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The Ed Show for Thursday, August 9th, 2014

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Date: October 9, 2014

Guest: Adam Green, William Barber, Jennifer Epps-Addison, Mark Pocan, Ruth
Conniff, Daryl Parks

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
Live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who would have thought South Dakota (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The land of great faces and places.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One of the key states to gain control of the U.S.
Senate this November.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is complicated race in South Dakota.

about taking it back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The battle for control of the U.S. Senate.

SCHULTZ: Because that`s been the theme of your campaign.

WEILAND: Absolutely. Taking it back from the big money special interest.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we don`t win in South Dakota, a high probability
that we don`t gain back the United States Senate.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching. We
come to you from the middle of the country where there is a big senate race

We`re 25 days away from the midterm elections and the stakes couldn`t be
higher. If Republicans do take control of the United States Senate, the
consequences could damage the middle class even further and pay no
attention to the environment.

Earlier today, Ohio Senator Rob Portman laid out the Republican game plan
if the GOP takes the Senate.


SEN. ROB PORTMAN, (R) OHIO: With the majority we could immediately do
things that would help give the economy a needed shutdown. So think about
Keystone XL Pipeline. It would happen in the first couple of weeks, the
biggest infrastructure project arguably in American next year, 42,000 new

Think about tax form, the President is talking about companies who are
taking jobs overseas. We actually want to solve that problem. We can do

Now, think about regulatory relief and expanding exports, you know, things
that actually create jobs.


SCHULTZ: Well, you heard it, climate change, nowhere to be found. In
fact, the Keystone XL Pipeline is on the top of the list for Republicans.

They don`t care about climate change. They don`t care about the
environment and they`re lying about jobs.

Those 42,000 jobs Portman was talking about they are all temporary. They
won`t be around very long. We have debunked this lie time and time again
here on the Ed Show.

Democrats keeping control of the Senate is crucial for the progressive
movement in America. The Republicans think they have -- they think they`re
going to win Montana, they think they`re going to win South Dakota, and
they think they got Iowa locked up. Hold the phone.

Democrats on the ground in South Dakota think that their Senate race is
very much in play. So tonight we focus on South Dakota. The Senate race
their where Keystone is a big issue and the Democrat isn`t running away
from it.

It`s a close three-way race between former Republican Governor Mike Rounds,
who was surrounded in controversy over an economic development product that
went sour to the tune of millions, former Senator Larry Pressler is running
as an independent and many people in South Dakota think that`s a joke.
There`s nothing bipartisan about Pressler never has been. Democrat Rick
Weiland has just received support from National Democrats to the tune of
millions of dollars.

Rounds is in the lead so far at 35 percent, Pressler is polling second at
32 percent and Weiland is gaining up to 28 percent. Rounds is the only
candidates supporting the Keystone XL Pipeline, both Weiland and Pressler
are against it.

Now, Pressler is a former United States Senator from South Dakota who
served 18 years as a Republican. He has deep conservative roots close to
the Tea Party.

One Wednesday the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee announced it`s
in play. They`re going to spend $1 million on this race. The Mayday PAC
announced that they will also be spending a million dollars in supporting
Rick Weiland and going after big money.

This will keep Weiland on the air in South Dakota until the election and
that is traditionally been a problem for the Democrats to run the table.
Earlier today I was on the ground in South Dakota to size up the race.


SCHULTZ: Here in South Dakota, the Rick Weiland Take It Back Campaign is
hoping history repeats itself.

It was back in 2002 when Tim Johnson went to bed down 3700 votes and woke
up ahead 500 votes because Shannon and Todd County had not been counted.
Shannon and Todd County has heavy Native American.

If Weiland`s camp can get Native Americans to come out and vote, they think
that could be the ace in the card. And Keystone is a big player with
Native Americans here in South Dakota.

SCHULTZ: It`s too close to call in your words?

WEILAND: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: And this money could put you over the top.

WEILAND: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: OK. When you look at Pressler`s I.D. and his experience in
Washington is that a good thing or is that a bad thing from what you hear?

WEILAND: Well, you know, I think a lot of people, you know, Larry had 18
years in the United States Senate and Larry`s got a voting record and it
will get now scrutinized, I`m sure going forward.

He`s pretty much been on the sideline just doing his thing and the focus
has been on Mike Rounds and Rick Weiland. The fact that Mike Rounds is
down to 35 percent says that this is not going to the coronation that he
and Republicans thought it was going to be -- who want to though South
Dakota at this point it would be in play?

SCHULTZ: But how are you going to make up seven points on the polls?

WEILAND: I think it`s pretty easy.

SCHULTZ: Do you think that`s double? OK.

WEILAND: I think these polls are all over the map, our internals are
strong. We can close this gap.

Part of what I think happens here is that people begin to focus now on
Pressler, they have moved from Rounds as results of the EB-5 Scandal and
the fact that he didn`t do that well in his own primary. He lost 45
percent of the vote, spend all the money. He`s got two other, you know,
colleague (ph) oppressor on the race because they -- part of the Republican
Party, isn`t that in enchanting (ph) with Mike Rounds.

Now if that votes move to Pressler, I think that there`s a chunk there that
is looking for somewhere else to go. They`ve part for now because they`ve
left Mike Rounds. And I think we got a real shot at a winning a percentage
when Larry`s record gets, you know, examined a little bit. I mean, you
know, I`ll give you an example, both he and Rounds want to ultimately
change the programs of Social Security Medicare, those are big programs.

SCHULTZ: They want to privatize them?

WEILAND: The -- I think Senator Pressler`s on record saying he wants to
expand the age -- retirement age from what it currently is, and pull back
on the benefit. He wants to, to help balance the budget.

Rounds wants to go after Medicare and Social Security. I think to pay for
lion tax cut for the millionaires and big corporations which is about $6
trillion. If you of that over the next 10 years, they want to voucherize
Medicare which I don`t support. I want to open up Medicare.

I mean, that`s the thing I`ve been talking about, which I think also
connects with the people in those towns that I`m talking with, they don`t
like big insurance. They don`t want to have to be force to -- only have to
buy big insurance. They like the option.

And I get -- it`s so interesting what the Republicans would say about that.
You know, it`s putting Obamacare in steroids. Well they`re indicting
Medicare by saying that.

You know Medicare is been a program that has worked well for people in this
country. 97 cents of a dollar goes to pay for health care, 3 percent goes
to pay for salaries. That`s a little bit different in the private sector
with the big health insurance.

SCHULTZ: What is Keystone going to do to this race? You`re against the
pipeline. Your opponents are very much in favor of it.

The Native Americans are on record. The tribes have supported you. How
big a play is this going to be?

WEILAND: You know, I imagine there`s going to be a big money coming and to
beat me on Keystone would be my guess, because I have taken a very strong
position and opposition. And why I tell people, if you could just have the
conversation with the tens of thousands of people that I`ve had one-on-one,
when I sit down and tell them it`s not about jobs because there are none.
35 total -- and we don`t know if we get one of them.

It`s not about energy security because it`s an export pipeline. Most of
that oil is going overseas, so we don`t get any, so we don`t get energy
security. And, you know, it`s not about freeing up the rail lines or the
engines to hold grain. And that`s the new argument that Keystone and the
Koch brothers are trying to make, is that we`ve got a lot of grain here
that we can get to market, where if we built keystone then we`re going to
be able to tap into that with the oil from -- coming from your home state
in North Dakota will free up.

It has nothing to do with it but that`s the argument that they`re trying to
make. You know, I hope I can win that argument, you know, because I have
the facts on my side but big money has been, you know, perpetuating this
myth that this good for the country and it`s good for South Dakota. I
don`t even have to talk Ed about the environmental calamity waiting to
happen which is what the tribal nations are very concern about.

What happens to Ogallala Aquifer is that pipeline leaks? And pipelines
leak, and this is really ugly stuff coming (inaudible)...

SCHULTZ: So where do you think residents of the state stand on keystone?

WEILAND: You know, I think a lot of them are undecided because they`re not
up to speed on what`s going on. I`ve seen numbers where 50 percent really
don`t know.

So I think if we had the resources and enough time I could convince the
majority of people in South Dakota that I`m right on this issue.

SCHULTZ: Will you spend these resources educating citizens on keystone?
Will that be some of your resources go into that?

WEILAND: It possibly could be. We`ll see.


WEILAND: I mean -- yes, maybe some of the other organizations that like my
message about big money off will help me to that message.

SCHULTZ: One of the things about South Dakota traditionally is that the
polls are under sampled because of the Native American population. It`s
hard to judge how they feel on issues and it`s really hard to judge what
kind of turn out they`re going to have on Election Day.

WEILAND: Absolutely.

SCHULTZ: Is this your ace in the deck?

WEILAND: Well, I`ve been endorsed by other tribes which I`m proud to have
receive that endorsement early on. I spend a lot of time in Indian
country, in this campaign. I`ve been out about for the last -- almost a
year and half.

SCHULTZ: They`re with you on keystone?

WEILAND: Yeah, they are.

SCHULTZ: OK. Is that a motivator to them?

WEILAND: To them it`s a huge motivator, absolutely.

SCHULTZ: So you`re counting on a huge Native American turn out?

WEILAND: I`m hoping for a huge Native American turn out. They`ve turned
out in the past when they`ve been motivated. And I sense that there are
some real motivation right now not only on Keystone but they`re looking for
someone who`s going to fight for them too.


SCHULTZ: And they are voting today in South Dakota. In fact it`s a very
interesting dynamic that plays out.

The voting start six weeks before the election, so there is a big effort on
the reservations for the Democrats going on right. Another story that
we`re going to bring to you next week is the controversy surrounding former
Governor Mike Rounds.

It`s an EB-5 Visa Program that deals with investors getting automatic Green
Cards into the United States. The county, the state, the City of Aberdeen,
the county and the state lost millions of dollars, investors lost millions
of dollars. It was a beef processing plan that was never managed properly
from the start. Millions of dollars is missing. There`s been a lot of
coverage and editorial on it in South Dakota. It`s weighing heavily on
this race.

We will bring that story to you this coming Monday here on the Ed Show.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
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For more, let me bring on Adam Green, Co-Founder of the Progressive Change
Campaign Committee. And of course Adam your organization has been involved
in the South Dakota race.

The situation that`s playing out right now on the prairie, the three-way
race and a lack of money early on, but now that money is coming in to
Weiland`s camp, can this be a game changer or is it too late as you see it?

ADAM GREEN, CO-FOUNDER PCCC: This can be a game changer. Let me just say
on the front-end that there is no more -- no race is more important to
progressives and there is no race more important to Democrats right now,
than the South Dakota Senate race.

And PCCC members are proud to support Rick Weiland from the very beginning,
at this point giving over 10,000 grassroots donations to his campaign over

And, what we`re seeing right now is that this is a tight race. And, this
is a great example where progressives lead the way and the Democratic Party
infrastructure is following. And on election night, November 4th, this
could be the race to keep your eye on.

SCHULTZ: Why are National Democrats loaded jump in? They`re in now but,
you know, its 25 days away and here comes several million dollars to help
him out. Do they believe that this visa problem that the governor --
former governor has had is really the game changer here and there`s an

GREEN: That`s a big part of it. You know, Mike Rounds really has this air
of corruption around him. You know, there`s a lot of details around this
EB-5 scandal but the bottom line is that, his political donors profited by
his corruption.

And now we have this guy Rick Weiland who is the perfect person at the
perfect time with a message about, Take It Back, take back our government
from the big money interest who have captured our economy and our
democracy. He is railing for the little guy against the big guy. Talking
about how incentive tax cuts from millionaires and corporations like he
told you, we have to invest in education. Increase Social Security
benefits not cut them. And make sure that we are basically populist on
these core issues.

Let me say one more thing Ed. You know, I actually was on that 2002 South
Dakota Senate race that you talked about where we won by about 524 votes.
And my big take away that year was that prairie populism is alive and well
in South Dakota.

You have culturally conservatives farmers and ranchers, people who are pro-
life, pro-gun who are willing and proud to vote Democrat if the Democrats
are standing up boldly on economic populism and the democracy issues. And
that`s why I`d say that Rick Weiland is really the perfect candidate at the
perfect time right now.

SCHULTZ: Well with this economic populism that you talk about on the
prairie Weiland is going after big money. He`s a guy that says special
interest has spoiled American politics. And that he would be a guy who
would go to Washington and not be beholding the big money.

He is against the Keystone XL Pipeline. He is for the minimum wage, he is
for collective bargaining. He does not want to privatize Medicare and
Medicare and Social Security. I mean, isn`t he today`s Democrat?

GREEN: Yeah. Rick Weiland is part of the Elizabeth Warren wing of the
Democratic Party and that`s why PCCC members were so proud to support him
from the very beginning.

And I will say that, you know, Mayday Super PAC which you mentioned before
which is a people powered non-partisan Super PAC which is targeting corrupt
politicians in both parties and supporting those that support reform just
announce this week that they are putting a million dollars in to this race.
We are very proud the PCCC to partner with them on this reform issues.

And, that will be a big deal. And again, you know, in this case
progressives lead the way, reformers lead the way, the Democratic Party
infrastructure is kind of last of the game but it`s really great that
they`re there. And again on November 4th this could be the defining race
to push Democrats over the top.

SCHULTZ: All right, and we`ll have more on this story on Monday on the EB-
5 controversy that has unfolded in Aberdeen, South Dakota and throughout
the State.

Adam Green PCCC, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter@edshow and on Facebook. We want to
know what you think.

Coming up, Walker knows best. The Governor`s decision in keeping Wisconsin
residence living under the poverty line.

Plus, new actions to restrict voting access right before the election.
Keeping here, we`ll be right back in the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders. What`s hot in social media? Join the
Ed Team.

You can get my podcast, has it everyday along
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The Ed Show Social Media Nation has decided we`re reporting.

Here today`s top trenders voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`m not interested in your opinion, just shut if off.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number trender, Rubio repeat.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: Just as things are starting to look up, we
were hit another problem, it`s called Obamacare.

SCHULTZ: Republicans were so furious, uninsured Americans were finally
going to be getting some health care, they shutdown the government.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Marco Rubio hints at another government shutdown.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We shut that thing down and we are not going to be held
responsible for whatever happens.

RUBIO: The growing burden of Obamacare are making life harder than it
needs to be.


SCHULTZ: This number is the only thing that Republican Party has
accomplished with this shutdown. We lost $24 billion.

RUBIO: Obamacare is a disaster.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don`t shut it off. I`m warning you.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number two trender, Kentucky Snyder (ph) Chicken.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McConnell made surprise disappearance on Kentucky Sport

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Since Alison Grimes appearance on the show two weeks
ago, host Matt Jones has been badgering McConnell daily to come on the

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mitch McConnell gets blustered on air.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Host Matt Jones as he got 10 minutes notice. McConnell
repeated his opposition to raising the minimum wage, Obamacare, and Gay

MATT JONES, KENTUCKY SPORTS RADIO HOST: He just came off to me with the
angry and combatant.

getting rid of it (inaudible) pulling it out, root and branch, so far...

JONES: But that would take away, Senator, what, 500,000 Kentuckians`
health care now?

MCCONNELL: Yes, can I finish my answer?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And today`s top trender, hold position.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Republican governor of North Carolina asked the
Supreme Court to stop saying they vote a registration for the midterms.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because of the (inaudible) district, it increased the
change in precincts.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It also banned any ballot cast outside in assigned

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The Supreme Court cuts voting access.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is the kind of things the people who saw
(inaudible) we`re most fear of.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Essentially undid a lot of the progress that
(inaudible) and making voting more accessible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The people who are running in the State of North
Carolina perceive the African-American community as a block of voters that
will vote them out of office.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Doctor, Reverend William Barber, President of
the North Carolina State Conference to the NWACP, Reverend good to have you
with us tonight. This has got to be pretty much a shocking blow to the
minority community in North Carolina. What is been the response to this?

you Ed and I`m joined here by delegates of our 71st convention and right
beside me Miss. Rossa Naiten (ph), a 93-year-old, one of our lead

Listen, we lay this blame directly at the feet of Thom Tillis, the Speaker
of the House. He led the effort to pass House Bill 589 which is the worst
form of voter suppression we`ve seen since Jim Crow. He tried to suggest
it with about voter I.D. but now, we all can see and clearly, it was all
about denying same-day registration, and early voting, and denying out of
precinct ballot, which courts have agreed undisputed that it has a
desperate impact upon African-Americans.

African-Americans are 22 percent of the have electorate but 41 percent use
same-day registration and early voting. The court yesterday, the Supreme
Court simply said they would deny, you know, the state -- the injunction.
But the blame for this is the Tillis extremism. An elected the politician
who does not want people to vote, joined with Berger, joined with Governor

They call it common sense legislation but in fact, it`s a conniving attempt
to suppress the right -- and breach the right to vote of African-Americans
and also working people and other people who form a coalition that don`t
necessarily agree with their form of extremism.

SCHULTZ: Reverent, what is this going to do to the number of votes for
Democrats cast by minorities in North Carolina? How big of a number could
this affect in the state?

BARBER: Well, it can affect thousands of people because if you look back
in the past record, North Carolina, we have win in NAACP same-day
registration early voting and Sunday and Saturday voting.

We saw hundreds of thousands of people use early voting and same-day
registration. We have only one day left of registration and that is
tomorrow. So that means that a lot of people, thousands could ultimately
be denied of their right, could be a bridged.

But on the other hand, there is so much anger out here, at the way this
extremist legislator led by Tillis has denied Medicaid, denied
unemployment, denied earn income tax credit, hurt public education and
going after teachers, and now, they have gone after the most fundamental
principle of our democracy which is voting.

So I believe, the flip side Ed, is that people are going to turn their
anger into action. It is a strange thing for a person elected by votes not
to want people to vote. One of the justices asked that question, why is it
that Tillis, and Berger, and McCrory do not want people to vote? We
believe is because they`re afraid what they saw happen in 2008, when black
people and white people and Republicans and Democrats and people of our
different races, creeds, and colors came together.

That coalition in the south can change the south. They want to suppress it
but ultimately is not going to be suppressed. We`re going to vote and then
next year in court, we`re going to fight and we believe we`re going to win.


SCHULTZ: Well, what`s it going to do for this November if you`ve only got
one day remaining to get people registered to vote and you`ve seen numbers
in the past that have been very, very strong? And I have to wonder what
kind of affect is this going to have on Kay Hagan`s ability to get back to
the senate?

BARBER: Well, the reality is we didn`t wait on the courts, we didn`t wait,
we knew what they were doing since last April. In fact, they gave a signal
that they we`re going to do this March of 2013 and then the day after
Shelby -- Senator Apodaca said, now that the headache has been removed, we
can move forward and they turned a 12-page bill into 57 pages.

So Ed, we`ve been on the battlefield, Moral Monday movement has been
registering people to vote.


BARBER: We`ve been going every week county to county. You know, people
are moving in a mighty way and so what we`re going to do now is we`re going
to move those who are already registered to vote. Lastly, there are
400,000 white women and 287,000 African-Americans already registered who
didn`t vote in 2010. They voted in 2008, 2012.

We`re going to make sure that they go to the polls and we`re going to turn
this vote out like it`s never been turned out. This will be an election on
and not an election off.


SCHULTZ: Reverend has the NAACP notice any other attempts to hamper voting
rights in North Carolina other than this law that -- and this ruling that
has gone in to place.


SCHULTZ: Such as?

BARBER: Well, remember there are other dynamics of this law, they also
changed about 40 different -- they`ve allowed, you know, anybody to
basically be poll observe that can challenge a person. They`ve denied 17-
year-olds the right to register early, they`ve allow through this via more
money to be in politics in terms of how judges are fund. I think there are
about 40 changes in all.

We`ve also seen efforts behind the Tea Party. They have actually put out
distorted information which about the way is a felony. And that`s being
trialled right now before the board of election. And Senator Berger
actually put out and ad that gave the suggestion that voter I.D. is the law
of the land when in fact, the voter I.D. provision doesn`t even start to
2016 and we believe we`ll be able to be victorious against it in court.


BARBER: So they`re attempting all ways to try to suppress the vote but as
you see by this crowd and we have people representing the 71 counties this
coming -- over the next three days at this convention. We are planning a
30-day all out march to the polls like you`ve never seen before.


BARBER: 80,000 people showed up in Raleigh in February, more than that
will show up in the polls.

SCHULTZ: We have seen in North Carolina legislating discrimination, is
that how you view it? And I want you to give us pulse of the people that
are standing there with you. How furious are they about this?

BARBER: Well, let me ask them. How furious you all about what you`ve seen
this legislation do? Are you furious?


BARBER: Are you upset?


BARBER: Are you bothered?


BARBER: Are you organizing?


BARBER: You know, Ed, we have not seen in the south particularly the kind
of mobilization with Moral Monday. As I said, 80,000 showed up in
February. We`ve been at this now for 79 straight weeks. We have gone into
Mitchell County, that`s 99 percent white, 89 percent Republican organized.
We`ve gone into Eche Com (ph) County which is 96 Democrat and 60 percent


BARBER: We are finding that people are connecting because of this
extremist promise they were going to be about, preying the school and
against homosexuality but in reality once they got into office, they hurt
the poor. They hurt the unemployed. They hurt the sick. They hurt


BARBER: They hurt public education and they`re willing to even go after

SCHULTZ: Reverend William Barber, great to have you with us tonight
doctor. You`re doing some fabulous work and all the best of those folks
with you. Keep up the fight. I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks so

Coming up, Scott Walker`s decision to keep thousands of Wisconsin residents
living in poverty, Rapid Response panel weighs in.

Plus the cast of Outnumbered take a big swipe at the K18 to 35 audience,
the story ahead in Pretenders.

But next, your questions, Ask ED Live.

We`ll be right back on the Ed Show, stay with us.


SCHULTZ: Time now for Ask Ed. I appreciate the questions from our viewers
in our Ask Ed Live segment.

Tonight, our first question comes from Ray. "Doesn`t the right realize how
dangerous their Ebola and ISIS fear mongering is?"

It`s not a question of whether they realize how dangerous it is because
they don`t care. All they want to do is paint the Democrats and especially
the President as being incompetent and not able to handle the situation to
present the case that they`re just a lot better when it comes to crisis

Out next question is from Bernice. "She wants to know, why are the
Democrats running away from campaigning with the President?"

Well, unfortunately, the Democrats I think view President Obama politically
as yesterday`s news. Although his policy is clearly are working when it
comes to the economy, when it comes to health care, when it comes to saving
jobs and also manufacturing. So I don`t know.

Is it race? Is it personality? That`s a hard one. Personally, I think
it`s the policies and the records that you have to run on. And President
Obama looks pretty good in all those categories.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.


All three major indexes logging stiff losses and worries about Europe`s
economy. The Dow plunging 334 points, its worst declined of the year. The
S&N dropping 40. The NASDAQ sliding by 90 points.

The number of Americans meanwhile filing for jobless benefits fell by 1,000
last week to 287,000 near a pre-recession law.

And a tough session for GAP, share sliding more than 12 percent after sales
disappointed and its CEO announced an impending retirement.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight.

You know, it`s hard to believe that any American could survive on $7.25 an
hour. The federal minimum wage has been stock at that number since 2009.
And don`t expect the conservatives to do anything about it. It`s also the
current minimum wage in the State of Wisconsin. And if you break this
number down, an adult working full-time would earn just $15,080 a year.
Those wages, barely keep an individual above the federal poverty threshold.
Those wages failed to keep a single parent above the poverty line.

Now, 100 workers in Wisconsin have filed the complaint with Governor Scott
Walker`s administration. The coalition led by Wisconsin Jobs Now, says the
current minimum wage violates a provision in Wisconsin law. The law states
that minimum wage must be a living wage, a living wage is defined under the
law as this, "Reasonable, comfort, reasonable, physical well-being, descent
and moral well-being."

On Monday, Walker`s administration denied Wisconsinites the raise they
asked for. Walker`s administration responded by writing a letter, reading,
"The department has determined that there is no reasonable cause to believe
wages paid to the complaints are not a living wage."

I don`t trust the Walker administration`s calculations but I do trust the
folks over at MIT, The Massachusetts Institute of Technology. According to
them and their living wage calculator, a single parent living in Madison,
Wisconsin would need to make $21.17 an hour to support their family.

Joining me tonight on the Rapid Response panel, Jennifer Epps-Addison.
She`s the Executive Director of Wisconsin Jobs Now. Also with us tonight,
Congressman Mark Pocan of Wisconsin and Ruth Conniff, Editor of the
Progressive Magazine. Great to have all of you with us here tonight.

Jennifer, is this fight over? Is this settled or is there a recourse that
your organization can take from here?

absolutely not settled, look, you know, Governor Scott Walker might think
that $7.25 is a living wage but there`s no reasonable person in this
country who believe their family can survive on that amount. So the
reality Ed is that he is choosing willfully to not follow Wisconsin law and
people should understand that this is not a minimum wage law.

This law dates back over 100 years in our state and it says very clearly
that every worker in our state shall be paid a living wage by their
employer. That is clearly not happening and over 100 workers testified to
the impossible choices they`re forced to make everyday.

A woman like Britney Ferguson (ph) who`s a hotel housekeeper in Milwaukee
talked about how can he put back hot dogs and choose and choose between hot
dogs and bread at the grocery store because he didn`t have enough money to
afford it all.

There is no person in the state who thinks that -- how can you choose
between hot dogs and bread at a grocery store, means you`re living in
reasonable comfort and decency?

SCHULTZ: Ruth isn`t this statement that Walker is anti-worker, and that
this really underscores where the Republicans are? And if it`s in the law,
you know, how can he get away with it as you see it?

want to be putting this position and I really applaud Jennifer and her
group for making the point that they`re making and getting those hundred
workers together whose situation is very real and very poignant. You read
their individual stories and these are folks who are homeless, they`re on
food stamps and they`re working full-time.

And I don`t think Americans thinks how it ought to be. And so Walker would
rather not deal with it. He`d rather not talk about it, and what his
administration has said is they`ve taking a page right from the National
Restaurant Association which is the chief lobbyist against the increase of
minimum wage. To say, "Oh, it will hurt our economy if we paid workers

This is a fight that goes back to the beginning of the Progressive Era,
when the Progressive magazine was founded. This is a 1913 law and folks in
Wisconsin were on the leading edge of a movement to try to do better by
workers and they were saying we have child labor in the state. We have
people who are not able to live on what they`re getting, and let`s really
look at what it cost to live.

When you look back at the debate on this law, they said how much does
housing cost? How much this food cost? What can we really offer people?
What do we really believe people should have to put with?


CONNIFF: There was a big push back by industry and they`ve achieved a
victory here. And Jennifer is right to make the connection with the era
and that fundamental principle.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, isn`t the issue here as far as voters are concerned,
do voters who do not make minimum wage who are doing well, do those people
in Wisconsin care about those who are on minimum wage? I mean that`s
really what it boils down to. There`s not enough minimum wage workers to
make a difference in this issue and in election, but are there enough
people that care about it?

GOV. MARK POCAN, (D) WISCONSIN: You know, people in Wisconsin are hard
working but were also very kind hearted and there is vast support for
raising a minimum wage. We know that that helps people who are just get by
$15,000 a year. The real challenge here is the governor decided that
rather than trying to stand up to this image he has for being a tool of the
Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson, he could have done something right for
his constituents, for people of Wisconsin.

And instead he decided to side with the people that he wants to fund his
presidential campaign and make a stand against the minimum wage increase.
It`s a possible to get by $15,000 a year. We have those people who are
also getting subsidize health care that all of the tax payers pay for that
the governor knows. It`s part of our state programs and yet he is choosing
to side with the Koch Brothers and Sheldon Adelson rather than people of
Wisconsin. And I don`t think that`s going to so well on November 4th.

SCHULTZ: Ruth, you saw the story that we did earlier on North Carolina.
There`s somewhat of a story very similar to that that is unfolded in
Wisconsin. On Monday the Appeals Court upheld the Wisconsin stricter voter
I.D. law. What does this mean for voters, just weeks out 25 days, what`s
the response?

CONNIFF: Well the response is, people need to know how to get I.D. and
they need to plan on voter I.D. being in place because the United States
Supreme Court could intervene but it`s unlikely. And so, we`re likely
looking at voter I.D. in this coming election between Scott Walker and Mary
Burke. It`s a very tight race. They`ve been neck-to-neck in the polls.
It`s going to make a big difference.

There`s a lot of confusion out there because the governor was refused to
allocate money. The state has refused to allocate money to get information
to voters. So there are people on U.W. Campus trying to make sure students
get the proper I.D. They need a new I.D. for vote now and this emptying
out in the community.

You know, there`s a grassroots push to get voters to the DMV to get the
I.D. that they need and that, you know, getting clear information to people
and getting the I.D. that they need. There`s got to be a huge focus now
and in the run up to the election.

SCHULTZ: Jennifer how big of hurdle of this as you`ve see it?

EPPS-ADDISON: We`re ready to go. You know, harken back to Dr. Barber, we
have been on the ground working with people, making sure they have a plan
to vote since April. Folks in our community are energized, enthusing. I
think what you`re going to see with Governor Walker determined that a
Walker wage of $7.25 is a living wage, is that this is really has Mitt
Romney moment.

This is his 47 percent moment and this is our opportunity to cease upon it
and to determine what type of state we want to have. You asked the
question about, do middle class families care about poor and working class
families? Well, a recent study out of U.W. on the University of Wisconsin,
Milwaukee show that 73 percent of the folks in our state support raising
the minimum wage.

About a quarter of our state workforce is living in poverty wages right
now. So that`s means there`s a big group of people who know that raising
the minimum wage boast our economy. There are 13 referendums across the
state on a ballot that people can go out and make that determination for
them self. So we`re ready to go and we think that this might just be what
caused Governor Walker his reelection.

SCHULTZ: And Congressman, I can`t let you go without asking you the
question, why can`t Wisconsin create jobs? Minnesota is in a positive,
other states surrounding Wisconsin in the positive. What`s wrong with
Wisconsin? The state can`t create jobs.

POCAN: You know it`s not because of our people because we were extremely
hard working, you know, business would be smart are located here, but we
have a governor who since day one of getting elected governor has been
running for president. He spent a million dollars taking corporate jets to
go to Iowa and South Carolina, in Iowa New Hampshire, in Iowa. If you
notice the pattern.

SCHULTZ: You pin it on Walker.

POCAN: . this is a guy -- he is for president. He doesn`t.

SCHULTZ: You pit it on Walker.

POCAN: He is not been doing his job as governor and in November 4th we
should let him be a full-time candidate for president and we should elect
Mary Burke to be our full-time governor. That`s -- it`s really as simple
as it is.

SCHULTZ: Jennifer Epps-Addison, Congressman Mark Pocan, Ruth Conniff,
always good to have you with us. I appreciate your time tonight. Keep up
the fight.

Coming up, a fatal shooting in Missouri sparks another wave for protest in
Ferguson. We`ll bring you the latest. Stay tune.














SCHULTZ: Coming up, a new round of protest after another shooting in
Missouri, the story ahead right here on the Ed Show. Keep it here.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, emotions are running high around Ferguson,

Exactly two months ago, a white police officer shot and killed an unarmed
teenager, Michael Brown. Over night, another young black man was shot to
death by a white police officer in Saint Louis. Officials say last night
shooting occurred while the police officer was in uniform but working at an
off-duty detail for a security agency. He reportedly approached four man
who ran from him.


SAM DOTSON, ST. LOUIS POLICE CHIEF: All three did run at some point, one
of them ultimately was armed with the gun. So it certainly -- the police
office guards by and you have a gun and you`re not suppose to have a gun
and certainly you might be able to go there and see officer picked up on

I think this is another example of individuals who have guns. 18-years-
old, not a stranger to law enforcement, sees the police officer and runs.


SCHULTZ: Relatives of the dead teen are disputing the police chief`s
version of what happen. They say he was unarmed. Police said they
recovered a 9 millimeter weapon from the scene. This shooting happened
just 16 miles from the scene where Michael Brown was shot and killed.

News of the event sparked protest in the City of Ferguson, Missouri.

For more let me bring in Brown Family Attorney Daryl Parks also with us
tonight Michael Eric Dyson, Professor of Sociology at George Town
University and an MSNBC Political Analyst. Gentlemen good to have with us


SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, Saint Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said that the
officer fired his weapon 17 times after at least three shots were fired at
him. How can they be so sure this happen before any investigation? What`s
your take on this?

Well, they have not earned the trust of the public here, Ed. Three shots
fired at the officer allegedly and then 17 in response to that. They said
the weapon of the young man jammed. The family disputes whether or not he
had a weapon. They said he had sandwich in his hand. It was mistaken for
a gun.

Again, the Police Department here cannot earn the benefit of the doubt
because they have acted with such alarming disregard for black life and
disrespect for young people. Obviously, there are always instances where
there are legitimate threats to police officers in which they are obviously
prepared to respond. But again here, we don`t even have the facts so how
can the police captain, I mean the police chief be so conclusive and
confident in those conclusions without us doing a full investigation.

They put the man on leave right now, paid leave. They say an investigation
will occur but if they`ve already drawn a conclusion about what has
occurred then we`re very suspicious...


DYSON: ... about they`re investigation will find.

SCHULTZ: What do you make to that Mr. Parks?

PARKS: Without question I have to -- I want to hear what the other
witnesses to the incident may have seen or heard from the incident. I also
would want to know whether this officer was wearing body cam, and if not
why don`t they have body cam equipments. So I`d really want to see what
other evidence, other than what the officers are saying exist.

Should there must be someone -- I recalled there were other individuals who
are possibly being chased by the cops as well. I want to hear their
versions. So, I want to see what other information may say. But also, we
come to a point where we all are very sensitive to these type of shootings
when someone is killed and when someone disputes whether or not the person
was armed or unarmed.

So hopefully we can get some facts that will bring forth the truth in this

SCHULTZ: What simmers the emotions at this point? It wasn`t too long
after the protest broke out in Ferguson, Missouri just 17 miles away from
the shooting. Dr. Dyson, what`s are going take to simmer the emotions of
the community now, for instance you`ve got the Attorney General Eric Holder
who made a visit down to Ferguson.

He said on Wednesday the community policing will play a key part in
repairing tensions between residents and law enforcement. What`s the next
move Dr. Dyson?

DYSON: Well, the next move is to have this applied to those police people
who are responsible for those communities. First of all we`ve got to have
a great sense of police community. Police -- if you will community
policing because we saw with Mr. Johnson, Lieutenant Johnson, Captain
Johnson of the State Patrol that when police are in the neighborhoods from
which they have come and which they have been reared, they have a greater
tendency to look more kindly upon the people who are there and they have
better relationship.

So that proves that people are not offended by the presence of police
officers. They are offended by police officers who don`t give them benefit
of the doubt. And then secondly I think what we have to see is that when
the police are trained, they have to be trained in tactics and strategies
that allow them to engage human beings, yes in an aggressive situation they
are obviously on alert but they got to figure out ways to threat this
people like human beings.

And Ed, that`s something that goes beyond policing, they`re not born on
Mars, they`re born in the United States of America where they inherit the
same stereotypes and prejudices as everybody else.

SCHULTZ: Mr. Parks, the police say that they`re bracing for riots. Is
that overboard or is that necessary?

PARKS: I think it`s overboard Ed. I think for what I`m seeing out in the
public domain, people are getting ready to peacefully protest, what is
happened and they continue injustice for the killing of Michael Brown in
this case.

I think the folks who have come in are organized. They have the right to
be heard as we`ve learned from the court early this week. Our constitution
respects their right to be heard when folks disagree with what`s going on.
And at this time many of us, including my self, disagree with what is going
on in Saint Louis County with this officer not being arrested for the
murder of Michael Brown.

We`re now two months post Michael Brown`s death. We are still seeking an
arrest of Officer Darren Wilson.

SCHULTZ: All right, Attorney Daryl Parks, Michael Eric Dyson, Professor of
George Town, thanks for you time tonight. I appreciate it very much.

And that is the Ed Show.

I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,


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