PoliticsNation, Wednesday, November 27th, 2013

November 27, 2013
Guest: Jim McDermott; Joel Berg, Karen Finney, Wes Moore, Roger Ross

AL SHARPTON, MSNBC HOST: Happy Thanksgiving to you Ed and thanks to
you for tuning in.

Tonight`s lead, a reality check for the Right-Wing Turkeys. On this
day, this day before Thanksgiving, President Obama gave America a clear
choice between those want to help the less fortunate and those who want to
make their lives worse.

We began the day with the annual tradition, the pardon of the White
House Turkeys. This year, the lucky ones were popcorn and caramel.


OBAMA: The competition was stiff but we can officially declare that
Popcorn is the winner.

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: But he began the day with the annual
tradition, the pardon of the White House turkeys. This year, the lucky
ones were popcorn and caramel.


but we can officially declare that popcorn is the winner proving -- there
you go. Proving that even a turkey with a funny name can find a place in

And now, before these turkeys get away, with the power vested in me, I want
to grant popcorn a full reprieve. Come on. I want, popcorn, you have a
full pre-prepare from cranberry sauce and stuffing. We wish you well, and
we`re going to give caramel a break as well. All right? So --


SHARPTON: The president also struck a serious note reflecting on the
significance of thanksgiving.


OBAMA: This is the season, not only to be thankful for the incredible
blessings that we have but also remember meatiest and generously serve
those who are not as fortunate. We give thanks for our friends and our
family, for citizens who show compassion for those in need and for
neighbors who help strangers they`ve never met.


SHARPTON: The first family later distributed meals at a food bank in D.C.,
highlighting the problem of hunger in America. But if Republicans get
their way, that problem will only get worse.

A new White House report slams the GOP plan to cut $40 billion from the
food stamp program. Four million Americans would lose support next year,
210,000 kids could lose free school meals. They aren`t takers. These
aren`t free riders. They`re children. And those GOP cuts would be on top
of the cuts already taking effect this month. That, that has made it very
tough for many in this thanksgiving period for millions of Americans.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Like the Salvation Army`s mobile food pantry
is seeing more and more people in need. Except this resource might not
have enough to go around.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We ran out of food.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now instead of making baked macaroni like I normally
would and the sweet potato casserole, I can`t, I can`t do it this year.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: We were at day in food bank this morning
which doesn`t have a single turkey here in the freezer.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know, there`s always a growing need in our

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We needed a turkey, so we came out. Things are kind
of hard right now. So we`re happy to be able to receive one.


SHARPTON: She`s right. Things are hard right now. But Republicans don`t
seem to care. We added up the cost of the thanksgiving recipes that
Speaker Boehner posted on his Web site.

Cream spinach with bacon about $7, Boehner`s stuffing about $4, and the
turkey, about $27 for a 15 pounder. The total cost for Boehner`s
thanksgiving, around 38 bucks. It sounds like a great meal, and I hope the
speaker enjoys it.

But millions of Americans might not be able to afford it. On average, a
family of four on food stamps saw their benefits reduced this month by $36,
roughly the same price as the speaker`s recipe.

Now the American people can pardon a lot of things. They pardon turkeys.
They can pardon a mistake, but they will not and should not pardon
politicians who tell the poorest among us that they don`t deserve our help.

Joining me now are Congressman Jim McDermott, Democrat from Washington, and
Joel Berg, executive director of the New York City coalition against

Thank you both for being here.

is good to be here.


SHARPTON: Congressman, what do your Republican colleagues say to you when
you tell them how much their policies are really hurting real people, real
poor people?

MCDERMOTT: Well, they really don`t believe it, Rev. They`re not listening
to the Pope. You and the Pope are on the same wavelength. The income
inequality is going by most of these people. But what they ought to done
is be required to go to a food bank at a church somewhere in their
neighborhood and stand there and talk to the people.

You would find out these are not people who are not trying. They`re not
people who are taking from the public. They`re not people who want to be
there. They`re people who are ashamed in many instances to be doing
something they never thought they`d be brought to. And they`re having

And we`re the richest nation in the world. And, well, when gee sauce had
those five loaves and two fishes he didn`t charge food stamps. He didn`t
ask anybody how much money they had. He fed them because they were hungry.

SHARPTON: He didn`t call them names.

You know, Joel, a recent government report shows 49 million Americans don`t
have reliable access to food. That means one in seven families struggle to
get enough to eat. Put this in perspective for us.

BERG: Well, Reverend Al, the other day I met a woman putting herself
through college with two kids. She just lost $45 a month in benefits.
These are not statistics. These are not lazy people who don`t want to work
as mischaracterized by the right and their horrible racial undertones to
that. Two-thirds of the people on the snap program are children, senior
citizens, people with disabilities and working people. They are struggling
people and these benefits are needed until they get back on their feet.

SHARPTON: Two-thirds fall in the category you named.

BERG: Two-thirds. And the stereotypes of the right just are not true.
Not, reverend Al, you have been so forceful in talking about the fake
attack on voter fraud. It is the same as the fake attack on food stamps
fraud. It`s extraordinarily, extraordinarily rare.

Secretary of agriculture, Vilsack, and his great team in the Obama
administration, the USDA, have done a remarkable job of increasing access
to these programs while holding fraud down to its lowest level in modern
history. It is about 1.3 percent. Over the last decade, two percent of
the members of the House of Representatives have pled guilty to crimes.
So, they really should be looking a little closer to home and not at
struggling families.

SHARPTON: Congressman, "Mother Jones" reports that Speaker Boehner had
shot down several proposed compromises on the farm bill because the food
stamp cuts weren`t deep enough. Speaker Boehner`s office is denying the
report even though he`s confirmed by Democratic aides.

How did cutting food stamps become one of the GOP`s top priorities,

MCDERMOTT: They don`t want a safety net, Al. They don`t want anybody to
get anything when they need it. But, you think about it. The food stamp
program, the lower ranks in the military, the first and second and third
rank, if they have a family of four, are almost always eligible for food
stamps. That`s how low we go in this country, even people who fight for
our country, we will deny their children food stamps. And the Republicans
who do that simply, I guess, have never known anybody who didn`t, wasn`t
born with a silver spoon in their mouth, because anybody who`s been out
there and been going, you go to the cupboard and there`s nothing there and
you have to say to your children, we don`t have anything to eat or we`ve
got one slice of bread, we can split it. Or we have one pork chop and all
five of us can have a piece, that kind of thing exists in this country, and
it`s wrong.

SHARPTON: You know, Joe, talking about it is born with a silver spoon in
your mouth, we`re having kids now born with no spoon in their mouth. And I
mean, this is what`s frightening. But you know, the Pope, the Pope now,
not a politician, the Pope has directly attacked the right wing theory of a
trickle down economic theory, the theory of that, saying, quote, "some
people continue to defend trickledown theories. This opinion which has
never been confirmed by facts expresses a crude and naive trust in the
goodness of those wielding economic power. Meanwhile, the excluded are
still waiting."

This is what the Pope said, Joel. Now Rush Limbaugh, the head of the
Republican Party, responded today to the Pope. This is what Rush had to


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: The Pope here has now gone beyond
Catholicism her and this is pure political. Pope Francis went further than
previous comments, criticizing the global economic system, attacking the
idolatry of money. This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of
the Pope.


SHARPTON: Now, I know that he was the godfather of conservatism. I didn`t
know he was the interpreter of theology or what beyond Catholicism.

BERG: Well, I must say, if Rush Limbaugh has a problem with his Pope, he
probably have a real problem with Jesus Christ, reverend. As you know, he
spent his whole life talking about the need to fight hunger and fight
inequality. It`s in the Old Testament. It is in the New Testament. And
whether you`re a believer of his teachings or you just believe in math, you
have to understand that trickledown does not work. And that`s why we are
so excited that the White House has forcefully come up against any further
snap cuts. That is so important.

SHARPTON: Well, I`m tempted to quote Jesus telling the rich men to give
all he has to the poor, but I won`t do it tonight. I`m not going to do

SHARPTON: Congressman Jim McDermott.

MCDERMOTT: Save it for Christmas.

SHARPTON: I`ll save it for my Christmas show.

Joel Berg, thank you both for joining us tonight. Have a great

BERG: Thank you.

MCDERMOTT: Good to see you.

SHARPTON: Ahead, everybody`s in the holiday spirit. We`ll get to the
bottom of a new attempt to smear the president and Trayvon Martin.

Plus, the political turkeys of the year. Which right-winger is taking home
the blueberry pie?

Also, did you know the president`s waging a war on thanksgiving? Me
neither. Tonight we`ll pour some cold gravy on top of this new GOP talking

All that plus Rev. Al`s turkey tips, advice on how to debunk your right
wing relative who`s been watching a little too much FOX News. Stay with


SHARPTON: The right wingers aren`t satisfied with their bogus war on
Christmas. Now they`re saying there`s a war on thanksgiving, and President
Obama is behind it. I`ll car of up that talking point next.


SHARPTON: Everybody`s probably a little worried about thanksgiving, will
you hit traffic, will you overcook the turkey? Will you be able to resist
that extra slice of pie. But here`s what the right wing`s worried about.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The president unveils a plan to allow Obamacare to
hijack your holidays.


SHARPTON: The president wants to hijack your holidays? Really? Here`s
where this latest conspiracy came from.

Organizers for Action, the spinoff group for President Obama`s campaign put
out an ad encouraging parents to talk to their adult children over the
holidays about getting insured. They also had a list of tips for your
talk, like be honest about your feelings and tell them you care about their

Other groups are focusing specifically on getting moms to talk about health
insurance. So to re-cap, when you say, tell your family you care about
your health, the right wing hears, Obama`s ruing thanksgiving.


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: They want to go out there and start a fight
over the Thanksgiving Day table, you are throwing turkeys and pumpkin pie.

LIMBAUGH: Obama-ecolites are propagandize to take over thanksgiving and
Christmas dinners.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m surprised they are not encouraging kids to report
their parents for opposing Obama. It is the government that make you
happy. It is the government that shower gifts upon you. Government is
mom, dad, Santa, God, all wrapped into one is creepy.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Moms are smarter than this. They`re not going to be
used as pawns by the government most likely.

HANNITY: We don`t want to indoctrinate people to doing something they
don`t want to do? That`s going to happen over thanksgiving?


SHARPTON: Now, we know the right wing is fighting a made-up war on
Christmas. I guess this year they`re just getting a head start.

Joining me are for governor, Ed Rendell, Democrat from Pennsylvania and
Jamal Simmons, whose new show, the Roof 100" starts tonight on SFIRE TV.

Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Governor Rendell, a new one. President Obama is allowing
Obamacare to hijack thanksgiving. I mean, what do you make of this?

RENDELL: It`s absolutely ludicrous. And it makes you wonder, don`t these
guys have anything else to do?

You know, all the, I read all the material that was sent out. And all
they`re saying is, if you`ve got a family member who`s uninsured. And that
can be a child. It can also be an uncle, it can be someone, talk to them
about the possibility of getting insured.

Well, that`s what families do. Families protect each other. Families look
out for each other. And there`s a lot of misconceptions out there about
this bill. And it`s important that people do talk to their friends and
their family, their neighbor, everyone.

So for example if you`ve been dropped from your health care recently, you
look at the, someone told you that plans on the web site are going to cost
you more money, well, you could also qualify for a subsidy. So those
things ought to be talked about.

And by the way, if it`s a young person and an uncle who`s uninsured, maybe
the uncle doesn`t know how to use the internet and that the young college
students can help the uncle get online.

That`s what families do, they help each other. To think that this is a
left wing conspiracy to hijack thanksgiving, it`s incredible. How small-
minded these people are.

SHARPTON: You know, Jamal, the right wing daily caller says President
Obama wants a seat at your thanksgiving table. And he is comparing it to
other regimes that use children for propaganda. The author of that article
is the same reporter who interrupted President Obama at a press conference
last year. Let`s listen back to that.


OBAMA: It is the right thing to do.


OBAMA: Excuse me, sir. It`s not time for questions sir. And the answer
to your question, sir, and the next time I prefer you allow me to finish my
statements before you ask that question. I didn`t ask for an argument.
I`m answering y our question. It is the right thing to do for the American
people and here`s why.


SHARPTON: You know, for the same guy, Jamal, who interrupted the president
of the United States at the White House compares talking to your family
about health insurance to soviet propaganda. I mean, how silly can this

SIMMONS: It is absolutely silly, Rev. Some of are old enough to remember
those campaigns, like give a hoot, don`t pollute, don`t b e a dirty bird,
and that was about getting the kids to get their parents to stop littering
or sneezing in your elbow to keep from passing along the flu. They started
that in schools to get kids and teach our parents how (INAUDIBLE).

This is a standard kind of way that we help families adopt good, healthy,
productive ways of behaving. It`s not some great soviet propaganda. And I
know you just did a segment on the Pope. And I`ve got to tell you, of all
the stories today that I read, the stories about the Pope are the ones that
are the most moving. So here, you have these people, the Republican are
closing themselves, quoting themselves in religion and you have a Pope who
say we have to look out for the least of these, but they don`t want
families to look out for the least of these in their family to make sure
people get health care who needed it.

SHARPTON: But you know, Governor, there`s no question, there`s been a lot
of problems with the law`s rollout. No doubt about it. Today, there was
another delay for small businesses to enroll online. But this law is
helping real people. Listen to some of their stories. Real people.
Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As soon as I finished the application, I had a great
sense of relief that in case anything happens, if I break a leg or have a
heart attack or need some kind of medical procedure, I wouldn`t lose my
life savings in my house.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) will be paying just a dollar a month for
coverage with high deductibles.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just applied and I got approved, and I`m really
happy now because my life is going to be a lot better.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Lawson who has a disability has been without
her medication for nearly two years.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Very relieved. I haven`t had health insurance in
over 20 years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. 20 years. Last month Susan Bet (ph) finally
signed up for a health insurance plan through the state help exchange.


SHARPTON: I mean governor, these are some of the people, some of the
hundreds of thousands of people who have enrolled in the health care,
98,000 people have enrolled in the state of Washington, 80,000 signed up in
California, more than 76,000 in New York, 48,000 in Kentucky. I mean, do
you think these people believe that President Obama`s ruining thanksgiving?

RENDELL: No. Not at all, Rev.

And the irony of this is, we all should be trying to make this work.
Republicans should be trying to get their constituents to sign on, because
these are lifesavers in many instances. And even people who had plans and
lost the plans and now are going to have to pay a little bit more.

Well, first of all, number one as I said, they could be getting subsidies.
But number two, it`s going to keep them out of bankruptcy court because the
plans are better. They protect against catastrophe. They offered
prescription drugs.

And the right wing just absolutely lies about this. Take the daily caller.
Wasn`t the daily caller one of the media outlets that said that the
Cleveland clinic was going to lay off 30,000 people?

SHARPTON: Yes, I think you`re right.

RENDELL: Because of bawl Obamacare? And the Cleveland clinic went to the
unusual extent of calling FOX, calling the Daily Caller, and saying that is
wrong. You are not telling the truth.

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to leave it there.

Thank you Governor Ed Rendell and Jamal Simmons. Thank you both for you
time tonight.

RENDELL: Happy Thanksgiving, Rev.

SIMMONS: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Good luck on your show, Jamal, and have a happy Thanksgiving to
both of you.

Happy thanksgiving.

RENDELL: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: Coming up a controversial tweet about President Obama and
Trayvon Martin, what it reveals about the GOP`s so-called rebranding

But first, the political turkeys of the year. Who will take home the
blueberry pie? The winner may surprise you. That`s next.


SHARPTON: And on thanksgiving, it`s time for the "Politics Nation"
political turkeys of the year. And no, I`m not talking about these turkeys
pardoned today. I`m talking about these. The staff has been crunching the
numbers all year long. And tonight, we reveal who gets the esteemed honor
of being a turkey.

And the number three turkey of the year goes to Congresswoman Michelle
Bachmann. In our last year of eligibility, she showed why she earned this


REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: Now get to this egregious system
that will ultimately be known as death care must be defeated.

It reminds me of a Shakespeare line, thou protests too much.

Let`s repeal this failure before it literally kills women, kills children,
kills senior citizens.


SHARPTON: So congratulations, Congresswoman, you gobbled your way to
number three. And there`s really no way to segue to this guy.

But here it is. The number two turkey of the year, the crack-smoking,
conservative mayor of Toronto. And it`s pretty clear why he`s taking home
this prize.

MAYOR ROB FORD, TORONTO: You`re not going to continue this meeting until I
move this budget. (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you smoke crack cocaine?

FORD: Exactly. Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Excuse me, guys.



SHARPTON: Welcome to this American tradition, Mayor Ford. You`re the
number two turkey of the year.

But the ultimate turkey in 2013 can really only go to one man -- none other
than Senator Ted Cruz, Senator Shutdown.


SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: I think President Obama is the most radical
president we`ve ever seen.

Do you like green eggs and ham? I do not like them, Sam I am. I do not
like green eggs and ham.

This is an administration that seems bound and determined to violate every
single one of our bill of rights. The moon might be as intimidating as
Obamacare. I didn`t want a shutdown. Throughout the whole thing I said we
shouldn`t have a shutdown.


SHARPTON: Ted Cruz, congrats. The turkey of the year, ladies and
gentlemen, please put your hands together for your 2013 politics nation
turkeys of the year, the blueberry pies are in the mail. Gobble, gobble.


SHARPTON: Big news today out of Washington. The GOP is talking about
re-branding again. What is this? Like the 95th time? A top Republican
strategist writes, "We must understand that the GOP needs fresh policy
thinking, not a just an update of our political tactics." So far so good.
But then he says, quote, "Let`s hold our 2016 convention in Detroit."
Detroit? The same Detroit that was destroyed by the Bush recession? Good
luck with that one.

But a funny thing happened on the way to re-branding. Yesterday, a
right wing filmmaker tweeted, I`m thankful this week when I remember that
America`s big enough and great enough to survive grown up Trayvon in the
White House. A grown-up Trayvon? What exactly is he trying to say? This
is just the latest example of the ugliness the Trayvon Martin shooting
brought out on the right. Remember how conservatives attacked the
president when he said Trayvon Martin could have been me?


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Obama is all about creating
chaos. And upsetting the order of things. He`s all about stirring the
pot. And, and generally, involving things that have to do with race.

BILL O`REILLY, FOX NEWS HOST: The sad truth is that from the
president on down, our leadership has no clue, no clue at all about how to
solve problems within the black community.

Race hustlers in the grievance industry have intimidated the so-called

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: Now the president says, Trayvon could
have been me 35 years ago. This is a particularly helpful comment. Is
that the president admitting that, I guess because what? He was part of a
choom gang and he smoked pot and he did a little blow?


SHARPTON: How`s that for class? This kind of rhetoric is why all the
GOP`s attempts to re-branding and minority outreach continue to fail.

Joining me now are Karen Finney and Wes Moore. Thank you both for
coming on the show tonight.



SHARPTON: Karen, let me start with you. Why is it always one step
forward, three steps back with the GOP tries to re-brand?

FINNEY: Because these re-branding efforts aren`t particularly
sincere. I mean, remember they think that their problem is to change the
words, not the policies.


FINNEY: And you know, you listen to the kind of comments that they
made about when President Obama came out and you know, I was really
speaking from the heart and like dropping some truth out there that they
should have been paying attention to. And instead, they do what they
always do, because they`re afraid of it and sort of made him into the bad
guy. So the point is, they don`t understand fundamentally they are
disconnected from reality, from the American people, from the way African-
Americans live our lives, Latinos live lives and women live their lives,
and so they think changing the words is going to be enough.

SHARPTON: You know what Wes, the right wing is consistently referred
to both the president and Trayvon with the same way, same word almost,

MOORE: Well, you know, and I think it goes back exactly to what Karen
was saying. Which you know, ironically, if you look at the definition of
re-branding, it really isn`t about taking the same product and just
figuring out a different way of talking about it. And I think, you know,
what we said earlier is absolutely right. Because the challenge that
they`re having is not necessarily that this is a problem selling it. The
problem is that people don`t want to buy what`s being sold. Regardless of
how you`re talking about it. Regardless of what type of packaging or
language that you`re going to wrap about it.

We`re not talking about issues that truly matter to the American
people, issues of, if you`re looking at immigration issues. If you`re
looking at education issues, if you`re not serious about those kinds of
issue, and you spend your time doing things like, you know, talking about
Trayvon Martin and the president, about a grown-up Trayvon Martin, then I
could care less how you talk about the issues, that`s not something the
American people are buying.

SHARPTON: You know, Karen, let me show you. They talk about the
president and Trayvon using the word thug. Let me show you this first.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Trayvon Martin would be alive today but for the
fact that he was wearing thug wear.

LIMBAUGH: He`s a street thug. He`s a community organizer, that`s
what you are, you are a street thug.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Trayvon Martin, that thug that deserves to be dead
and, I`m glad he`s dead.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: That`s a bad way to start off, looking like you`re,
you know, some political thug at the White House.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You dress like a thug, people are going to treat
you like a thug. That`s true. I stand by that.


SHARPTON: Now all these name-calling on Trayvon Martin, a 17 year old
kid, all these name-callings on the president. And as I mentioned in the
intro, the GOP strategist like Murphy says, as a rebranding technique,
Republicans should, quote, "hold our 2016 convention in Detroit."

FINNEY: Please, please, wouldn`t that be wonderful? They could
really see up front and in person the damage that their policies have done.
But of course, they would, you know, they`re going to blame everything and
anything on Barack Obama.

SHARPTON: But they could blame the autoworkers going back to work on
him, they could go on a little tour of the auto industry that was closed
down by the last administration they were in charge.

FINNEY: But, you know, here`s the thing, Rev. And you`ve talked
about this a lot. A lot of us talked about this. This is a constant,
consistent effort to undermine the legitimacy of Barack Obama and Barack
Obama`s presidency.


FINNEY: He`s a thug. He`s overreaching. He`s a constitutional
attorney and they constantly, you know, he doesn`t get the constitution. I
mean, the way they speak about him is designed to undermine him and
undermine his authority as president.

SHARPTON: Yes, and you know, and that`s a good point was, because the
accomplishments of this president and a child, a 17-year-old child you call
a thug, I`m sure the right-wingers calling George Zimmerman all kinds of
names given the incidents and all the stuff he keeps getting into. I don`t
think so. And I don`t think they should. I think you argue the issues.

FINNEY: Right.

SHARPTON: The name-calling and denigrating are for those who show
they don`t belong on the big stage of American politics.

MOORE: And the other ironic thing is and the really unfortunate thing
is that, you know, when you look at the president, this is a person who
does not have to be doing this. You know, there`s not a single thing that
the president of the United States, if you look at his background, his
credentials could not be doing. This is a man who chose to devote his life
to public service. This is a man who instead of going off and doing
anything that he could have done, he chose to be a community organizer.


MOORE: He chose to go, he chose to run for state office and then
eventually running for the highest office in the land. And the way we
address that, and the way respect that is by calling him a thug?

SHARPTON: But that`s the problem, Wes.


SHARPTON: He won. It`s all right if he ran, but he won.

FINNEY: But, you know what Rev, the point that you were making. I
mean, when Democrats took back control of the Congress in 2005/2006, right?
We were running on a platform of ideas, right. There were a series of
ideas. We had ideas that we could talk about. Policies we could talk
about. Part of the problem, their own people are admitting this. They are
bankrupt of new ideas. So, all they can do is try to dress it up with a
fresh coat of paint rather than saying, hey, we`ve got to go back and take
a look at the policies.

SHARPTON: I`ve got to leave it there. Karen Finney and Wes Moore.
Thank you both for being on the show tonight. Both of you have a great
thanksgiving. But watch Karen. She`ll be working this weekend. Watch in
"DISRUPT" with Karen Finney weekends at 4:00 p.m. right here on MSNBC. We
will be right back.


SHARPTON: America`s moving forward on marriage equality. Sixteen
states now have laws supporting same-sex marriage. And a clear majority of
Americans support it. But some right-wingers can`t accept that. And since
they`re losing the fight here at home, they started exporting intolerance
overseas. A new film shows how American missionaries have helped ignite an
extremist anti-gay movement in the African nation of Uganda that for a time
even tried to make homo sexuality punishable by death. Here`s part of a
trailer from "God Loves Uganda."


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Homosexuality does not benefit a society.



UNIDENTIFIED WOMAN: The law says no homosexuality in this nation.
It`s an abomination to God.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We forget that they`re preaching to people who --

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We do believe that God wants the righteous to rule.


SHARPTON: Joining me now is the director of "God Loves Uganda," Roger
Ross Williams. Thanks for joining me, Roger.

great to be here.

SHARPTON: Why are evangelicals here in the United States traveling
halfway around the world to spread an anti-gay message in Uganda?

WILLIAMS: Well, I mean, you said it earlier, it`s because they feel
they`ve lost the cultural war here. With state by state passes marriage
equality with the recent Supreme Court ruling. They feel they can win the
war in Africa because in Africa there`s a very vulnerable population.

SHARPTON: Let me show you this clip from the film. Let me go here
first. Here you`re having an anti-gay American pastor pushing his message
on the Ugandan TV show in your film. Look at this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It`s become like Sodom and Gomorrah and my message
to you, my message to Uganda is don`t let that happen here.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: In America, there`s a nobody, but in Africa, this
extremist guy becomes the spokesperson of American evangelicalism.


SHARPTON: So, is that one of the things you found in doing this film?
In America, these guys are nobodies, but they become big spokesmen wrapping
themselves in the cloak of religion, but it`s really homophobic and bigoted
kind of things with extreme consequences for a while in this nation of

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. That was Scott Lively who has actually being
sued here in America, in federal court for crimes against humanity for what
he`s done in Uganda. And the judge ruled that he has to stand trial.
Scott Lively, he is a very fringe figure in the evangelical movement. And
he gets to go to Uganda and address the parliament for five hours on the
evil threats of homosexuality.

SHARPTON: One thing that really struck me was another anti-gay pastor
from America preaching and praying for quote, "Wisdom for the Uganda
government." Watch this from your film.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Suddenly has become ground zero. God wants you to
make a statement and stand. (INAUDIBLE).


SHARPTON: I mean, does this wisdom include the harsh penalties of law
for being gay in Uganda that they`re advocating?

WILLIAMS: Absolutely. You know, that`s Lou Angle. And Lou Angle is
a pretty big figure in the fundamental evangelical movement here in
America. You can see him on YouTube praying with Michelle Bachmann to end
ObamaCare. He was Senator Sam Brownback`s roommate, the governor of
Kansas. So he`s been a figure in American politics. And he actually,
through Governor Rick Perry had a huge prayer rally called the response in


WILLIAMS: And he really feels, you know, that in Uganda they`re
making head way. Because Uganda sort of a perfect storm for American

SHARPTON: Now you are gay. And in Uganda, did you ever feel
threatened at all, yourself for being gay in Uganda?

WILLIAMS: Yes, actually, when I was filming in Uganda, I was outed.
Someone sent an e-mail to one of the American evangelicals I was following,
she wrote about me on her blog, and I was called to a meeting of all the
anti-gay pastors. They called themselves anti-gay activists. And these
pastors surrounded me and pulled out the e-mail and they said, we know
you`re gay. And it was a terrifying moment. Because I didn`t know what
was going to happen. But they googled me. And they found out that I won
an Oscar, and they said, you know, what? We`re going to try to cure you
instead of kill you. And they ended up praying over me, but it didn`t

SHARPTON: Roger Ross Williams, congratulations on this important film
and thanks for your time tonight.

WILLIAMS: Thank you. Thank you.

SHARPTON: God loves Uganda is now playing in theaters across the

What do you do when your conservative aunt or uncle at Thanksgiving
dinner sounds like someone on FOX? I got you. I got you covered. That`s


SHARPTON: Thanksgiving is a wonderful holiday, a chance for all of us
to be with family and friends and be thankful for all we have. But we know
what else it means. That aunt or uncle who watches FOX News all day is
coming to dinner. Yep, Uncle Peter`s probably in that traffic right now
headed to your house for a weekend filled with conspiracy theories and
right wing talking points. But don`t get upset. Don`t lose your cool,
because I`ve got you covered. Yes, folks, it`s time for Rev Al`s talking
tips. Here we go. Get ready. Nutty Uncle Pete will probably say this
about the president.


O`REILLY: Republicans have little choice but to hammer ObamaCare,
because it`s shaping up to be a disaster.

HANNITY: Although the president was the mastermind behind ObamaCare,
he certainly is not the only one who should be held accountable for the
national health care crisis.

LIMBAUGH: Well, there`s still a chance to repeal ObamaCare because it
is a disaster. It is an implosion. It`s a train wreck.


SHARPTON: Ah, yes, you know this one is coming. The ObamaCare is a
disaster line. But relax, take a breath and serve up some cold, hard
facts. Thanks to ObamaCare, more than half a million people will be
covered by next year. So already extended preventative care to 71 million
with private insurance. And more than seven million seniors already saving
nearly $9 billion on prescription drugs. And my favorite, even Speaker
Boehner signed up. Here`s another turkey tip. Because over the second
course, Uncle Pete might throw this one out about the president.


HANNITY: He wants to transform America into his socialist Utopia.

O`REILLY: Here comes socialism. That`s the subject of this evening`s
talking points memo.

LIMBAUGH: There is never the money to pay for socialism. There is
never the money to pay for Democrat programs.


SHARPTON: Socialist, well, he must be the worst socialist ever. But
stay calm, relax and dish out an extra helping of this -- there`s been 44
straight months of private sector job growth under President Obama. You
can see the remarkable turnaround from the Bush recession. The U.S. is on
pace for the best year of job creation since before the 2008 crash.
Businesses added nearly eight million jobs under President Obama. On Wall
Street, the Dow under President Obama is up over 90 percent. So just let
them sit back and digest those numbers. Turkey tip number three. When the
beverages kick in, they`ll throw this one at you.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: There was a democratic (INAUDIBLE) shut the
government down.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Twenty one to zero where it`s blame the
Republicans, blame the Republicans. Don`t even mention the Democrats.
That`s shocking.

HANNITY: In less than two hours, we will reach the one week
anniversary of the Obama/Reid shutdown.


SHARPTON: President Obama`s shutdown? Get ready to shut down your
uncle. Because he`s doing more at the end of the table that Speaker
Boehner`s Congress did all year. A Gallup poll shows Congressional
approval at nine percent. That`s a record low. Congress enacted just 44
laws this year. And, of course, Republicans` obsession over health care
was the whole reason that forced the shutdown. Let`s not forget the House
voted 48 times to repeal ObamaCare. So now you can drop the mic right into
that pumpkin pie. After the show we`ll have all of Rev Al`s turkey tips on
our website, politicsnation.msnbc.com. Go there, print them out. So, when
Uncle Pit sounds like right wing whacko dodo, you`ll have your tips. And
remember, after you read them, you can say nice try, but we got you. So
you`re telling me your mom has a mom cave?


SHARPTON: Happy Thanksgiving to everyone in Politics Nation. Here at
MSNBC, we`ve been asking our viewers all day to tweet in or Facebook us
about what they`re thankful for with hashtag why I`m thankful. When I
think about what I`m thankful for, of course my companions, my friends, my
family and loved ones. But what I think of in my public and my activist
life, my work with civil rights, my daily radio show and all of you who
watch me every night on Politics Nation. I`m also thankful for the gun
documentary that we did just last Friday, "50 Years of Guns."

I`m thankful for Advancing the Dream, where we went to the Apollo
Theater and showed 50 years after the march on Washington, what has become
of many that went through those doors. But I guess the highlight would be
for me when over 200,000 people joined Martin Luther King, III, and
National Action Network and I for the continuation march on August 24th 50
years after the say the dream still lives. I have a lot to be thankful for
including you.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. Have a great Thanksgiving.
"HARDBALL" starts right now.


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