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The Ed Show for Friday, October 10th, 2014

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Date: October 10, 2014

Guest: Raul Grijalva, Larry Cohen, Lena Taylor, Sheldon Whitehouse, Joe
Manchin, Jim Wallace

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
Live from Detroit Lakes, Minnesota.

Let`s get to work.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Let`s talk about the minimum wage.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Raising the minimum wage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re creating this mindset that we have a minimum wage

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Might be key to driving voters to the polls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Raising the minimum wage is not the answer.

SCHULTZ: It`s hard to believe that any American could survive on $7.25 an

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (Inaudible) in 10 seconds (ph) is what I`m going to
make in hour.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you will not (inaudible).

FRM. GOV. MITT ROMNEY, (R) MASSACHUSETTS: I`m not concerned about the very

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Folks, I`m sorry. I`m just a business guy.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: The job creators of America...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The job creators.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY, (D) MASSACHUSETTS: When does the greed stop?




SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching.
Senator Ted Kennedy asked that question on the Senate for back in 2007 and
we`re still asking the same question today as Americans.

And today marks National Minimum Wage Day in this country. After spending
time in Iowa in South Dakota to the last couple of days, I can tell you
that this is an issue that Americans in the middle of the country care
about. I don`t know if it`s going to move anybody in Washington.

People in the middle of the country -- no, they talk about ISIS and Ebola
but it`s not at the top of their list. They care about the economy and
they care about jobs and they care about income and equality.

And voters will no doubt have this issue on their minds when they head to
the polls on November 4th. Some states aren`t waiting for the federal
government to do anything and act on minimum wage, they`re doing it
themselves. Alaska, Arkansas, Nebraska, South Dakota, think about that.

Arkansas and Nebraska and South Dakota in the middle of the country, these
states are going to have ballot measures to increase the minimum wage in
their states. People have had enough.

Polls in these states have shown consistently that residence favor the
increase. Typically these states -- what do they do? They lean

Now, that should tell all of us something. Americans want a raise. Even
Republicans want a raise but Republican politicians are not in step with
the mainstream folks in this country. They are bucking the system.
They`re bucking what he people want.

Just look at some of the Senate races going on around the country. For
instance, in Iowa, Tea Party favorite Joni Ernst, is a very close race with
Congressman Bryce Braley. Ernst is up by just a couple of points. The Tea
Partyer thinks that the federal government should have no part on raising
the wage.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have stated you`re against a national minimum
wage and it should be determined by states. What should Iowa`s minimum
wage be?

that is something that needs to be set by the states, because our Iowa cost
of living is very low. Currently it is at $7.25 an hour.

The way we can combat this and do better for Iowa families is by growing
our economy and making sure that we have good-paying jobs to go out to,
making sure that our college graduates are finding jobs.


SCHULTZ: We should point out that Iowa is a low-wage state and some think
that Ernst dodged the question. Her opponent Bruce Braley, the Congressman
was quick to clarify her position.

very clear that she is opposed to a federal minimum wage. She would not
vote to raise it. She would vote to repeal it, and she would not raise the
state minimum wage.

That means if you`re working a full-time job on minimum wage in Iowa,
you`re going to be making $15,000 a year. I think that`s wrong.

She has called the federal minimum wage ridiculous.

You know what I think is ridiculous? That a family working full-time in
this state is making $15,000 a year.


SCHULTZ: And in North Carolina we have another close senate race. Senator
Kay Hagan is up on Republican State House Speaker Thom Tillis by four

Tillis thinks the minimum wage increase would be a job killer.


something that I believe is best left to the state versus another
regulatory overreach. We need to understand the job killing consequences
to these sorts of policies. It is not something that Kay Hagan going to
Washington should agree with Washington politicians about how we actually
deal with that issue in North Carolina.

We`re creating this mindset that we have a minimum wage economy -- I mean,
that most people are going to be on minimum wage. I want to create an
economy where minimum wage is a very brief stepping stone to higher paying
jobs so people can realize their dreams.


SCHULTZ: Tillis needs to realize that the earning power of Americans has
been reduced since 2008. But the fact is that the cost of living has gone

He`s not living in the real world. That`s not where Americans are. You
can`t trust businesses to raise wages for workers.

If the federal minimum wage didn`t already exist, workers will be getting -
- paid even less. The facts show that. And the facts are very simple that
$7.25 an hour is not enough to live on.

The cost of living has sky rocketed over the last five years. Gas is up 44
percent. And we`re still giving the oil company subsidies. Electricity is
up 9 percent. Milk and meat are up as well, 20 percent.

Meanwhile, the federal minimum wage has risen 0 percent. Now, if you think
this is acceptable I guess you`re a righty. I think it`s terribly unfair.
We talk about income inequality in this country, there you have it. It`s
up to the government to make sure it is fair. It`s up to the government
fix this problem plus, it`s a fact minimum wage increases, helped the

Tillis has no clue what he`s talking about. He can`t point to one time in
this country when we have raised the minimum wage and it has hurt the
economy. He does not have the facts on his side and the numbers are clear.

Certain states have raised their minimum wage so far this year. States
that raised a minimum wage have seen almost a 1 percent increased in the
job growth, states that did not raise the minimum wage saw half that

So, if people have more money to spend, they put it right back into the
economy. Americans like to spend money. It`s pretty simple.

Earlier today, President Obama released a web video stressing the
importance of this increase for American workers.


BARACK OBAMA, CURRENT U.S. PRESIDENT: Today, a mom or dad working full-
time on the minimum wage doesn`t earn enough to make ends meet. That`s not
right, that`s wrong. That`s why it`s long past time for us to raise the
minimum wage.

Momentum is our side. 13 states and a growing number of businesses, big
and small have answered the challenge I laid out last year and raise their
worker`s wages. Now, it`s time for Congress to step up and do what`s


SCHULTZ: The stock market going nuts, corporate profits through the roof,
life is good for the top 2 percent and you can count on one thing in all of
this, Republicans will never raise the minimum wage. It`s not an "Us
versus them", it`s a fact. It`s a political fact.

That`s why this midterm election is so critical for workers in this
country. Democrats think it is time for the government to take
responsibility and to make sure that somebody who works a full-time job
gets paid a good wage.

And you shouldn`t have to live in America, we think we`re the greatest
country in the world although now, we`re not the biggest economy, China is.
You would think that we would have folks in this country that work hard and
don`t live underneath the poverty line? It`s time.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think the minimum age will be an election issue?" Text A
for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can always go to our blog at and leave a comment, also at We`ll bring you the
results later on in this broadcast.

For more, let me bring in Congressman Raul Grijalva of Arizona,
Congressman, always good to have you with us. And I`ll ask you. Do you
think that this is going to move voters in the midterm, in off-year

Is this gotten enough attention and conversation that is going to move
people and make a difference in this midterm election Congressman? Good to
have you with us.

REP. RAUL GRIJALVA, (D) ARIZONA: Thank you very much Ed. Yes, I think it
will move people. It has gotten enough attention. Has there been the kind
of public discussion and attention that has shift to this issue? Probably

But I think Americans and voters in this midterm realized that there is a
wage inequity, an income inequity, a gender inequity when it comes to what
people make for a living. And you`ve mentioned those facts in the
beginning of the program.

239 percent increased in profits after taxes for corporations since 1980.
178 percent increase in income for the top one percent, two percent in this
country. 145 percent increase since 1980 in the economy overall and less
than a 9 percent increase for medium income families in this country.
That`s a disparity.

And the minimum wage just tied to that issue very strongly. $10.10 an hour
that is barely catching up with what we haven`t done since we`ve been
frozen at $7.25 for so long.

I would hope that the -- and 70 percent of the American people support
this. We`re going back into a lame duck -- I would hope that there is some
courage to allow this issue on the part of the leadership in Congress, the
Republican leadership.


GRIJALVA: . to deal with this issue. I believe, yes. The American people
know that this economy doesn`t turn around with good wages without good
wages in jobs.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, how else do we read this? Republicans are not going
to raise the minimum wage. If they had it their way -- they want to get
rid of the minimum wage altogether, some are even advocating that. So they
simply can`t be trusted, can they?

GRIJALVA: I don`t believe that they can and I think that the facts in
history proves that point to be correct. When they talk about let the free
market work its will, the free market absent of any real participation by
employees, workers and their families in terms of the benefit, one is --
makes from economy growth.

If it was up to them, salaries would be about survival of fittest. We`ll
have a Darwin economic theory for workers in this country.


GRIJALVA: The minimum wage is a safety valve and a guarantee that they
will be treated fairly.

SCHULTZ: Do you think Americans who do not make minimum wage, who do well,
do you think, for instance, your constituents in Arizona, do the people are
above minimum wage care about those who are on minimum wage?

GRIJALVA: Absolutely they do. And I`ll tell you why because we all end up
having to subsidize the lack of adequate wages in this country and as
taxpayers they care, as businesses they care.

We had a minimum wage about $35 million extra compensation in this country
yearly, $22 billion would be income that would be used, less people in
public assistance, more self-sufficiency , healthier families -- yes, of
course they care.

The overall benefit...


GRIJALVA: ... to families above minimum wage is that when the wage raises
their standard of living raises as well.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Raul Grijalva of Arizona, great to have you with us.
I appreciate your time. Thanks for being and advocate on this.

For more, let me bring in Larry Cohen, President of the Communication
Workers of America.

Mr. Cohen, this is the $64 question 20 some days from the election, 24 days
out. Is this a mover? I mean, is this going to move workers? What do you
think Larry?

LARRY COHEN, CWA PRESIDENT: Yeah, absolutely. It`s a part of a package.
What kind of economy do we want? Do we want an economy that works for
working families or we want one that supposedly only works for the top 1
percent. But you can`t have a demand curve. You can increase consumer
demand if pay isn`t going up.

The minimum wage is the floor that we all walk on. We need bargaining
rights. We need an NLRB that works. We need a decent trade policy. That
package restores confidence, restores the consumer and builds our economy

SCHULTZ: What do you say to the gentleman that`s running for the senate
seat in North Carolina? He subscribes to the theory that minimum wage
increase as a job killer, your response to that?

COHEN: So again, it`s 19th century capitalism. As the Congressman just
said, its people who believe that there`s some invisible hand, Adam Smith
from the 19th century but that invisible hand is the only regulator we

And what working families know and what we`ve known for almost 100 years is
if we leave it to the invisible hand, you know, there`s no chance for any
of us that we need regulation, you need to put minimums in.

Minimum wage, minimum rights at work, and a decent trade policy and then we
can see the economy revive again. But this idea that all we need is
business to make all the decisions on their own to maximize profits, that`s
what we call a race to the bottom around the world.

SCHULTZ: Well, the federal number is $10.10 an hour. Republicans aren`t
going to go for that. They say leave it up to the states. What do you say
about that?

COHEN: I`d say is $10.10 is a minimum. We see L.A. move towards $15 an
hour. Thanks to the Mayor there.

We see Germany with an $11.60 cent minimum wage, Australia with $14. You
know, when we talk about a global economy and we need to look up not just
down all the time. We need minimum wages to stimulate the economy and
create justice for working families.

SCHULTZ: Larry Cohen, Communication Workers of America, give us an idea of
what your union is doing for this midterm. Your workers are out pounding
the pavement, doing the social networking, knocking on the doors, are you
confident that the turn out is going to be better than what the experts are

COHEN: I think the turn out momentum is climbing. I think in our case,
we`re stimulating more volunteers than ever based on the words of the

When Lamar Alexander...


COHEN: . who -- if take over, controlling the Senate will be Chair of the
Labor Committee, basically introduces a bill that would gut the National
Labor Relations Board. Our memories understand. That means we have to be
fired up. We need to be out there.

We did the (ph) in break rooms talking to our members on the phones calling
them up at night. And we need to make it clear what this election is
about. It is about what kind of economy do we want, an economy for working
families or an economy where we pretend that that invisible hand will take
care of all of us.

SCHULTZ: All right. Larry Cohen, President of Communications Workers of
America great to have you with us on the Ed Show. Sir, I appreciate it.
Keep up the fight.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter. Make a comment. Like us on
Facebook. We appreciate that in @wegoted. We want to know what you think.

Coming up on the Ed Show, two senators with opposing views on climate
change, they`re looking for middle ground. They`re in same party. They`re
with us tonight.

But first, the court reverses its decision on voter suppression in
Wisconsin. Big story.

Senator Lena Taylor joins me tonight. Stay with us, we`ll right back.


SCHULTZ: What`s hot, what`s not? Time now for Trenders social media.
Join up with the Ed Team.

You can get my podcast everyday. Actually 24/7, it`s free at,, and can you find it on iTunes. Just
search for the name Ed Schultz.

The Ed Social Media Nation has decided, we`re reporting here today`s top
trenders. Here`s what`s hot voted on by you.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Marriage. Marriage is what brings us together today.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number three trender, wedding bell bomb shell.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: First lady of Oregon had illegal marriage to an
Ethiopian man

CYLVIA HAYES, OREGON FIRST LADY: I was associating with the wrong people.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Under, you know, state law she is considered a public

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oregon`s first lady reveals a green-card marriage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A guy paid her to be his wife.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor Keith Cooper knew nothing about the green-card

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Marrying somebody to help with residency is -- it can
be a gray area.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The election is only a month away.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible) not here, apparently there was $5,000
payment involved.

HAYES: It was wrong then and it was wrong now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The number two trender, air sick.

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worse that it is.

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You`re all screwed."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Major U.S. airports will begin increasing screening

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Too bad there`s no screening for dumb jokes before

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And today`s top trender, VRA victory.

GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: This administration wants to continue to mess
with Texas.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A U.S. district judge in South Texas says the state`s
voter I.D. law is unconstitutional.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Supreme Court stopped Wisconsin from requiring
voters to provide photo identification.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And that means voters will not need an I.D. at the
polls on November, at least for now.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Courts blocked voter I.D. laws.

MAYOR TOM BARRETT, (D) MILWAUKEE: It`s such a short period before the
election. It could have (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Many likened the voter I.D. laws to a pre-civil
rights era poll tax.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The law discriminate against Hispanic and African-

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A federal judge in Milwaukee initially suggested the
law, could have disenfranchise 300,000 voters.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s something that I`m proud of signing for law.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Wisconsin`s State Senator Lena Taylor,
Senator, good to have you with us tonight.

I can sense there`s a real sigh of relief across the Badger State tonight
because your state seem to have some of the most restrictive voter I.D.
laws on the books that would`ve affected this election. What is this mean
right now and how does it affect the vote as you see it? Good to have you
with us Lena.

SEN. LENA TAYLOR, (D) WISCONSIN: It`s great to be with you Ed and Ed, I`m
smiling because I`m excited, the U.S. Supreme Court frankly gave a victory
not just for Wisconsinites but for America, because it says that we still
respect the fact that people have the right to vote and that we`re not
going back to the times of Jim Crow and Paul Taxes, and putting up hurdles
that will affect minorities when they go to vote.

So, for my perspective, it`s, you know, a victory for everyone. It feels
like in a Ezekiel Gillespie moment and I don`t know if you know a Ezekiel,
Ed, but he was an African-American man in 1865 that went to vote in
Milwaukee and they tried to deny him the right to vote so he sued all the
way to the Wisconsin Supreme Court and won unanimously with the Supreme
Court in 1866. It feels like that kind of victory, except, it wasn`t our
Supreme Court but the U.S. Supreme Court.

SCHULTZ: Senator, isn`t this a real validation that a conservative Supreme
Court -- and they are conservative. They`ve made conservative rulings.
You know, you got, you know, started out with Elena, the rest of that
crowd, I mean, the fact is -- isn`t this a validation that the right-wing
has overreached in many states? And that there`re truly has been -- and
this is an admission that there`re truly has been a voter suppression
effort unlike anything we`ve ever seen in American history?

TAYLOR: We know that it`s been a synchronized effort. We know that it has
had a negative effect. There are results now that show that the places
where they have been implemented even more recently have had negative
effects on minority voting. So for my perspective, it is a true victory
for America as I said earlier because I think it is a conservative Supreme
Court saying that there has been an overreach.

And I want to be clear. The Republicans strategy or the affects or
outcomes of the policies have always shown extremism. Including their
overreached with women, you know, their overreached even with education and
many would say even trying to destroy public education. So, there are many
challenges that come with extreme policies.

I can especially speaks for Governor Walker, including one commercial where
he say, you know, that he`s a friend of women when he knows that he has
made it -- where women have not only not been able to support or fight for
their right for equal pay but in addition to that, overreaching and
choosing what should happen to us in our bodies.


TAYLOR: . and require us to have people who are not even certified medical
individuals to do ultra sounds and probes on women, that`s inappropriate.
And he says he`s trying to create safety. So this is a time where you see
they`re overreached Ed. And I think it`s a true victory that the Supreme
Court has rule -- that it was too soon or it was too much in order to be
implementing this law when you know the ballots have already gone out.


TAYLOR: And I think the district courts saying, what they did for Texas is
a victory for America.

SCHULTZ: Senator, it seemed like the voter I.D. laws in Wisconsin were
setup to attack Madison and the University of Wisconsin because there`s a
big liberal turn out in that city. It would have hit the young
demographic. It would have made any hassle for young people to vote.

TAYLOR: Correct.

SCHULTZ: And it would have hit your area of Milwaukee -- and it would have
hit your area of Milwaukee with the economically challenged minority

TAYLOR: Yes. And Ed...

SCHULTZ: Is this a game changer? Because I honestly thought...

TAYLOR: It is.

SCHULTZ: ... that if this law was going to stand, I don`t know how Walker
was going to lose. I mean, I thought he was going to walk right back in

I mean, I think is a huge -- it`s going to be close race but it would seem
to me that Mary Burke would have had an extremely hard time to win had this
law had not been turned over? What do you think?

TAYLOR: Well, I think two things. One, we`re no ways tired Ed and we`re
fighting and people we`re still doing everything to help individuals get
connected to get I.D.s but they are many challenges that people had because
of that.

I think it`s a game changer. Even though I will say the Republicans and
the Governor Walker did implement about 30 bills to try to chip away on the
voting .


TAYLOR: . the number of votes that we would otherwise have. And so,
they`re trying to chip away in everywhere they can.`

They`ve also even talked about strategies that they were going to do to
discourage people from coming to vote by saying they`re going to be looking
for people with warrants and looking for people who owe their taxes.

I mean, they have tried many different things but I think that this is a
victory for America and a victory for Wisconsinites because we...


TAYLOR: ... are no way tired. We`re standing up like Ezekiel Gillespie
for our right to vote. People are going to come out and vote.

Mary Burkes has been winning in this race and gaining grounds since she got
in except for the moment where he tried to make it seem as if she was
dishonest about a jobs plan which the truth the matter is, a contractor,
you know, did not do his due diligence and do her wording the way he

But Scott Walker should be looking for some idea somewhere. So he`s
scared. He`s running scared Ed. And if he isn`t he should be, because
people are tired of him and I think this is a game changer because it`s

Someone was in a movie theater last night and they talked about how
everybody in the theaters cheered because my chief staff said, "The Supreme
Court, the U.S. Supreme Court over turned voter I.D." and the whole theatre
roared with cheers and saying that they were excited. That`s been the talk
on Facebook. That`s been the talk in the community.

The energy is there. People are going to come out to vote and I`m looking
forward to a new attorney-general and to a new governor.

SCHULTZ: All right. State Senator Lena Turner, still fired up and ready
to g, great to see you Lena. Thanks for being on the program tonight.
Thank you so much.

Coming up, role models, two senators with opposing views on the climate
change working together. They join me, coming up here on the Ed Show.
They`re going to tell us their plan.

The cast have Outnumbered insults the intelligence of the entire voting
block. We`ll tell you about that. The story had in pretenders.

I`m taking your questions next Ask Ed Live. We`ll be right back on the Ed
Show on MSNBC. Stay with us


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate all the questions. We
got three for the night from our viewers tonight in our Ask Ed Live
Segment. Our first question comes from Cordell.

He wants to know, "What`s your favorite television series so far this

Well, it hasn`t started yet but we`ve enjoy the last two seasons of
Vikings. Now, you`re going to think I`m a real homer, OK. But I`m hooked
on Blacklist. The NBC show plays 10:00 on Monday night, 10:00 eastern. I
think Spader is a phenomenal actor. I think the acting in that show is
very good. I like the plot so I like Blacklist.

But there`s another one. Chicago P.D., I think I like that serge. I like
that serge because he likes -- he loves Chicago. I mean he`s a Chicago guy
and that comes through. He wants to do something for that town and I like
the theme the way they operate. So Chicago P.D. and Blacklist, all right.

Our next question is from Jimmy. He wants to know, "What do you think of
Alison Lundergan Grimes who`s running for senate in Kentucky refusing to
say whether she voted for President Obama?"

Well, if she is refusing to say she voted for President Obama that means
that she did vote for him. And there`s no shame. I mean that doesn`t mean
that she is going to change her views on certain issues. It doesn`t mean
that she is not going to be able to represent the people of Kentucky. I
think she do a heck of a lot better than Mitch McConnell.

I don`t think it would hurt her if she wants to say that she voted for
President Obama. I don`t it should go against her, but she`s made judgment
call and that`s way it stands. Now it`s up to the voters.

Next question is from Sharon. "How do you stay motivated when things
aren`t looking promising?"

I assume you`re talking about the upcoming election. I`m fortunate. I get
to go to the middle of the country. I broadcast some of our shows here in
Minnesota. I -- this week I`ve been to Iowa and I`ve been in the South
Dakota yesterday, and I can tell you that there is an energy out there.
And when you`re going to work everyday and you see the same people or
you`re in the same routine, you might not feel that energy but I`m here to
tell you that I don`t believe all this talk about low voter turn out.

I think it`s going to be a heck of an election and a real game changer.
That`s how I feel. That`s what keeps me motivated.

Stick around Rapid Response Panel is next here on the Ed Show.

Market Wrap.

Stocks end the week with another triple digit decline. The Dow drops 115
points in the negative territory for the year. The S&P is up to 22 at its
lowest level since May 2012. The NASDAQ sliding 102 points.

Shares of Tesla lost nearly 8 percent despite unveiling all-wheel-drive
version of its Model S and new features including auto-pilot technology.

Meanwhile shares of Dave & Busters bucked the downward trend and finished
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That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show and thanks for watching tonight. We
all know that Republicans are fixated on taking control of the United
States Senate. And if they succeed there will be consequences to the
American middle class and the global environment.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s our party that says you want to create more
domestic energy, build the keystone pipeline. Reasonably allow for
drilling in this country to make us energy independent. It`s the other
side that says no to expansion of our energy policy.

SEN. ROB PORTMAN, (R) OHIO: With a majority, we could immediately do
things that would help give economy a shot, an immediate shot in the arm.
So think about Keystone XL Pipeline. It would happen in the first couple
of weeks. The biggest infrastructure project arguably in America next
year, 42,000 new jobs.


SCHULTZ: That is false. Building the Keystone XL Pipeline is of course on
the top of the list for the Republicans if they get the House and the
Senate. If it`s constructed, the pipeline will carry one of the world`s
dirtiest and dangerous fuels, tar sands oil. You can`t get around that
fact, and it`s going to across Ogallala Aquifer in the middle of the
country from Alberta to Texas.

This pipeline could devastate ecosystems, pollute water sources and
jeopardize people`s health. In this 42,000 jobs that Senator Portman is
talking about, they`re all temporary they maybe 18 months at best.

Republicans, it sure seems they`re in denial, they don`t care about the
climate, and they don`t care about jobs because they haven`t done anything
on a jobs package.

Democrats are trying to make a positive impact on climate change, it is
serious. Two senators who have very different perspectives on the climate
issue are working together to learn more. Senator Joe Manchin of West
Virginia and also Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island are visiting
each other states to discuss the reasons for their differing policy
positions. This is good. Most senators ultimately want to find some
common ground moving forward.

They join us tonight here on the Ed Show, Senator Sheldon Whitehouse of
Rhode Island and also Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, gentlemen,
great to have you with us tonight.

Senator Whitehouse, you first.

What`s -- there are absolutes in climate change. There is no question
about it. So what is the mission between you and Senator Manchin here are
you see it. What can be gained here?

SEN. SHELDON WHITEHOUSE, (D) RHODE ISLAND: Well, one of the absolutes is
one is right behind me and that`s what`s happening to the oceans as a
result of climate change. You never see the deniers talking about the
oceans. They`re always talking about some complicated computer module of
the atmosphere.

In the oceans, you know, you measure at fact that they`re getting warmer
with the thermometer. You measure the fact that they`re getting higher
with the virtually the equivalent of a yard stick. You measure that
they`re getting more acidic litmus paper.

So, Senator Manchin has kindly come here to Rhode Island to take a look.
We`ve been out on the ocean. We`ve been along the coast line. We`ve been
seeing where house has been washed into the seas. And he`s now on a
position to go back and say to colleagues from Fossil Fuel States. "You
know what? I`ve been up to visit Shelton. He`s not making the stuff up.
This is really happening in his state."

This is real people with real problems. Municipalities that need to redo
their water work. There`s a lot going on. We`ve got to work on this. And
Joe is not a denier. He understands that there`re some real issues that we
need to support the coal industry at transitions but that makes him a very
important person as we move this conversation into a more practical
legislative level.

SCHULTZ: No doubt. Senator Manchin, what you have seen in the
Northeastern portion of the United States? Will that work in West
Virginia? Can it work?

MANCHIN: Well Ed, here is the thing, basically -- I`m not a denier and I
don`t think people in West Virginia or other energy producing states are
deniers. We know that there`s a climate problem. And you know what? 7
billion people on planet earth are responsible. We need to do something
but also in the United States of America, we want to be energy secured.

We don`t want to be -- have to depend on foreign oil and fight wars in
different parts of the world. That`s not been very good for us. Let`s put
it that way. So many lives have been lost and so much treasures have been
spent, it should be right here. With that being said, we need all an (ph)
energy policy.

As Shelton said, I`m not denier nor is he a denier. He understands and we
hope the other environmental community understands and we`re going to be
using fossil for sometime, for sometime in the future.

Can`t we work together and find better technology to use it much cleaner?
The United States government, the Department of Energy has been sitting on
$8 billion that we could be investing in a clean coal technology. And
then, they`re able to clean up the global climate if you will by having the
technology that other countries should be using in a much cleaner fashion.
That`s what we`re trying to find that compromise in that balance.

SCHULTZ: Senator, do you believe it.


SCHULTZ: Yeah. There`s no doubt.

SHELTON: No. I don`t think that there`s clean coal but I do believe that
there`re things that we can do with the carbon dioxide that gets emitted.
We were this morning at Rhode Island Company that grows algae, eats the
carbon dioxide as it`s omitted from plants and turns it into valuable
product. If that can be brought to scale, technologies like that can make
a difference and we want to work together on those.

MANCHIN: Let me tell you this, even the President said in his last state
of the union that we have clean up -- in America, we have cleaned up the
environment more than 80 percent in the last 20 years, more so that ever in
the history.

So with that being said, we`ve done socks and knots (ph) in mercury, we can
do these things. We need to be able and now be able to take off the CO2,
clear stream CO2 and as Sheldon showed me, an algae growth that you can use
this CO2 to create more added value products, where than trying to
sequester it into the ground. We`re trying to find that next -- the next
technology and you can use coal cleaner. You can use it in a cleaner
fashion and that`s what we`re trying to do because we`re going to be

SCHULTZ: There`s no doubt.

MANCHIN: . the rest of the world is going to use it.

SCHULTZ: No, I understand that -- coal, having worked in the Dakotas and
Minnesota, the coal-fired plants up here turn the lights on in 16 states
all throughout the Midwest. But the fact is, it is dirty technology and
they have spent a lot of money in scrubber technology. I get all of that.
But as we move forward, especially your state Senator Manchin, you cannot
look at coal and not look at jobs. Any reduction in coal could mean a
reduction in a work force. How does that balance out with your
constituents in West Virginia?

MANCHIN: Well, jobs is the driving force for all of us (ph). You know,
there`s -- I keep believing Ed, there`s a balance between the economy and
the environment, can`t we work together? There`s -- you have people that
basically -- it`s one or the other, and I don`t believe that whatsoever.

With that being said, we`ve been blessed with Utica and Marcellus shale.
We have the shell gas which has been a tremendous boom for our state. And
basically, the coal is still going to be needed to provide 30 percent of
the energy up to 2040.

What we`re asking for is the government, the EPA to work with us to make
sure that we can provide that versus basically trying to eliminate
something that`s going to be needed, that doesn`t make any sense.


MACNHIN: And we`ll accept the new technology. We want new technology.

WHITEHOUSE: And Ed, Rhode Island has no interest in hurting a West
Virginia coal minor. Our interest in seeing lower carbon levels so our own
coast don`t get beaten away by red seas (ph). And there are fishermen, can
continue to catch the kind of fish that their fathers caught before them

SCHULTZ: Can we afford, Senator Whitehouse to continue to the used coal
all the way to 2040? I mean do we have to move faster than that?

WHITEHOUSE: I think we`ve got to move with real urgency with every
technology we have in our disposal and where Joe`s agreement with me is
strongest is that there is technology that can help reduce the carbon
pollution the coal provides. And that is a common goal that we ought to be
getting behind. And there`s money we should spend doing that and there are
technology we should accelerate to do that. Some of them are.


WHITEHOUSE: Right here in my state. Some of them have been tried in Jones
state but this is something that we need to go very hard on.

MANCHIN: But Ed, you can`t jeopardize the reliability the grade system.
People they are depending on electricity to keep their lives on, keep their
read (ph) on. The most vulnerable are going to be the elderly and the poor
and what we`re trying to do is keep the system as basically are going to be
up and running, affordable, dependable, and reliable and we`re working in
balance between the economy and the environment and I`m telling you we can
do it.

SCHULTZ: So when is the trip to West Virginia for the both of you

WHITEHOUSE: We`ve got that about three weeks from now.

MANCHIN: We got a good tour for him. We have more wind farm, east of the
Mississippi the most any other state.

SCHULTZ: I want to go.

WHITEHOUSE: I took this mountaineer...

SCHULTZ: I want to go.

WHITEHOUSE: . out on a fishing boat.

MANCHIN: Come with us.


WHITEHOUSE: And we went trolling. We pulled the fish up with the troll
and he was just like a real sailor out there. For a mountaineer from West
Virginia, he did great on the ocean.

MANCHIN: And we want you to come. We`ll take you to the coal mine. We`ll
take you to the coal plant, a wind farm, a hydro. We`ll do it all.

SCHULTZ: I appreciate it. Senators thanks for working together on this.
It`s a much needed discussion in our country. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse,
Senator Joe Manchin of West Virginia, gentlemen, thanks so much.

Coming up, building a community, faith leaders help to heal Ferguson, two
months after the tragic shooting of Michael Brown.

Stay tune, we`ll be right back on the Ed Show.


SCHULTZ: And Pretenders tonight. Our friends on the second string (ph)
Kirby Couch. This week the host at Outnumbered talked about the low
expectations for youth voter turn out.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And look, and he`s got to do something because young
people are not voting 2012, 45 percent of young people 18 to 29 actually
cast a ballot. That was 20 percent below the national average.


SCHULTZ: It`s true even though millennial have the potential to become the
largest voting block of the country. Many do choose to sit out elections.
Youth participation in the midterm is usually low. So we should be
encouraging young voters to get to the polls don`t you think?


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So we just talked about the poll the other day. It
shows that they are disinterested in these midterm elections. I mean a
very small percent.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe they feel like a government has failed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do we want them to vote if they don`t know the issue?



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If you really want to motivate them to vote and be
ignorant at the polls.


SCHULTZ: Maybe the hosts are just falling in line with the right-wing`s
national effort to keep voters from the polls. Maybe they`re worried
because young Americans typically vote liberal. Either way, they`re
discouraging people from participating in our Democratic process.

If the folks said Outnumbered think young voters are the ignorant to the
issues, they can keep on pretending.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. And finally tonight, it`s been two
months since Missouri teenager Michael Brown was shot and killed by
Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson. Wilson has not been charged in the
shooting. However, hundreds of protesters have been arrested for violating
unwritten rules in committing minor offenses.

Since the August night shooting there`s been an obvious breakdown in trust
for law enforcement and tension has risen in the community. It remains
very high this night.

Now, the Saint Louis area is bracing for another round of mass protests.
It`s being called the weekend of resistance. More than 6,000 people are
expected to participate in marches and rallies in the Saint Louis area and
in Ferguson. Actions of civil disobedience are expected on Monday.
Organizers are calling for protesters to remain peaceful but fuel was added
to the fire on Wednesday, when a 32-year-old Saint Louis Officer fatally
shot an 18-year-old Vonderrit Myers Jr.

Police say Myers pulled the gun and shot at the officer. On Sunday, an
interfaith coalition of speakers will gather for a mass meeting hopping to
foster dialogue within the community.

My next guess is scheduled to be one of those speakers this weekend.

And joining me tonight is Reverend Jim Wallace, President of Sojourners
magazine, Reverend good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your
time on this very important topic. Simmering the tensions I think it`s
going to be the mission right here. What do you hope to accomplish on
Sunday, Reverend?

REV. JIM WALLACE, PRESIDENT, SOJOURNERS: The local clergy in Ferguson that
have played a very pastoral role, a prophetic role, 2 months and 60. 60
days of stress and tension. An unarmed young black man was shot by a white
police officer and there`s been no real response from Ferguson, from law
enforcement, so it`s a parable (ph).

Ferguson is a parable. It`s a story about this nation where a criminal
justice system does not treat young black man the way it treats young white
man. So we have to go there and talk about how to heal a broken criminal
justice system and will be in the services and then in the streets to pray
and try to bring -- healing has to come by telling a truth and fixing
what`s gone wrong.

We have to fix that system and change this reality that, you know, young
black lives can`t be worth less than young white lives. We have to change
the and write this wrong.


WALLACE: . it`s not in Ferguson but all over the country as you know.

SCHULTZ: But Reverend, as a man of the cloth, do you feel a deep
responsibility to make sure that the protests are non-violent?

WALLACE: Of course.

SCHULTZ: And when there`s talk of civil disobedience, what role does that
put you in?

WALLACE: Well Ed, as you know, there`s long tradition of peaceful non-
violent civil disobedience. Dr. Ping (ph) was a mentor of mine and
sometimes, that kind of action brings light and attention to something that
is wrong in a very peaceful way. You have to work on all sides. The
clergy is talking to the police. They`re talking to the protesters, to the
law enforcement. The clergy have to talk about the stress on all sides.

It`s very stressful situation now. How to bring people together? Local
clergy have provided a leadership role there that we admire a great deal
from the outside. We`re going there and try to be just helpful to them as
much as we can. But this is a parable that has to change, time to change
the system here for the sake of all of us. To bring peace, we have to deal
with what`s wrong and we have to fix it.

And we`ll go in there in the peaceful way to try and support the local
leaders first of all, their leadership and trying to change it.

SCHULTZ: OK. Reverend Jim Wallace, I appreciate your time tonight. It is
a heavy lift no doubt. Tensions are very high in the Ferguson in Saint
Louis area on that. It`s going to take an awful lot of prayers and
understanding to make it right before the criminal justice system gets
fixed with black Americans in this country. No doubt.

Thank you reverend. I appreciate you time.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

Politics Nation with Reverend Alt Sharpton starts right now.


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