start getting more
information. They`re going to start signing up for the exchange
(inaudible) it turns out I was absolutely right.

But you had to see it coming if you`re a liberal. You had to see it
coming. If you really listen to the people, health care is the issue.
I`ve been all over this country to at least a dozen health care clinics,
free (ph) health care clinics and I`ve heard stories of Americans.

The pulse of the people has changed. Thirty-eight percent of the
American thinks ObamaCare is a good idea that is up seven percent from last
month alone. Let me tell you something. There are (ph) politician in
Washington that wouldn`t take that kind of turn around, that kind of
increase, those kinds of numbers, 50 percent opposed defunding the law.

Now as the Americans continue to sign up for ObamaCare, those numbers,
you don`t think (inaudible) they`re all going (ph) to get better.

Meanwhile, Canadian Senator Ted Kennedy -- Ted Cruz of Texas isn`t
paying. And, you know, I had to stop here. That`s (inaudible) slip. I
have thought so much about Ted Kennedy in the last few days, because this
is all about a big negotiation (inaudible) united team have been talking
about "Well, what would Ted Kennedy say?" Ted Kennedy would be the Liberal
Lion right now. So I`ve been thinking about Kennedy a lot, not Ted Cruz.

But anyway, the American people are paying attention to ObamaCare and
the American people know that this is good. This guy, Ted Cruz, he
appeared at the Values Voters Summit today, and continued slamming


CRUZ: We`ve seen an explosion of federal government power, none more
important or significant or dangerous than ObamaCare. The country is
engaged in a national debate about the enormous harms ObamaCare is causing
all of the million of the Americans were losing their jobs, being pushed in
the part-time work losing their health insurance.


SCHULTZ: I wish Ted Kennedy was still here on stage to straighten
that guy out. We should point out that only 14 percent of American has a
positive opinion of Senator Cruz. Although Cruz sees the world
differently, he is attacking the NBC NEWS, Wall Street Journal polls. Take
a look at this.


CRUZ: If you seek out liberal Obama supporters and ask them their
views, they`re going to tell you they`re liberal Obama supporters. That`s
not reflective of where this country.


SCHULTZ: You know this poll number should erase all doubts about
where republicans think the American people are. This is a total rejection
of everything republican stand for. It is also rejection of John Boehner
and his methods, people want their government open. They want people back
to work. That what`s this is about.

They should force Boehner`s hand to reopen the government without any
strings attached. And this should really strengthen the position of the
Democrats. So last night on this program, I said the democrats were (ph)
in very strong position. One hour later, this poll came out. This poll
was released at 6:30 Eastern Time. It is a total rejection of the
Republicans. It puts the democrats and especially the president in
strength of position. What is there to negotiate? What is there to

You know, there`s a thing in business called confiscatory rates.
Sometimes you control the market so good, you strangle the competition, you
could charge whatever you want. Right now the president is in position to
demand anything he wants from the republicans, because republicans are in
the severe minority.

Mr. President, don`t give any ground to them. What Boehner needs to
do is go back and show some character like he really does listen to the
American people. And go back to the House floor and bringing the
continuing resolution up for a clean vote, no strings attached, open up the
government, and then let`s get back to work when it comes to addressing
whatever they want to do in the conversation that they claim that the
democrats haven`t (ph) been having.

This is a big moment for the democrats in the progressive movement in
this country. If the democrats back off any of this and show any signs of
weakness and give ground to a party that doesn`t deserve it, give ground to
a collection of clowns that have done nothing but play with people`s lives,
they deserved to go down. And the president needs to stand strong.

Get your cellphones out, I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, do republicans have any idea what the American people really
want? Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can always go our blog
at We`ll bring the results later on in the show.

And you know what? If Ted Kennedy was still here, I think he`d be
saying exactly what I`m saying. I think he`d be saying hold the line.
This is the way we have to run this country. We won the election. For
more let`s bring in Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina.
Congressman, great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

REP. JAMES CLYBURN, (D) SOUTH CAROLINA: Thanks you much for having
me, Ed.

SCHULTZ: What do you make of this more recent 24 hours? You have
Boehner come out and throwing out a lame proposal actually about keeping
the debt ceiling go open for another six weeks to allow some negotiations
but doing nothing about what the American people to concern about and that
is opening back up the government. I mean it`s clear that the Americans
blame republicans for the shutdown. Where are we at this hour in your

CLYBURN: Well, I don`t know exactly know. I do know this. They are
talking and that`s good. But I do believe as you do that we are to give
relief to the American people over this weekend. We`re going to be here in
the morning and I would hope that we will go to the floor at 9 o`clock in
the morning and then we would put the continuing resolution on the floor,
let`s reopen government and let`s pass that resolution so that people can
have a reluctant weekend, a holiday on Monday, and maybe (ph) they go to
work on Tuesday.

We ought to not keep people in limbo during this long weekend and the
desire (ph) to this billing in these households is just absolutely
unfortunate. We are to pass this continued resolution. And I don`t care
if it`s six weeks. I don`t care if it is at the current 986 level that
Republicans want, and we`ll take that six weeks to work out the budget.

So my advice to Mr. Boehner, bring your CR to the floor, make a six-
week CR, let us stay at your own 986 level and attached that CR a debate or
a conference on the budget.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, you know, 47 percent of American say they want
a democratically controlled congress. Now, I know that`s not really what
this all about right now. I mean, that is a number but that, you know,
that`s going to play out a year from now.

This is -- I think the democrats are in now business right now. I
mean, you`re in the now (ph) and something has to be done now. And if the
democrats give any ground to these zealots, and that`s exactly what they
are, anybody that wants to keep the government shutdown, anybody that wants
to not pay the bills to the American people is clearly a zealot.

If the democrats give ground what is that do? You`re thoughts on
that. I mean, aren`t you in a -- aren`t all in a real severe position of
strength right now?

CLYBURN: Sure. No question about that. But I don`t think it`s a
question of giving ground. It`s a year and three weeks from the next
election. Now, if we were only three weeks from the next election, I would
have one suggestion. But I do believe that since we`ve got a year in three
weeks the American people cannot wait on the next election for us to do
something about this.

Now, I just said, I think the democrats gave all the ground that we
should give when we accept the .

SCHULTZ: Exactly.

CLYBURN: . 986 number. That`s all we have (ph) to be given. What we
already doing now is passing a continued resolution and go to a conference
on the budget. The senate has the budget. And I think that budget number
is 1058. The House passed the budget at 986. Let`s go to conference on
that budget. Let`s let our conferees and the Senate conferees, negotiate
something between 986 and 1058. Let`s get rid of this sequester.


CLYBURN: I think that both of us also (ph) want to do that, and let`s
get the American people back to work. Get this anxiety out of the
households and then we got until next Thursday to deal with the debt

SCHULTZ: Well, they`re losing all (inaudible). President Obama is
going up and favorability. ObamaCare is getting more popular with the
American people. The republicans have never had numbers like this. Do you
think this latest survey is going to move them at all, or do you think
they`re stuck in their ideology and they`re all about taking out in the

CLYBURN: Well, there`s a certain portion that they will never move.
About 42 to 50 people on the other side won`t move. But I can tell you, I
talked to enough republicans today, interacted with them. I can tell you,
a majority of the republicans in the Republican Conference want to move off
with the dime on this issue. But the Speaker has to bring the issue to the
floor. We`ve got .


CLYBURN: . enough votes outside to join with 40 or 50 of his people.
If he can`t give them more than that, I think he will get much more than
that to get this thing move. So I don`t believe this is an issue that the
speaker ought to be sweating over.

What the speaking ought to be doing I think is making sure that the
American people are responded to over 70 percent of the American people do
not want us to be put in politics in front of a country and 87 percent and
72 percent. So that`s what republicans are doing.

So get rid of the politics. Forget about the Tea Party Republicans.
Let`s bring this issue to the floor. Let`s bring some .


CLYBURN: . real happiness to family all across this country.

SCHULTZ: Congressman James Clyburn, great to have you with us on the
Ed Show Tonight. I appreciate your time so much. One thing John Boehner
could do is demonstrates some character. That`s what it`s going to take.

What Boehner ought to do is step up to the American people and say, we
have miscalculated. We have miscalculated where the American people are,
it`s very clear they want their government open, our strategy didn`t work.
We thought it was the right thing to do. That`s always going to do. But
you see that would take character, and he would actually have to care about
the middle class to do that and I just don`t think he`s got it in it.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the
screen. Share your thoughts on Tweeter at Ed Show and on Facebook, we love
it when you do that. Coming up, Fox and Friends, Ice Queen, Elisabeth
Hasselbeck, makes a cold hearted claim. Plus a loud mouth Tea Partiers
(inaudible) out, but can`t the heat on its mouth (ph). Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Time out for the Trenders, the Ed Show social media nation
has decided and we are reporting. Here are today`s top Trenders voted on
by you.


SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, chili reception.

ELISABETH HASSELBECK: The defaults (ph) really need to be

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have air conditioning (ph)?


HASSELBECK: Exposing the ugly side of entitlement.

SCHULTZ: Fox and Friends crew discuss welfare (inaudible).

HASSELBECK: This welfare creating more victims and it`s actually

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Government should just create jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Create jobs. Yes. Create more jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we`re in 35 states though, the minimum wage
there is less than you can make being on welfare.

JOHN STOSSEL, STOSSEL HOST: It used to be a (inaudible) to take a
handout (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Once upon a time there was some shame to it.

STOSSEL: Now, you start to feel like you`re a sucker if you don`t.

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, Mean team.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re a mean one, Mr. Grinch

OBAMA: Republicans in congress shows to shutdown the federal
government. This Republican shutdown did not have to happen.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Men, that`s just mean. That`s mean men.

SCHULTZ: Tea Partiers think Obama`s being a bully.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He is unfortunately most dangerous person that
this country has ever seen.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You are mean girl.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender: getting truck. 3,000 truckers
planned to slow down the D.C. Beltway. The right wing is now is trying to
encourage these truckers, the very people that they`ve done nothing for. A
big rig protests gets a big push from the right.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A story here that I would really like to get

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`ll be right back to be part in the old convoy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The big rig protest by hundreds perhaps
thousands of truckers .

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is going to go coast to coast .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What we hope to accomplish, Megan, is to get the
attention of our unrepresenting representatives in Washington, D.C.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We want the president of the United States
removed from office.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But this is an Egypt (ph) moment for the entire
country to say, "We have had enough."

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I love that shirt.



SCHULTZ: I don`t think these people have a clue what they want.
Joining me now is Congressman Keith Ellison of Minnesota. Congressman,
good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: I find it so ironic that these truckers are coming in to the
Beltway in Washington, D.C. Now, are these the ones that want to see the
bridges fixed across America and some infrastructure spending (ph)? Are
these the truckers that light going over very nice roads with federal
dollars? I mean, the very people that the Republicans have done nothing
for are going to Washington to disrupt. I want your take on all of this.

ELLISON: My take on it is that, you know, there`s a lot of folks out
there who don`t know who their friends are, they don`t know who`s hurting
them, they don`t know who`s helping them. It just gets angry on some
really superficial stuff for something they heard on the radio and they go
to sometimes extreme measures. But, you know, what they`re trying to do
didn`t work so that`s a good thing. But, you know, it`s part of the
struggle, Ed, you know, part of the struggle is helping people to
understand that you need to be on your own side, you need to help yourself

Now, they don`t like -- now, these folks like as you said federal
highway spending. They like roads that are smooth that don`t wreck the
axles of their trucks. They like being able to take care of their business
based on American infrastructure and not having to worry about a bridge
caving in and yet, it is the republicans who don`t want to invest in
anything in the area of infrastructure. It`s our struggle to try to get
American working people all on their own side, not on the democrat side, on
their own side.

SCHULTZ: Yes. The head of the protest says that she wants to remove
the president from office. Is he really the person that they`re targeting
here? I mean, is this really just an anti-Obama truck rally?

ELLISON: Well, you know, there might be some things about Obama that
Obama can`t change that they don`t like. But at the end of the day, I
think there`s a lot of anger, frustration among working people and some of
them, not all, don`t know what to do with the frustration and they pointed
in the wrong direction. You know, at the end of the day, we got to do a
lot more education. We got a lot to do a lot more engagement.

And, you know, I`m thinking about reaching out to people who
represent, you know, over road truckers to say, "Look guys, you know, you
know the deal. Let`s talk about what we can really do to help your people
out. Let`s start out with making sure we open up the government and that
the highway folks and the folks who run the Department of Transportation
are on the job to make sure that`s there`s health, safety, and other sort
of things being looked after. I can tell you this. You know, we got a lot
more organizing to do.

SCHULTZ: Well, there`s 3.5 million truckers in this country. And I
think they wanted to get 3,000 there, OK? I find it very interesting that
this was a flop. I guess this is something Glenn Beck said he was behind
but it just didn`t seem to work out very good. It`s interesting because
all these guys listen to is when they`re driving this right wing radio all
across America, you think this would have been a big success but .


SCHULTZ: . truck. That`s right. The truckers, they wanted o cause
the biggest traffic jam but they also are calling on Americans not to buy
anything over the weekend, to stand in solidarity with them. I mean, if
you look at the recent poll numbers, this is going to be a flop. They`re
going to embarrass themselves.

ELLISON: Well, Ed, you know, that`s fine. Let them do that. I mean,
the fact is that the republican message is being rejected by the American
people. I mean democrats aren`t doing this to them. They`re doing this to
themselves. And if these particular -- these tiny slice of right wing
truckers who listen to Rush Limbaugh all day, if they, you know, want to go
out there and embarrass themselves, they can do that.

Well, what I`d rather do is enter (ph) to a conversation with
(inaudible), "Look, man. Let`s figure how to make sure your life is
better. Let`s make sure we figure out how you can get some health care,
how you can get a decent pay, how you can have safe working conditions, a
good road to drive on, instead of this thing but you hate Obama so much."
It`s just really crazy.

I mean, here`s the deal. You know, look, most of Americans have to
deal with putting food on the table everyday. Trying to figure out how to
hate Obama doesn`t do them any good. They need to come to the table. I`d
be happy to talk to talk to them.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Keith Ellison, good to have you on brother.
Thank you. I appreciate your time tonight.

ELLISON: Anytime, Ed. You know it.

SCHULTZ: Still to come, Kenny goes (inaudible). Cuccinelli tries to
woo women voters with the help of Elisabeth Hasselbeck. This will be
interesting. Plus a new installment of the golden rule breakers featuring
Michele, Marco, and Ted.


There are two things I have on the body of (ph) faith and one is a
benevolent God who loves each and everyone of us.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You rebel, one thing I can`t stand is people

CRUZ: Thank you and God bless you.


SCHULTZ: But next I`m taking your questions. Ask Ed Live is just
ahead. Stay with us. We`ll right back in the Ed Show on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We love hearing from our
viewers in this segment. Tonight in Ask Ed Live, our first question comes
from Mike Ruiz. Can you define the Tea Party for me? Who are they?

Well, tax enough (ph) already is their banner, that`s what`s on the
front door. They believe that the American wealthy pays weigh too much in
taxes. That`s where it all started. They are well seeded in hate and
jealousy. They are all about holding power and doing anything to get it.
They will say anything and do anything despite the consequences to get
power, such in case the shutdown. They don`t care, they`ll disrupt and
it`s all to get a political position. These people started out in the
Republican Party and now they have infected. I believe our political
system, they don`t compromise, they don`t believe in compromise, they see
it their way or the high way, and they lie an awful lot.

Our next question is from Julie. Why is it that republicans seemed to
lack the empathy towards their fellow man? I don`t know, it`s one of the
strange things in America. Their selfishness has absolutely no boundaries.
Some of them want less government, a lot of want no government, and a lot
of them want no responsibility, and I think the Republican Party in the
last 10 years has changed to great deal. They become very callus, very
self-centered, and very determine to make sure they get their way. It`s
not the Bob Dole grand old party. Those guys are all gone. Stick around.
Rapid Response Panel is next stay with us.

SUE HERERA, CNBC ANCHOR: I`m Sue Herera with your CNBC Market Wrap.
Optimism on Wall Street over the Washington budget talks and the Dow jump
to 111 points, the S&P added 10, and the NASDAQ was up 31.

Consumer sentiment fell in October to its lowest level in nine months.
And oil also taking hit down 1 percent to close at $102 a barrel. JP
Morgan Chase posted $380 million in lost in the third quarter. That came
after massive legal expenses cut into its earnings of 5.8 billion dollars.
And that`s it from CNBC First in Business Worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show The same Republicans who
shutdown the government to strip healthcare away from millions of
Americans, who put hundreds of thousands out of work, who want to cut
billions from food stamps took the stage at the 2013 Values Voter Summit
today in Washington D.C. But these folks practically broke their arms
patting themselves on the back for being good Christians.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Kneeling down by their creator not their
governments but their creator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our inalienable rights come from a creator. They
come from God with a big G, not government with the little G.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My mama wonder preacher seek (ph) out of

CRUZ: Each of you was called to be here. Much like Esther, you were
called for a time such as this.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I too, I`m a values voter. I too believe that
what makes us different which sets us apart is our beliefs. The way I see
it our job is to preserve our values in the 21st century. We need to apply
our principles to the challenges of today. That means we can never give up
on repealing and replacing ObamaCare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today I want to talk about a war that the
mainstream media is ignoring. From Boston to Zanzibar there`s a worldwide
war on Christianity.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our society is breaking down and our families are
falling apart and as a result our country is paying a terrible, terrible

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This egregious system that will be ultimately
known as debt care must be defeated. I thank God that we finally have the
will to stand up, take on this oppressive president, and stand for what is
good and righteous, and true.


SCHULTZ: So, moral values, politics, and faith, and religion all
mixed in to one. You know, we`re all sinners, we all make mistakes, sin is
sin, but as a Christian I think it is my obligation as broadcasters will to
expose their hypocrisy and call them out on being flat out wrong. Jesus
spent his life helping the poor, sick, and needy. He spends his life
embracing the lowest wrongs of society and teaching compassion and

The religious right spent the summer bearing false witness against
ObamaCare. They have forsaken the golden rule and turn their backs on the
needy, the poor, and the sick. They have gone after food stamps, they do
not have a healthcare plan on the table when it comes to preexisting
conditions or helping the less fortunate out in American. They do not have
a plan on the table that will not give the power to the insurance companies
over Christians. You could view the insurance industry as a big government
that says no to people who need help.

So, Voter Value Summit or whatever they call it, joining me now for
our Rapid Response Panel, Liberal Commentator and Comedian John Fugelsang,
and also with us tonight Ken Klukowski from the Family Research Council.
Great to have both of you with us.
Ken, I want to ask you first, what is the mission of this summit? Is
it to find candidates? Is it to redefine, you know, what your values or
what your beliefs are? What is the mission of this summit?

me. What the Value Voter Summit is about or VPS is about providing a forum
where the American people can have a discussion about the issues that are
important to us. About faith and family, about values, and about how that
impacts every area of policy not just social policy, but also National
Security Policy and economic policy, and to bring our nation`s leaders
forward to have a discussion, to present on that, to debate it, and to hear
the voice of the people.

SCHULTZ: OK. John your response to that in the realm that they --
all of the people that you just saw on that montage of tape and speakers,
they all want to get rid of the Affordable Care Act which helps the poor,
which helps the downtrodden, which takes away conditions of sick people in
this country that they can`t get dropped. That to me seems to be a
contradiction of what they`re saying and what they`re believing.

lot more important to boast about how much you worship Jesus is a God, than
follow his inconveniently liberal teachings. I have no problem with
America being a Christian nation, but if we were a Christian nation, we
will be loading to help the poor and the sick, and let private charities
bail out Wall Street. This isn`t a summit, this is an audition for
president for 2016, its Tea Party idol and you`re going to Iowa dawg (ph),
this guy are so in the bubble, they could be Glenda the good witch.

SCHULTZ: Ken, is that true?

KLUKOWSKI: Oh, absolutely not. I think what we`re looking Ed is the
discussion about for example, if you want to help the poor, the question
is, how do you create a free market economy so that people can have jobs
provide for their families, have their own home and be self sufficient,
instead of depending on government.

FUGELSANG: Yeah, the capital gains (inaudible), that`s how you help
the poor, right?

KLUKOWSKI: Well, absolutely, because if you cut capital gains, you`re
able to invest .

FUGELSANG: Ken, do you hear what you`re saying? All of these guys at
your summit are arguing that Jesus want us to help the poor by cutting any
programs that could possibly help the poor. This is (inaudible).

KLUKOWSKI: Absolutely not. See, you`re coming from the premise that
you think a government solution is the best solution, we`re saying if you
get more .


KLUKOWSKI: . private sector, you can generate jobs which will better
take care of people then government ever can.

FUGELSANG: Hey Ken, I hate to tell you but look around, 30 years of
what you`ve been talking, it hasn`t work yet, OK? The private sector is
missing in action when it comes to helping the poor.

KEN: Well, 40 years of the -- 40 years of the great society in the
poverty level is the same as it was 40 years ago.


FUGELSANG: . bring some jobs back here.


KLUKOWSKI: Go ahead Ed. I`m sorry.

SCHULTZ: Ken, let me ask you. I know I enjoyed the discussion. And
it`s fine, you guys are going out (ph). Here`s the bottom line. We have a
system in this country before the Affordable Care Act. They gave all the
power to corporations to decide what was going to happen to consumers. And
the republicans, the people that spoke at this values conference have
nothing to address that. And now that the law is passed, they want to take
it away and give the power back to the insurance industry. I mean, is that
a value that conservatives embrace?

KLUKOWSKI: Oh, Ed, I think everyone who`s spoken today and I would be
added to that. We`re big supporters of health care finance for forum. We
just don`t think ObamaCare takes us in the right direction with the right
kind of reforms to be able to provide better health -- quality health care
to more Americans.

FUGELSANG: Well, I agree with that. We should have singled pair like
all of our capitalist allies enjoy but now we call .


KLUKOWSKI: . and they have every right. Well, it is -- well,
literally, that is socialism. It`s a government run system that provides
an entitlement to every member of society.

FUGELSANG: Ken, name one of our capitalist allies. One of our
capitalist allies that`s tried to give up single pair to adopt the system
like we have now. As about .

KLUKOWSKI: Every single .

FULGELSANG: Don`t you think it`s creepy .

KLUKOWSKI: Every single .

FUGELSANG: . that insurance company can get reach of disease?

KLUKOWSKI: No, your question is contradicting itself, every single
payer (ph) system is by definition made socialist system. It is a
government run, publicly financed.

SCHULTZ: What`s wrong with that?

KLUKOWSKI: . national (ph) entitlement. No, I`m saying, that`s not
capitalist, that`s socialist.


SCHULTZ: What`s wrong with having socialistic health care system?
What`s wrong with having socialistic health care system? Its helps more

KLUKOWSKI: That`s a great debate for us to have but we have to start
by saying, that`s not a capitalist system, that is the (inaudible) .

FUGELSANG: No. I didn`t say it was .


SCHULTZ: . it has to be a capitalist system.

KLUKOWSKI: I believe that private market reform such as insurance
polls for small businesses being able to purchase across state lines
(inaudible) reform for medical malpractice.


KLUKOWSKI: Reforming them (inaudible) who allowed doctors to exercise
their own.

SCHULTZ: All right, before we go.

FUGELSANG: And you`re on your own you`re on poor people.

KLUKOWSKI: Those are the things that are doing (inaudible) .

SCHULTZ: Before we go, I want to ask this question. Let me ask this,
if Jesus were on earth today, would he be a fan of republicans taking
America hostage in the order to get their way to the governmental process,
as so many people are hurt? Ken.

KLUKOWSKI: I don`t think Jesus belongs to a political party. I think
we see the teachings of Jesus in the bible which I accept as the word of
God and I reject the premise that people standing on the principles for
which they are elected, somehow means they are holding someone hostage. I
think that kind of over the top redirect (ph) .


KLUKOWSKI: . which the president is using is not helping us reach a

SCHULTZ: All right. John, your response to that.

FUGELSANG: Yeah, Jesus wasn`t a homo, being gay is natural, hating
gay is a lifestyle choice. And if Jesus showed up -- Ken, I know you are a
nice guy, but if Jesus showed up at the family Values Voter Summit, you
know exactly what would happen. He`d be a brown skin homeless liberal who
spoke no English, and those guys would ship him off the (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: All right. John Fugelsang and Ken Klukowski. It`s good to
have you with us tonight.

FUGELSANG: It`s only (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: I appreciate the discussion. Thank you gentlemen.

Still to come, the new developments in the shutdown as the debt
ceiling deadlines loam (ph). Keep it here. We`ll be right back on the Ed


SCHULTZ: We have some breaking news tonight. NBC News is reporting
that the two-year old son of Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson
has died. The two-year old boy died from injuries sustained during an
aggravated assault on Wednesday. Police arrested Joseph Robert Patterson,
the boyfriend of the mother`s child who was initially charged with
aggravated assault and aggravated assault on an infant. Sioux Falls South
Dakota police said additional charges are being considered.

Adrian Peterson, one of the most celebrated athletes in our country
running back for the Minnesota Vikings was the NFL`s Most Valuable Player
last year. His two-year old son is dead tonight. And Joseph Robert
Patterson, 27 years old, has been arrested. The Lincoln County States
Attorneys Office will be reviewing police reports for consideration of
additional charges. Joseph Robert Patterson has made his first court
appearance and is being held on $750,000 cash ban. We`ll have more on the
Ed Show when we come back


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Progressives let`s get back to
work. We got to pay attention, stay vocal. So, let`s take a look at the
top three stories ahead next week in Fast Forward.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Coming in at number three. Middle Ground.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Fundamental to our democracy (inaudible) is the
middle class, middle class the backbone of our democracy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re going to rebuild the middle class in

SCHULTZ: On Tuesday, a new NBC news poll will give a louder voice to
middle class values.

OBAMA: We can`t just balance our budget on the backs of middle class

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Get out of here, what are you waiting for?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Pull that key. Are you (inaudible)? Let me out
here, will you? Come on, I got to (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: Fast Forward to number two. Special election.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My opponent, they`re going to make everything
wrong with Washington works (ph).

SCHULTZ: On Wednesday, voters in New Jersey will choose the next
United States Senator.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What New Jersey needs is a leader not a tweeter.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s a lovely accent you have.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And our number one story to watch, get denial.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never before in our history has the Federal
Government failed to honor its financial obligations. To fail to do so now
would be an outrage. The congress must understand this and their full

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All we ask is the speaker to be reasonable (ph).
Open (ph) the government, raise the debt ceiling and we`ll talk about
anything you want to talk about.

BOEHNER: The long and short of (ph) it is, there is going to be a
negotiation here. We can`t raise the debt ceiling without doing something
about what`s driving us to borrow more money and to live beyond our means.

SCHULTZ: Treasury Secretary Jack Lew, says the debt limit will be

REP. JOE BARTON, (R) TEXAS: We are not going to default from the
public debt, but that doesn`t mean that we have to pay every bill the day
it comes in (inaudible) .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think Jack Lew is lying when he says that
he can`t prioritize?

BARTON: I`m not going to say anybody is lying. I`m saying he`s
playing politics when he says that.


SCHULTZ: And a number of democrats obviously want this brought to the
floor. One of them is Congressman Gregory Meeks joins us tonight on the Ed
Show. Congressman, good to have you with us.

You know, there`s a lot of talk about -- you bet. There`s a lot to
talk about the middle class for what the Republicans failed to point out is
that the Affordable Healthcare Act is all about helping the middle class.
And so, it`s been one domino after another that`s been knocked down. So,
where are we right now? Is a short-term spending bill to reopen the
government going to be enough?

REP. GREGORY MEEKS, (D) NEW YORK: But, you know, what Ed, we got to
get there, because I`m not even sure that we`re there right now. Because
of what I`m hearing is they maybe adding something on. The first thing
that we got to get to is a clean bill that represent to the continuing
resolution and a clean bill that represent (ph) the raise in the debt
ceiling, without that we`re nowhere and there`s nothing to negotiate there,
Ed, because what we just simply asking for is to put the American people
back to work.

And this is not a (inaudible). This is about a democratic issue or
republican issue. Of those 800,000, many are democrats but guess what,
many of the republicans, they are middle class. We got to put him back to
work and that`s what we need, you know. And so, the republican got to come
to that reality.

SCHULTZ: Well, this most recent survey that NBC News and the Wall
Street Journal did puts, I think the democrats in a very strong position.
Do your colleagues recognize that? Does that help you draw a stronger
line? I mean, it`s a very clear voice, 70 percent of the American people
think the republicans are putting themselves in their political agenda
ahead of the people.

MEEKS: I think that the line is very clear, that you see if you win
the (inaudible) putting their personal issues in front of the country`s
issues and that`s why those numbers are so great. And I think that it is
time, Ed, for those so called moderates in the Republican Party to stand up
and let their voices to be heard, because .

SCHULTZ: So what`s going to move Speaker Boehner? What`s going to
move Speaker Boehner?

MEEKS: The people would have to move Speaker Boehner, because the
people need to come out into those areas of those so called moderate
republicans and say, "Look, your job is on the line, you better go talk to
that speaker and the same manner that the Tea Parties are talking to the

Why are they allowing the Tea Party to role that party? I don`t know.
But I`ll tell you the American people are not going to put up with it. And
surely the president is not going to get into it. And democrats are not
going to give into it. They have to have a clean resolution on the floor,
clean bill with a continuing resolution and a clean bill to raise the debt
ceiling and then we can move forward. And that has to happen, Ed. And
they`re running out of time.

SCHULTZ: They are running out of time. Do you think we`ll default --
I mean, I believe we will. I believe the republicans are not stupid and
that determined to hang it on to President Obama. What do you think?

MEEKS: If you had to asked me three months ago or four months ago, I
would have said absolutely no. Right now, I say it`s a 50-50 chance,
because you`re right about one thing, Ed. Number one, they do not like
anything that President Obama does, they want to do the opposite.

You know, in fact, you know, you point it out previously, if you say
Affordable Care Act, they are for it. But if you say ObamaCare, they`d say
they`re against it. That`s what I`m going to point out because ObamaCare,
the Affordable Care Act is for the middle class.

SCHULTZ: All right. Going to be an eventful weekend in terms that I
don`t think anything is going to happen again, but we`re all on watch.
Congressman Gregory Meeks, great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate
your time. Thank you. That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz. Politics
Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening, Rev.


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