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The Ed Show for Wednesday, January 29th, 2014

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January 29, 2014

Guesst: James Clyburn, Connie Schultz, EJ Dionne, Eugene Robinson, Brian

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.



Give America a raise.

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: I thought that was a little odd coming from
a president.

like Congress to work with them to pass a national minimum wage.

OBAMA: It`s easy to remember. 10.10.

JON STEWART, THE DAILY SHOW HOST: And now, he`s just starting to tick
things off his f*** it list.

RYAN: The debate is one our side of the aisle.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: God forbid. The country`s doing better jobs are up .

at the jobs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t even understand what you`re talking about.


healthcare choices should be yours not the government.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good government programs.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well government is too important just to give it away.

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: A lot of Americans would like the government to
butt out.

OBAMA: I know that the American people are not interested in refighting
all battles.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This not sort of intend.

SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: Tone. I think will help up to get anything


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.

I was in the galley last night and I thought for sure President Obama was
going to come out and just punch somebody. I was kind of disappointed.
Although a Republican almost did.

Kind of an interesting night at the office. You know, the guy just never
disappoints the people that support him. I mean, if I had to describe
President Obama`s presidency to this point, he`s done what he can do
dealing with the people that he`s working with.

And just when we thought that he was going to come out last night and
really sock into them, he rises above it all and he`s still Mr. Classy and
he is still a guy that can communicate and a guy who really wants to help
American families.

But of course, there`s the reality of the guy that`s sitting behind him who
doesn`t want to do much anything except play golf.

President Obama in the State of the Union address, I think hit all the
issues that, you know, we were told he was going to hit. The kitchen table
issues, you know, things that Americans care about.

Major theme of the speech obviously income inequality although he did not
use that phraseology, he did not put income inequality together. He used
inequality but not what a lot of people have been talking about. I wonder
if that`s just a little bit too hard to define at this point. And of
course, he talked about raising the minimum wage, big part of the speech.
Fresh office address.

The president was on the road, keeping pace, outdoing events today in
Maryland and in Pennsylvania to stress the importance of a livable wage.

Here`s what the president said at a Costco in Maryland today.


OBAMA: Costco CEO Craig Jelinek, he knows that Costco is going to do
better, all our businesses do better when customers have more money to
spend. He sees that if he`s doing right by Costco`s workers, then they can
buy that 80 inch TV too.


SCHULTZ: Now, this is interesting, instead of coming out smacking people
who don`t, the president`s talking about people who do which is positive.
In the midst of all of this obstruction that we`ve seen in Washington, the
president finds a silver lining. You know, there`s good folks out there
that make a lot of money, that have to meet paychecks and they`re doing
their employees right. We just need more of them.

Last night, I think the president of the United States did a great job
fighting for the minimum wage workers in this country. You know, wage
increase is what it`s all about. It`s good for the economy, it`s good for
workers, it`s good for the country, most importantly it`s the correct thing
to do. It`s the moral thing to do and the president made it clear that
this is what we got to do.


OBAMA: After four years of economic growth, corporate profits and stock
prices have rarely been higher and those at the top have never done better.
But average wages have barely budged and the quality is deepened. The
Congress doesn`t need to get onboard.

Today, the federal minimum wage is worth about 20 percent less than it was
when Ronald Reagan first stood here. The Americans overwhelmingly agree
that no one who works full time should ever have to raise a family in


SCHULTZ: You know, when the president said that last night, I`m up in the
galley and I`m thinking, "Where`s Ted Kennedy?" I can hear him.

What is it? What is it that you have against these workers? Now, that`s -
- Kennedy would have said it and how he did say it back in 2007 on the
Senate floor. But this is how the president is saying, "What is it that
you have against these workers that you want to keep them down? Here`s are
the numbers. When does the greed stop? Folks at the top are doing real
well." Just kind of matter of style paraphrasing it differently but it was
the same message. Make no mistake, it was the same message.

President Obama did a great job also personalizing the issue talking about
Americans. You know, the story of a small business owner in Minnesota, in
the middle of the country, who raise wages for his workers.


OBAMA: Nick Chute is here today with his boss John Soranno, and John`s an
owner of Punch Pizza in Minneapolis, and Nick helps make the dough only now
he makes more of it. John just gave his employees a raise to $10 an hour
and that`s a decision that is eased their financial stress and boosted
their morale.

Tonight, I ask more of America`s business leaders to follow John`s lead.
Do what you can to raise your employees` wages.


SCHULTZ: Once again, instead of going after the people who don`t, the
stingy, he goes after and triumphs those who are unselfish and recognizes
hard work in America. John Soranno, he did the right thing. States around
the country are starting to do the right thing too. 71 percent of
Americans want to do the right thing.

Meanwhile, Republicans, they want to do the wrong thing. The absolute
wrong thing. They are on the complete opposite page from the rest of the
country, not just the president but from the rest of the country.

How could the country be so wrong on this issue Mr. Republicans? They have
been relentless in their fight to stop a minimum wage increase. Just
listen to failed vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan. Here`s his


RYAN: If you raise the price of these entry level jobs, there will be
fewer of them and we want to pull people into the workforce so they can
work their way up.

So we just think it`s bad economics and you`re actually hurting the people
you`re trying to help. Young people, low income people, minorities in the
inner city. Those are the people who will get hurt by taking these jobs


SCHULTZ: So, the guy from Wisconsin views it differently from the guy in
Minnesota. You see, the guy who`s never met payroll is telling the guy in
Minnesota who does meet payroll. "You know, you`re really hurting your
employees by making sure they have a little bit better wage to take home
every week." There is a reason this guy lost the election. They are
disconnected from real workers in this country. Paul Ryan is not an honest

Earlier today on my radio show, Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa had no problem
calling up the truth about Paul Ryan.

SEN. TOM HARKIN, (D) IOWA: It`s not the truth, I mean, every time I hear
that from Ryan or one of those guys in the House side I say put the proof
out there, show us some documentation. That`s absolutely totally false.
Every time we raised the minimum wage it has not cost us jobs, it has
created even more jobs in our society, and it raises people out of poverty.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Ryan from Wisconsin House Budget Chair, why don`t you just
show us the numbers. You go out there and you spew this stuff about its
going to cost jobs, it`s going to hurt minorities, going to hurt young
people? Show me the numbers. They don`t exist.

Harkin hit it the nail right on the hit.

Earlier today, Harkin gave a passionate Senate floor speech on passing the
minimum wage. He made it clear tax payers are picking up the tab for
corporations. We`re not paying their workers the bare minimum.


HARKIN: Working people have to turn to the safety net for food stamps and
all other kinds of things just to help them get by.

Well, a recent study found that our tax payers have to pick up the tab for
millions of working families to the tune of about $240 billion a year.
These are people who work but they`re making minimum wage.


SCHULTZ: Now, isn`t it interesting one lawmaker in the House, the House
Budget Chair, just throws this stuff out. But the other gentleman over in
the Senate, Mr. Harkin from Iowa, who has the bill to raise the minimum to
$10.10 an hour which the president referenced last night, he comes out with

You see, facts matter and numbers don`t lie. The current minimum wage is
corporate welfare to the tune of $240 billion a year.

It`s no wonder Republicans want to keep the minimum wage so low, it helps
the corporations that land in their pockets to help them win reelection.

Meanwhile, another major theme of the president`s speech was extending
unemployment insurance. It`s an issue we have covered on this program
extensively. Last night, the president made a heated case for Congress to
help, to help the long-term unemployed.


OBAMA: This Congress needs to restore the unemployment insurance you just
let expire for 1.6 million people.

They need our help right now but more important this country needs them in
the game.


SCHULTZ: We need them in the game. It`s never easy for the long-term
unemployment to go find a job. You know, these folks are out there in the
job market looking and looking and looking, folks who do the hiring are
always skeptical to give somebody a real good look and they`ve been out of
work for a long time or maybe over a year.

The president knows this and just went to business owners in this speech
last night and asked them to help out.


OBAMA: I`ve been asking CEOs to give more long-term unemployed workers a
fair shot at new jobs, a new chance to support their families. And in fact
this week, many will come to the White House to make that commitment real.

Tonight, I ask every business leader in America to join us and to do the
same because we are stronger when America fields a full team.


SCHULTZ: There is no reason Congress can`t extend unemployment and raise
the minimum wage. The American people want it done, Democrats want it
done, the president says that he will sign it, and once again, it`s
Republicans who are standing in the way.

Last night, President Obama called out Republicans. The president told
Republicans, "Hey, why don`t you join the rest of the country and give
Americans a raise?"


OBAMA: Tom Harkin and George Miller have a bill to fix that by lifting the
minimum wage to $10.10. It`s easy to remember 10, 10. This will help
families. It will give businesses, customers with more money to spend. It
does not involve any new bureaucratic program. So join the rest of the
country. Say yes. Give America a raise. Give them a raise.


SCHULTZ: It`s clear where Americans stand on this issue. What`s not clear
is where the Republicans stand. Every year, the Republicans response to
the State of the Union is just a total mess. This year was no different.
Count them. No left and four Republicans competing for the airtime.




SCHULTZ: Did you understand any of that? I sure you didn`t.

Republicans did not respond in the chamber to climate change, they sat
down, did not respond immigration, didn`t move a bit, unemployment, no, and
on women`s issues. They have no ideas or solutions. All Republicans do is
obstruct and the president did a great a job of calling them out last night
in the way he does it.

This is a very hard speech to counter that`s why they needed four or
although that many actions and that many splits in the Republican Party, I
guess so.

The president did it in a nice way. He did a great job of boxing the
Republicans in. Republicans are in the corner right now. They`re against
the American people and it was laid out last night in the State of the

I think it`s kind of hard for anybody to give a speech five years in a row
and impress everybody in the House or around the country. We`ve seen this
before. But last night, I thought the president did about as good as
anybody could have done. The American people are staring the Republicans
in the eye asking the question, "What would it take for you as a party to
think that`s it`s important for women to have a fair shot in the workplace?
Tell us. What conditions -- rainy conditions on the golf course? Do you
want the greens cut a little tighter, you want shorter fare ways, what is

Come on. Talk about it over around the golf, will you? Tell us, what do
women have to do in this country to get equal in the workplace?

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s question.
"Did President Obama corner Republicans with last night`s address?" Text A
for Yes, text B for No to 67622. You can always go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results later on in the show.

For more, let me bring in Congressman James Clyburn of South Carolina.
Congressman, great to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.

REP. JAMES CLYBURN, (D) SOUTH CAROLINA: Well, thank you so much for having
me, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Did the president put Republicans right where they needed to be
in a very classy manner? I mean, there was no arrogance, whatsoever, it
was stating the facts. What were your expectations going in and in the
aftermath, how do you feel about it?

CLYBURN: Well, you know, Ed, going into the speech, I must admit that I
was a bit anxious about it. I felt sure that the president was up to the
task, but I was not too sure of how receptive the -- bother (ph) would be
there within the halls or even how the public would be outside.

But I have been pleasantly surprised that the president`s optimism shown
through. He laid out a great opportunity agenda for the American people
and he enunciated for all of us the actions he is willing to take in order
to get us to where we need to be.

So opportunity, action, optimism exuded throughout that entire speech and
that came away very, very pleased with the president`s presentation and I`m
static over the way the American people have been responded to him.

Now, that is not to say as he indicated in his speech that my Republican
friends are going to be happier with all of these. But I think the
president is right where 70, 80 and in some instances 90 percent of
American people are -- 90 percent of American people. I believe we ought
to raise the minimum wage. I think around 65 to 70 percent Tea Party
Republicans thinking we ought to raise the minimum wage. I think that over
80 percent of the American people think that we ought to do unemployment

And so, when you look at the president`s speech and you look at all of the
surveys done about where are the American people are, the president is in
sync with the vast majority of American people. But once again, my
Republican friends in the Congress seem to be disconnected .


CLYBURN: . from it all.

SCHULTZ: Well, Congressman, Paul Ryan we played his sound bite. He`s out
and about saying things that simply aren`t true. And if they are true, he
hasn`t backed them up with any numbers. There`s this theory put out by the
Republicans that it will be a job killer, that it will hurt young people,
that it disproportionately will hurt minorities.

Now, this is what the gentleman from Wisconsin said. He is the Chairman of
the House Budget Committee. Is it time for the Democrats to demand proof
on these issues even further?

CLYBURN: Yes. Absolutely. And I think we will lay out as the president
stated and as you`ve done, you know, this evening, Tom Harkin on the floor
of the Senate. We`ve laid out proof positive as to what happens when you
raise the minimum wage. And we also can see what is happening when you
don`t. Worker`s morale low. Those of us who do to find ourselves employed
with the taxes we`re paying we`ll have to now sell to supplement wage
earners simply because the minimum wage has not kept up with inflation. If
it did .


CLYBURN: . their current minimum wage will be somewhere around $10.66
cents an hour or enough of it. We know that. So we need to raise the
minimum wage. We need to index it so that we won`t have the same .


CLYBURN: . argument every year.

SCHULTZ: And last night, the president spoke about Sergeant Cory Remsburg.
He did ten tours of duty, got hit by an IED and had a very tough recovery
and still recovering. Do you think it was a message to Republicans saying,
"You know, look at this guy, he has sacrificed for America. Do you think
you`re doing everything you can for the American people?"

That`s what I took out of it. What did you take from that?

CLYBURN: Well, I did. And I think that president was just merciful (ph)
last night in identifying as you said earlier who the people who are doing
what needs to be done, highlighting them rather spending a whole lot of
time on people who are not doing what they should do.


CLYBURN: That`s what optimism is all about. I think the president had a
very emotional connection with the American people as well as men and women
in uniform. And I thank them so much for doing that.

SCHULTZ: That was a very emotional moment last night. It was something to
be there. Congressman James Clyburn, great to have you with us tonight,
sir. Appreciate your time. Thanks so much.

CLYBURN: Thank you so much for having me.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Coming up, talk about a cold front, a young man learns
not to mess with a meteorologist named Jim Cantore.

Plus, Republican ideas on gender equity are a blast from the past. And
what was not in the speech last night. That`s all coming up.


SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders social media action. Always really
heavy (ph) with our program. I appreciate it so much.

Here`s where you can get involve at,
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SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, down south.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Across to Deep South a deep freeze is paralyzing an
entire region.

few times before to cover tropical storms and hurricanes but not an icing
snow storm.

SCHULTZ: The weather channel`s Jim Cantore delivers a weather wallop.

CANTORE: You see, we have not gotten into the worst part of the storm yet
that is to come a little bit later on tonight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s got to hurt.

CANTORE: Obviously, here at the college of Charleston they are already
having a good time.

SCHULTZ: The number Trender, foul play.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What a State of the Union address without an
interesting guest or two.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Duck dynasty is going to be in the House.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear Duck Dynasty get covered because it`s the
liberal media bias (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: GOP Congressman Van McAliister of Louisiana has invited
Willy Robertson.

SCHULTZ: Republicans lined up for a shot with the Duck Dynasty star.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The members of Congress were tweeting out their
picture of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got to love that.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, mind the gap.

OBAMA: Women make up about half our workforce. But they still make 77
cents for every dollar a man earns.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re just a woman with a small brain.

OBAMA: That is wrong. And in 2014, it`s an embarrassment. Women deserve
equal pay for equal work.

SCHULTZ: Republicans sit tight while the President fights for fair pay.

SCHULTZ: It is time to do a way with workplace policies that belong in a
Mad Men episode.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But you can`t be a man don`t even try.

OBAMA: When women succeed America succeeds.


SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight, Connie Schultz, nationally syndicated
columnist and contributor to Parade Magazine.

Connie, always a pleasure good to have with us. Your reaction to the GOP
overall, they sat right there when the President was making correct and
very profound statements about women in our society and in the workplace.
What was your reaction looking at this?

that there was greater applause for that passage than most passages of the
president`s speech. I don`t really look to GOP reaction on the House floor
honestly, Ed, to see what direction the country needs to be going in and
then I don`t need their approval for me to know and for most women in
America to know that we need to be emphasizing gender equity in the

SCHULTZ: What would it take to move the Republican party because they of
course are obstructing everything. Women in the workplace aren`t going to
advance until Washington comes together and makes it fair in the workplace.
That`s how I see it. That`s what history tells us. So what do you think
it would take to get to move them?

CONNIE SCHULTZ: Fear. Fear of losing. Fear of losing big. I think it
was interesting when you look at what the official GOP response was to Mike
Huckabee for example when he felt inclined to start talking about our
libido rates and the need for birth control that they pushed back pretty
quickly on that.

They -- I think more of the Republican leadership knows this is not a
working message, this is not an effective message for women. And quite
frankly, I think more Democrats who probably been doing a little too much
fence-sitting are starting to understand as well just how important it`s
going to be to have women support in the midterm elections.

SCHULTZ: Interesting. You bring up Mike Huckabee`s name. There`s a new
PPP poll out and it says that he is leading the pack for 2016 among
Republicans with Jeb Bush and Chris Christie close behind. I mean what
does that say about the mindset of that out fit?

CONNIE SCHULTZ: It says that things are looking really good for Democrats
in 2016.

ED SCHULTZ: Cathy McMorris Rodgers of Washington state gave the -- I guess
official rebuttal there were four of them that were out there to the State
of the Union. And she did not advocate for women`s rights in the workplace
and equality the way the president did.


ED SCHULTZ: This must be the official position of the Republican Party.

CONNIE SCHULTZ: It was an interesting speech that she gave. It had a
great deal of her personal narrative in it. I would really discourage
members of Congress from doing that. You and I, Ed, share backgrounds as
well and you know I`m from the working class, I think you have to be
sparing it how often you use your own life example to be instructed for
every other woman`s life in America.

ED SCHULTZ: Can the president get equal pay for women with this current
climate in Washington? That`s really what it comes down here. Can
something get done?

CONNIE SCHULTZ: I`m actually thinking it can. Again, I think fear will
motivate more of the Republicans in Congress who have been resisting. The
numbers are not good for them with women. They know they need women. They
-- I think they know they need women. They certainly do need women voters
and women support.

And I`m encouraged even by the opposed ones -- the amount of -- toss it
that it got. But I said before I think the only thing that`s really going
to drive him in this one is going to be fear. And I really encourage women
of America to exercise that muscle that we`ve got to make our elected
officials aware of just how serious we are about these upcoming elections.

ED SCHULTZ: Connie Schultz, great to have you with us. I appreciate .


ED SCHULTZ: . your time this evening. Thank you.

Coming up, a Republican congressman`s interaction with a reporter was
pretty grim, to say the least, but nobody`s calling him a name that we`ve
heard tossed around the lot. We`ll get to that.

Still ahead, he said the debate is settled but President Obama didn`t
address one big topic when it comes to energy independence, and the
environment, and the Keystone XL pipeline. That wasn`t in the speech.

I`m taking your questions next when we come back on Ask Ed live here on
MSNBC. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Ask Ed Live here. I appreciate all the questions. And our first
question tonight in our segment comes from Fred. He says "Should President
Obama use executive action and raise a minimum wage for all?"

Well, he can`t do that, although it would be interesting if he did to risk
impeachment, because they want to impeach him for everything else.

Now, the president is not going to do this. It`s not within his
constitutional powers.

Our next question is from Nikki (ph) and she wants to know, "Do you think
it was disrespectful for Representative Steve Stockman to walk out during
President Obama`s State of the Union speech?"

Well, when it happen, I thought maybe he had some intestinal problem and
just had to go to the gime (ph). But then I realized, oh, that Stock, when
he`s a Republican, he doesn`t like Obama, never has.

Look, the undercurrent in Washington, and you could see it right on their
faces during the speech and I was checking them all out. "I don`t want to
hear what the president has to say. I don`t want to work with him. They
don`t like him. And they were just there because they felt like they had
to be there." That`s the impression that I got.

There`s probably a lot of other Republicans that walk out manly during that
speech. Stockman, he show voting and not to support the politics. Now, he
got to show both, get attention, draw attention yourself. That`s what he
was doing. I don`t know if it`s going to help at all, but we all know who
he is and I guess that`s his -- what he was trying to accomplish.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Republican Congressman Michael
Grimm probably hasn`t been called a thug too many times in his life. And
let me clarify I`m not calling him a thug, I`m just making an observation
here, then he`s probably never been called that. We`re -- if you`re going
by the dictionary definition, what a thug is, it`s defined as a "violent
person, especially a criminal."

Now it`s not a word we typically use to describe our elected federal
lawmakers. I`m certainly not doing that tonight, but the New York
Congressman we need to point out is under federal investigation for 2010
campaign finance violations. And last night when New York 1 reporter
Michael Scotto asked Grimm about the allegations, things got real
interesting and ugly.


MICHAEL SCOTTO, NY1 REPORTER: Michael Grimm does not want to talk about
some of the allegations concerning his campaign finances. We wanted to get
him on camera on that, but he, as you saw, refused to talk about that.
Back to you.

REP. MICHAEL GRIMM, (R) NEW YORK: Let me be clear to you. If you ever do
that to me again, I`ll throw you off this fucking balcony.

SCOTTO: Why, why I just wanted to ask you.

GRIMM: If you ever do that to me again.

SCOTTO: Why, why it`s a valid question.

GRIMM: (Inaudible). No, no. You`re not man enough, you`re not man
enough. I`ll break you in half like a boy.


SCHULTZ: Well, it looks like someone took a page from Chris Christie`s
charm school text book. What you just witness was a congressman
threatening physical violence against a young journalist who is just doing
his job asking a question. I bet you won`t hear anyone call that
congressman a thug.

Instead, this man gets called a thug. A Stanford graduate with no criminal
record, whatsoever. Richard Sherman was called a thug after his now
infamous (ph) post-game interview because he was too aimed (ph) up for some
people. Sherman didn`t threaten violence. He didn`t threat to hurt
anybody. Didn`t threaten to even throw him over the balcony and break
anybody in half.

Earlier today, Congressman Grimm called the New York 1 reporter to
apologize and said he overreacted. But the former marine and FBI agent has
been accused of overreacting in the past. A 2011 New Yorker article told
the story of a 1999 bar altercation where Grimm allegedly threaten the
patron with a gun. Grimm has of course denied the story saying he only
moved his gun.

In this case, I think the tape speaks for itself. But, I just want to know
what would happen if I had been last night around the gallery and if I got
mad at somebody and said I was going to throw him over the balcony and
break him in half. I don`t think I`d be doing this broadcast tonight. I
think the private sector would just get rid of somebody like that. But for
some reason, Grimm took the license to act that way. And whether he says
he`s sorry or not, the question tonight remains, is that enough?

Joining me now is our Rapid Response panel E.J. Dionne, MSNBC Contributor
and Columnist for the Washington Post and MSNBC Political Analyst and
Columnist for the Washington Post, Eugene Robinson. Gentlemen, good to
have you with us tonight.


E.J. DIONNE, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Good to be with you.

SCHULTZ: And now, I have to say, I`ve never -- I`ve seen you guys work and
I`ve never seen either one of you ever do something like that. But this is
so out of bounds. Grimm threaten to throw this guy over the balcony and
break him in half. Eugene, what`s you`re response to this, this is a.


SCHULTZ: . a man who`s on the federal payroll.

ROBINSON: Well, first of all, you`re right. I`m not in the habit of
beating sources to a pulp or threatening to do so in fact. And I guess if
I did that, I would be certainly be called a thug. And justifiably so, I
mean that was to me thuggish behavior apparently by somebody who has a
serious and perhaps clinical problem with anger management. And I, you
know, it`s, you know, I`m sorry I overreacted I am -- maybe we need to go a
little bit beyond that.

SCHULTZ: New York Mayor Bill de Blasio has called on the house to sanction
Grimm. Could the action be taken against this congressman for this E.J.?
What do you think?

DIONNE: I think it`s unlikely especially in the House. You know, I have a
fairly high tolerance for politicians yelling at journalists. It`s
happened to me. I had a politician once told me that politicians may have
thin skins but journalists have no skins. So I think we got to be able to
absorb some grief. But I was really -- I think shocked is the right word
when I saw this thing last night where, you know, the threat of violence,
and you know, throw you over the balcony, that goes way beyond any kind of
legitimate back and forth between a politician and journalists.

And you know, Grimm, the first time around, he eventually issued a real
apology. But the first time around he was just trying to say, "Oh well,
you know, politicians have a right to strike back." Well yeah, they have a
right to argue with us and even yell at us. But this went way beyond
anything I`ve ever seen even from some pretty tough politicians.

SCHULTZ: I want both of you to respond to this, that different language is
being used to describe Richard Sherman`s behavior than that of an elected
lawmaker like Chris Christie or Michael Grimm. We`ve seen Christie go, in
my opinion, overboard with some constituents embarrassing them,
intimidating them, we`ve had them on this program, what do you make of this

ROBINSON: Well, look, this is a Rapid Response panel so I -- so we can`t
do the whole like three hours with you on stereo to.

SCHULTZ: I got three hours. Let`s go.

ROBINSON: . stereo on the way. Black males are stereotyped and behavior
by people who look different who perhaps have different racial or ethnic
origin. I think that same behavior is interpreted differently and called
different names. And you know, that`s pervasive and it`s through a society
and we could come up with 150 different examples. I think this is
certainly one.

SCHULTZ: It`s certainly is, E.J.?

DIONNE: Oh, you know, I was going to say, I think the word thug now is a
racially coded. I think it`s been coded against other ethnic groups
before. You know, Italian-Americans in the past complain legitimately that
they all got thrown into some basket involving organized crime. But I
think right now, it`s a word that`s used very specifically and wrongly and
far more often about African-Americans that it is about other people. And,
you know, everybody -- it`s a free country people could say whatever they


DIONNE: But I think, we have to watch out for that because it -- you build
stereotypes that are very destructive.

SCHULTZ: I think this is a time for somebody in the Republican Party to
show some leadership. Like, you know, hey, can we reel this thing in a
little bit, we got an image problem. I mean, I think that collectively,
this is -- this hurts the brand of the Republican Party. It doesn`t do
them any good. I mean, they caucus together, they talk together, they go
over issues together. Who knows if this congressman has had any
conversations about allegations with his campaign hasn`t been asked in
caucus about it. And then for them to go out and act like this and some of
the other behavior that`s been taken place. I mean is this -- is this
brand management at this point Eugene?

ROBINSON: Well, look, this doesn`t help the brand. I think you could
argue or with certainly the numbers would suggest that the media is only
slightly more popular than members of Congress. So -- and so, there would
be some who would say, "Oh, you know, good on him (ph). He went after a
reporter." But I, you know, I think there`s just personal element here.
This is a guy who seems they have trouble, I mean, he sounded like he
really wanted to throw him off the balcony. And, you know, this could have
ended in a totally different way and this could be all different story
given the amount of rage that seem to be present there last night.

SCHULTZ: What about the brand E.J. Dionne?

DIONNE: Well, I think the Republicans have a lot of brand problems right
now and is obviously frigid to some of it. There are brand problem. I
think particularly hurts them among younger voters who are more open-minded
about a lot of things in older voters and they keep feeding stereotypes
that`s keeping a lot of young people away from them. And lot alone,
African-Americans and Latinos.

SCHULTZ: Gentlemen, E.J. Dionne, Eugene Robinson great to have you on the
program. I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you so much.

Coming up, Lindsey Graham needs a lesson on what the word "literally"
means. Pretenders is ahead after the break, literally.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, apocalypse now. Lindsey Graham,
President Obama didn`t pull any punches on sanctions against Iran last


OBAMA: Iran has begun to eliminate its stockpile of higher levels of
enriched uranium. The sanctions that we put in place help make this
opportunity possible.

But let me be clear, if this Congress sends me a new sanctions bill now
that threatens to derail these talks, I will veto it.


SCHULTZ: The president wasn`t shy about telling Congress they weren`t
getting in the way of the diplomatic progress that`s taking place.

In response, Lindsey Graham, South Carolina Senator wasn`t shy about
letting everyone know he didn`t own a dictionary. The senator disagree
with the president`s position saying, "The world is literally about to blow

There`s no exaggeration here folks. Lindsey Graham literally has no idea
what he`s talking about. If Lindsey Graham thinks he can tackle foreign
policy before tackling a middle school language arts lesson, he can keep on


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work.

President Obama declared there are absolutes when it comes to climate
change in the State of the Union address.


OBAMA: The debate is settled. Climate change is a fact and when our
children`s children look us in the eye and ask if we did all we could to
lead them a safer, more stable world with new sources of energy, I want to
us to be able to say, "Yes we did."

The all-of-the-above energy strategy I announced a few years ago is
working. And today America is closer to energy independence than we have
been in decades.


SCHULTZ: President got a standing ovation from a majority of Democrats.
However, Republicans in Congress didn`t seem to like the president`s
climate action plan. He also gave a big shout out to natural gas.


OBAMA: Businesses plan to invest almost $100 billion in new factories that
use natural gas. I`ll cut red tape to help states get those factories
built, and put folks to work, and this Congress can help by putting people
to work building fueling stations that shift more cars and trucks from
foreign oil to American natural gas.


SCHULTZ: President Obama highlighted several new in existing measures to
expand clean energy production by using his executive powers not dependent
on the divided Congress. One thing notably absent from the speech when it
comes to energy independents was no mention of the Keystone XL Pipeline.
The proposed 1700 mile pipeline would carry tar sands oil from Canada
through the Great Plains to the refineries in Texas.

Supporters say it would create thousands of jobs and cut U.S. fuel costs by
reducing the nation`s reliance on oil imports from nations less friendly
than Canada. Critics say it would harm the environment and impact climate
change. No better authority on this than the straight-talking former
Governor of Montana Brian Schweitzer joins us tonight. Governor, good to
have you with us.

FMR. GOV. BRIAN SCHWEITZER, (D) MONTANA: Well, it`s great to be back, Ed.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Why didn`t the President mention or make any mention of
the Keystone XL Pipeline or is that not an issue. Were you curious about

SCHWEITZER: Well, I didn`t think he was going to talk about the Keystone
Pipeline. That`s only one feature of climate change. It`s only one
feature of our energy conservation strategy that we`ve got in this country.
The oil is going to be produced in Canada and either they`re going to run a
pipeline to Fort Rupert, British Columbia and put it on boats and ship it
to China, or they`re going to ship that down across Montana. And because I
negotiated on ramp in Montana, we`ll no longer have to ship that Bakken oil
by rail all over the country right through a big cities and it would be
able go on the Keystone Pipeline.

A lot of people don`t understand that the Keystone Pipeline would have
Montana and North Dakota Bakken oil, sweet crude oil produced in the United
States. And of course, you mentioned it Ed. I actually have visited the
Montana National Guard in Iraq and Afghanistan and Kuwait. And I`ll
promise you, I`ll guarantee to you that the Governor of Montana will never
have to send the National Guard to the Canadian border to protect in oil

I think we have to wean ourselves off of that petro-dictator oil in the
Middle East. Bring our men and women home. Produce our own energy cleaner
and greener right here in the United States and Canada.

SCHULTZ: Is it safe Governor to go pipeline over American land like that.

SCHWEITZER: Well, we have 160,000 miles of pipelines that crisscross our
country right now with petroleum products in it, 160,000 miles of those
pipelines. Many of them were designed and built decades ago. I am
absolutely sure that the pipeline designed today and built within the next
couple of years is going to be safer than all those other pipelines that
we`ve got. This is another supply of oil. It`s produced in a little
different way than the sweet crude that we produce in Montana. But
ultimately, it is crude oil.

SCHULTZ: And is the president going to give his stamp of approval? What
do you know about it?

SCHWEITZER: I don`t know. And I`ve spoken with TransCanada. Actually, I
negotiated with TransCanada. I didn`t become a supporter of the Keystone
Pipeline until they agreed to spend a $160 million in Montana to build an
on-ramp for Bakken oil. And then I became a very big advocate for it
because we`re shipping it by rail right now which is not safe. They`re
either going to ship that oil to Fort Rupert, British Columbia or they`re
going to ship it down to the Gulf Coast.

If I was Canada, I would choose to do business with the United States. We
can trust them. They can trust us. But, if we choose not to buy this oil,
they`ll ship it to China and we`ll produce oil here or maybe we`ll bring it
through Mexico.

SCHULTZ: And do you think it will create the jobs that have been

SCHWEITZER: Well, it will create thousands of jobs in building the
pipeline. Running the pipeline is quite another matter, but building the
pipeline, it will be thousands of jobs. And for places like Montana, it
will produce millions of dollars in tax revenue to a lot of those real
counties. Those county commissioners, they`re kind of looking forward to
buy in some new graders and some new bulldozers and other maintenance
equipment. You know, we have along winter, as you know Ed.


SCHWEITZER: . and so, we need a lot of snow removal equipment.

SCHULTZ: You have to send a few of them down to Atlanta, Georgia, I think.
Governor, good to have.

SCHWEITZER: Well, you know, we wouldn`t close anything down to Montana
because we got two inches of snow.

SCHULTZ: All right. Governor, good to have you with us today. I
appreciate your time. Brian Schweitzer, former Governor of Montana.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.


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