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PoliticsNation, Thursday, April 24, 2014

Date: April 24, 2014

Guests: Dana Milbank, Brian Schweitzer, Ryan Grim, Angela Rye, Jimmy

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Ed. And thanks to you
for tuning in.

Tonight`s lead, a lawless hero on the right shows his true colors and sends
a party scrambling for cover. In a moment, we`ll show you the truly
offensive comments that have GOP politicians and pundits embarrassed and
nervous tonight.

But first, who is this man who has become a hero to conservatives. Meet
Cliven Bundy. The 68-year-old Nevada cattle rancher who spent the last 20
years breaking federal law, his ranch is in Bunkerville, Nevada, about 80
miles northeast of Las Vegas. Since 1993, he has allowed his cat toll
graze on protected land. And he has refused to pay grazing fees. And why?


CLIVEN BUNDY, RANCHER: I think this is a solemn state of Nevada. And I`m
a citizen and we operate within this state. We run cattle here, graze this
naturally off this public land, and I abide by all of Nevada state laws.
But I don`t recognize the United States government as even existing.


SHARPTON: He doesn`t think the U.S. government exists. He doesn`t think
it exists at all. He doesn`t recognize the U.S. government. Earlier this
month, the federal ranges tried to impound his cattle. But Bundy and
supporters, including armed militia members, confronted them. Nearly
16,000 ranchers pay grazing fees. But Bundy, he thinks he`s above the law.

So clearly this guy is extreme and clearly he could be a problem. But to
an extreme right wing obsessed with attacking the government and calling
President Obama a dictator, Clive Bundy was just too irresistible. So they
went in whole hog.

Senator Rand Paul supported him saying it`s an issue of government
overreach. Governor Rick Perry saying, the bigger issue is the federal
government putting citizens in the position of having to feel like they
have to use force. And Nevada senator Dean Heller called Bundy and his
supporters patriots. And then came the shameful trumpeting from right wing


SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS ANCHOR: I`m not a rancher, but I would think the
federal government might be thankful because your are cutting a lawn for
free and they`re charging huge amounts of money, right, to let you cut a
graze there with these fees?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: These are folks that live in Nevada. These are good
hard-working Americans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So your bottom line like Paul Revere, you`re making
your stand, you are telling folks, we`re being overrun by an out of control

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It shows you the attitude of the federal government
today and it shows the resistance of patriotic Americans.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is an assault on our way of life.

HANNITY: I don`t apologize for pointing out governor overreach.


SHARPTON: But today, these comments from Bundy surfaced.


BUNDY: I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro. When I
go -- went -- go through Las Vegas, north Las Vegas, and I would see these
little government houses, and in front of that government house the door
was usually open, and the older people and the kids and there`s always at
least half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn`t have nothing
to do. They didn`t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn`t have
nothing for their young girls to do.

And because they were basically own government subsidy, so now what do they
do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail,
because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I often wondered, were
they better off as slaves picking cotton, having a family life and doing
things, or are they better off under government subsidy.


BUNDY: Yes. They didn`t get more freedom. They got less freedom.


SHARPTON: Their hero saying African-Americans may have been better off as
slaves? Really shocking words. Everyone rushed to denounce these comments
and now that`s good. They should.

But here`s what the GOP should have denounced and have not denounced, a man
breaking the law. And they haven`t denounced Bundy`s radical anti-
government philosophy. It`s past time for Republicans to show a united
front. Not only against his ugly comments on race, but also against his
contempt for the law.

Joining me now are former Montana governor Brian Schweitzer and Dana

Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Governor, let me go to your first. Have you ever heard of
elected officials encouraging people to break the law?

SCHWEITZER: Well, not law abiding elected officials. This is all very
silly. This guy is a welfare cowboys. He`s already getting a subsidy
allowing him to graze his cattle, a few of his cattle for $1.35 a month
when all of us private rancher, 99.5 percent of the cattle raised in
America, pay somewhere between $20 and $65.

I get a kick out of all these FOX guys. You know, they invited this skunk
right into their tea party and now they can`t get the smell off fast
enough. Listen, this guy Bundy, he took a bunch of people in, including
those thousands people that brought guns, thought they were defending some
kind of a law-abiding citizens. They`re not.

This is a skunk at a tea party. And I tell you, this guy, Senator Paul and
Senator Cruz and FOX News, they can`t get that small off fast enough. I
recommend they get 10 gallons of tomato juice and some vinegar and take a
bath. That`s we do in with in the west when we`re hit by a skunk.

SHARPTON: But Governor, this is nearly not silly as much as it is
obnoxious. And it is really speaking to the heart of this far right notion
of disregarding and disrespecting the national government. And I know a
lot of people want to just major and his obvious racist statements. And
they`re being denounced. But they want to dock on the central thing of
what he`s doing, and that is rebelling against the national government and
breaking the law with their encouragement and condoning of it.

SCHWEITZER: Well, he`s giving a bad name to everybody in the west that
uses these federal resources. There are miners, there are loggers, there
are ranchers, and farmers, and people who use federal water.

We pay our bills. There is a deal, a contract that`s made between a
private business person and the federal government and we follow the rules.
These outliers like this they give a black eye to the responsible
businessmen in the west. There aren`t any ranchers standing beside this
guys. These are a bunch of kooks that have come from other states.

SHARPTON: You know, Dana, let me go to you. And I trust you don`t have a
skunk with you. But --

MILBANK: You don`t know that for sure, Reverend.

SHARPTON: I don`t. But back in September, Cliven Bundy`s wife told a Las
Vegas "SUN" quote "I`ve got a shotgun. It`s loaded and I know how to use
it. We`re ready to do what we have to do. But we would rather win this in
the court of public opinion. "

Can you imagine people talking like that being supporting by people that
elected sometime that running for president?

MILBANK: Yes. Right. I think the court of public opinion has rendered
its verdict right now. And that`s why you see this stampede suddenly away
from this cattle rancher. And as you said, that`s a good thing to see.
But these people should not have been surprised by this racist outburst
today. We didn`t know what was in Bundy`s heart until he actually said it.
But this movement, the anti-government movement, has been inextricably tied
to racist movement for a long period of time.

You know, Dean Heller, the United States senator from Nevada was praising
his patriots, the supporters out there. Well, one of the leaders of these
patriots has been running around, apparently with a meg phone, calling the
president of the United States a half breed.

So surely they`re not surprised to find out a week or two later, that these
are the beliefs of the fellow there. One of the reasons why there is this
opposition to federal authority is because guess what? It has been the
federal government that has protected the rights of minorities. It also
tends to be the ones who enforced the income tax. So these two threats
have been very much intertwined over time. So it is not all surprising
this happened.

SHARPTON: Governor, Harry Reid, the other senator from Nevada responded
today saying quote "it is the height of irresponsibility for any individual
or entity in a position of power or influence to glorify or romanticize
such a dangerous individual. And anyone who has done so should come to
their senses and immediately condemn Bundy for their part, the National
Republican leaders could help show a united front against this kind of
hateful, dangerous extremism by publicly condemning Bundy.

Will more Republicans distance themselves from Bundy? The whole Bundy
government that you and I are talking about, not just what it sees the in
terms of this racist remarks.

SCHWEITZER: Well, they are running as fast as they can right now. But the
facts still remains like you said, Reverend. Now, we know he that he makes
these racist statements, and probably has those ideas in his heart and his
head, but they were supporting people who were willing to point their guns
at federal officers in support of a guy who`s been in the courts for 25
years and losing every time.

I understand, you need to have address with government. But when you lose
the case, you lose the case and pay your bills. Clive Bundy apparently and
his supporters think they can intimidate the United States of America at
the point of a gun. There will be a day of reckoning for both Clive Bundy
and his supporters who have fallen into this trap.

SHARPTON: Now, when you go through the whole breakdown of what the he just
said, with governor just said, Dana, this was fought in the courts. Bundy
hasn`t paid grazing fees since 1993. Last August, a court gives him 45
days to remove his cattle from federal land. In October, the judge tells
him not to interfere with impoundment and finally this month, officials
start rounding up the battle. They fought in the court and they knew this
was coming. But listen to what one of Bundy`s supporters said they have


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were actually strategizing to put all the women up
in front. If they`re going to start shooting, it will be women that are
going to be televised all over the world that will be shot by these rogue
federal officers.


SHARPTON: So, after going through all the courts, after losing, after
going through all of this, they planned a standoff with federal officers
and uh said they would put women up front. These are the kind of people
that these elected officials, some of them talking about running for
president, were supporting.

MILBANK: And that`s exactly the point, the last thing you said there,
Reverend. Because look, there have been strains of extremists throughout
our history. What`s been unique about this is the support these guys are
getting from Rand Paul, from Rick Perry, from Dean Heller to some extent
from the Nevada`s governor, Brian Sandoval.

This is an entirely different thing. And what part of what`s happened here
is the conservatives in politics that actually co-opted some of the ideas
of these extremist movements, this is what has changed fundamentally here.
And I think a lot of these Republicans who have egg on their face today are
realizing is that when you play footsie with these extremist movement to
try to borrow some of their energy, you can wind up in this sort of

SHARPTON: And Governor, you know that culture out west. You know ranchers
well. This is not a ranchers thing. This is an anti-governor thing. And
it`s a hypocrisy thing to run for government, run to be the president of
the union and support people that are trying to destroy and disobey the
union and say I don`t recognize it at all. I only recognize the state law
by Nevada.

SCHWEITZER: Listen. I`m a third generation rancher here in Montana. And
when Clive Bundy says he only recognizes the state of Nevada, not the
federal government, well the state of Nevada actually has some land and
they lease it to people to put cattle on. They charges $12 per animal unit
per month. So one cow, one calf is $12 if he wants to pay Nevada. It`s
only $1.35 when he was paying the federal government and he refused to pay

This guy is grifter (ph), he is a welfare cowboy, and he deserves to pay
that fine and those cattle now belong to the U.S. government because he`s
not willing to pay. There`s a lien on those cattle and that`s what a
civilized society does to settle to resolve our differences.

SHARPTON: Governor Brian Schweitzer and Dana Milbank, thank you both for
your time tonight.

MILBANK: Thanks, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, President Obama and a robot. They were having a lot
of fun in Japan and then came the short circuits. Yes, this is what the
attacks have come to. The president bowing to a robot.

Plus, a group bank rolled by the billionaire Koch brothers is back,
tracking after an error in its latest ad. But it`s not what you`re

And later, this --


JON STEWART, COMEDIAN: I`m obsessed in your program in the same way I`m
obsessed antibiotic resistance super bags or the pacific garbage patch or
the KFC double down.


SHARPTON: Jon Stewart unloads on Sean Hannity`s obsession with the lawless
Nevada rancher. A powerful right winger.


SHARPTON: A powerful right-wing group backed by the billionaire Koch
brothers is apologizing today for an unfortunate oversight. But there`s a
lot more to apologize for. The affordable care act deception revealed


SHARPTON: Now to a trail of deception from a powerful right-wing group.
This new ad running in Colorado is from American for Prosperity, a group
backed by the billionaire Koch brothers and it features a photograph of
President Obama and Democratic senator Mark Udall looking sad together. In
fact, that photo was actually taken at a hospital after the Aurora movie
theatre shooting two years ago. Families of the victims were outraged that
a group replaced the photo calling it an unfortunate oversight.

But a bigger problem is nonstop deception from this group. Today, "the
Washington Post" fact checker gave the Colorado ad two Pinnochios for
misleading claims and as part of a long pattern of mistruths. But despite
all the deception, it`s not working.

New polling shows support, even from red states. Southerners may not like
Obamacare, but they also don`t want to repeal it. So what happens now?
What comes next from the far right groups?

Joining me now is David Corn, Washington bureau chief for "Mother Jones."
Thank you for being here.

DAVID CORN, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Good to be with you tonight.

SHARPTON: David, what do you think is behind this deception?

CORN: You know, they are just going to keep pounding the Obamacare drum
until it is raw and bloody up until Election Day. I mean, it doesn`t
matter what the facts are. It doesn`t matter even what the polling shows
to a large degree.

Their base takes it as a theological article of faith that Obamacare is
going to destroy the nation, and they`re just going to keep playing that
over and over again because that`s really in a lot of ways the only thing
the Republicans have to run on.

SHARPTON: Well, aside from it being politically unpopular now, as polls
are saying, I`m dealing with the fact that if you really believe in
something, and you and I certainly have strong beliefs in and try to
demonstrate that, why do you need deception to sell it? Because it`s not
just Colorado that has the misleading ads.

In New Hampshire, this ad says health care premiums would go up 90 percent.
But 90 percent statistics is worthy of about three or four Pinnochios.

In Michigan, this ad claims 225,000 people`s plans will be canceled again.
Two Pinnochios from the fact checker. Why do you have to lie if it is
something you really believe in and want to take a principled stand?

CORN: Well, I think because Obamacare is delivering on a lot of the
promises the president made. They have promise and there are problems with
it, and it may take five, 10, 15 years before everything totally shakes
out. By right now, if you look at preexisting conditions, if you look
where premiums are, where health care costs are, you know, there are much
more aligned what the president said and what people hope for would come
out of this.

So, they -- you know, they try to either cherry pick horror stories, many
of which end up not being true when you actually look at them. And they`re
coming up with these factoids that are false or misleading or that don`t
tell the full picture because again, I go back to my early point, I don`t
think they feel like they have a lot to run on in terms of getting
Republicans elected. They want to scare people. They`ve been scaring them
on Obamacare. They`re going to continue to do that. So that 90 percent,
you know, stat that you cited, the premiums went up in New Hampshire by 90
percent. I think that came from an anonymous source in one survey. It`s

SHARPTON: But what is also striking is the kind of support they`re
getting. For example in mid April, about 200 days before the actual
election, Americans for prosperity has spent more money than the major
party campaign committees have for the entire year $35 million. That means
that Democrats are effectively facing two rival parties, Republicans and
the Koch`s Americans for Prosperity.

CORN: You know, the Koch brothers and others like them, it is not just the
Kochs, are committed. They`re committed to winning or buying the U.S.
Senate. So it is just not Obamacare, I don`t think they expect Obamacare
to be repealed, but they don`t want environment regulations, they don`t
want anyone going after the tax breaks that their oil related companies

And so, they`re using Obamacare as the point of the spear so to speak. But
there`s a lot at stake and they`re willing to spend anything. And now we
see, they`re willing to say anything to try to win. And, you know, it`s
going to be like if for the next few months. Get used to this.

SHARPTON: David Corn, thanks for your time tonight.

CORN: Thank you.

SHARPTON: And we contacted Americans for Prosperity for comment and they
did not get back to us.

Coming up, President Obama in Japan this morning having fun with a robot.
But they managed to attack him for it. You`ve got to see this one.

And it takes --



SHARPTON: What happens when the biggest fan of that lawless rancher picks
a fight with the comedian? He winds up looking like a joke. Watch.


STEWART: So the founding fathers called the constitutional convention to
form a much stronger federal government that could collect taxes by force
if necessary which I guess makes you, Sean Hannity, not an American patriot
but an anti-federalist, or to be kind, let`s just say you love the founding
father, but only their early work before they sold out and became the man,
or men, or white property owning men.


SHARPTON: More on that epic takedown coming up.


SHARPTON: President Obama today found a moment on his Asia trip to visit a
science video in Tokyo. One of the big highlights, meeting Japan`s famous
robot Asimo. The little guy showed off his dance moves and he showed some
serious athletic skills.


ROBOT: I can kick a soccer ball, too.



Oh, he`s going to kick it there.

Yes, come on, let`s see it. It`s going to be pretty hard, huh? If it hits
me in the nose, it will be terrible. OK, come on, I`m ready. Right here.

ROBOT: Here I go.

OBAMA: Hey, good job. Excellent.


SHARPTON: That`s one impressive robot. But it`s not just for kicks. It`s
all in the service of human kind.


ROBOT: I have been training every day so that some day in the future I can
help people in their homes. It was pleasure meeting you, Mr. President.
Enjoy the rest of your trip.


SHARPTON: Robot diplomacy, who knew. But you have to see how the right
wing spun the fun. Look at this. This is an actual headline today on the
Drudge Report. U.S. president bows to Japanese robot. And on another
right one site. United States President Barack Obama bows to Japanese
robot. A New York tabloid, Obama bows to robot in Japan. Finds it scary.
This is how far they go to attack the President. Hilarious. But it
highlights a serious issue. A long history of attacking President Obama on
foreign soil. Calling him weak for bowing.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: This president seems quite willing to embrace weakness
as a position to the United States. I mean, the bowing and scraping that
we see.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: American leaders do not bow to leaders of other

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: And that`s a deep bow, too.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: What do you make of bow gate?

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: It`s not appropriate for an American president to bow to
a foreign land.

GLENN BECK, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: You see him with the premier of China
and he`s bowing and his eyes are down. There`s something wrong here.

RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Obama envies these monarchs. Obama
wants to be bowed to someday.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: They bow to the emperor of Japan. I just don`t get it.
But again it`s --

SEAN HANNITY, FOX NEWS HOST: I don`t argue that they`re bowing at the
altar of socialism.


SHARPTON: That`s what I call artificial intelligence. President Obama is
on the world stage, fighting for American interests, but instead of
supporting him, they short circuited and launched another ridiculous
attack. Joining me now are Ryan Grim and Krystal Ball. Thanks for joining

KRYSTAL BALL, MSNBC CO-HOST, "THE CYCLE": Thanks for having me, Reverend.

RYAN GRIM, HUFFINGTON POST: Thanks for having me.

SHARPTON: Krystal, are they serious? I mean, bowing to a Japanese robot,
what does this tell you about the far right and President Obama? And you
know you`re going to be attacked for bowing tonight. But I looked the
other way. But I mean, what does this tell us in all seriousness?

BALL: It`s so absurd that part of me wants to laugh and part of me wants
to cry. I mean, there is nothing that is too far. Right? They criticize
his vacations. They criticize his genes. They criticize him showing
respect to other foreign dignitaries. I mean, that`s what we`re talking

SHARPTON: But a robot. It`s not even a foreign head of state.

BALL: Yes. Showing respect to any being, right? Showing any level of
politeness here. And that`s what`s really absurd. For the right, it`s not
acceptable to be anything other than the big macho man and they confuse
sort of action and swagger for intelligence and bravery and courage.
Sometime it`s much more courageous to be thoughtful, to be contemplative,
to be respectful of people in foreign lands.

SHARPTON: Well, you know, Ryan, the President has been dealing with
serious foreign policy issues the last couple of weeks. And probably the
last month or so. And conservatives as you have used this opportunity, to
attack him as weak. Listen to this.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Every time the President goes on
to national television and threatens Putin or anyone like Putin,
everybody`s eyes role, including mine. We have a weak and indecisive
president that invites ingression.

SARAH PALIN, FORMER VP CANDIDATE: Obama, the perception of him and his
potency across the world is one of such weakness.

REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R), MINNESOTA: As the President`s path is
smothering the American dream here at home and projecting weakness abroad.

GOV. BOBBY JINDAL (R), LOUISIANA: The President doesn`t understand that a
weak America leads to instability.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Let`s face it. Obama whether deservedly or not does
have a -- I`ll say it crudely, but a manhood problem in the Middle East.
Is he tough enough to stand up to somebody like Assad or Putin?


SHARPTON: I mean, you`re talking about a president that did take out Mr.
Bin Laden. You`re talking about a President who has shown strength. But
if the bigger issue I`m racing here is, doesn`t it undermine the interests
of this country to try and label this President as weak when he`s dealing
with some very sensitive and serious issues? And is on foreign land?

GRIM: Sure. You would think that that somebody that doesn`t understand
how our political system has evolved might be emboldened by that. And, you
know, this entire idea of using force to project power broadly kind of
flows from this kind of neo-conservative idea that was actually tested.
You know, Republicans in the early 2000 said, look, one reason we need to
attack Iraq because it will show that we`re tough and then other people
across the globe will bow to us. In other words, they say if we attack
Iraq, North Korea will recognize that we mean business.

Iran will recognize that we mean business. Russia will see we mean
business. What happened? You know, North Korea went and got a nuclear
weapon. Iran kept pursuing its nuclear weapons. Russia invaded Georgia.
The Taliban came back in Afghanistan. So we did exactly what Cheney and
Karl Rove, Bush and those guys said would project power and would scare the
rest of the world. But, you know, unsurprisingly to rational people,
that`s not how the world works. You know, they don`t shiver when they see
the United States, you know, bombing one country and say oh, obviously they
have bombs and they`re going to bomb us next. It`s just silly.

SHARPTON: You know, Krystal, they call the President weak and then they
call him lawless. I mean, listen to this.


LIMBAUGH: This is Stalinism. This is sheer brazen lawlessness.

made of. This is what autocrats are made of.

BECK: He has all the earmarks of a Marxist dictator. He does. He doesn`t
like anybody to challenge him.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We did not elect a dictator. We elected a president.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I`m afraid that President Obama may have this king
complex sort of developing.


SHARPTON: Which is it? I mean, it`s mind boggling.

BALL: Well, they have been consistent in one thing, which is to be
incredibly inconsistent. I mean I remember at the beginning of his
presidency, when he was appointing people to oversee various parts of his
administration, they were being called czars. And it pick up on that. And
said, you know, he`s a dictator. He`s forcing all our policies down our
throats. He wants to fundamentally transform America. Health care was
shoved down our throats. And in other areas, he`s so weak, he`s so
indecisive, he doesn`t know what to do.

And it`s not that they`re separating, you know, the domestic from the
international, because even in the domestic arena, they`ve also at times
said well, if the president would just take charge, than we can get through
this gridlock. So, consistency is no problem for them. They will just
attack him in any way that feels convenient at that moment.

SHARPTON: Well, I`m going to have to leave it there. Ryan Grim and
Krystal Ball, thank you for your time tonight.

BALL: Thanks, Rev.

GRIM: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Be sure to catch Krystal on "THE CYCLE" weekdays at 3:00 p.m.
Eastern right here on MSNBC.

Coming up. What happens when the right wing heroes turn out to be zeros?
We`ll show you what happens. And it`s the feud everyone is talking about.
Jon Stewart unloading on Sean Hannity`s love for the lawless rancher.
That`s next.


SHARPTON: What happens when right wing media heroes turn bad? Lawless
rancher Cliven Bundy is just the latest hero on the right. And he`s had no
bigger champion than FOX News` Sean Hannity.


HANNITY: We have rapist and murderers and bank robbers and pedophiles out
there and they have 200 agents, you know, surrounding your ranch because
your cows are eating grass on land that they don`t even want or need and
that you`re arguing isn`t even theirs. Armed federal agents and snipers
began impounding his cattle all because they`re grazing on public lands and
eating public crafts. Is this the government`s new tactic if they owe them
money or they believe you owe them money, that they`re going to surround
your home, send in armed agents and snipers and take your property at gun
point? That`s the question here in my mind.


SHARPTON: Supporting a guy breaking the law. Well, the daily show Jon
Stewart had some fun with this one earlier this week.


JON STEWART, STAND-UP COMEDIAN: It seems like something about this Bundy
feller is blinding Hannity to all the things that would normally drive
Hannity mad with range. Is it the hat? Because we could give him a
different hat. And you know what, give him a different hair style. And a
new shirt and a pair of devil sticks. Oh, no! He`s an occupy Wall Street
protester, trespassing land that doesn`t belong to him! You need him Sean.

HANNITY: -- protester in the day, and then you go home at night and take
your shower. Why do they have to take over a park and sleep on the street?

STEWART: Now, that`s how you talk to a trespasser, who votes differently
than you. How out there is Hannity on this issue?

BECK: I have cattle and I have people that graze on my land. Grazing fees
are normal, and you stopped paying them. There are some people that would
say that you are, and if I may quote, "a welfare rancher."

STEWART: Sean Hannity has now made Glenn Beck the voice of reason.


SHARPTON: Hannity came back calling Stewart a hack and saying Stewart was
obsessed with his show. And how did that work out for Mr. Hannity?


STEWART: I am obsessed with your program. You can say true things. I`m
obsessed with your programs in the same way that I`m obsessed with anti-
biotic resistance super bags or the pacific garbage patch, or the KFC
double down. Because I just can`t believe that in this day and age with
all that we know that this (bleep) is out there.


That humanity, that humanity, that our society is still weighed down by
these burdens of a seemingly more medieval time, like your show. To see it
night after night serving up the same (bleep), my God, you`re the Arby`s of


SHARPTON: This is what happens when you take on a fight with a comedian.
You wind up looking like a joke. Joining me now are Angela Rye and Jimmy
Williams. Angela, is it ever a good idea to fight with a comedian?

ANGELA RYE, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: It`s not, particularly when this is
really no laughing matter. I`m hard pressed to understand why at this
point, FOX News has given almost five hours of air time according to Media
Matters to this story. I`m also hard pressed to understand why Sean
Hannity can remain on air after defending this. I know today he is
retracting quite a bit saying that the comments made by Cliven Bundy are
despicable, but there`s a deeper issue here. Part of this is, the fact
that if you think about this situation Rev and you really evaluate what
would happen if the roles were simply reversed, what would happen if Cliven
Bundy was a black man or Latino man or an Asian man? He would be under the
jail. So, this is really not a joke at all.

SHARPTON: Well, Jimmy, if he was on the other side, go to the point that
Jon Stewart was making. If he was white on the other side of the political
spectrum, would they be defending him? Because the issue here, I agree, I
give them credit for denouncing his racial statement, but what made this
man a national story is he stood up and broke the law and challenged the
federal government`s existence and said, I will do Nevada law. That`s what
made this man known. And they have skirted that issue.

JIMMY WILLIAMS, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: So, here`s my biggest problems.
Cliven Bundy whatever his name is, today he addressed the -- yesterday he
addressed the throngs of Tea Partiers that were there and he said, welcome
fellow Americans and then he had an American flag behind him, but he
doesn`t recognize the American government. He only represents recognizes
the state of Nevada`s government and his county sheriff`s authority. So I
don`t think you can have it both ways. I mean, this is sort of -- I bet
he`s against burning the American flag. I bet he is.

I don`t know. Because I don`t know Mr. Bundy. But here`s my bigger
problem with Mr. Bundy. It`s not that he`s a racist, it`s that he actually
said the thing that he said and now his backtrack is actually even more
pathetic than what he said. What`s worse on top of all this, is that all
these Republicans that just yesterday were defending this moocher, this
taker from the American people, they`re now running like cockroaches. Over
in this building behind me, out in Nevada, all across the country,
Republicans -- and FOX News, they are absolutely running from this guy.
But yesterday they were fine with him. I would just like to know what the
differences? Oh, I know. He took off his cape and showed his true self.

SHARPTON: And Angela, this is not the first and only case. Because before
Cliven Bundy, Duck Dynasty`s Phil Robinson was the big hero. You remember
Robertson made some derogatory comments about gays and told GQ magazine,
quote, "I never with my eyes saw the mistreatment of any black person. I
hold cotton with them. I`m with the blacks because we`re white trash.
We`re going across the field. They`re singing and happy, pre-entitlement,
pre-welfare. You say were they happy? They were godly. They were happy."
Many on the right denounced it. But many also stood up for Robinson.


LIMBAUGH: Who is being discriminated against here except Phil Robertson?
Who just lost a job because of his religious beliefs? Phil Robertson.

PALIN: He was quoting the gospel, so people who were so insulted and
offended by what he said evidently are offended by what he was quoting in
the gospel.

BECK: We would like you at "The Blaze." We`re not ashamed, we won`t fold,
"Duck Dynasty," we would be proud to have you.


SHARPTON: So, is Ted Nugent, is Phil Robinson, now it`s Bundy. It keeps
happening to them and clearly they will not deal with the underlying
philosophy of policy of government that they all are advocating. And that
is they do not respect a strong central national government, particularly
under this president.

WILLIAMS: Yes, look, this is simple. Either you love your government or
you don`t. I mean, you don`t have to like them, but you have to love being
an American. Every July 4th, what do we do? We pack a picnic basket, we
got down, blah, blah, blah, we celebrate America. OK. Does Cliven Bundy
do that? I would hope he does. Because I love America too. But I don`t
hate my government. I don`t think my government is out to get me. I don`t
believe there are any black helicopters.

Do I think the government spies on us? All right. Fine. If that keeps us
free from terror, that`s fine with me. But I don`t hate my government. I
was taught to love my country. And the essential backbone of our country
as a democratic republic, and if he can`t handle that, then I`m sure that
we can find someone to give him a one way ticket where he could go live in
a place where he can graze his cattle off the government back. That would
be perfectly fine for me.

SHARPTON: And I think the thing that is most disturbing to me is at the
same time, you and I agreed the attacks on the government, are the real,
real egregious act here, and he`s saying this openly, is that he`s getting
supported by people that want to run to head the government he says he
doesn`t recognize, Jimmy.

WILLIAMS: That`s exactly right, yes. Look, here`s the thing. I grew up
in the south and you know this Reverend Al. I grew up in South Carolina.
I grew up in a family where people used bad words. My father was an awful
bigot, God rest his soul. My grandmother was not the most progressive
woman in the world. But when I came out of the closet, it occurred to me,
if I`m going to sit around with a heart full of hate towards black people
or Latinos and as a gay man I`m being discriminated against? I might want
to get rid of that hatred.

Because at the end of the day, we`re all just Americans and we all want to
live in this greatest country on this earth. I think Cliven Bundy wants to
live on the greatest country on this earth. But he`s breaking the law and
it has nothing to do with whether he`s a white man or black man or what it
is. He`s breaking the law. He shows his bigoted side, he`s still breaking
the law and he should be held accountable on what he`s doing. That`s the
bottom-line here.

SHARPTON: And for break, and what he is doing is continuing in breaking
the law, but what is more disturbing to me, he has the right to do what he
wants and pay a price for it.


SHARPTON: It`s how could those who want to be the president of the United
States support someone, justify someone that says he doesn`t recognize the
government of the United States.

WILLIAMS: That`s right. That`s exactly right, yes. Listen, dogs and

SHARPTON: Thank you for your time tonight. And thank you to Angela.
Unfortunately we lost our satellite to her studios. And we`ll have her
back on soon.

Coming up, some breaking news tonight on the fight for voting rights. It`s
good news. But first, it`s take our daughters and sons to work day. And
wait until you see what some kids asked the First Lady at the White House


SHARPTON: You may have seen an army of little arms and legs around your
office today. But rest assured you weren`t alone. Today, the White House
held its annual take our daughters and sons to work day. And first Lady
Michelle Obama took questions from some of the over 150 children of White
House employees who came and attended the event. Most of the questions
were fun and light hearted. What`s her favorite food? Veggie pizza. And
her favorite place to travel. All over the world. She even answered a
question about first dogs, Bo and Sunny.


MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: What`s your name? Here`s the mic, it`s
coming to you.

MATTHEW: My name is Matthew, and I was wondering who takes care of the
dogs when you`re busy?

MICHELLE OBAMA: Yes. That`s a great question. Dale is the person who is
right on the case with the dogs.


SHARPTON: Just another day at the office. The Oval Office.


SHARPTON: Finally we have some breaking news on voting rights. And
Arkansas judge just struck down the state`s new voter ID law. He found it
violates state`s constitution. The law would have required photo IDs.
Banned out of state college IDs and forced voters without photo IDs to
prove they were too poor to get one. Democrats said it would
disenfranchise voters, Governor Mike Beebe, a democrat vetoed the bill.
But Republicans overrode that veto setting of multiple lawsuits, resulting
in today`s decision.

It`s a decision that shows we can fight back. Which is why we should never
give up, never stop, especially when our rights are at stake. We may have
some bad rounds, but the fight is not over until it`s over. And it`s not a
fight that we should try to win. It`s a fight that we must win. And
today`s decision shows we can win some rounds if we stay in the ring.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.

STEVE KORNACKI, GUEST HOST, "HARDBALL": The jolly rancher`s dark side.
Let`s play HARDBALL.


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