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PoliticsNation, Wednesday, September 17th, 2014

Read the transcript from the Wednesday show

September 17, 2014

REVEREND AL SHARPTON, MSNBC ANCHOR: Good evening, Ed. And thanks to you
for tuning in.

Breaking news, moments ago, the House voted to approve President Obama`s
plan to train and equip Syrian rebels, fighting the terrorist group ISIS.
This, just hours after the President repeated his promise that he will not
put U.S. troops on the ground.


learned over this last decade is America can make a decisive difference.
But I want to be clear. The American forces that have been deployed to
Iraq do not and will not have a combat mission. They will support Iraqi
forces on the ground as they fight for their own country against these
terrorists. As your commander-in-chief, I will not commit you and the rest
of our armed forces to fighting another ground war in Iraq.


SHARPTON: A vow not to get the U.S. dragged into another ground war in the
Middle East. The fight against ISIS is a serious issue and many serious
questions remain. But when secretary of state John Kerry testified today,
one Republican senator launched political and personal attacks on this


SEN. BOB CORKER (R), TENNESSEE: I want to say as I`ve said to you
personally, we have three senators -- President, vice President, secretary
of state. That are exercising terrible judgment right now.

JOHN KERRY, SECRETARY OF STATE: Let me say a couple things. First of all,
with respect --

CORKER: You can say the answer to my question, OK?

KERRY: No, I`m going to answer your question. I`m sure the chair will be,
you know, happy to have the kind of dialogue I talked about earlier. It is
important to talk this through.

CORKER: I have 2:34 and four more questions. This doesn`t even seem
serious. It seems like a political answer to the United States as they cry
out about this uncivilized activity but it doesn`t seem real to me.


SHARPTON: This is not the kind of tone we need when debating law. Moments
later, Senator Barbara Boxer made her feelings known.


SEN. BARBARA BOXER (D), CALIFORNIA: I think it is shocking and a sad state
of affairs that we heard just now such angry comments aimed at you, Mr.
Secretary, and through you at our President instead of at ISIS. I think it
is shocking. I`m actually shaking and trembling. This is not the time to
show anger at the people who are working night and day, whether you agree
with them or not, to protect our people.


SHARPTON: We can certainly disagree on policy, but with so much at stake,
we shouldn`t debate the conversation and debase the conversation by
launching political and personal attacks on men and women trying to keep us

Joining me now is Senator Barbara Boxer. Senator, thank you for being

BOXER: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Why were you so disturbed by those comments from Senator Corker?

BOXER: Reverend, I find it a case of misplaced anger and politics. The
anger should be shown at this terrorist group that beheaded two of our
people. They have promised more to come. They say every person is in
their target range. They`re taking 14-year-old girls, Reverend, raping
them, selling them off, sometimes, giving them as prizes to their fighters.

This group needs to be stopped. And to direct anger such as Senator Corker
did at our secretary of state who is working tirelessly to build up a
coalition to go against ISIS and to show that angry face to the world at
this time. To me it did make me tremble and I did speak out against it.
It is rare that I do that but I really felt it was important. The tone.
What you say and how you say it when you are facing this kind of enemy is
very important.

SHARPTON: Senator, what should be the focus of this discussion at this

BOXER: I think it is very clear. I think the President has laid out a
middle ground here. There are those who say, start up that war in Iraq
again. People like Senator McCain, Senator Graham and others, put the
boots on the ground, the combat groups. Let`s go back in there. We
shouldn`t have left. He rejects that.

Then there`s other group that says just forgets it. It is too complex. We
don`t know where it will lead us and it is frightening. And they cower in
the corner and that`s wrong as far as I`m concerned. They are both wrong.
The President is leading us down a middle course, which is we have a
strategy, we have a world coalition, it is up to 50 nations. We don`t put
our combat boots on the ground but we have the strategy, we have the
intelligence, we have the air power and we`ll do everything we can to
defeat this group called ISIS. Which if you don`t convert to have their
radical form of Islam, they say if you don`t convert you either flee or we
kill you. That`s it. We cannot sit back.

And I thought that this vote today in the House was a major victory for the
President. But more than that, it was a victory of common sense because
that middle ground is where we should be headed in my view. And you know,
vote against the war in Iraq, I am very, very careful when it comes to
these kinds of issues.

SHARPTON: Senator, you know, Senator Corker said this didn`t sound
serious. But secretary of state John Kerry has been all over. I mean, 20
locations. Is there anything about what he`s doing that doesn`t seem
serious to you?

BOXER: It is deadly serious. So much is at stake. And for the first
time, we actually have the Arab nation standing with us. Saudi Arabia is
willing to give us the land in order to train these Syrian fighters, these
moderate Syrian fighters.

So you know, again, everyone has a right to disagree. But to show that
angry face to the world, it just to me was so disheartening. And -- but I
think the House vote today, that sends the right message.

Listen. Not everybody agrees with the strategy, but that was a strong
vote. The majority of Democrats, the majority of Republicans and I think
you will see that also later this week here in the United States Senate.

And let`s let this strategy unfold. It makes a lot of sense. The
President is a very cautious man. He is deliberative. It took him a while
to put this tragedy together. He has it together. The least we can do is
be respectful of this strategy. Because this group has attacked our people
and they want to attack us.

SHARPTON: Two hundred and seventy three votes in the House of
Representatives today. That`s quite a feat.

BOXER: It is pretty much a land slide because it was made up of both
parties, Reverend Al. It is so rare that you see that.

SHARPTON: Well, let me personally congratulate you for standing up in the
Senate today. I really respect what you did. Senator Barbara Boxer, thank
you so much for your time tonight.

BOXER: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Now I want to bring in Dana Milbank of the "Washington Post."
Dana, first of all, thanks for being here.

you, Reverend.

SHARPTON: How can Republicans sit there and try to score political points
during a debate about law?

MILBANK: It is an extraordinary thing, Reverend, if you think about it.
It was just a few weeks ago when virtually nobody was talking about boots
on the ground, about a ground war in the Middle East. And you had the
President come out and basically say what John McCain and Lindsey Graham, a
lot of these hoaxes have been saying. Yes, we have to get involved with
the air campaign, support the rebels there. And the moment the President
says it, suddenly the Republican Party has become the party in fare of a
ground war in the Middle East. So this is utterly a new creation here.

SHARPTON: You wrote about that. And see, I really think this is -- it is
something that we need to bring out because you did in your writings today.
You write about how we`ve heard some Republicans push for ground troops
even though a few weeks ago they said it was a bad idea. I mean, they`re
being vehement, they are being aggressive, they`re throwing all kinds of
insults around and they would want -- two weeks ago they had complete
opposite position. I want to play you the comments that you wrote about
this. Listen to this, Dana.


SEN. JEFF SESSIONS (R), ALABAMA: We invented a number of military special
forces with the Iraqi military. And they knew that they had access to
intelligence from United States and air support from the United States,
wouldn`t that encourage them to be more effective militarily?

SEN. KELLY AYOTTE (R), NEW HAMPSHIRE: I`m not confident how this is going
to happen without the assistance of our trained special operators on the

SEN. LINDSEY GRAHAM (R), SOUTH CAROLINA: If you think they can do it
without us being on the ground, just say yes.


SHARPTON: Why would they want troops on the ground?

MILBANK: Well, it does if you`re being a bit cynical about this, you would
say well, they want boots on the ground because President Obama doesn`t.
If you look more closely at what they`re saying, they`re not saying send
the troops in right now. They`re saying just don`t take it off the table.

Now of course, if President Obama were to come out and be for troops on the
ground now, the American public isn`t ready for that thing. So he is being
more clever in his leadership. Now, as General Dempsey, the chairman of
joint chiefs said yesterday, well, if circumstances change, of course he
would recommend a change to the President. And whatever the President is
saying now, if he`s facing a fundamentally different situation in a year or
two, obviously circumstances would change. But it just seems like sort of
free opportunity to posture here.

But as senator Boxer pointed out, the vote in the House today was really a
majority of Republicans and a majority of Democrats. So the people who are
posturing are still, it appears they are doing just that but ultimately
going I know what the plan.

SHARPTON: You know, the president also made a point today that the U.S.
always comes to the aid of those who need it. Listen to this, Dana.


OBAMA: And that`s the story across the board. If there is a hurricane, if
there is a typhoon, if there is some sort of crisis, if there is an
earthquake, if there is a need for a rescue mission, when the world is
threatened, when the world needs help, it calls on America. Even the
countries that complain about America, when they need help, who do they
call? They call us.


SHARPTON: What message is the President trying to send here, Dana?

MILBANK: Well, the rap against this President from the right, and even
from some of his own supporters, is that he has not been engaged enough in
the world. That he doesn`t believe enough in American greatness and
American exceptionalism. And I think what he`s done here is an answer to

Now, you know, to look at the Syria situation, he tried to suggest to the
Congress a bombing campaign a year ago. Dropped it in their laps. They
couldn`t come together with anything, Republicans and Democrats alike.

So, he has in many ways answered the critics in saying. Yes, I`m an
internationalist. You would think that from the Republicans side, they say
thank you for coming over to our position. We are with you. Instead they
sort of move the golf post.

SHARPTON: Yes. Dana Milbank, thank you for your time tonight.

MILBANK: My pleasure. Thanks.

SHARPTON: Coming up, developing news tonight in the NFL, including new
allegations and growing calls for action.

Plus, we`ve heard the outrage at Ray Rice, but what about this federal
judge? He beat his wife and he is still on the bench. Unbelievable story.

And the issue of domestic violence in the spotlight, Meredith Vieira opens
up about her own experience.


MEREDITH VIEIRA, JOURNALIST: And then there was the night that I shared an
apartment and he threw me into a shower naked in scalding water and then he
threw me outside into the hallway.


SHARPTON: And developing news out of Ferguson. Michael Brown`s killer
testified before the grand jury. We`re live in St. Louis tonight.


SHARPTON: Another NFL star has been bench for domestic abuse, but he is
still earning his $13 million salary. Does the punishment fit the crime?
That`s next.


SHARPTON: Developing news tonight in the scandals engulfing the NFL. Late
today, the Carolina Panthers announced their benched Greg Hardy who is
appealing a conviction for assaulting his girlfriend. The Minnesota
Vikings have benched Adrian Peterson, following his indictment on child
abuse charges. The players union says both men have left voluntarily. The
union has also appealed Ray Rice`s indefinite suspension for punching his
girl in an elevator. And there is growing pressure on the San Francisco
49ers for playing Ray McDonald despite his arrest for allegedly hitting his
pregnant fiancee.


innocent until proven guilty, due process, all of that. But the fact is
they shouldn`t have played.


SHARPTON: It`s clear the NFL has a problem. It is clear the league hasn`t
done enough to address it. And it is also clear that this issue, domestic
violence, is something the entire country needs to deal with.

Joining me now, Dana Jacobson, host of CBS sports radio, thanks for being


SHARPTON: Dana, let`s look at Greg Hardy. This summer he was convicted of
domestic assault and threatening to kill an ex-girlfriend. She says he
dragged her by the hair and strangled her. Hardy is appealing that
conviction. And even after today, he is still collecting a $13 million
salary. What`s your response to what his team is doing?

JACOBSON: Well, I think so much of this come down to the thing we want to
say. This is about winning games. And that`s why some of these players
were around despite in this situation, it having gone to a bench trial.

I think at this point, at least they`ve taken action. And while nobody is
admitting they are taking action because it`s been a public outcry of we`re
not OK with this anymore, at least they`re taking action. They are sitting
him. Yes, he is getting paid. Do I wish that money was going toward
domestic violence prevention? Sure, that would be better. But it is a
step in the right direction to at least remove him from the team for right
now while that legal side does play out because it is going to a jury

SHARPTON: But Dana, even while they were doing that, the coach, Ron
Rivera, I was struck by the tone --

JACOBSON: Me, too.

SHARPTON: Listen to this.


he really is. And it is a tough situation. Greg is part of this football
team, you know. We`ve done nothing other than give him a leave have
absence. He is still being paid. He is still part of this football team
and in due time he will be back here.


SHARPTON: I mean, does he not get the message? He is hurting? He will be
back? I mean, is there some disconnect?

JACOBSON: When I was watching it, what I thought it is such a disconnect.
And it comes back to this is a really good football player for them. So I
think it is very difficult for some of these coaches or players or teams to
be able to sit back and say, I need to forget about everything else. You
know what? You may still be my friend. I may support you trying to get
help. But you need to go away right now and we`re going to work as a team
on our own which by the way you`ve let us down because you`re not here for
us anymore. But there is definitely a disconnect because of --.

SHARPTON: But Dana, 12 NFL players have been arrested for domestic abuse
since 2005. Some won their cases, some lost, some are still in the courts.
Why has the NFL been so slow to recognize the problem even now?

JACOBSON: Because we haven`t had the same public outcry. Because it was
easier then to sort of shove it to the side and we didn`t hear about it.
We heard some old allegations today about Brandon Marshall. When that
happened there wasn`t this kind of outcry that we see now. And I don`t
know if it is the change in social media and the way twitter even works,
whatever that may be. But there is a louder voice now saying it is not OK
anymore. And it seems very apparent this has been going on. Not just the
league, in our society.

SHARPTON: He was with the Broncos. Now he is with the Bears.

JACOBSON: And you know, I was talking with a former front office person
who has worked in the couple of different offices in the NFL. And he said,
of course, this has gone on before. It is part of our society. But it is
what the NFL maybe does now, we`re not even seeing what they`re requesting
to do now. We can`t pre tent it didn`t happen but what can we do going

SHARPTON: Well, maybe the only way to get change is the sponsors. I mean,
some of the NFL`s biggest corporate sponsors that made public statements
expressing concern about how the league is handling the issue. But do you
think any of them will actually pull out of their support for the NFL? And
if they did, what effect would it have?

JACOBSON: There is no way if you are a smart business person, you would
pull out of the NFL. Look, we`ve said this before. I think I said this to
you a few days ago. This is a league that everybody is still watching.
We`re upset about these arrests. We are upset about what is happening. We
are still going to watch the game and we`re not punishing the entire teams
or the entire league for that. So if I`m any of those big companies, well,
there is my audience. Why would I pull my money? If they did, that would
be a killer for the NFL in what they make out from those sponsors and what
they`re getting from those dollars.

SHARPTON: You`ve been around sports and watching this awhile. Where are
we now? Where is this going in your judgment?

JACOBSON: I hope it is getting better. You know, I brought this up over
the weekend. If you go back almost 20 years it was Warren Moon who was put
on trial for domestic violence and acquitted. His wife didn`t -- his now
ex-wife didn`t want to testify against him. And you heard jurors in that
case, say they just thought that was the normal thing that happened between
a husband and wife. He was accused of choking her. Things that is not

So I don`t know if we`ve come far enough as a society. But I hope the NFL,
at least, takes a message here. There is public outcry every time this is
happening now. And if the pendulum swung too far the other way, maybe the
NFL can get a little closer.

They can`t keep ignoring it. I understand this is societal problem. But
this is Roger Goodell`s league and he has the opportunity to maybe make up
for completely blowing this in the base with Ray Rice and trying to do
better moving forward. They have one chance.

SHARPTON: Dana Jacobson, thank you for your time tonight.

JACOBSON: Thank you.

SHARPTON: Still ahead, why is this judge still on the bench even though he
was arrested on domestic violence charges. The case has shows this problem
is much bigger than the NFL.

Also, key testimony from the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown, we
will go live to St. Louis.


SHARPTON: The NFL scandal has forced a long overdue conversation on the
problem of domestic violence in our country. It affects every sector of
our society. Today TV host, Meredith Vieira, one of the most admired and
successful women in America, release a powerful video of her own struggle
with an abuser.


VIEIRA: Then it went beyond that to actually taking his hand and grabbing
my face and saying, I could ruin your career if I wanted to and no one
would watch you.


SHARPTON: It`s time for this to stop. We`ll have much more on that ahead.


SHARPTON: A massive manhunt is on and a Pennsylvania town is shaken to its
core. For five days police have been looking for Eric Frein, a 31-year-old
man accused of a brutal murder. After firing at police during a shift
change at their barracks on Friday, Corporal Byron Dixon was killed in the
attack. And a trooper was seriously injured and is recovering following
surgery. Frein is an experienced shooter. His father says, quote, "he
doesn`t miss." Over the weekend, police found his jeep off a road
partially submerged in a pond near the sea. Inside his social security
card, camouflage face paint, black hooded sweatshirts and empty rifle and
shell casings.


extremely dangerous, we have no idea where he is in the community. He has
been described as a survivalist. He has a lot of training in that
particular area. He has made statements about wanting to kill law
enforcement officers and also, to commit mass acts of murder.


SHARPTON: Police say, this brazen attack was targeted because of his anti-
government leanings. And frighteningly these sentiments are not uncommon
and in fact are on the rise.

Joining me now is former FBI profiler Clint Van Zandt and Jim Cavanaugh, a
retired ATF agent who played major roles in the five year hunt for Olympic
Park Bomber Eric Rudolph and the Washington, D.C. Snipers. Thank you both
for being here.

Clint, this guys is a survivalist, it`s been five days already, how long
could he hide from the police?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Well, we would like to think one
more day, Al. It would be all he could hide. But again, if you think back
to the 1996 Olympics in Atlanta, the Olympic Park bomber, Eric Rudolph he
managed to evade, hide in the woods somewhat similar environment. And he
managed to hide out for basically up to five years before he was
apprehended. We hope law enforcement with these 200, 300 police officers,
FBI agents and others, ATF that are out there, we hope they have an iron
circle around an area where they think he is and we hope they can close
that circle around him as opposed to having him already escape from the

SHARPTON: You know, Jim, Frein`s sister spoke with NBC News today saying,
quote, "We`re not trying to protect him. He has to suffer the consequences
but he is still our family. He is not a psycho. He was a good guy to me
at least. Last time my mom talked to him he was happy so we don`t know
where this is coming from." He is not a psycho? What`s your response to
that, Jim?

anymore. He`s cold blood murdered a Pennsylvania state trooper and wounded
another. And he is an anti-government zealot. You know we classify these
guys as valiant, any government people, some of them are members of groups.
And Clint makes a great point you know that Rudolph stayed in the mountains
here for five years, I was extensively on the Rudolph case. And you know,
he was a kind of a different duck. And this guy fancies himself in
survival mode, Reverend Al. But listen, being a fugitive is not what it is
cracked up to be. Being in the mountains no, matter how great you think
you are as a survivalist, it is cold.

And you get hungry and you get tired. And your experience you think you
have before, you could always go home to a mattress and a hot meal. So, I
would say this guy is likely to strike someone again and I agree with
Clint. I mean, he is after the police. So, if he can make a uniformed
officer, if he can spot one with the presence there, and he takes long shot
with his three away sniper rifle, that`s what he may try to do. He is most
comfortable in those mountains and he was probably there. He was last
known on foot carrying two rifles. AK-47 and a 308 and maybe some food and
some ammo. So, he has got to survive. And his danger is, you know, any
public contact is a risk for him. He has to eat any food. You know,
berries get old fast.

SHARPTON: Let me ask you this, Clint. You wrote today that Frein may have
been motivated by something larger. Quote, "He may have been functioning
as a lone wolf domestic terrorist, perhaps inspired by the Sovereign
Citizen Movement." Now the Sovereign Citizen Movement is a loss grouping
of people with ant-government leanings. They believe they are only
answerable to common law. They reject federal, state and municipal laws.
They don`t recognize you as currency. They believe all taxation is
illegitimate and the FBI classified them as a domestic terrorist movement.
What makes you believe Eric Frein might be affiliated with this group?

VAN ZANDT: Well, so far Al, so many things we`re hearing about him fit
what you`re talking about. The anti-government, the state police that he
is against law enforcement. He wants to kill law enforcement. Other
friends have suggested that he doesn`t like the federal government. He
doesn`t like any type of governmental rules that govern his life. So, all
of this put together again, you don`t have to be a card carrying member of
a group like this. In fact, there is no such thing. What you have on this
particular group, the Sovereign Citizens Movement is somewhere between a
thousand and 3,000 at the very least.

Maybe, many more individuals that subscribe to this type of philosophy.
Now, most of them Al are people who simply cheat on their taxes. They
don`t pay their taxes. They`re involved in fraud and schemes. These are
the people Al, if they don`t like you, if they don`t like a judge, they
will file a mechanic`s lien against his house to make it a legal challenge
to sell his house. But realize that in the last 12 years about eight
police officers have died at the hands of individuals who practice these
same beliefs. So the fringe of the fringe can always be dangerous.

You know, Jim, at a police conference today, police called the attack
cowardly. Watch.


UNIDENTIFIED MAN: This attack was an ambush. Our troopers were leaving
the barracks and were shot without warning. And really had no chance to
defend themselves. It is a cowardly attack. It is an attack upon all of
us in society.


SHARPTON: I mean, if this suspect is willing to shoot and kill a police
officer, is he likely to shoot somebody else, Jim?

CAVANAUGH: Well, he could, Reverend Al. You know, he`s talked about mass
murder. But I think I agree with Clint, you know, he`s focus is the anti-
government and the police. And, you know, he stalked this killing out. He
shot that trooper at a distance. I would say that tells you is he wants to
do it again. I mean, the stand-off of a sniper is I can get away and I
want to do it again. So I think the most danger is to the police in the
region and the mountainous territory there, the FBI, the ATF agents, the
state troopers, all the SWAT teams are there, they`re in danger. Because
this guy can bring the police to bear just by starting shooting at some
people somewhere because the police responds.

So that`s what he wants. He wants to kill government officials, police and
he likely is, that same mindset as Clint described the sovereign citizen,
that`s accurate. They hate the government, they don`t want any law, they
don`t want any rule. They become obsessed, fanatical, they get firearms.
This guy was even a re-enactor. Re-enactors are bad people but this guy
obsessed with being a soldier somehow and of course it is a cowardly act.
He shoots down someone at a great distance. Sniper is an extremely
cowardly act unless it is something in warfare, you know, where we have
enemies in warfare. These guys are just lunatics. So, he needs to be
caught before he kills.

SHARPTON: I`m going to have to live it there, Clint Van Zandt and Jim
Cavanaugh, thank you both for your time. You know, we are setting this in
a real serious context because we`re seeing fears about the sovereign
citizen movement. Popping up all over the country. You know, according to
a new survey conducted by a national terrorism research group, the
Sovereign Citizen Movement was the top concern of law enforcement. Eighty
six percent of those interviewed agreed that this movement posed a serious
terrorist threat. The highest of any group inquired about. We do not know
that this guy was part of it but that fact that it is being raced and is
being invested should cause even more concern.

SHARPTON: Coming up, Michael Brown`s killer testifies before the grand
jury and the pressure grows for the prosecution to act. We`re live in St.
Louis. Plus, the issue of domestic violence in the spotlight. This
federal judged beat and dragged his wife. And he`s still had a job judging

And Meredith Vieira opens up with a personal story, revealing her
experience with domestic abuse. Stay with us.


SHARPTON: The Ray Rice beating scandal has brought a laser focus on the
issue of domestic violence. After a national outcry he`s been suspended
indefinitely. But what about this man? Alabama Federal Judge Mark Fuller.
He was arrested on domestic violence charges last month. His arrest came
after his wife told police her husband pulled her hair, dragged her, kicked
her, and struck her in the face. Then she called 911.


911 DISPATCHER: What`s going on?


911 DISPATCHER: Excuse me?


911 DISPATCHER: OK, with yourself and who else?

FULLER: I`m calling. I need help.

911 DISPATCHER: What`s your name?

FULLER: Kelli Fuller.

911 DISPATCHER: OK. You need an ambulance?

FULLER: Yes, please.

911 DISPATCHER: Kelli? Kelli! OK. She needs an ambulance. I`m sending
the police. They`re in a domestic fight now at the Ritz-Carlton.

FULLER: Please help me. He`s beating on me.


SHARPTON: Judge Fuller`s arrest got a lot of local attention but check out
his plea deal. He will undergo drug and alcohol evaluation. Attend a
family and domestic violence program once a week for six months. And if he
does that, his record will be cleared. His arrest charge wiped away
opening the way for possible return to the bench. So it raises the
question. Is this justice?

Joining me from Birmingham is Kent Faulk, a report he with And
criminal defense attorney Seema Iyer, she has tried hundred of domestic
violence cases. Thank you both for being here.



SHARPTON: Kent, where is this story right now?

FAULK: Well, right now, Reverend, there are a lot of calls for the judge`s
resignation. Because he is an article III judge which means that it would
take an act of Congress impeachment to remove him unless he voluntarily
resigned. And this afternoon, Senator Richard Shelby, republican from
Alabama, has called for his resignation. So yesterday, so had Congressman
Terri Sewell. So, the calls --

SHARPTON: So you have -- you have a bipartisan, you have Congresswoman
Terri Sewell, you have Shelby who is a republican, all calling for his
resignation. Has the judge responded?

FAULK: Not that I know of as of yet.

SHARPTON: Seema, let me go to you. The incident before the incident
report. Let`s go right to that. It says the police arrived on the scene,
they found broken glass and hair on the floor. Blood found in the bathroom
and cuts in the mouth and forehead of Judge Fuller`s wife. And yet Judge
Fuller could return to the bench. I mean, he would render judgment on

IYER: As he has been doing, Rev. The bigger problem is why was not he
arrested for a felony? I was speaking to one of your producers about this.
And he was so confused why is a misdemeanor ending up as a possible
dismissal. But the starting point is that you have a woman who was abused
physically, has physical injuries, received medical treatment, there is
destruction of property in that room. Blood on the floor. Why did they
not arrest him on a felony? Bless you, Rev.

SHARPTON: Yes, thank you. Well, let me go back to you Kent on this. What
is the response in the community? I mean, you`re telling me about the
senator and Congresswoman Sewell. What does the community say? What is
the response?

FAULK: Our readers have been overwhelmingly for his resignation, pushing
for his resignation. I`ve read in the reader comments to our online
stories. There is, you know, a lot of talk within the community.

SHARPTON: I understand there was an editorial in your paper calling for
him to resign.

FAULK: Yes, sir. Our editorial board has asked him to resign. So have
several other newspaper editorial boards throughout the country, I mean,
through the state.

SHARPTON: You know Seema, this is a critical issue. Meredith Vieira got
personal on her show opening about her experience as a young woman with
domestic violence. Listen to this.


MEREDITH VIEIRA, TALK SHOW HOST: And then there was the night that I, we
shared an apartment and he threw me into a shower naked in scalding water.
And then he threw me outside into the hallway. We lived if an apartment
building. And I hid in a stairwell for two hours until he came again
crying. Said I promise I won`t do this again. And I continued to stay in
that relationship until I was offered a job in another state. And that`s
where I felt I had the ability to get away. So when people talk about
domestic violence, it is really, really a complicated issue.


SHARPTON: Powerful moment. But Seema, you handle hundreds of these cases.
And that`s an example of how hard it is for people to get out of these
relationships that we would assume is very simple.

IYER: Because battered women`s syndrome is a psychological condition. It
is almost a brain washing by the abuser. I`ve done this as a prosecutor
and as a defense attorney. And as a prosecutor Rev, I`ve had women in my
office where I would keep them there all night, I would lock the doors and
we begged them to prosecute and they won`t do it. Because you have to
reverse this psychological trauma that they have undergone perhaps years at
that point.

SHARPTON: I haven`t had a chance to talk to you since the Ray Rice story

IYER: Right.

SHARPTON: What do you think? How do you see that?

IYER: Well, it is difficult. Because I think there`s this, you know,
confounding issues of what Roger Goodell knew and what the NFL should do
and then Ray Rice. I think the reality is you`re trying to interpose an
economic argument. The NFL is a business, they care about money. And if
we as a public are so stupid to think that the NFL cares about the players
or their wives beyond the money they can make, you know, I have a bridge
around the corner to show you.

SHARPTON: Well, I`m going to have to leave it there. Kent Faulk, Seema
Iyer, thank you both for your time tonight.

IYER: Thank you.

FAULK: Thank you, Reverend.

IYER: Still ahead, the officer who shot and killed Michael Brown testifies
before the grand jury. It`s big news. But why is the prosecutor saying
there might not be a decision on charges until January?


SHARPTON: Michael Brown`s killer testifies in front of the grand jury.
That`s next.


SHARPTON: Developing news out of Ferguson, Missouri tonight with the
firestorm engulfing the prosecutor in-charge of the Michael Brown`s
shooting investigation. The St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch has
extended the grand jury until the end of the year. The jury now has until
January 7th to make a decision on charges. And it comes as we learn that
Michael Brown`s killer, Officer Darren Wilson, testified before the grand
jury just yesterday. NBC News has not confirmed this but according to the
St. Louis Post Dispatch, Wilson testified for almost four hours. So they
heard from the shooter. We heard from witnesses. Why would the grand jury
be delayed? Why do they need another 16 weeks?

Joining me now is Lizz Brown, attorney and columnist for the St. Louis
American. Thanks for being here.

LIZZ BROWN, ATTORNEY: Thank you for having me, Reverend.

SHARPTON: Lizz, Officer Wilson has testified. So, why do we have to wait
16 weeks for the grand jury?

BROWN: We could have asked that two weeks ago, three weeks ago. We
haven`t needed the amount of time that has been given to this grand jury to
prosecute this case, to seek and find an indictment. There`s no reason for

SHARPTON: I mean, we know who did the shooting. There is no question that
the young man is dead. We know the cause of death. We`ve heard from seven
witnesses publicly saying something. Now they`ve heard from the policeman.
So, why do they need to delay the answer or delay their results? Three

BROWN: There is a political reason for this. And there`s a strategical
reason for this. There is not a legal reason for this. The political and
strategic reason for this is they are trying to test the resolve and to
make certain or to hope that people calm down and the issue becomes another
issue. This is all about timing. It`s about dragging it out. Dragging it
into winter. Assuming that there will not be the passion, the furry or any
of the action that will take place if the non-indictment came down today.

SHARPTON: But the question becomes, and as you know when many of us came
in. And I had to request to the family. Opposition was not to judge where
evidence goes but to make sure it is a fair process. This smacks as being
totally unfair. The federal government needs to come in because how do you
delay something when the obvious is there and you`ve heard from all sides?

BROWN: And not only that Reverend, let`s look at what they`ve allowed to
happen. The police officer has testified according to the Post Dispatch.
Now, why is he testifying? Now, is he the person, is he testifying first
before any of the other witnesses? From all reports it doesn`t appear that
any witnesses have been subpoenaed to come in and testify in front of that
grand jury? So, what does it do if Darren Wilson gets to testify first?
He gets to set the tone, all questions then will be attempted to be fit
into his narrative. And we also have to understand and make sure that we
remember this, that Darren Wilson is the defendant. Darren Wilson is the
defendant. What does that mean in this case? It means that the defendant
got to write the police report. The defendant got to write that.

SHARPTON: And clearly, he is not obligated as the suspect, as the
defendant to go in front of the grand jury at all.

BROWN: He is not. But the only reason that his attorney would have
allowed him to go in there and to testify, and to testify for four hours,
is because it is a friendly environment. It is an environment that is
friendly towards police officers. That`s not a rap against the grand jury.
That`s simply what it is. And also, he has been allowed to testify after
he`s listened to all of the evidence that is going to be put against him.
And he is allowed to testify with the blank police report. So it is a
perfect environment for this person to go in and testify. And if the Frein
case -- the defendants attorney.

SHARPTON: There are no police reports, blank police reports.

BROWN: That`s correct.

SHARPTON: He has heard what the witnesses are saying.

BROWN: That is correct.

SHARPTON: And the D.A. decides what is in front of the grand jury or not.

BROWN: Absolutely.

SHARPTON: And now the D.A. announces, and by the way, I`m going to need
another 16 weeks. And people wonder why people like me looking in from the
outside and said no to federal government needs to take this so that we
will at least know what is really happening. Because this just gives
people a sense that the process is not fair.

BROWN: This is neither fair nor impartial, Reverend. Clearly.

SHARPTON: Well, we`re certainly going to be following this and we`ll
certainly going to be really questioning what is going on with this
situation. Lizz Brown, thank you for your time tonight.

BROWN: Thank you. Thank you for having me.

SHARPTON: One of the things that I think that was clear from the beginning
is that we cannot continue to see cases being questioned by local citizens
because local prosecutors do things that make people question whether or
not they`re getting a fair investigation and therefore fair results. We`ve
called on the federal government to step in and take this case. We will
continue to do that now. This delay is something troubling. Dr. King used
to say justice delayed, justice denied.

Thanks for watching. I`m Al Sharpton. "HARDBALL" starts right now.


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