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PoliticsNation, Monday, July 21st, 2014

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July 21, 2014

Guest: Wes Moore, Joe Madison, Krystal Ball, Don Terry, Darryl Owens

Schultz. "Politics Nation" with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening, Rev.

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, ed. And thanks to you
for tuning in.

We`ll be talking tonight about the death of Eric Gardner, the 43-year-old
father of six who died last week. It was caught on this tape after a
scuffle with New York city police officers who took him down in a choke
hold. There is no justification for this. We`ll talk about police and
emergency medical workers` actions. That`s coming up later in the show.

But first tonight`s lead. Dismantling the GOP`s blame Obama first attacks.
Four days after the Malaysia airlines plane was with blown out of the sky,
finally separatists are reportedly set to turn over bodies after taking
them away from the crash site. International pressure is growing on
President Putin.

And today, President Obama issued a stern warning.


violate Ukraine`s sovereignty and back the separatists Russia will only
further isolate itself from the international community and the costs for
Russia`s behavior will only continue to increase.


SHARPTON: Meanwhile, we are seeing the heart wrenching reality, the
victim`s family members.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When I`m in my bed at night, I see my son lying on
the ground. I see Daisy. I see them in my head. They have to come home.
Not only them. Everybody has to come home.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had one child and she was my proud and my everything.
It`s gone.


SHARPTON: It`s a time of international crisis, a time we should be united.
But instead, we are seeing the same old response from many Republicans.

Senator McCain called the President`s Ukraine policy cowardly and others


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United States needs to end its tepid response to
this whole operation.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t know how anybody could say our response has
been anything but timid and cautious.

SEN. TED CRUZ (R), TEXAS: Instead of demonstrating weakness because when
Putin sees weakness he demonstrates over and over again aggression and
willingness to go after others.


SHARPTON: But the worst came from Senator McCain`s understudy in cheap
shots, Senator Lindsey Graham.


SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: Leading from behind isn`t
working. The world is adrift. And President Obama has become the king of
indecision. Indecision reigns. President Obama is trying to deliberative.
It comes off as indecisive. He is trying to be thoughtful. It comes off
his weakness. There is a battle of wills between the KGB colonel and the
community organizer and the colonel is winning.


SHARPTON: This is the playbook for the Republicans. Foreign policy
challenge is an excuse to go after the President. It`s the blame Obama
first crowd. Blame America fist. How about coming together and being
above politics?

Joining me now is retired U.S. Army Captain Wes Moore and`s Joan

Thank you both for coming on the show.

CAPT. WES MOORE, (RET.) U.S. ARMY: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Captain Moore, before we get to the politics, today President
Obama said there will be costs to Russia. If the rebels don`t cooperate.
What kinds of action could President Obama take?

MOORE: Well, the President has been very clear no option is off of the
table. So we could look at everything from economic costs, economic
sanctions, also looking at social costs. Looking at, for example, with
Russia hosting international games. You know, international treaties that
could exist within Russia, also the military option.

So the President has been very clear that no cost is going to off the
table. But one thing I think the President has also been very clear about
is an apprehension of simply saying that we are going to make unilateral

I think, you know, U.S. foreign policy graveyards are full of ideas and
people who think that the United States can simply just go at it alone. A
response to this has to be international response because what you are
talking about the social, the financial or the military costs that Russia
could take on this, it will not be effective unless we can come up with an
international idea and an international response to the actions of Putin
and the nation.

SHARPTON: Joan, I played in the opening Senator Lindsey Graham. I mean,
kind of really rough, aggressive language that I thought was a bit much. I
mean, how did his statements strike you?

JOAN WALSH, EDITOR-AT-LARGE, SALON.COM: Well, the idea that a President
being deliberate and thoughtful in a situation like this is a problem as
this is ridiculous. We have reached some low. But you know, what might be

SHARPTON: I mean, I thought we wanted Presidents to be deliberative and

WALSH: I like my President deliberate and thoughtful. But it might be
just me.

But you know, it reminds me of this game we used to play as kids Mad Libs
where you had a story and people didn`t know what the story was, but they
just filled in the blanks with words, with random words. They have a Mad
Libs for the President where they just throw the same words at him over and
over, weak, indecisive, deliberative is new. And it doesn`t matter. It
can be international crises, it can be the border crisis. It`s the same
template. And there is never an attempt to think about how do we act with
our global partners and, you know, make the sanctions tougher.

SHARPTON: When you look at the fact, Captain, we are talking about almost
300 people dead. Their loved ones feeling as distraught as one could feel.
And we are trying to identify what happened how. We know that somewhere in
here could be the Russian government. And we are going to attack someone
for being deliberative under this kind of crisis? We don`t know where the
European allies who have not been as responsive before now.

I mean, when you look at the landscape and you have Graham saying that and
the leader of the Republican Party, Rush Limbaugh, coming out today saying
this about Ukraine and the President. Look at this.


RUSH LIMBAUGH, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: I just don`t think that President
Obama considers the United States to have sufficient moral superiority or
leadership to be able to tell anybody else what they should and shouldn`t
do. I have no business telling Putin what to do other than telling what I
think he ought do, but that is far as I`m going to go. And I have a
fundraiser to attend and cheeseburgers to eat.


SHARPTON: So let me get this right, Captain. The President ratchets up
sanctions and issues a new public warning to Putin. But the right wing
says Obama is unwilling to tell anybody what to do.

MOORE: It goes back to the point. I`m not sure what the President could
do that you would hear a compliment from Rush Limbaugh about his actions,
you know. When you hear those responses you realize that you are dealing
with people who don`t understand international relations isn`t checkers.
It`s chess. It really is having to come up with a bigger, larger,
understanding of how international flows work.

And frankly, in a situation like this, after a tragedy like this, I would
much rather that we be smart and thoughtful about what`s the long-term
conclusion that we are hoping that this situation comes to instead of
simply just coming up with the motive splurges as ho how the foreign policy
should be and foreign policy should act.

You know, that the President needs to respond and will respond. What we do
want him to be thoughtful about what that response should be. We have seen
in recent history what happens when foreign policy is simply emotive. And
the problem is that we have long-term consequences when foreign policy
isn`t thought out first.

SHARPTON: But Joan, on foreign policy, Republicans are the blame Obama
first crowd, on everything from Syria to Iraq to Israel. I mean, listen.


GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: For six years, he hasn`t spoken up
loudly, firmly and clearly for Israel.

happened today with respect to the ISIS taking over eastern Syria and a big
part of Iraq. Frankly, the Obama with administration, President Obama who
did not follow through with the stay behind agreement.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: Now we turn to Syria. When the United
States is viewed by the world, particularly the Middle East as weak,
withdrawing then I`m not sure we can have are the effects the President
outlined in his state of the union speech.


SHARPTON: I mean, the disrespect, to blame him to just, to the foul (ph)
on him when we are dealing with such delicate things and with lives. I
mean, you talked about this blame Obama first crowd. How destructive is it
to what we need to do internationally for one party to just use any crisis
to just score political points? How destructive is it, Joan?

WALSH: Well, it is destructive. It didn`t used to be that way. We used
to make a real concerted effort to have politics stop at the border and
have the President be the clear representative of American power and
American justice. That has clearly changed.

But if you also listen to all those brilliant people, I mean, they would
have -- John McCain wants weapons to the Ukrainian government, maybe boots
on the ground. They would have us with weapons and boots on the ground
Iraq, Afghanistan, indefinitely, Syria, Libya, you know, the list just goes
on. And we can`t sustain that that`s all they understand is that use of
military power which could not be sustained and which the American people
have absolutely no appetite for.

SHARPTON: We`ll leave it there. Captain Wes Moore and Joan Walsh, thank
you both for your time tonight.

MOORE: Thank you.

WALSH: Thanks, Rev.

SHARPTON: What was the word Sarah Palin couldn`t stop the saying this


SARAH PALIN (R), FORMER ALASKA GOVERNOR: Making the case for it is not
difficult. Difficult is having the moral courage to do what`s right. The
question is, OK, politicians, what are you going to do about it?


SHARPTON: We`ll have the answer for you later in the show.

And the shocking death of a 43-year-old man named Eric Gadrner. New York
City police used a choke hold to take him down. There is no excuse, no
justification for this. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: Sarah Palin found a new way to justify attacking President Obama
over the weekend. She invoked God. I`ll have a somewhat less celestial
response coming up.

But first we want to know what you think. Please head over to our facebook
page and join the conversation that keeps going long after the show ends.


SHARPTON: It`s a big day for celebrity birthdays.

Author Ernest Hemingway was born on this day in 1899. Funny man Robin
Williams is celebrating his 63rd birthday today. U.S. soccer gold medalist
Brandy Chastain is also celebrating.

And get to the cake and take it out for the Dodd-Frank law. Yes, it`s the
big fourth birthday. Four years ago today President Obama signed the
landmark financial legislation into law. No longer would banks run wild.
Right away Republicans said the sky is about to fall, it would stifle wall
street, it would kill jobs.


another example of the President`s attack on economic freedom. Burdensome
regulations serve only to restrict freedom and imperil enterprise.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Regulations are inhibiting the formation of jobs.

SEN. RON JOHNSON (R), WISCONSIN: The thing that would get our economy
going is if we would repeal the Obama agenda. Obamacare, Dodd-Frank, all
the regulations he`s shackling our economy with. That`s what`s keeping our
economy from moving forward.

SEN. ORCHARD SHELBY (R), ALABAMA: What Dodd-Frank is a horror movie for
the American economy, a horror movie for if people are interested in taking
risks and creating jobs.


SHARPTON: A horror movie is shackling our economy? It`s time for a
reality check.

Four years later or should I say four smears later, they were flat out
wrong. On Wall Street, is the Dow is breaking records. The Dow is up 76
percent since this day four years ago. We have had 52 straight months of
private sector job growth. The longest streak on record. But today, they
are still attacking Dodd-Frank as a failure releasing a 100-page report.

Got to hand it to them. At least they are consistent. They are also
consistently wrong on taxes, wrong. On the deficit, wrong. On jobs,
wrong. We might be waiting a long time for that apology.

Joining me now is Jared Bernstein, former chief economist for vice
President Biden, and senior fellow with the center for on budget and policy

Jared, four years later they were wrong but they are still attacking. What
is their strategy here?

JARED BERNSTEIN, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: The strategy is to not let facts get
in the way of the story. I appreciate what you and other folks here at the
show are trying to do to bring the facts to light.

Look. As long as they can make up a story about Dodd-Frank, the affordable
care act, minimum wage, deficit taxes, then they can continue to plumb
their agenda which is very much an anti-government agenda.

Now for example, corporate profitability over the last few years has hit
the highest its ever been on record. So the story that somehow Obama is
unfriendly to business doesn`t fit this theme of Dodd-Frank doing those
things that you played in the tape. If they can get everyone to believe
the ACA, Dodd-Frank, et cetera, are having these factually incorrect
effects they say, then they can push back on implementation. They have
already grid locked the process. But that`s what it`s all about.

SHARPTON: Now, Jared, there is good news about some states that raised the
minimum wage. And the fact is they are seeing job growth. First look at
state where is the minimum wage hasn`t been raised. They are seeing a job
growth of about 0.61 percent. But now, look at the states that raised the
minimum wage since January 1st of this year. Their job growth is higher
than the other states.

Let me ask you this. The GOP says increasing the minimum wage will kill
jobs. This shows quite the opposite, doesn`t it Jared?

BERNSTEIN: Well, I think what it shows is that if you increase the minimum
wage you are going to continue to see employment growth particularly if
those increases are very much in the moderate range that these states have
undertaken which happens to be the same as the President`s proposal to
increase the minimum wage to $10.10 an hour over the next three years. It
is exactly as you suggest.

Another area where the rhetoric, the ideology is all wrong. So let me just
say that I think, once again, I think the strategy here is because if you
can`t win on the facts, make up a story and try to win on the story.
Because the story is designed to block the minimum wage, to block the
affordable care act, block Dodd-Frank because the facts actually suggest
that implementing all of the above is better for the economy and the people
in it.

SHARPTON: Now, the GOP has also said that if states increase taxes it will
kill jobs.


SHARPTON: (INAUDIBLE) a blog took a look at tax breaks and hikes in two
states today.

First in Kansas where Governor Brownback slashed tax revenue by more than
10 percent in 2012. Since then, Kansas has added jobs at a rate of two
percent. That`s slower that be the rest of the United States. And Kansas
actually earned less.

In 2013, people in Kansas earned less than in 2012. But at the same time
in contrast, in California where they raised taxes in 2012, million dollar
plus earners were taxed three percent on each additional dollar they
earned. But contrary to Republican claims of killing jobs with tax hikes,
California actually added over 410,000 jobs last year. Their job growth
accounted for a 17.5 percent of new jobs in the whole country.

BERNSTEIN: Right. Yes. Look, Rev., I mean, Kansas really has a revenue
problem that they have created for themselves. And now, I read that their
bond rating is being downgraded because they simply can`t support their
state on the revenues they are collecting. Their education system, their
infrastructure. California went the other way.

Again, if the facts don`t fit your story you can make up another story in
what passes for a political debate today. That`s why it`s so critically
important that we try to just bring the facts of the case out. Because if
you can`t bring the facts of the case to a venue like ours here, it will be
hard to support the kind of reality based policy agenda whether it`s Dodd-
Frank to provide oversight to financial markets, whether it`s responsible
fiscal policy to raise the revenues we need. Whether it`s responsible
minimum wage policy to give a bit of a boost to folks at the bottom. The
fact-based community is pointing at progressive policy direction and vice

SHARPTON: That`s why we have to keep fighting.

Jared Bernstein, thank you for your time tonight.

BERNSTEIN: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Coming up, here`s how you know the GOP is worried. Sarah Palin
is throwing the I word around. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: Eric Gardner, a 43-year-old father of six, died in Staten Island
last week after police officers were caught on this tape putting him in an
illegal choke hold.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Every time you see me, you mess with me. I`m tired of


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t touch me. Do not touch me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I can`t breathe.


SHARPTON: Earlier this month in Los Angeles, this was the scene, a
California highway patrol officer repeatedly punching a woman in the face.
Both attacks caught on tape. Both raising serious questions about how this
kind of unacceptable police behavior can still be happening. But we must
put an end to the it. My thoughts on that ahead.


SHARPTON: The clock is ticking before Congress takes its summer break and
house Republicans have been laser focused on big issues like suing the
President. For some conservatives, want them to think bigger. Governor
Palin, take it away.


FMR. GOV. SARAH PALIN (R), ALASKA: These days you hear all of the
politicians, they`re denouncing Barack Obama saying, oh, he`s a lawless,
imperial president. He ignores court orders and changes laws by fiat and
refuses to enforce laws that he just doesn`t like. That`s true, but the
question is, OK, politicians, what are you going to do about it?


There is only one remedy for a president who commits high crimes and
misdemeanors and it`s impeachment. It`s the I-word.



SHARPTON: Yep, Alaska`s most famous former governor is leading the charge
for impeachment. Working the fire of the base. And then she invoked God
to attack the President.


PALIN: God doesn`t drive parked cars. I think he expects us to get up and
take action in order to defend these freedoms that are God-given. I think
it is an affront to God to let this go on because he gave us these
freedoms. We are not going to let someone, a person a party take them from


We are not going to dethrone God and substitute him with someone who wants
to play God.


SHARPTON: The President is doing his job, not playing God. But I guess
she wanted to up the any from those who`ve called the president a king.
These attacks are spinning out of control. Because the GOP is getting
desperate. The New York Times has out with a new piece out today. Good-
bye to the republican wave. Arguing the GOP might not see the big gains
they were expecting this fall. The health care law is working. The
economy is improving. And the Republican Party isn`t winning any
popularity contests. So what does that leave them with?


PALIN: It`s impeachment. It`s the I-word.



SHARPTON: Yep. All I-word, all the time. But will this ugly plan to
smear the President backfire on the GOP? You bet you.

Joining me now are Joe Madison and Krystal Ball. Thank you both for being



SHARPTON: Krystal, this is a growing trend on the right. How might this
work for the President and the Democrats?

BALL: Well, I think it`s another example of republican overreach just like
they have done with Benghazi and all of the committees where they go so far
and continue attacking so far past where the public wants them to be. That
it exposes the fact that actually they have nothing to offer in terms of
policy plans. So, their best hope in terms of their campaigns this year
has been to attack the President who by the way is not on the ballot, he`s
not running this year.


BALL: So that rings a little bit hollow. And to continue to sort of
denounce ObamaCare which is the law of the land and which they have offered
no alternative to and which is providing millions of Americans with health
care. So, this is the best that they have come up with. And I do think it
rings hollow to a lot of voters.

SHARPTON: Joe, I want to play a little more of Sarah Palin to you where
she challenged Republicans on impeachment.


PALIN: Considering articles of impeachment is the check making the case
for it is not difficult. Difficult is having the moral courage to do
what`s right. Congress, it takes guts to hold him accountable. It takes
political will.


SHARPTON: Guts. I mean, will Republicans get hammered by the right if
they are against impeachment, Joe?

MADISON: I don`t know are if they will get hammered. But, you know, the
reality is it is very difficult to make an argument with impeachment. We
learned that with President Clinton, former President Clinton. You can
write up articles of impeachment. But then you have to convince the Senate
to actually convict. But, you know, Krystal said something interesting and
she`s 100 percent right. Up until now, President Obama was not on the
ballot. He is now. And every time that President Obama is on ballot, what
happens? He wins and he wins big.

The Democrats had a major problem going in. And that was, how do you
activate the base? How do you get moderates? How do you get people to
turn out in the last term of a sitting president and that was one of their
major problems. The other problem was that there were issues that the
Republicans are going to run on. And Krystal is right. You can`t run on
Benghazi. You can`t run are on ObamaCare. Now what are you going to run
on? Should we or should we not impeach the President? And that`s going to
backfire and motivate now our side to come out and vote because they don`t
want this to happen. This is going to backfire big. That`s why you`ve got
this chasm inside the Republican Party. They wish -- quite honestly, many
wish that Sarah Palin would just go away.

SHARPTON: You know, it really has gotten out of control though, Krystal.
When you look at the fact in Wisconsin, all four republican candidates for
Congressional seat said they lean toward impeachment. And in Georgia, both
candidates for the GOP Senate nomination said they would consider
impeachment. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I`m not up there. I don`t have the facts. But right
now one thing I know is if he`s violating his oath of office to a degree
that`s egregious enough to do it, I will be by that.

REP. JACK KINGSTON (R), GEORGIA: Not a day goes by when people don`t talk
to us about impeachment. I don`t know what rises to that level yet. But I
know that there is a mounting frustration that a lot of people are getting
to. And I think Congress is going to start looking at it very seriously.


SHARPTON: Congress is looking at this seriously? I mean, now all of these
candidates are still in primary. Will any of this change -- this rhetoric
about impeachment change once we get past the primary season and one of
them are opposing a democrat in the general with general voters?


BALL: I doubt it. Because they have fed their bases rhetoric for so long
that this is what their base expects. So, since they are saying this in
the primary just like what we saw with Mitt Romney in the presidential
primary. Once you tell your base one thing in the primary it`s very hard
to turn around and sell something else in the general election. This is a
problem of their own making. In this way Sarah Palin is right. You can`t
go out there and tell people that the President is lawless, that he`s an
imperial president that he`s disregarding the rules and the laws of the
land and then not say that impeachment is the remedy. So, it`s the fact
that they have been selling this false bill of goods to their base in the
first place that is created this monster for the Republican Party.

SHARPTON: But Joe, they have been itching to get to this impeachment talk
for years. I mean, this is not a new desire. They have been wanting to
come here for a long time.

MADISON: You know, I talked about it on your show. How many what, years
ago, two years ago. I think that last, I said, look, impeachment is the
next thing. Because the Muslim thing failed. The birther thing failed.
Everything they have attacked the President on has failed and failed
miserably. And so, I anticipated that, OK, the last straw is now
impeachment and the reality is, look, you`re talking about a president that
has, what, a little over two years. Two years, what do you gain by
impeaching him? Well, one, you can destroy his legacy. I think that`s the
under current.

SHARPTON: Well, there is one little problem. Giving health care to
millions of Americans doesn`t exactly qualify as a high crime or
misdemeanor. Joe Madison, I have to leave it there. Joe and Krystal Ball,
thank you both for your time tonight.

BALL: Thanks, Rev.

MADISON: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: And be sure to watch Krystal on "THE CYCLE" weekdays at 3:00
p.m. Eastern right here on MSNBC.

Coming up, more fallout from the Florida Police Department being
investigated for links to the Ku Klux Klan. What cases are now being
dropped? And this man died after being choked by New York City police.
It`s raising serious questions about how this can still be happening.


SHARPTON: Now to that Florida Police Department dealing with a Ku Klux
Klan controversy. Florida state officials are now investigating the
Fruitland Park Police after two officers were linked to the Ku Klux Klan by
the FBI. One was fired and one resigned. Deputy Chief David Borst and
George Hunnewell denied they secretly belonged to the Ku Klux Klan and the
third officer James Elkins resigned four years ago over similar

Today, we are learning the state is dropping three cases involving those
two officers. The state`s attorney`s office saying they haven`t found any
evidence the officers were motivated by racism. But worries a jury might
question their credibility. And now one man arrested by the two officers
is speaking out saying he was targeted.


MANUEL HERNANDEZ, ARRESTED BY POLICE: They are supposed to look at things
differently, being the law. You have an issue with anybody`s color or
nationality, you shouldn`t be serving and protecting because you are not
doing the job the way it is supposed to be done.


SHARPTON: The town is stunned by police officers with KKK ties. And the
investigation is just beginning.

Joining me now is Don Terry from the Southern Poverty Law Center and Darryl
Owens, columnist for the Orlando Sentinel. Writing about criminal justice
and race relations. Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Don, three cases dropped but they are going forward with nine
other cases against people arrested by them. What`s your reaction?

TERRY: Well, my reaction is if I was a defense attorney in Florida, I
would be licking my chops. I think this gives them more ammunition and
this nine case is going forward. Any time you have any hint of a taint of
a police officer, that gives the defense attorney at least a little more
operating room.

SHARPTON: Now, Darryl, you know, two men who were arrested by two of the
officers want their cases re-examined. Watch this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: He`s out in the middle of my car as I was going, and
then I almost pulled his gun and said, oh, I could have shot you if you
would have hit me with your car.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Probably racial profiling he was doing. Because I don`t
know why he stopped me.

UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Do you think that you were treated differently because
of your ethnicity?

HERNANDEZ: Yes. If you`re called names and everything else while you are
being arrested, you`re being treated differently.


SHARPTON: So Darryl, they are going to have to go back and look at every
case. I mean, these men were just two that the local news stations found.
Are they going to have to review every case?

OWENS: I`m not sure if they will going to have to review every case but
certainly these two cases that you just described warrant being re-
examined. But if more people come forward and the investigation shows that
there may have been some impropriety in the investigation that might open
up the floodgates.

SHARPTON: Now, Don, you know, and Hunnewell who was a police department
secretary until 2010 and the ex-wife of one of the officers, she claims she
and the officer joined as part of an undercover investigation, that they
were ordered to infiltrate the group, the KKK. Listen to this.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: This newly release, the FDLA report shows the Ku Klux
Klan had a deeper hook in Fruitland Park Police Department than first
thought. FDLA said former Fruitland Park Police Secretary Ann Hunnewell
was also a member of the Klan since 2008, the same year her ex-husband
recently outed KKK member George Hunnewell joined the force. He was fired
last week. Ann claimed the couple was working undercover when they joined
the Klan but admitted she had no paperwork to back that up. The report
also states, former deputy Chief David Borst had ties to the Klan going
back years to when he was a sergeant.


SHARPTON: But Don, the police chief Isaacs has a recorded interview with
the police chief at the time who flat out denied it saying, quote, "At no
time did I ever instruct or have anybody working undercover or infiltrating
a Klan organization while I was the chief of police." Don, your reaction.

TERRY: My reaction is I think she`s -- what did they say? In Washington,
she`s spinning, trying to make a bad situation look a little bit better.
There is no documentation for her being under cover or for her husband
being under cover. And as you just said, both police chiefs say that it
did not happen.

SHARPTON: Now, Darryl, Ann Hunnewell also described the KKK`s initiation
right at the Elkins home alongside 68 others to the Florida Department of
law enforcement. Quote, "Once in the room a pillow case was placed over
their heads. As the ceremony began they were led into a living room and
told to kneel. After a reading their pillow cases were removed from their
heads and the ceremony was complete." I mean, it`s really chilling to hear
the ceremony described like this. Are most people surprised, that things
like this that could happen in the 21st century. And these are police

OWENS: Well, you`re exactly right. That`s been one of the more amazing
things to me during this investigation is the number of people who say that
they are surprised that the Ku Klux Klan and other hate groups like this
still exist in 2014 when as the Southern Poverty Law Center itself will
point out, there are a number of hate groups to lock them in the country.
So, it just makes you wonder where these people have been hiding all this

SHARPTON: You know, Don, the thing that is most disturbing to a lot of
people and something that keeps me going back to this story is that we know
there is a long history from years ago of the Klan and law enforcement
particularly in the south. During the civil rights era of the `60s and
going backward. But today, people thought that was over. And I think that
these kinds of accusations and the Elkins situation a couple of years ago
is like waking up, realizing that maybe we thought this was buried before
it was actually buried in terms of Klan in law enforcement in the south.

TERRY: Right. Well, the police behavior across the country backed the
police -- you didn`t have to necessarily be in the Klan. Bull Connor
looked the other way when the freedom riders who are coming through
Birmingham in 1961. He allowed the Klan, he gave them 15 minutes to
basically beat the heck out of the Freedom Riders -- black and white
Freedom Riders. And so, they look the other way. He wasn`t maybe a
Klansman but his behavior was atrocious. He said beat them until it looks
like a bulldog and got a hold of them.

SHARPTON: And that was 50 years ago this summer. And all of them weren`t
Klansmen. Some just looked the other way and let them do what they wanted
to do.

TERRY: Exactly.

SHARPTON: Don Terry, Darryl Owens, thank you both for your time tonight.

TERRY: My pleasure.

OWENS: Thank you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Coming up, President Obama gets personal talking about his My
Brother`s Keepers initiative to help black and Latino boys.

And this unarmed father of six was subjected to a choke hold. And now he`s
no longer with us. There is no justification for this. My commentary


SHARPTON: Today was a big day for President Obama`s My Brother`s Keepers
initiative. In February he introduced this new program designed to help
lift up boys of color through mentorships and education. And today he
announced new partners and sent an additional $100 million has been
donated. President Obama took questions from some of the young men in the
audience and gave very personal answers.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: You said when you were younger your father always wasn`t
around. How did you learn how to become a good father?

PRES. BARACK OBAMA (D), UNITED STATES: That`s a good question. You know,
it wasn`t just that my father wasn`t always around. I only met him for a
month my entire life. He wasn`t there otherwise. So I didn`t know him at
all until I was 10. He came for a month and I never saw him again. But I
had this mom who just loved me a lot and I had grandparents who loved me a
lot. And to all the heroic single moms out there, we appreciate you for
what you accomplish and what you do.



SHARPTON: Yes. We appreciate all those heroic single moms out there, and
all that they do. And we appreciate the My Brother`s Keepers initiative.


SHARPTON: Finally tonight, a call to action for justice. A disturbing
video went viral over the weekend. It shows Eric Garner, a 43-year-old
married father of six, struggling with police officers after they accused
him of illegally selling loose cigarettes. Here`s what happened next.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Every time you see me, you mess with me. I`m tired of
it. Don`t touch me, please. Do not touch me.



UNIDENTIFIED MAN: I can`t breathe.


SHARPTON: Garner asked the cops to leave him alone saying he`s doing
nothing wrong. He pulled his arms away as police officers tried to
handcuff him. Several more officers come to surround Garner and one puts
Garner in a choke hold, dropping him to the ground. He can then be heard
saying, "I can`t breathe, I can`t breathe."

Then late this weekend, a new seven-minute video emerged showing Garner`s
motionless body on the sidewalk. Four emergency service workers, two
medics and two EMTs arrived to find Garner unconscious, but did nothing to
aid him. Reports now say Garner should have been immediately placed on a
stretcher and his airway breathing and circulation checked. None of this
happened. Sources at the scene claim one medic had no equipment with her.
Why was there seemingly no urgency?

Garner died of cardiac arrest en route to the hospital. There is no
justification for the actions on the part of police nor the delinquency of
the emergency workers. The four emergency workers have been placed on
operational restriction and the cop who put Garner in the choke hold has
had his badge and gun taken. Across the country there is another video
that`s gone viral. Sparking similar outrage in the community. In this
video, 51-year-old Marlene Pinnock is punched repeatedly by a California
patrol officer on the side of the freeway for disobeying orders not to walk
near the freeway.



UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Oh, (bleep). He`s beating her up.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: Is that a cop?


SHARPTON: So horrific tapes and two terrible unjustified actions. Black
people attacked by law enforcement, both caught on tape. In the 21st
Century, there is no doubt we made tremendous strides but we still have a
long way to go. I spoke about this yesterday as I preached at Riverside
Church here in New York City.


SHARPTON: I know that God is here. Because I look at the wave of history
and even with the difficulties I see how God`s hand is moving us forward.
I know God is here because when Dr. King came in this pulpit in `67, to
come out against a war with no one in that time would have ever thought
that we would be sitting here today with a black president and a black
attorney general.



SHARPTON: And why did we make that progress? We made it because people
like Dr. King and people that came behind Dr. King and people that kept it
going in my generation and a generation behind me did not accept wrong are.
They kept fighting, they kept marching, they kept doing what was right.
And that`s what we must do today. We must not sink into cynicism and say,
why do we keep seeing the same things? We`ve got to keep fighting because
progress can happen. The good note on both cases is both cases in L.A. and
New York were with videotaped by two men, neither were black. It shows
that people will stand up for what`s right, even if police officers don`t.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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