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The Ed Show for Monday, September 22nd, 2014

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September 22, 2014

Guest: Jane Kleeb, Art Tanderup, Sherrod Brown, Rand Getlin, Jim


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: From Melbourne to Berlin, to London, people took to
the streets.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We are not going down without a fight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There is no (inaudible) because we do not have

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re moving forward with a results (ph)...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I`m here with my union. We`re here to support global

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got to do this. (Inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I want our future to be safe.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don`t know why everyone is not here.


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks
for watching. Ask yourself a question. How can so many people gather such
little attention? We start tonight with an issue on -- I think every
American`s mind and that is climate change, you`re either a believer or
you`re a denier. But the media in this country decides that over 300,000
people in New York City isn`t quite enough to be a story.

I find it astonishing. I think the media is not covering climate change to
the way it should be covered because they know that Washington is broken
and they know politically. It just might not be a reality in our lifetime.
Now, if that was an impeachment rally for President Obama, oh I think
there`ll be all kinds of coverage because that is a political reality if
the Republicans win the senate.

For years politicians have pledged action on climate change. They go home
give a lip service but very little is ever happened. Now, is this public
pressure that we saw going to grow? Is this public pressure we saw in New
York City going to make a difference? It might. The Rockefeller family,
big story today, they have announced their charitable organization will
begin divesting funds from oil companies. I read that this morning and
said, Wow, that`s a bold move considering the late John D. Rockefeller
built his fortune on founding the Standard Oil Company.

Really? They don`t want to make money of oil anymore after all their
family history? The Rockefellers, interestingly enough timed their
announcement with tomorrow`s opening of the United Nation`s Climate Change
Summit in New York City. More than a 120 leaders including President Obama
from around the world will attend tomorrow summit at U.N. Headquarters in
Midtown Manhattan.

Now, the President will address the general assembly and he`s expected to
announce new actions the administration is going to be taking on climate
change. President Obama will call on other world leaders to combat climate
change with meaningful action. What is that?

Earlier today, Secretary of State John Kerry kicked off New York City`s
climate change week with an impassioned speech. Kerry announced that our
country, the United States will contribute $15 million to start a World
Bank carbon emissions auction program. Sounds good. Who else is on board?

All of this is taking place in the shadow of Sunday`s massive climate
change protest in New York City. An estimated 310,000 people took to the
streets of Manhattan on Sunday. Demonstrators gathered to bring awareness.
That`s what this is about. Pay attention America, to bring awareness to
the dangers of climate change and the need for action. It was the largest
climate change rally in history.

The Ed Show, on the ground to capture the action.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want action taken and we have to participate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s time to take action on reducing plastic usage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think people needs to all get together and decide
that they care about the environment. We all need to be aware and come
together into small little changes that each of us can make this world a
better place to live.

SCHULTZ: Community, labor, states (ph) and progressive groups organized to
demand action.

REV. LENNOX YEARWOOD, ACTIVIST: We gathered on the streets at this
affordable time when the U.N. is meeting on Tuesday for that special summit
then it can put us on a position that they can see that the people really
care about this issue, that it isn`t the comfort zone - normal meeting but
we can also add urgency to the process as well.

ALAN BURCHELL, FOUNDER URBANSTRONG.COM: One of the biggest things that
we`re on insisting on...

... a carbon tax. I mean the real true cost, the social and the
environmental costs of manufacturing practices and energy production.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re here to protect our land, our water -- and really
the stewards of land. I have a young lady here with me today that I
brought to show the people who we are protecting. We`re not only
protecting the Native American people, I think children we`re protecting
all of them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people in Washington and people in the U.N., and
the people on the world that the 1 percent of the people that control
everything and make all the money they don`t care because they`re greedy.

SCHULTZ: Americans are trying to send a message to elected officials that
tackling climate change, an issue that is often taking a back seat in
Washington should be a priority.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: And one of the great embarrassments that
I don`t mean to overly partisan, but at the time when the scientific
community is overwhelmingly in agreement that climate change is real,
enforced by human activity. We have a major political party called the
Republican Party which denies them.

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, (D) RHODE ISLAND: I think there are a lot of
Republicans who want to come over. They`re scared of the Koch brother`s
money (inaudible) political in Washington with a bit more push.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re the future of this country whether -- whoever is
in charge likes it or not.

So it`s up to us to really take the charge and take this climate justice
fight to them.

SCHULTZ: Students for more than 300 college campuses from around the
country mobilized.

LIA GONZALES, STUDENT: Take a bike, walk, you know, get exercise wherever
you can to save the planet.

SIMARJOT, STUDENT: All of us. All of has to come together for a change to
happen and we are the next generation. We are going to be the change.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let them know that this is what your vote is depending
on. Let them know that this is a serious issue. This is going to affect
you and your children and your children`s children.

SCHULTZ: Many parents and grandparents wanted to emphasize the need to
protect their children`s future.

RICHARD GOULD, SOCIAL HISTORIAN: I`m a grandfather. I worry about them
and what type of world are we really giving them in terms of the burn of
air pollution, potential asthma, infectious diseases.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Our voice matters that it`s not just keep on running
the world.

HOWARD EHRMAN, GRANDFATHER: I have three grand children. I`m here because
I want them to live not just as old as I am at 67 but to live in a better
world than we have.


SCHULTZ: If there was ever a time for Congress to capture momentum and
move forward to fight climate change I would think it is now. Now, the
deniers out there hide behind one thing and that`s called, as we all know,
Citizens United. That`s their firewall. If they can maximize every effort
behind Citizens United and keep that as the law of the land, they`re going
to be able to tort any effort on climate change, unless people do what
these folks did on Sunday in New York City. That may not be the last

The American people are onboard. It`s just a matter of whether they
believe things can happen on Washington. World leaders including the
world`s largest polluter, China, they`re onboard. Now, it`s time for the
Congress to act but of course they`re not going to act until after the
election because they`re back home getting reelected.

Get your cellphone`s out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Is the mainstream media asleep at the wheel on climate change?
Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can go to our blog at and leave a comment there. We appreciate it. We`ll bring you
the results later on in the program.

For more, let me bring in Executive Director of Bold Nebraska, Jane Kleeb
and also Nebraska Farmer and Anti-Keystone XL Activist Art Tanderup and
Dallas Goldtooth of the Lower Sioux Dakota Nation, great to have all of you
with us tonight. Obviously you were at the march yesterday in New York

Jane, you first, all of the money is with coal. All of the money is with
oil. How do you view these move by the Rockefeller family to divest after
being involved with oil all of these years? What does this signal in your

those fossil fuels are really the energy of the past, and so the
Rockefeller family has really been investing in grassroots communities even
like Bold Nebraska, making sure that we have the resources to make sure
that our local voices, the voices of farmers and ranchers for Bold Nebraska
are on the front lines of the climate fight and so now they are taking that
step further.

They`re saying essentially a very simple and bold message to the investment
community that no Tar Sands and no coal. And I hope that more foundations
as well as all these businesses start to take that step as well.

SCHULTZ: What about the coverage Art? There didn`t seem to be too much
mainstream media coverage. You came all the way from Nebraska, are you
disappointed about that?

ART TANDERUP, NEBRASKA FARMER: Yes I am. Obviously, you know, we just did
not see that much out there yesterday. And, you know, this is a big thing.
This is our future. This is our children`s future and we`re, you know,
it`s just basically being ignored, you know, just like, you know, they
don`t want to face reality. They don`t want to do something about climate
change. They don`t want to do things like stop the Keystone XL Pipeline.
You know, it`s just a total inaction. It`s corporate greed and not what`s
best for the people, the country, and the world.

SCHULTZ: Dallas, how can President Obama go to this climate change rally
at the U.N., give a big speech on what everybody has got to do and yet,
give the stamp of approval to the Keystone XL pipeline? It would seem to
me that the President would be somewhat hypocritical. I mean the facts are
very clear that this is going to add to global warming. It`s going to add
to the climate change that we`ve been experiencing if we bring in the Tar
Sand`s oil. Do you think this rally is going to have an impact on the
President`s decision at all?

-- (inaudible) just right, how can he say one thing and do the other. It`s
pretty crazy. A point of clarification, I`m here representing the
indigenous environmental network as one of the center of focus
organizations, helping put together the indigenous delegation for the

And, it is a hope of this march to really galvanize the nation and really
kind of put some energy, and show people that this is not a small majority
and the majority of people that really -- or small minority of people are
really wanting to make season change on how we approach climate. And --
even though there`s not much media attention out there I do see some media
I think, still going to register some people. I still see -- I think that
400,000 people is nothing you can`t easily ignore.

And for us on the ground it really was inspiring for those of us that were
there and for 400,000 people that were marching to this city. It was a
pretty amazing experience.

SCHULTZ: Jane, your thoughts on Keystone XL? Was that a big conversation
in this march yesterday? I mean this is the next big thing when it comes
to a decision on the environment outside of all the speeches that everybody

KLEEB: Yeah. No, that`s absolutely right and so, you know, during the
march we were obviously honoring those that are on the front-line of
climate crisis right now. So those Sandy victims, those folks that are on
the coal export mining front-line communities.

And this next weekend with the Harvest, the Hope Concert with Willie Nelson
and Neil Young, we will literally be on the front-line, the front-line of
the fight against Keystone XL. And we hope that bringing in those
celebrities Willie Nelson, Neil Young, Lukas Nelson that it will show the
President that it`s not only the kind of Hollywood elite that oppose this
pipeline, there are farmers and ranchers, indigenous communities, native
folks that care about protecting their land and water.

And you cannot continue to give the pass to politicians who just want to
give us talking points. And so we called the concert Harvest the Hope to
say to President Obama, you promised us hope and we are holding you
accountable to that message. And so you`ll see on the stage a large
message of Harvest the Hope and not owe is going to be the president`s owe.
We are keeping him accountable and we will not let him -- the only decision
that we will accept on climate is a rejection of Keystone XL.

SCHULTZ: Art, you came from Nebraska to go to this. What did you hear?
What were people talking about? What are they concerned about? I mean,
when you look at Washington, there is no movement whatsoever so how is this
going to work?

TANDERUP: Well, that`s, you know, that`s really a question and we are
hoping that, you know, you get 300,000-400,000 people together and people
should listen to that. And you hear people out there on the street talking
about the pipeline. People are saying this is the first thing that`s got
to be stop. We`ve got to do this, next and that`s going to set a pattern.
People are talking about renewable energy. They`re talking about, you
know, solar, wind, you know, more ethanol, more biodiesel and that sort of

So getting clean fuels and winning ourselves of the fossil fuels, ending
the fossil fuel era. It`s time to move forward. People see this. They
know it`s got to be done and I think we`ve got a generation out here that`s
coming up that is going to continue to put pressure on our politicians and
we certainly hope that, you know, the politicians aren`t doing the right
thing, that we`ve vote them out of office. That`s what we`ve got to do.
We`ve got to get people in there that realize that this crisis is genuine.
This crisis is something that has to be dealt with immediately. We can`t
wait 10 years. It`s got to start happening now.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Dallas, as a Native American, how important is it for the
government to combat climate change when the Native Americans have been
discarded on so many fronts? Can you get the attention of our government
to do something?

GOLDTOOTH: I think we can. I think there are definitely some legal ways
on how, you know, there`s a nation to nation relationship is establish
between a lot of our tribes and the federal government. And I think that`s
our avenue in order to communicate and encourage the U.S. government and
basically tell them you have to uphold that relationship.

And the rules and the path that we are taking, we hope that United States
signs on to that as well. You know, the main thing for indigenous
perspective is -- one of the primary contributors to the path of
destruction that we`re currently on is we have -- is the value that you put
on the earth. You know, we have to step away from that. This is our
mother earth. This is our -- you can`t have an economy based on whether
the dollar amount of the lands and whether you put a dollar amount on the

And there`s a -- for the indigenous delegation here, at the people`s
climate march and a lot of the work that we`re doing is also calling for a
rejection of the carbon market because it`s just a continuation of the same
thing. You`re putting a value on planet earth. You can`t have a system
based on that. I was just going to -- we keep -- been doing the same

SCHULTZ: Dallas Goldtooth, Jane Kleeb, Art Tanderup, great to have you
with us tonight. Thanks for being a part of it all. I appreciate your
time here on the Ed Show.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter@Ed Show and @wegoted. Like us on
Facebook and thanks for all so much for letting us know what you think on
this story.

Coming up, breaking news on the Ray Rice story. Here we go again. We`re
following a press conference with Ravens Head Coach John Harbaugh after new
comments from the team owner. We`ll have the latest coming up. Plus the
Ed Show is on the ground at Minneapolis this weekend talking to Viking fans
about the future of Adrian Peterson.

But first, slick politics, Senator Sherrod Brown joins me next to discuss
the future of big oil in the wake of the Rockefeller family decision.
We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Keep in touch with us on Twitter at
Ed Show and on Facebook. You can get my podcast at,, and on iTunes.

Time now for Trenders. What`s hot, what`s not? The Ed Show Social Media
Nation has decided. We`re reporting.

Here today`s top trenders out there voted on by you.


SCHULTZ: The number three trender, gatecrasher.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: An embarrass secret service has yet to fully explain
how an intruder made his away from the street unto the White House grounds
and through the front door.

walked into the White House that it actually was unsecured is a troubling

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The suspect 42-year-old, Omar Gonzalez is an Iraq war
veteran and had 3.2 inch knife in his pocket.

SCHULTZ: An intruder has White House reviewing its security policies.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Secret Service Director Julia Pierson has step (ph)
up surveillance and patrols along Pennsylvania Avenue.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Secret Service is considering setting up screening
checkpoints for pedestrians.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A White House official says the President has spoke
confident in the agency and its investigation.

SCHULTZ: The number two trender, on the ground.

The United States has going to be sending 3,000 military personnel in an
effort to combat the worst Ebola outbreak in world history.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a global problem and the U.S. must the lead

SCHULTZ: More American troops land in Africa to combat the Ebola epidemic.

The Pentagon will send engineers 17 treatment centers in Liberia.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re putting their lives on the line to try to save
other lives and stop suffering.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We must act immediately and decisively to bring healing
and stability to people of West Africa.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, slick politics.

SANDERS: The future of this country is not where the burning of oil and
coal and fossil fuels.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Rockefeller family which made their vast fortune
on oil has announced it will begin divesting from fossil fuel companies.

SCHULTZ: Corporate divestment from big oil puts the focus on government

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At a time when big oil companies were making more money
than ever before, we`re still giving them 4 billion or your tax dollars in
subsidies every year.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... it could be going towards development of clean
energy. Instead it`s going into the pockets and cockers (ph) Of the worlds
richest companies.

SANDERS: We`ve got to end all of the subsidies of all of the tax breaks
that go to the oil companies.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, Senator, great
to have you with us tonight. I know you`re on the right side of this

The Rockefeller brothers fund was of 50 foundations to announce that
they`re divesting from big oil companies, what does this mean and what is
you reaction to this move and how big impact do you think it`s going to

SEN. SHERROD BROWN, (D) OHIO: Well I think it get underscores how other
climate deniers are wrong. That the oil industry with all it`s power in
Washington, they can`t control everything.

As you just showed, oil industry it`s getting $4 billion a year in
subsidies the far-right. When they complain about federal investment in
solar, they never remember to mention $4 billion subsidy in oil industry.
And that`s because they`re not, you know, the far-right Tea Party folks
aren`t getting -- they are getting contributions from big oil and not
people that want to see alternative energy. But, it`s another good
development in moving towards better energy policy.

SCHULTZ: Why do we give $4 billion of tax payer dollars in subsidies to
big oil companies while they make record profits? What -- I mean, was is
it research in development, is it because they hire people is that what
they tell Congress and everybody goes along with this? What`s at the root
of this and what`s going to change it?

BROWN: Well, it`s the same reason that Congress won`t fix too big to fail.
The same reason that Congress and too many issues on tobacco, on e-
cigarette that Congress -- too many of the House and Senate are to close to
these special interest groups. And we`ve tried a number of times on the
Senate floor to eliminate these subsidies for big oil.

Each time the oil industry organizes -- gets its acolytes in Congress for
lack of the better term, to filibuster and stop us from doing it. We can`t
even get a hearing in the House on those kinds of issues because of Exxon
and the big oil companies funding, the way that big tobacco funds and oil
companies in Wall Street fund Tea Party members.

And, it just means that that`s why these elections matter this fall. It
means that -- why we have to hold the Senate and make sure that people, to
think this way, don`t have majority in the Senate and don`t add (ph) to the
majority in the House.

SCHULTZ: So, the Rockefeller`s move right here is probably going to
motivate voters and bring forward awareness before it`s going to shake
anybody in Congress. I mean, that`s how -- I pretty much read this -- with
the grip that big oil has on Congress, the grip that coal has got on
Congress -- we maybe light-years from that turning around. I mean, it
takes power.

It would take a 60, you know, seat, member by the Democrats, filibuster
proof and everybody get on the same page to break this cycle, isn`t that

BROWN: Yeah, or it would take Republicans that are on the ballot this year
or in two years to realize they`re on the wrong side. I mean, we`ve seen
the minimum wage vote and sometimes flip 10 or 20 votes in the Senate or 40
or 50 in the House. When incumbent realize the public -- that not only
does the public strongly support the minimum wage but that are actually
going to vote for candidates for the minimum wage, they`re going to vote
against the candidates who opposed the minimum wage and vote for pay
increase as for themselves.

The other thing that`s happening, I think Ed. Toledo, Ohio in this year,
500,000 lost their drinking water for three days for a couple of reasons.
One of them is the torrential rains pushing fast, you know, basically
causing more runoff of phosphates into the Maumee River into the western
basin of Lake Erie.

Its climate change in part that caused these 500,000 Ohioans in Northwest
part of the state. They`re drinking water. More and more people, it`s not
just fires in the west and it`s not just floods in the east. It`s not just
-- it`s all of these kinds of things we`re seeing because of climate

And more and more voters are realizing that. More and more politicians are
realizing they`re on the wrong side of history. They either change or
they`re looking for a job after the next election or the next two

SCHULTZ: Senator Sherrod Brown of Ohio, good to have you on the Ed Show.
I appreciate your time tonight. Thank you.

BROWN: Thanks.

SCHULTZ: Thanks a lot for being here.

Coming up, moments ago, the Ravens responded to an ESPN report alleging
team executive asked for leniency regarding Ray Rice.

Stay with us, we got the latest. Plus, religious crusader Pat Robertson
doesn`t believe the Airforce should exercise the first amendment.

But next I`m taking your questions Ask Ed Live just ahead on the Ed Show.
Stay with us, we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate the questions. We do
this every night in our Ask Ed Live segment.

Our first question is from Fred. He wants to know, "Is there an issue that
can get people to vote in November?" How about just thinking about what it
would be like if the Republicans had the Senate and the House? If that
doesn`t motivate you, I don`t know what does. Do you think that Congress
hasn`t done anything now? Wait until the Senate is owned by the

I guess you could say fear. Maybe fear will get people to vote. Its still
the economy and already you better off today that you were two or four
years ago. I think people ask that basic question.

Our next question is from Lenora. She wants to know, "Were you impressed
by the number of people that attended the climate rally like I was?" Well,
310,000 people that was the reported number. That`s nothing to shake your
bones at -- I mean, I hope that if there`s any question about it that`s a
great start, but there has to be more of that.

In all of those people who were out there they need to get engaged across
the country and hold elected officials accountable. Change is hard to come
by but this a great start. It`s the biggest climate change rally ever and
I don`t think it`s going to be the last.

Coming up, we have breaking news, Ravens head coach John Harbaugh`s fixed
out about the ESPN report that question the Ravens integrity.

We`ll bring you his response next. Stay tune. We`ll be right back on the
Ed Show on MSNBC.

Market Wrap.

Stocks fall across the board, the Dow down (ph) to 107 points, the S&P
drops 16, and the NASDAQ ends down 52 points.

Apple says it sold more than 10 million of its new iPhones in three days.
And that was a record but shares were little change on that news.

As for the economy, home resales unexpectedly fell last month. A 1.8
percent drop ended a four-month winning streak. Investors will look over
report on new home field on Wednesday.

And that`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We have some breaking news tonight.
A short time ago, Baltimore Ravens gave a press conference regarding as
ESPN Outside The Lines report published last week on the Ray Rice

The report claims Ravens executives were given a detailed report on the
second Ray Rice video which shows the ex-running back knocking out his
then-fiancee. Instead of opting for harsh punishment, the Ravens allegedly
asked NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell for leniency which was granted "as a
favor". The favor allegedly resulted in Rice`s two games suspension.

The Ravens released statement saying that the article contained numerous
errors, inaccuracies, and false assumptions. Today Ravens owner Steve
Bisciotti questioned the article`s sourcing.


STEVE BISCIOTTI, BALTIMORE RAVENS OWNER: I think that what`s obvious is
that the majority of their sources are people that worked for Ray. Almost
everything in there is anonymous, but it`s clear from the subject matter
that it`s Ray`s attorney, it`s Ray`s agent, and it`s Ray`s friends.

And, you know, they are building a case for reinstatement and the best way
to build case for reinstatement is to make everybody else look like they`re

So, their accusations didn`t jive for what we know is fact.


SCHULTZ: Bisciotti went on to say he is sorry for not demanding the video.


BISCIOTTI: There is no excuse for me to have not demand that video except
that I wasn`t concerned or interested enough to demand it, never crossed my
mind. I`m sorry for that -- deeply sorry for that.


SCHULTZ: A short time later, Ravens head Coach John Harbaugh addressed the


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is this a watershed moment where you going to had to
present differently -- organizations are going to have present themselves
differently to look more transparent even.

JOHN HARBAUGH, RAVENS HEAD COACH: You know, I don`t know. I mean, I
haven`t given any thought Peter. You know, it`s really not something I`m
too involved with right now.

It`s good question, a fair question. You know, we said a week or two ago
all of these -- and I know how quick, you know, we are to handle things all
the time. But the good thing is things come out and we tried to our best
to get better whether it`s football or life. And through all these because
there are lots of good people, you know, involved in every level in on the
outside. You know, good things are going to come out of this.

You know, we`re going to improve. You know, everybody is going to improve
and as a society we got a lot we can improve on, you know, everywhere. So,
if that`s the motivation for all of us, you know, inside, out, media, in
sports. And that`s a good thing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When Steve was out here and talked about the
organization being beaten down for its lack of integrity, the ESPN story.
Did that bother you -- and does it bother you that, you know, people are
questioning the Ravens way?

HARBAUGH: Well, I guess you just have to determine whether how much, you
know, when you`re in football you pretty much get used to that. You know,
you pretty much get used to being under attack when you do your best and,
you know, people criticize you, you know, that`s kind of the nature of what
we`re in. So, I don`t think it`s unusual in this arena. But, I can`t
worry about it. You got to try to do what`s right and do your best and
attack the next day.


SCHULTZ: First of all, I think the owner of the Baltimore Ravens Mr.
Bisciotti give a much better press conference than Roger Goodell did on
Friday representing the NFL.

There`s the old saying, "Coaches coach, players play, administrators
administrate and owners own." It was nice to see an owner come out today
and address this entire ordeal. It`s late but they are mapping it up as
far as the organization is concerned.

As far as Mr. Harbaugh is concerned, he`s a football coach. What do you
want him to do? Engineer society? He`s worried about what play he`s going
to call on 3rd and short yard (ph) on Sunday and get yet another W because
that`s what he`s paid to do.

The front office of every team in the NFL needs to buckle it up when it
comes to discipline. Discipline is the key and the only way you`re going
to change organizations in the League is to start with a whole and set a
rules and enforce them.

As far as the press conference on Friday by Goodell, he is still someone of
unguided missile. They know what they want to do but they just don`t know
how to do it.

Joining me tonight in our Rapid Response Panel MSNBC Political Analyst and
Georgetown Professor Dr. Michael Eric Dyson and also Rand Getlin, Sport
Writer for Yahoo Sports. Gentlemen, good to have you with us.


SCHULTZ: Professor where do we go from here. Is this just going to be a
rolling story all season long, and we just never get this behind us? Your
thoughts on what unfold with the Ravens today.

apparent, I agree with you. I think that Bisciotti was better than
Goodell. Goodell just appeared to be tone-deaf and just insensitive to
the ongoing travesty of having players in the league doing such horrible
things without any sense of discipline or bottom line or zero tolerance as
being promoted on the one hand and on the other covering their own skins.

The reality is here that it starts at the top. If Mr. Goodell has
repeatedly said there are no excuses for ignorance that we must to do
something and punish these players. The players are looking now and
saying, "Well, where is your punishment for yourself? Why didn`t you fine
yourself? Why don`t you simply say let me withdraw for a while and allow
the rains to be held by somebody else?"

So hopefully, this puts an end of the charade but the problem is underlying
and must be addressed. The lives of women must count. The lives of
children must count. We must not put the bottom line ahead of the moral
bottom line which is that all human being was worthy of consideration and
respect And so I think in this case, it`s a beginning but we`re far from
that end of this.

SCHULTZ: I thought it was interesting how the Ravens come out today within
the last hour and addressed this, they`re on the offence.

Rand, do you believe the ESPN or Ravens, what do you make of it?

GETLIN: I mean, the answer is the truth often has, it stands, lies
somewhere in the middle. I think that the answer lies somewhere in the
middle here. The Ravens have come out very strongly and said these things
did not occur and they laid them out bullet point by bullet point. It was
a very lengthy response.

ESPN however had a multi time Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative
journalist leading the charge on their side. The problem with the ESPN
report in my mind as a guy that has a lot of investigative background in my
world is, when you don`t print a document or video or a photograph that
proves that what it is that you`re alleging actually occurred. You get
into he said, she said situation and that`s where we stand right now.

So, it leaves it up to us on the outside to determine who has a little bit
more credos (ph) and at this point again, I think the answer is somewhere
in the middle. Did the Ravens neglect to go after this video when they
should have absolutely, but Bisciotti is owning that and saying I wish I
would have done that, I didn`t do it. In the future we certainly will not
make that mistake again and it`s difficult to combat that at this point.

SCHULTZ: Rand, how do you think the Bisciotti did today at the press

GETLIN: You know, I think he did very well all things considered. At the
end of the day what we wanted to see from the Bisciotti -- I think all of
us as human beings want to see as another human being on the end of that
camera. And Bisciotti come off as very human.

He was believable when you take it, the situation in the bank and you say
two day did I believe what he was saying, and the answer is yes.
Absolutely, I felt that he was coming from the heart and he was a very real
human being. That being said, when you really delve back into the details,
I think there`s some stop that`s being loss in translation. Certainly some
word games being played and yes, there`s an element as Michael mentioned.
People protecting themselves that make sense especially when so much is at
mistake. However he was relatively believe sitting up there in stage, and
I give him a lot of kudos for actually going up there and doing what he did

SCHULTZ: Well, you say that the truth is somewhere in the middle. I think
somebody is lying. I don`t know who it is but I think that there are two
different stories here about what has unfolded with Ray Rice. So the Ed
Show was on the ground in Minneapolis this weekend asking Viking fans about
running back Adrian Peterson`s suspension.

Here`s the clip.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m Adrian fan. He obviously made a big mistake.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s similar to Michael Vick, you know, but he allowed
to, you know, he`s obviously come back and, you know, learn his lesson.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Years ago I got the belt. I got the panel. We`re in
different times.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think he shouldn`t play football.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That (inaudible) of prosecution (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: his personal life is his personal life.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Money, don`t like greed drive what`s going on.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I disagree with what he did but I really hope that he
gets a second chance and will be successful.


SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, what`s your reaction in all of these?

DYSON: Well, they expressed the kind of, you know, conflicted feelings
that many people have. They are -- find abhorrent what Mr. Peterson did.
Inexcusable even in light of the history of punishment and the history of
spanking and the history of beating children that is part in parcel of
American society. And as I urged in the New York Times also part in parcel
of the black tradition, but the bottom line is that it was pretty horrible,
what he did.

He`s got to understand the consequences of what he did. I agree he should
have a second chance but not before understanding that you can`t go on and
"Oh I got caught this time". It has to be a change and alteration in the
entire approach and again the lives and bodies of women and children must
count significantly and primarily in -- not only the national football
league but in the culture at large.

Sports are magnifying glass held to this particular tragedy but it happens
in to broader culture as well.

SCHULTZ: There`s -- Dr. Dyson a lot of head turning here. People don`t
want to hear the story. I think that, you know, they have their team.
They have their heroes and they want it all packaged the way they want to
hear it and they`re willing to put the problem a side. I don`t how you
turn that around.

You got to face it honestly. You got to say if it could happen to him that
it can happen to any of us, and if he has made an example of, you know, God
bless them but the reality is the tragedy persist and we have to confront
it head on. That`s the only way we can do anything about it.

SCHULTZ: Michael Eric Dyson, Rand Getlin, good to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time.

GETLIN: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Coming up, Former Secretary of Defense Lion Panetta criticizes
President Obama`s policy on ISIS. Congressman Jim McDermott joins me next.
Stay with us. We`re right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, Religious Crusader Pat Robertson. The
television evangelist is not pleased by the air force`s recent decision to
make the word "So help me God" optional in the oath of enlistment.


PAT ROBERTSON, RELIGIOUS CRUSADER: There`s a left-wing radical named
Mickey Weinstein who has gotten a group about the people against religion
or whatever he calls it. And he has just terrorized the Arm Forces. You
think you`re supposed to be tough. You`re supposed to defend this and
you`ve got one little Jewish radical who is scaring the pants off of you.


SCHULTZ: The 700 club host doesn`t realize it`s not just atheist but also
some Christians whose religious teachings prohibit oats to God.

If Pat Robertson thinks only his religion is right, he can keep on


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. And finally tonight, according to
Former Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta who has also the head of the CIA
in his career. We can blame rise of ISIS on the United States leaving Iraq
too early and waiting too long to get involve in Syria.

Panetta of sat down at CBS News` 60 Minutes and said that he was in support
of arming the moderate Syrian rebels at the start of the Syrian Civil War.


key was how can we develop a leadership group among the opposition that
would be able to take control. And my view was to have leverage to do
that. We would have to provide the weapons in the training in order for
them to really be willing to work with us in that effort.


SCHULTZ: Panetta says he and other National Security Advisors
unsuccessfully urged President Obama to arm the rebels back in 2012.


PANETTA: I think the President`s concern and I understand that it, was
that he had a fear that if we started providing weapons we wouldn`t know
where those weapons would wind up. My view was you have to begin


SCHULTZ: Panetta`s comment echo claims made by Former Secretary State
Hillary Clinton last month in an interview with the Atlantic. Clinton also
connected the rise of ISIS to a lack of U.S. intervention during the Syrian
uprising. Clinton said, "The failure to help build a credible fighting
force of the people who were the originators of the protests against Assad.
There were Islamist, there were secularists and there was everything in the
middle. The failure to do that left a big vacuum which the Jihadists have
now filled."

Joining me tonight Congressman Jim McDermott of Washington. Congressman,
always a pleasure, good to have you with us.

Leon Panetta and Hillary Clinton, are they correct on this, should we have
armed the rebels in Syria sooner and would it be a different scenario?
Your thoughts?

REP. JIM MCDERMOTT, (D) WASHINGTON: My feeling was the President acted
very judiciously and I stand with the President on this.

We had President named George Bush who jumped in and without thinking about
what he was doing and guiding (ph) up over his neck in both Afghanistan and
Iraq. And President Obama looked at that and said, "No, I`m going to think
very carefully about what I do." And the questions he raised are the
questions that still exist today, exactly who are we arming and how much
should we armed them and where should we do it. Are we going to give them
just hand guns or rifles?

Are we going to give them machine guns? Are we going to give them anti-
tank weaponry? What are we going to do? When we say we`re going arm the
moderate rebels. Who are we talking about and what`s the end game in all
that? I still think the President is acting in a judicious way.

SCHULTZ: What about the vote last week. What did the President get and
where in your opinion are we?

MCDERMOTT: Well, I think he got only a half of loaf. He got the ability
to arm them. I am not sure how long it`s going to last because it end
shortly into December. So, we`re going to be back in session deciding
whether we`re going to give him the authorization to put troops on the
ground in Syria.

He says he doesn`t want it but everybody is suggesting that that`s what`s
going to happen. And I think that we have to have that debate. The
Congress has to debate this issue and give the President the authority. We
cannot allow the President to be out there making unilateral decisions
because that`s not the way the democracy works.

It is of the people. That`s where the power comes from.

SCHULTZ: So do you think that there is going to be a heated debate very
soon about troops on the ground, and what your pulse on that? Would you go
along with that?

MCDERMOTT: I personally would be very, very reluctant. You know, we got a
situation right now where the Saudis aren`t doing anything. The Jordanians
are terribly pressed by all the refugees in Jordan. The Turks are pressed
by all sorts of people going across the border in the turkey.

But still the question remains, who are those troops that are going to be
on ground if they`re not going to be Americans? And I really think that
the American people have to be confronted with this and admit that we are
committing ourselves. The general say this going to be a long war. This
is not going to be over in three months like, you know, Rumsfeld told us
we`d be in and out of the Iraq in 90 days.


MCDERMOTT: What about your nonsense? So no one should think that, going
into this.

SCHULTZ: So finally Congressman, it`s going to come back to intel isn`t
it? I mean intel is going to have to play a big part. We have to know who
these arms are going into the hands of it. Do you think he`ll ever know

MCDERMOTT: Well, I think there`s always going to be some measure of
judgment that the President -- and this is what -- this is the heavy part
of his job. He has to make a decision on imperfect intelligence. He will
never know exactly what his getting into. And I think that that`s why it`s
such a tough decision to make, but I don`t think it should be done

SCHULTZ: Yes. There are no easy options. There are no easy answers.

Congressman Jim McDermott of Washington. Good to have with us tonight sir.
Thank you.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

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