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The Ed Show for Monday, March 24, 2014

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March 24, 2014

Guests: Marcy Kaptur, Dr. Corey Hebert, Keith Wolzinger, Kerry Walsh, Steve
Israel, Bob Shrum

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. Let`s get to work.


of talk and frustration.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know you can`t.

OBAMA: Decades of trying to just harm me (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Those people who need help most right now.

OBAMA: We proved that this government, the government of the people, and
by the people, still works for the people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bill of states (ph) 50 votes and the Republican
lead Congress to do a way with it.

OBAMA: I want to thank every member of Congress who stood up tonight with
courage and conviction to make healthcare reform real.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let`s repeal this failure before it literally kills.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We then talk about who says what, but the facts will
speak for themselves.

OBAMA: It`s a victory for the American people and it`s a victory for
common sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the first time in American history. Healthcare
is a right, not a privilege.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This premier issue in a 2014 election.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I believe that it`s a winner.


SCHULTZ: It`s a winner, it`s a loser. It`s a loser, it`s a winner.
That`s what Washington is good for. What are the facts? The facts are,
four years, 50 votes, that`s where we are. Obamacare not getting whiskers
yet, but it is four years old and lives are being saved. This was the
scene at the White House of four years ago.

This past Sunday, President Obama officially signed the Affordable
Healthcare Act after a very heated debate in Congress. After it was a hot
election issue, four years later, what are the Republicans have to show
for? Well, they have been fighting Obamacare tooth and nail. This guy has
put it up on the floor over 50 times to repeal the low that was enough to
get President Obama re-elected.

You know what this is? This is a complete waste of time and tax payer
money. If you like you get your money`s worth now? Obamacare was passed
by the Congress, signed by the president, upheld by the Supreme Court,
still not good enough. And the American people voted the guy in that
brought it in 2012, still not enough.

This is all the Republicans have on the table right now. And of course,
private companies now, the new twists are suing the administration over
providing birth control under Obamacare, starts like Hobby Lobby. Well,
they`re just being infringed upon. They say that their religious beliefs
should exempt them from providing contraception to women. They want to
discriminate and it`s in front of the Supreme Court.

Democrats are not impressed with these companies like Hobby Lobby, trying
to exclude themselves from the law. Minnesota Congressman Keith Ellison
said, "This case is scary territory for employees."


REP. KEITH ELLISON, (D) MINNESOTA: Let`s step back from the whole
Obamacare, Affordable Care Act debate and ask yourselves what this would
mean, do we really want a corporation to be able to have its own religious
views and impose them on its employees? What that would mean for our --
the separation of church and state for individual liberty? What would it
mean about corporate personhood? This is scary territory and people need
to win.


SCHULTZ: Absolutely. The Supreme Court will be hearing arguments on the
case tomorrow. Meanwhile, after four years, Eric Cantor says he`s finally,
finally working on an Obamacare alternative. Cantor told members at a
private meeting on Thursday quote, "House Republicans will rally around and
pass an alternative to Obamacare this year."

How about that? They`re going to have a healthcare rally. That`s what
they`re going to do. They`re going to get around. They`re going to rally,
because it has taken them four years to put something on paper. You know,
I like to see this alternative from Cantor, four years later, and the
Republicans had yet to put anything on the table of any substance
whatsoever when it comes to saving lives and reducing cost.

Here`s what Cantor`s alternative is going to have to compete with. No more
losing coverage for pre-existing condition. And of course, we`re going to
have free preventive care, we`re going to have nolife time limits, we`re
going to have young adults in their parents plan. These are four basics
that I don`t think Cantor can keep up with. Cantor would, you know, he
have to keep on to the Medicaid expansion as well. I highly doubt whether
an alternative by the Republicans is going to keep up with all of these
things that have been good for Americans.

And as of today, as of today, you know, I got to apologize -- hold it right
there. I said some months ago that it was going to be five million people
by March 1st and the Washington Post really took issue with that and I
apologize tonight, there`s another apology here. I missed it by 14 days,
damn. Close, I know the Washington Post never really held anybody
accountable for the Iraq war, all those billions of dollars and predictions
and all that kind of stuff, but I missed it by 14 days, I apologize.

As of today, over five million people have enrolled in Obamacare. By the
end of March, that`s this month, that`s a week from today, son of a gun,
they`re expected to have over six million. Not bad. Now, and think about
this. Remember back in October, we were just going crazy with these
stories on the website. It was day after day, failure, failure, failure.
Where is that now? Well, we`re closing it on six million. They wanted
seven. It`s probably going to be 6.5 million, not bad, a good day at the
office for the numbers.

One estimate shows Obamacare has provided healthcare for over 13 million
Americans. This number includes of course young adults under 26 who are
able to stay on their parents plan. But that`s so small number. Remember,
we`re in our infancy of change. Healthcare costs are also dropping for the
first time at a long time. Health insurance costs and medical care costs
fell sharply in January, ding, ding, ding, how about that Mr. Tanner (ph).
You got something that can compete with that?

Insurance costs fell roughly 0.4 percent. Medicare costs fell roughly 0.1
percent. All the numbers are going on the right way. The facts are clear.
Four years later in Obamacare, it`s working. Republican opposition, well,
to Obamacare is based not in fact at all or in reason, it`s based in
outdated partisan ideology. Democrats need to embrace Obamacare. Don`t be
afraid to run on it in the midterms. Don`t pay attention to the
predictions, pay attention to the results, pay attention to the numbers,
explain that in a Town Hall meeting and they will be cheering Democrats and
make sure you tell them that the Republicans fought everything from the
economy to healthcare.

Now, if Democrats runaway from Obamacare, they`re going to be vulnerable.
That`s what I think. You just can`t kind of, you know, embrace it. Voters
are going to sense it. Well, you know, maybe Boehner was right with all
these votes. I can`t even get my representative to stand up for the good.

Here`s what you need to -- I think really grab. When these guys had the
power, when they have the White House, the House, and the Senate, from 2000
to 2008, the average single premium in this country in year 2000 was just
under $2,500 -- $2,471, that`s what it cost you back down in 2000. In
2008, the average premium was $4,704. It was almost doubled. So, where
all these Republicans trying to fix healthcare back then? They weren`t.
And the insurance companies were making both load the money and they still
are which is good. That`s part of the bill.

Insurance cost recently, well, they fall in 0.4 percent in January, and you
know what, for the first time in decades, we finally have this. Healthcare
costs are going down because of Obamacare. I know it`s not instant and it
wasn`t March 1st and it wasn`t back in early October. It did take some
time. The fact to the matter is, the more people to get covered, this
chart is only going to grow correctly for Americans, for families, for
businesses. No matter what the Republicans come up with, they are lying.
All you have to do is look at their commercials.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s question.
Do you trust Republicans to come forward with a better healthcare plan?
Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622. You can always go to our blog at We`ll bring you the results later on in this show.

For more, let me bring in Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur of Ohio.
Congresswoman, great to have you with us tonight.

REP. MARCY KAPTUR, (D) OHIO: Great to be with you, Ed.

SCHULTZ: Eric Cantor, all of a sudden, it`s been four years and 50 votes.
They`re coming up with an alternative. What do you think it`s going to
look like?

KAPTUR: I can`t imagine it will be good. I remember when they -- we`re
afraid to stand up to the pharmaceutical companies and they didn`t allow us
to bulk buy prescription drugs and to save the American people money. And
now, people are paying so much more for their prescriptions all over this
country. So, I don`t think you`re going to see much from the other side of
the aisle. Democrats really created Medicare. We created social security.

And yes, the majority of us voted for the Affordable Care Act in the state
that I represent, Ohio. 79,000 new Ohioans people who did not have
insurance before, people who has changed their insurance plan have now
registered under the new program, and people have until March 31st to
select among many plans. They have many more choices.

SCHULTZ: Congresswoman, do you go home and run on Obamacare on the
Affordable Care Act?

KAPTUR: You know what`s happening in Ohio? People are coming up to me and
thanking me. I had a couple the other day that had two children. Both of
whom had mental illness and they could never get insurance, they can get
insurance now.

SCHULTZ: So, you run on it?

KAPTUR: You bet, yeah.


KAPTUR: You bet. Yeah, we run on it. And you know what, and people are
going to find out -- as one small businessman said to me, "Marcy, I can now
get a plan. I had a $10,000 deductible. My wife and I, he`s a shoe maker
back home, he thanked me for voting for the bill." I think people are
going to find that across the board. If we can land a man on the moon and
adjust the trajectory a bit, we can do this too.

SCHULTZ: What`s your response to the Supreme Court case over these
companies that are going to have to provide contraception? They say that a
conception coverage -- they say that it goes against their religious

KAPTUR: Well, I think people can hold to their own religious beliefs, but
if someone works for a company and they want to select among a choice of
options in plans, they should have the right to do that. Not everyone will
select that particular option, but I think that should be open to people
and it`s not mandated and it is by choice.

SCHULTZ: Why do you think Republicans continue to waste their time trying
to repeat all the law? What has been in your opinion the mission of 50
votes? Just to keep it out their in front of the public?

KAPTUR: I think it`s political. I think that is using fear rather than
hope. We all, those of us that voted for it -- voted for the hope, that
all Americans would have decent insurance. In the region that I represent,
75 percent of the families that fall into bankruptcy do so because of the
cost of health insurance. They go health insurance bankrupt basically.
They can`t afford to pay their bills.

This basically says there are no lifetime limits. If somebody gets sick in
your family, it`s not your fault. And that we as a country do this to
build a healthier nation, to build a stronger society. We can get there.

SCHULTZ: Congresswoman Marcy Kaptur, I know you represent the folks in
Lorain, Ohio. Those are some proud Americans and they speak highly of you.
Keep up the fight. I appreciate your time tonight, thank you.

KAPTUR: Thank you. You know, people can register for a plan until the end
of March.


KAPTUR: They just have to call 1-800-318-2596, and a navigator will walk
them through the dozens of plans that they are eligible for.

SCHULTZ: Navigators, all good. Thinks that`s too is what the Republicans
have chased out of the neighborhood down in Florida. Thank you
Congresswoman, I appreciate your time.

Let me bring in Dr. Corey Hebert, Professor at LSU Sciences Center. Dr.
Hebert, you know, here we go again, it`s been four years since Obamacare
was passed, how do you think it`s going from? And where`s the March from
all the Doctors who have a hard time with Obamacare? How come all the
doctors aren`t quitting? How come we`re not seeing all the press
conferences with the doctors if it`s so bad?

say, today, I had a 23-year old woman come to me and say, "Thank you so
much for speaking out for Obamacare", because she has insurance that cost
$77 a month. That`s right, $77 a month, and she has all of her preventive
care paid for. So, they can sit back and talk all yakety-yak, all they
want Ed, but we know the real deal because the numbers speak for
themselves. And people need to go sign up real quick, because we know
we`re approaching that date where we have a little cut off here. So, we
need to go sign up.

SCHULTZ: But have the providers -- has their world been turn upside down
like the Republicans love to portray? And for a lack of a better term,
they really think that all the doctors are really getting screwed on this
deal. I mean, I don`t know how they`re going to make a living if you
listen to what they`re saying.

HEBERT: Yes. No, no, that has not happened, I mean, we know that the
primary care doctors, if you want to work as a primary care doctor, this is
going to ramp you up to be able to probably make more money than you
would`ve have made before Obamacare. But let`s take money out of the
picture, let just say that now people could actually get care, and that --
when you go home at night as a doctor, that makes you feel good, because
the people that you couldn`t provide care for before Obamacare, now you

SCHULTZ: But there .

HEBERT: And that`s what the altruistic person thinks.

SCHULTZ: But there hasn`t been a real financial turn around .


SCHULTZ: . for doctors.

HEBERT: No, no, no.

SCHULTZ: And that`s the case that the Republicans love to present, like
your profession is really in a bind right now. You can`t take anywhere
near the kind of money that you used to be able to make.

HEBERT: No, absolutely not. That is the not the case across the board Ed,

SCHULTZ: OK. Now, Republicans say that they`re going to vote on an
alternative to Obamacare. Is there any way that their plan would be able
to compete what I listed up tonight?

HEBERT: Well, let`s just say this, one in five voters. It does not even
trust the House Republicans right now. So, you got Boehner and Ryan and
Cantor sitting around in their little beer summit, trying to figure out
some way. But we know on February 21st, you know, I bring the facts,
February 21st, Cantor said .


HEBERT: . he was almost done he had to cross teas in that ice (ph).

Now, yesterday he`s saying, "We`re working on it." That doesn`t even make
any sense. All we need to know is that they don`t have anything, they can
even come up with the plan that they can do together to fight Obamacare.
So they will not be able to have anything that will be able to fight this,
because it is altruism, it`s what needs to be done .


HEBERT: . because people need healthcare and that`s it.

SCHULTZ: Do you think that Bobby Jindal`s ratings are poor because of what
he has rejected down there when it comes to healthcare?

HEBERT: Let`s just say, yes. I mean, I can`t even go into the fact people
marching in the streets down here saying, "Absolutely not." You know, we
need to accept the Medicare expansion, if we don`t, people don`t get taken
care of it.

SCHULTZ: OK. Dr. Hebert, great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate
you`re time and all your work. Thanks so much.

HEBERT: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the
screen. Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook.
We want to know what you think.

Coming up, Malaysian authorities now believe Flight 370 went down into the
Indian Ocean. Our panel weighs in on that. But first, Republicans
proposed big budget cuts. Congressman Steve Israel joins me. More cuts
than what they had before. We`re right back.


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SCHULTZ: The number three trender, Romneysia.

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SCHULTZ: Mitt Romney continues his attacks on the president.

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a certain degree.

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ROMNEY: Five years of the Obama administration and our esteem around the
world has fallen.

SCHULTZ: But Dems say he is forgetful in foreign policy.

SEN. DICK DURBIN, (D) ILLINOIS: And Governor Romney`s suffering from
political amnesia. What President Obama has done is restore a working
relationship. Osama bin Laden is gone. The war in Iraq is over.

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SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, a cut above.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Top House Republican are pulling their members there to
see if there`s enough support to pass a budget offered by Paul Ryan .

SCHULTZ: The House GOP`s budget plan calls for even more cuts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s going to take a little on the stop.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have committed to putting a budget out there what
will actually bring it to balance within 10 years.


SCHULTZ: Joining us tonight Congressman Steve Israel of New York.
Congressman, always a pleasure, good to have you with us.

Gosh, a lot to unpack here. I`m just glad that Mitt Romney is out there
talking for Republicans to remind the American people that he was the loser
not long ago. Why are Republicans working on another budget? They have to
go take the polls of their members to figure out how deep the cuts got to
be. What do you make of it?

REP. STEVE ISRAEL, (D) NEW YORK: Well, you know, nothing tells you more
about where people stand in Congress than a budget. This election is going
to be about whose side you`re on and this budget is going to reveal what
side Republicans are on. They`re on the side of special interest, even if
it weakens the middle class. So here`s what you`re going to see in this
budget. You will see a budget that actually increases taxes on middle
class families and actually decreases taxes on the very wealthy. You`re
going to see a budget that makes it more expensive for people to send their
kids to college, but also increases subsidies to big oil companies. Why
are the Republicans doing it? Here`s why, because they`re Republicans.

SCHULTZ: That is it, they can`t cut enough. They say that they`re going
to have it all balanced in 10 years. Yet of course, we`re not very far
away from them going after President Obama to do something in the Ukraine.
Mark my words on that one and of course they`re going to want to do offsets
on that, they don`t know who`s going to pay for it. Down the road, that`s
the way it`s going to be.

Now, on the Democratic side, I`m rather curios about Steny Hoyer calling
for the ground work of a grand bargain. Now, every time there`s grand
bargain talk, we`re talking about cuts in Medicare, Medicaid, and Social
Security. What kind of grand bargain would the Democrats buy into?

ISRAEL: Well, the only thing that we`re interested and whether it`s a
grand bargain or any kind of compromise or any kind of middle ground is in
middle ground that strengthens the middle class. That`s our economic
imperative in this climate. And so, we will talk with Republicans and
we`ll meet with Republicans, but we are interested in a budget that is
balanced not on the backs of the middle class that makes cuts but to oil
company subsidies not to college affordability.

If the Republicans want to engage with us in that kind of big bold
compromise, one that strengthens the middle class and doesn`t ask the
middle class to sacrifice more so that the special interest get more, then
we`re happy to have that conversation.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, it`s your job to get people to run for the House.
Is the Affordable Care Act attire around the Democrat`s neck? And I ask
that because I keep hearing about fixes. I keep hearing about a little
reluctance by some Democrats to go home and run and run hard on Obamacare.
What`s the instruction? What`s the best play right now? It would seem to
me it`s very obvious.

ISRAEL: Well, the only reason that Republicans are obsessed with the
repeal of the Affordable Care Act is because it is the only thing that
unifies their base which is fractured, which is weak, which is fighting a
civil war. The problem with their strategy is that a majority of the
American people don`t want the Affordable Care Act repealed, they want it
fixed where it can be fixed, they wanted to improve.

And so, here`s what we`re going to do, we`re going to remind the American
people that every time a Republican House member says that they want to
repeal this bill and they`ve done it 55 times, what they`re really saying
to you is if you`re a senior citizen, your prescription drug prices going
up. If you`re a young person, you kick off your parent`s insurance. If
you are woman with breast cancer, you`re back to the days where that breast
cancer .


ISRAEL: . is a preexisting condition. We`re going to go at them for what
repeal needs.

SCHULTZ: So is it -- the politically correct move, and I know that`s not
probably the proper language but, I mean, it would just seem to me that
it`s going to be much stronger for the Democrats if there is a unifying
message that this is something that the Dems are not going to get away
from, the things that you just mention, and they`re not going to shy away
from it whatsoever and put the opponents on the defensive because they are
the ones that have voted against all of these. They basically have voted
to cause the middle class families more money with these votes.

ISRAEL: Now, that`s exactly right and, you know, we`re going to be focused
on that that Republicans who want repeal are actually going to hurt the
middle class. Where it can be fixed, we want to fix it. And that`s what
the American people want. They want common sense solutions and not this
obsession with repeal that will be costly to the middle class.

SCHULTZ: So, the conversation in caucus is what? Go home and run hard on

ISRAEL: Conversation is, talk about where improvements should be made that
are matter of common sense, push back against Republicans and tell people
exactly what repeal means and then talk about the broad range of middle
class issues, talk about this Paul Ryan budget that is going to increase
subsidies to the biggest oil companies on earth, but decrease federal
support for students who want to go collage. Decrease support for seniors,
decrease the Medicare benefit, those are the issues that the American
people want us to address and they want our solutions on those issues.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, if we`re on the chalkboard, what do the numbers look
like right now? Defend so many seats and competitive and others. You feel
comfortable about how many?

ISRAEL: We need 17 seats to take back the House and stand up for the
middle class. We`ll have between 50 and 55 Republicans districts in play.
We`re going to defend about 20 to 25 Democrats. Too early to say where
we`re going to land. We`re building out an infrastructure that will take
us through November.

SCHULTZ: All right. Congressman Steve Israel, always a pleasure, good to
have to have you with us tonight.

ISRAEL: Thank you Ed.

SCHULTZ: Thank you.

Coming up, Malaysian authorities believe Flight 370 crashed abruptly into
the Indian Ocean. We`ll have all the details coming up and developments

And later, numbers man Nate Silver predicts, Republicans have the upper
hand of the November Senate races? Really, you can predict that far out?
I know I should have predicted my basketball tournament seven months ago.
Once you`re forgetting the factor in, in these calculations, we`ll have it.

But next, I`m taking your questions, Ask Ed Live just ahead. We`re right
back on the Ed Show on MSNBC.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to Ed Show. Love the questions in our Ask Ed

Our first question tonight comes from Marlene, and she wants to know, "Do
you have any ideas for the Democrats that will help get people to vote in
the midterm elections?"

I think you have to appeal to folks` common sense. Going to take a lot
ground work and do a lot of door to door, a lot of town halls, that`s what
I would do. And I would talk about work. Do you think it`s important to
hire somebody that works at least as hard as you do at your job or maybe
two jobs? When it comes to work, this Congress hasn`t done any work.
They`ve been the laziest and the most least productive Congress ever.

Do you think they deserve the job? I would just hammer them on that. That
speaks to everybody`s sensibilities. We all have this feeling about work,
"Gosh, I`m working hard". You know, you can always out-prepare and out-
work your opponent no matter what the playing field is. These guys don`t
want to work at all. They want more days off. Boehner has been the
obstructor-in-chief. Do they deserve another shot? No.

Our next question is Pat, she wants to know, "Some corporations don`t want
to pay for birth control insurance for their employees. Will they provide
free baby-sitting services?"

No, they don`t want to provide anything.

Bottom line here is, this is all about discrimination. This is all about
telling working women in America, "Yeah, you get the job, you`re going to
work for less, and oh by the way we`re not going to cover your healthcare
needs." That`s what this is. It`s a bunch of hogwash. It`s dangerous
territory. I mean, they`re picking and choosing what laws that they want
to abide by. It`s election rejection is what it is. Big call by the
Supreme Court, but I think an easy one.

There`s a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. Stay tuned, we`ll be right

Market Wrap.

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Twitter shares dropped more than four percent, the company is removing its
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Tragic developments for the families of passengers on Flight 370.
Authorities in Malaysia now say that they believe the plane did in fact go
down abruptly in the Indian Ocean with no chance for survivors.

The Prime Minister of Malaysia announced this morning, there is new data
from the U.K.`s air accidents investigation branch.


NAJIB RAZAK, MALAYSIAN PRIME MINISTER: Using a type of analysis never
before used in an investigation of this sort. They have been able to shed
more light on MH370`s flight path. It is therefore with deep sadness and
regret that I must inform you that according to this new data, Flight MH370
ended in the Southern Indian Ocean.


SCHULTZ: Several ships are headed to the area where Australian search
crews spotted two objects that could potentially be debris from the
aircraft. The crews are using flares to mark the spots in the water. One
is described as an orange rectangular object, the other a gray or green
circular object. Authorities say that this is the most promising lead that
they`ve had since the search shifted to the Indian Ocean.

Joining me tonight Captain Keith Wolzinger, a Boeing 777 pilot on the civil
aviation team for the Spectrum Group, and also Kerry Walsh, Salvage Master
with Global Diving and Salvage. Gentlemen, great to have you with us

Pilot Wolzinger, does this narrow or increase the chances for mechanical
failure? How do you see it after today`s developments, the new data that
brought authorities to the conclusion that this was clearly the way this
flight ended?

really no new revelation. They`ve been searching this area for over a week
now since the satellite image was showing objects floating in the water in
this vicinity. It simply become a little bit more clarified that this is
definitely the area that they believe the airplane might be found.

It makes it less likely in my view that it`s a mechanical or some
structural problem with the aircraft because the aircraft would`ve flown
all the way from the Malaysia or Vietnam boarder all the way to the
Southern Indian Ocean. If the structure have been compromised in way it
would have been very difficult for the aircraft to have traveled that far.

SCHULTZ: So, you do not think it was mechanical failure or any kind of
electrical issue on the aircraft?

WOLZINGER: Well, I can`t rule that out and that can`t be ruled out
definitively until the airplane has been found and the recorders retrieved.


WOLZINGER: But and certainly at this point, it looks not like a likely

SCHULTZ: OK. How in the world could this aircraft have done this on its
own if the pilots were incapacitated? I mean, this is just amazing to me.

WOLZINGER: Well, it seems, you know, again the pilots may or may not have
been incapacitated as we`ve been saying all along, the pilots could`ve been
acting on their own, they could have been acting under duress by a third
party or the aircraft could have been commandeered by a third party,
someone who would have the technical knowledge and skills necessary to
operate the aircraft themselves without the crew. So, any of those
scenarios is plausible at this point.

SCHULTZ: Kerry Walsh, if the plane is in the Southern Indian Ocean, the
topography underwater, how much does that play into the difficulty of
retrieving the ever so important black boxes?

going to play a lot into the difficulty and the area they`re searching is
gigantic. And unless they`re able to get people on the water and actually
pick up a piece of that debris and firmly identify it as a piece of the
aircraft, that searcher is going to be just gigantic, covering a lot of
different topographies and different water depths.

SCHULTZ: What kind of Sonar technology would be used to find the debris
field and how wide can the cone go that would give images? What`s the
latest technology on that?

WALSH: Well, there`s several technology. Side-scan sonar would be the
first tool. Side-scan would be towed off the bottom by a ship traveling at
slow speed. The Sonar array would be given a beam pattern about less than
a kilometer wide, towing along about four knots and they would be looking
real time at the data, looking for anomalies on the bottom. If they were
to find something that struck their interest they would do multiple passes
over it to try to define what it is better.

The next step up in Sonar would be multi-beam, which again is a multi-pass
technology that provides a 3D image, out of a point cloud of Sonar -- Sonar

SCHULTZ: Kerry, is there a chance that since this is over two weeks now
that some of the debris that might be picked up at the ocean if that is the
case, if they get to the satellite images, I mean it could be hundreds of
miles away from where the debris field is, isn`t it? Could it be that way?

WALSH: Absolutely, and it`s a, you know, if we want to draw a comparison
to Air France, which I`ve heard a lot of people doing, you got to recall
that Air France when it went down they knew pretty much where the airplane
went down. They had a 40 mile -- square mile search area to start with.
And they found pieces of the plane on the surface within one day or
recovering pieces off the surface. It still took two years to recover --
locate, and recover the black boxes from that flight.

SCHULTZ: Wow. Kerry Walsh, tell us about the satellite images. It seems
like obviously the pictures that were getting released to the public versus
the ones that maybe highly secretive and sensitive. Do you think that the
way it was presented today by Malaysian officials that they know for sure
that there is debris that has been spotted from this aircraft?

WALSH: You know, that`s outside my area of expertise by a long shot. I
would assume based on everything that I`ve read and heard that they`re
using new satellite technology to track where the vessel was and then
looking in specific locations and it certainly sounds like objects that
they`re seeing could very well be from the plane.

SCHULTZ: Keith, your thoughts on that.

WOLZINGER: Well, the satellite images on those satellite or Sonar expert
that it could appear that the satellite imagery could be showing parts that
that could be of this aircraft. And -- but they`re a few days old now and
it`s uncertain whether those floats -- those objects floating in the ocean
there would still be visible on the surface or not.

SCHULTZ: From your knowledge of flying a 777, would it have enough fuel to
go this far?

WOLZINGER: Well, it depends on the fuel load when it departed and of
course it started toward the destination of Beijing and turned around and
went completely the opposite direction. Depending on the altitude that it
was flying at and I`ve heard various altitudes from 45,000 feet down to
5,000 feet that the airplane flew. If it changed altitudes quite
frequently, it may or may not have the ranged to go that distance.

But certainly if it spend most of the time at the higher altitudes the fuel
economy (ph) would allow that to -- so the airplane to get that far, sure.

SCHULTZ: All right. Capt. Keith Wolzinger and also Kerry Walsh, thanks
for your time tonight, I appreciate it so much.

Coming up, Nate Silver`s predictions for the midterm elections. Why they
could be as wrong as NCAA bracket picks?


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, moon man. Newt Gingrich, the failed
presidential candidate who wanted to set up a base on the moon is up on
arms about another domain, this time it`s the Internet.

The United States Department of Commerce announced that it will now share
responsibility for Internet domain names with the global community.
Gingrich of course rush to Twitter to blast the move saying, "Every
American should worry about Obama giving up control of the Internet. This
is very, very dangerous.

Guess what? Obama doesn`t control the Internet. I`m pretty sure that
Ellen DeGeneres does.


this but I was aiming to break your record of retweets and I apologize for
doing it. But I broke your retweet record.

about that. I thought it was a pretty cheap stunt myself.

DEGENERES: Yeah, right.

OBAMA: Getting a bunch of celebrities .


OBAMA: .in the background.

DEGENERES: Well, so, look, .

OBAMA: Yeah.

DEGENERES: . I tried -- that`s the only thing I could ...

OBAMA: You`re feeding them pizza.


OBAMA: Yeah.


SCHULTZ: Well, in reality no one person or country controls the Internet.
The United States` government move will make the web more open and free.

If Newt Gingrich believes he can scare up a scandal, he can keep on


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work.

ESPN bracket guy Nate Silver, a bold prediction in favor of Republicans.
Silver and his new website delivered the forecast.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Republican needs six seats. What`s the projection?
How many are they going to pick up?

six but it`s probably six plus or minus five. That means it could be .

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And we could pick up 11 seats?

SILVER: They could, yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What you`re basically saying is a 60 percent chance
that Republicans win the Senate?

SILVER: Something like that.


SCHULTZ: Something like that. I don`t who`s going to win. There are 36
Senate races in 2014.

Silver says Republicans are heavily favored to take four seats now held by
Democrats. Arkansas, West Virginia, South Dakota and Montana. He says an
additional four seats held by Democrats are toss-ups like Louisiana, North
Carolina, Alaska and Michigan. He predicted only two seats currently held
with the GOP in Kentucky and Georgia are possible Democratic pick-ups. I
disagree with that.

You may recall Silver inaccurately predicted the 2010 midterms and
forecasted a 62 percent chance Republicans would claim the majority in
August of 2012. Those raises brought some of the most notorious gaps from
the GOP Senate hopefuls.


SHARON ANGLE, (R) FMR NEVADA ASSEMBLY: As your U.S. senator, I`m not in
the business of creating jobs.

FMR REP. TODO AKIN, (R) MISSOURI: If it`s a legitimate rape, the female
body has ways to try shut that whole thing down. But let assume that may
that didn`t work or something.

CHRISTINE O`DONNELL, (R) DELAWARE: I`m not a witch. I`m nothing you
heard. I`m you.

O`DONNELL: I`m not a witch. I`m nothing you`ve heard. I`m you.


SCHULTZ: Nate Silver`s calculations are based on math and polling but his
predictions don`t calculate whether the Republican base has control to the
party. And just what kind of candidates they`re going to come up with and
that they`ll make no mistakes between now and November.

Bob Shrum, Democratic Strategist and professor at NYU joins us tonight.
Bob, good to have you with us.

Well, Silver says NCAA March Madness predictions are flawed, how can we
trust him on this one?

BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Well, I think this is way to early and
he`s way to deterministic although I`d given the benefit of the doubt and I
suspect that two or three months from now, in fact I know that two or three
months from now, he`ll have a different prediction.

Look, his reputation rest on the fact that he not only got the presidential
race right in 2012, he got the battle ground states right.

Now, a number of other folks did that as well but without the benefit of
his secret sauce. As you pointed out, he got the Senate wrong that year
said there was a 61 percent chance Republicans would take it. There are 55
Democrats in the Senate.

So I think we have to say that there are a number of factors out there that
are going to help decided this and we don`t know where they`re going to go
yet. Our people for example going to perceive that the economy`s getting
better. It is but it`s not going to become something that affects the
public mood. Are people going to believe that? That will affect the

As you just pointed out, who the Republicans nominate in these primaries
will affect the midterms. And as you argued earlier in this show and I
think you`re absolutely right, if Democrats go out there and fight on
Obamacare, hold these Republicans responsible for wanting to deny coverage
for pre-existing conditions or let insurance companies cut-off coverage
when people get sick then you`re going to have a midterm election that`s
going to help Democrats where Democrats conceivably could gain seats.

SCHULTZ: Well, he says that there`s a 30 percent chance the Republican
Party could win big. What`s your response to that? I mean, seven months
out predicting there`s a chance that someone could win big a party?

SHRUM: Well, I think it`s almost tautological that obviously there`s a
chance the Republicans could win big. There`s also a chance the Democrats
could gain some real seats in the House and the Democrats could hold their
own or do well in the Senate.

Look, if you look at the numbers, the financial numbers for example, Steve
Israel who was on the show earlier that Nancy Pelosi have done a
spectacular job in the House of raising money, out raising the Republican`s
raising record amounts. The same thing is happening with Democrats in the

So I think that to draw these conclusions at this point probably get you a
lot of airtime, we`re all fascinated by horserace coverage but it doesn`t
tell us much about what`s really going to happen.

SCHULTZ: Well, it looks like Guy Cecil, Executive Director of the
Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee responded to Silver`s prediction
saying, "In August of 2012 Silver forecasted a 61 percent likelihood that
Republicans would pick up enough seats to claim the majority. Three months
later, Democrats went on to win 55 seats."

How much weight should be put on Silver`s math at this point? I understand
you say not too much right now. But I guess the way I look at it is that
how can we predict anything seven months out because you still have a lot
of Obamacare numbers, you still have the economy a long way to go between
now and then but we have such an unusual political time in America of
obstruction. It`s almost hard to predict exactly what is going to motivate
voters one way or another.

SHRUM: Well, and that`s why Silver has a moving model and if something
changes he`ll come out with a different prediction.

I think what`s interesting about all of this is the attention that it gets
seven months out. We`re just fascinated with knowing what happens before
it happens. Now, we could just call off the NCAA tournament and say,
"Look, Nate Silver told us who was going to win, so let`s crown the winner
now except we probably get the wrong result."

In fact, we know that in some cases in the bracket, we would certainly get
the wrong result and I think the same thing is true here. Look, Heidi
Heitkamp from your state of North Dakota, Nate Silver wrote her off in
2012. She`s now serving in the United States Senate.

So these numbers give the illusion of certitude. There is no certitude

SCHULTZ: And with Moral Monday going on down in North Carolina and the
voter pushback on the voter suppression that`s taken place, I think that`s
hard to calculate what`s going to motivate people to come out. I mean, it
would seem to me that that would be a real motivator and North Carolina
might not be as vulnerable. And of course, you have these super PACs in
there that can make things happen.

SHRUM: Well, we saw that in 2012, you know. The voter suppression in
Florida, the efforts of voter suppression backfired .


SHRUM: . that people stood in line for hours to vote. I wouldn`t write
Kay Hagan off and I .


SHRUM: . look at the polls in North Carolina. I mean, I think she`s in a
position to win this. I wouldn`t write prior auth in Arkansas. I think
he`s in a position to win.

SCHULTZ: OK. Bob Shrum, great to have you with us always. Thank you so

SHRUM: Great. Thanks, Ed.

SCHULTZ: That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,


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