THE ED SHOW
October 27, 2014
Guest: Rick Weiland, Corey Hebert, Jean Ross, Jennifer Epps-Addison
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Welcome to the Ed Show live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, once was a woman from Kentucky.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She`s got the momentum now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McConnell is very unpopular in Kentucky.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we turnout our vote we win.
SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL, (R-KY) MINORITY LEADER: I`ve had about enough of
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She knows what`s best for Kentucky.
MCCONNELL: Governor Beshear drones on about Obamacare.
SCHULTZ: Does Senator McConnell have a health care plan that he would
replace the Affordable Care Act with?
MCCONNELL: We need to fight back.
GOV. STEVE BESHEAR, (D) KENTUCKY: Absolutely no plan.
MCCONNELL: It`s time my friends to rise up and fight back.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think Mitch is going to win in Kentucky.
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SCHULTZ: Good to you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching. Midterm
elections, we are just eight days away and the question around the country
is, what is it take to get Americans to pay attention to their government
and do something about it? We`ll find out.
A lot of people are saying it`s going to be low turnout but I think there`s
going to be heavy turnout in some pockets on the country, maybe even
The Democrats have refocused their efforts of that state and right now this
race between Grimes and McConnell is as tight as it gets. The most recent
Bluegrass poll has McConnell regaining a narrow lead over Alison Lundergan
Grimes. However, two major Kentucky newspapers over the weekend have
endorsed Lundergan Grimes.
The Lexington Herald-Leader attacked McConnell writing on those Sunday
editorial, "The problem is how McConnell uses his power. He has repeatedly
hurt the country to advance his political strategy."
Grimes is also getting a boost from the Democrats Senatorial Campaign
Committee. It has $650,000 ready to flood the airwaves in the final
stretch to victory. The key of course is mobilization.
Kentucky Democrats need to harness the power of their successful Obamacare
Earlier today, I was in Lexington, Kentucky with Governor Steve Beshear.
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SCHULTZ: Governor Beshear`s administration hit the ground running on the
state exchange. The numbers are a perfect example of where health care can
go in America.
BESHEAR: Isn`t that amazing?
SCHULTZ: I mean, that`s the word.
BESHEAR: You know, it just shows you that this isn`t really a political
issue. This is all about people. And you have 521,000 Kentuckians who
came out of the woodwork.
They had secret craving for affordable health care that in spite of all of
the negativities thrown at them before it started, you know, they decide to
find out for themselves and more they have really like what they found.
SCHULTZ: I remember being here months ago when we were in the poll center,
a call center that was going on and the calculation was taking place. Did
you ever think it would reach this number?
BESHEAR: You know, we were surprised by anybody honestly. You know, we
worked hard and we kept our fingers crossed at midnight when we opened it
up, but the outpouring of desire for affordable health care really
surprised even us. And it`s continuing to go.
You know, we`re getting ready to open up again in November 15th and we
expect more. We expect to be able to sign up a lot more people for the
qualified health plans and more people on expanded Medicaid.
SCHULTZ: A year ago this time the conservative media in this country was
just pounding away this entire entity that was going to help Americans. It
was going to be a failure the website. Here we are days before the
election. The people to have the health care now in your state exchange.
Do you think that`s a motivator for them to vote?
BESHEAR: I think it is. Honestly, you know, the other side did such a
great job of demonizing the program and demonizing the phrase Obamacare
that I found that a lot of people who have it and are really thrilled about
it, really sort of shy away from publicly saying much about it and just
because of all of these stuff that`s been thrown out there. And they just
as well just move on with their lives.
But I think down deep, they appreciate it and I think many of them will end
up in the polling place. And, you know, we got Senator McConnell running
for reelection and he has made no bones about wanting to repeal the whole
Well, what that means is he wants to take health care away from 521,000
Kentuckians and I think those folks aren`t going to like that.
SCHULTZ: For Republicans leader Mitch McConnell, it`s been hard to
navigate around the success and the facts.
MCCONNELL: Kentucky Connect is website. It was paid for about $200 some
odd million grant from the federal government.
The website can continue but in my view, the best interest of the country
would be achieved by pulling out Obamacare root and branch and let me...
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SCHULTZ: What did you think of his answer in the debate when he said, the
website is fine but he thinks he -- we should get rid of this whole
BESHEAR: Well its political claptrap. I mean that`s it in a nutshell.
You know, this is so much more than a website. It`s our whole exchange.
If you repeal Obamacare, you repeal the Affordable Care Act and our
exchange goes way, the subsidies go away, the coverage for pre-existing
conditions go away, you`re able to charge more women for women`s coverage
and men`s coverage, all of those things will be right back. I mean, the
whole thing will collapse. And so, make no mistake about it.
When he says he wants to repeal it -- I mean he`s going to rip 521,000
Kentuckians health insurance out of their hands. And, you know, that would
be a disaster for our state. It would be a disaster for the country that
McConnell`s (ph) family, the United States.
And finally Kentucky is able to reach out to all of our uninsured and make
sure that they`re covered. I mean, in a generation Ed, Kentuckians are
going to be so much healthier and our business communities going to be so
much better off because they`re going to have a healthy workforce and they
all know that a healthy workforce is a productive workforce.
SCHULTZ: So, it seems his strategy is -- been, connect everything to
President Obama? Has that been kind of the template here in Kentucky?
BESHEAR: That`s been only issue that he`s talked about. Obviously, he
didn`t more to talk about his own record because he really didn`t have one
that stands out in anyway after over 30 years in United States Senate.
He`s always run his elections trying to divert attention from him on unto
the other person. And, you know, he`s not well-liked here in Kentucky.
The polls show that. He`s got about as bad disapproval rating as the
President does here.
So he`s whole theme is to try to make you dislike his opponent more than
they dislike him. And the one issue has been -- when you look at Alison
Lundergan Grimes, I want you think about Obama. I want you to vote against
her because you don`t like the President.
And, you know, I think he`s got every vote he`s ever going to get now on
that issue and he still at 44 percent. And she is tied with him and I
think we`ve got a heck of a shot of polling this out and retiring him after
SCHULTZ: Democrats maybe running away from President Obama in Kentucky but
there is still influence from old friends to Kentucky. It`s the Clinton
factor. Both are seen as a positive for Grimes.
Two weeks ago, it was a different story than what it is right now, a week
from the election. What`s happened?
BESHEAR: Well, she`s got the momentum now and part of it quite honestly is
the fact that the Clinton came to town.
Both Bill and Hillary came in here and campaigned for her. They`re coming
back this last week of the campaign again and they have energized the
Democratic Party in Kentucky.
You know, there are a lot of folks kind of sitting on the sidelines and not
really enthused about this midterm elections. When they came in and of
course they are loved in Kentucky. He carried Kentucky both times he ran.
If she runs, she`s got a heck of chance of carrying Kentucky. And so that
energized the Democrats all over the state. And, it really sort of pumped
everybody up. And, you know, when this close race, if we turnout our vote
SCHULTZ: What about that? I keep hearing the turnout every where I go in
the Midwest, you know, these big senate races that it`s turnout. What
turns them out? What is going to turnout a Kentucky voter?
BESHEAR: Well I think the Clintons are going to help.
BESHEAR: Because it`s energizing people a little beyond what you usually
see in a midterm election. And I think that all of these televisions ads
paid for by the Koch Brothers and everybody else in the country, all these
billionaires who want to tell Kentuckians how to vote.
And not live (ph) here and not worry about it when it`s all said none. I
think that`s starting to get to people.
SCHULTZ: As I say they`re tired of it.
BESHEAR: Yeah. I think this message of Obama, Obama, Obama, you know, and
then that`s all Alison Grimes really is.
I think people were kind of tired of that and they`re starting to see
through it a little bit saying, how come he is not talking about anything
he`s done or wants to do? Where does he really want to take this country?
You can`t just be against everything. Where do you want to lead us if you
leave you there?
I think people are starting to get to that point and he didn`t have
anything to say.
SCHULTZ: McConnell has been labeled as the obstructionist by two of the
major newspapers here in Kentucky which I understand they`ve never had a
great warm relationship with him anyway. But is he viewed as someone that
-- gosh, if we lose Mitch McConnell will loss all the seniority.
How do you think Kentuckians balance how he has said to no everything
versus the seniority that he has if we had the power?
BESHEAR: That`s what he is played on for all of these years. And for a
little while, people could see some results because they had earmarks.
So, once very six years he would get some earmarks and drop them in various
places, you know, in the state and -- then he could point to, "look what I
did for this community or that community."
Now, that`s gone. And quite honestly for the last few years as he has
risen up the ranks of the Republican Party and become engaged in all the
national issues, he really didn`t paying the attention to Kentucky. You
know, he`s here very seldom and it`s always on national issues. And
people, I think finally understand that that this seniority -- I mean, what
does it matter.
If you got somebody that all they do is stand in the way of moving the
country forward, what does all of that matter? Let`s at least get a fresh
face up there who`s willing to sit (ph) and work with Republicans and
Democrats and try to figure out where this country have to go and move it
in some direction, instead of just sitting on pause that whole time.
SCHULTZ: That`s the interesting thing about Grimes`s campaign is that she
is not totally embraced President Obama. I mean, wouldn`t say who she
voted for and the calculation is that that might her but in a state where
both President Obama has been vilified so much, what do you make of that?
BESHEAR: Well she`s sitting in a state where the President has about a 30
percent approval rating. And where her opponents, one issue is she`s going
to be a supporter of Obama. She is going to be a supporter of Harry Reid.
So, just look at her and see Obama.
I mean, that`s been the campaign. So understand, you know, her reluctance.
She`s walking in a tight rope. She`s an independent person and folks are
beginning to realize that she`s going to go up there and do what she thinks
is right. And part of the time she may agree with the Democrats, part of
the time she may not because she wants what`s best for Kentucky. And
that`s the way I have conducted myself here as Governor. She`ll do the
And, I think as -- this last week, I think people are finally starting to
realize that and I think we`re going to do it.
SCHULTZ: Coal in Kentucky. You can`t separate them. And this might be
where she separates herself from the administration. How is that going to
BESHEAR: Well she has separated herself from the administration. I have
too, because is very important to us as an energy source. It`s important
in this country.
Now, you know, I`m not one of these folks that say, we don`t need to do
anything in terms...
BESHEAR: ... of climate change. Of course we do, but we got to be smart
about it. Number one, we got to have the energy. And, you`re going to
get, you know, this kind of base low generation from all of your
renewables. You got to have fossil fuels, oil and gas and coal.
And so, we just have to be smarter about developing the kind of clean coal
technology it takes to continue to burn coal, because we`re going to,
because we got to have the energy. And that`s where she is. She opposes
the President, I do too in terms of time tables and things where, you know,
they demand that today.
You got to just to have a different set of numbers and clean up everything.
Well, that`s impossible to do. And it`s not going to be good for the
country to do it that way.
SCHULTZ: Let`s go back to health care for just a moment. What kind of
money is that going to save Kentucky?
BESHEAR: I did an economic study with PricewaterhouseCoopers before I
decided to expand Medicaid which was part of the whole Affordable Care Act
And, they came in and told me, "Governor, you really can`t afford not to do
this because over the next eight years you`re infuse about $15 billion into
your economy. You`re going to create about 17,000 jobs and it`s going to
be good for your bottom line."
Now, we`re going to go and take another look at that now because we`ve had
it for about a year. I do all know this. I know we got 3,000 more jobs in
the medical field than we had a year ago and we got 8,000 more support jobs
connected with those medical jobs.
SCHULTZ: So Obamacare Connect state change has not been a job killer to
Kentucky the way it`s been advertised by the other side?
BESHEAR: Of course not. As a matter of fact, you know, what they play on
is all -- what`s going to happen to our hospitals.
The hospitals are the biggest benefactor or beneficiary of this whole
program. Our rural hospitals for the first time are making money.
SCHULTZ: So Governor, to your knowledge does Senator McConnell have a
health care plan that he would replace the Affordable Care Act with?
BESHEAR: Well that`s the other thing. I mean, they`re against everything
but they have nothing to replace it with. They come up with all of this
usual stuff. "We`re going to pass Tort reform and all of that." That does
not be of health insurance to the first person.
And, they`re going to take it away from 521,000 Kentuckians but they have
absolutely no plan to cover those 521,000 people.
SCHULTZ: And he`s against raising the minimum wage. Is that an issue here
BESHEAR: Yes, it is. People feel very strongly that it`s time to do that.
That does nothing except infuse more money into our economy, it will help
this grow, it will give people more of a living wage, and it will put the
money into our local communities, into our groceries, into our medical
facilities, and all the places that people spend money because those folks
that get a raise in the minimum wage, they`re not saving lot.
They`re spending that money to support their families.
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SCHULTZ: Governor Steve Beshear today in Kentucky. It`s going to be hot.
It`s going to be close and it`s all about turnout.
There`s nothing more the Democrats would like to do than they get rid or
their leader. That would be Mr. McConnell. The same way the Republicans
got rid of Tom Daschle in 2004. We`ll see, turnout, and we`ll follow the
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SCHULTZ: And we`re join here tonight by Rick Weiland who`s a candidate for
Senate to the State of South Dakota endorsed by the Democrats but now of
course saying that he would not support Harry Reid if he were elected to
the United State Senate. And understand just moments ago you held a press
conference in South Dakota Rick, saying that you want the national
Democrats to either get in or get out of South Dakota. Let`s start with
the -- what about that?
WEILAND: Well, just a couple of things, first of all the national
Democratic Senate Campaign Committee has not formally endorsed my campaign.
So let`s just set the record straight. And secondly, yeah, I just had a
press conference with the South Dakota Press Corps. And I said, "You know,
what? When they made that announcement a couple weeks ago that there were
going to come in to South Dakota and spend a million dollars."
You know, I think we all sort of breathe a sigh of relief, but the fact to
matter is, they`ve come in my state and they put negative ads on my Mike
Rounds. I think with the intention to drive voters to Larry Pressler. And
the only think I got out of that was people blaming me for a negative
So I told them today and no uncertain words Ed, that, you know, I would
like you to stay in here and help me but I want you to come in here and be
positive. Talk about my campaign to get big money out of politics. Talk
about my fight for the middle class. Talk about us wanting to invest in
student loans, in Pell Grants. Don`t be talking about...
WEILAND: You know, the negatives on Mike Rounds hoping to help her Larry
Pressler become the next Republican Senator from South Dakota.
SCHULTZ: Well obviously it was EB-5 scandal that drew the national
Democrats in the State of South Dakota because at the time it looks like
Rounds was pretty vulnerable. But all of the things that you just
mentioned that you say you do support are on the Democratic platforms. So,
why haven`t the national democrats supported you Rick?
WEILAND: Well, I think that they from the very beginning were basically
pouting because they didn`t get their candidate in the race...
SCHULTZ: Who they want you`re not the guy they want?
WEILAND: Well, they I wasn`t the guy that they -- I mean Harry Reid said
that I wasn`t his choice, many times and he`s done a lot to basically slow
down my campaign, dry up my campaign funding, and I`ll tell you what, you
know, this is my national party too. And we need to take it back and
that`s what I`m talking about in this campaign. They should be in there
helping me. They should be not -- not in South Dakota trying to hurt me.
SCHULTZ: What has Harry Reid done to dry up your funding? What do you
mean by that?
WEILAND: Well, from everything from saying South Dakota is a lost cause.
You know, within a week of them coming in and announcing their big $1
million campaign in South Dakota, his staff, whether it was his senate
staff of his political committee staffers saying South Dakota is lost
cause. Tom Daschle and Rick Weiland should quit wasting our time. And lo
and behold, here they are announcing a million dollar campaign.
But they come in and then all they do is put negative (inaudible). Any
political strategist Ed, in this country knows if you put negative on,
let`s say Mr. Rounds. That`s going to drive up my negatives because, it
says bought and paid for the Democratic National Committee. I think they
were just ingenious, they came in here to help Larry Pressler.
I understand that Pressler and Senator Reid are friends. I know Larry has
been talking about on the campaign trail how he`s given money to Harry
Reid. So I don`t know what`s...
WEILAND: ... at the bottom of this. All I know is, they need to get out
to South Dakota if they`re not going to run a positive race. I need help.
We need to get our people to the polls. There`s enough to be said about
protecting and expanding social security and Medicare. They should be
SCHULTZ: So you...
WEILAND: ... that message wins in South Dakota.
SCHULTZ: You think that there is some connection between former Senator
Pressler and Harry Reid who spent many years in the Senate together, that
you`re just kind of odd man out whether you`re a D or not?
WEILAND: You`ll have to ask Senator Reid. I mean, I don`t know that for a
fact all I know is Larry Pressler has been talking about having contributed
to Senator Reid. And, the fact that I wasn`t Reid`s choice, he told me
that from the get-go, he said it publicly. The fact that I think he stood
in the way of people trying to help me.
WEILAND: Because, you know, it is what it is.
SCHULTZ: All right...
WEILAND: All I`m saying that.
SCHULTZ: The latest...
WEILAND: The point I have made today was...
WEILAND: ... was, go positive or get our my state.
SCHULTZ: Well they`re not going to do that -- the culture of that money
isn`t there. Now, the latest NBC News Marist poll has you down 40 -- has
Mike Rounds up with 14-point advantage. What happened here? The EB-5
scandal there`s an FBI investigation going on.
There`s all kinds of questions, there`s million of dollars missing. I
would have to say that you have not bounced at all since that news came
out. What are you going to do to close it in eight days?
WEILAND: Well, here`s the deal, you know, Mike Rounds` own campaign
released the poll last week that said he was 24 points up. Now the station
that I`m talking here from today KELO and Argus leader, the largest
newspaper in South Dakota just released their Mason-Dixon poll that said
I`m nice point down and that Senator Pressler is in the low double digits.
So, there is a lot of fluidity in this race.
WEILAND: In a four-way race that`s what you going to get. I think that
we, you know, I need to get four and a half points here with some positive
help on some positive ads and a ground game which I`ve asked Senator Reid
to help me with, to get our vote up for people who care about what I`m
running for, we can win this thing.
SCHULTZ: All right, Rick...
WEILAND: I`m confident.
SCHULTZ: Rick Weiland from South Dakota tonight, good to have you with us
on the Ed Show thanks so much.
Coming up, mandatory aid worker quarantine spread across the country. The
Rapid Response Panel dissects the side effect in public health and
Plus, Michael Savage thinks soldiers suffering from PTSD need to suck it
up, Pretenders coming up.
I got your questions next on Ask Ed Live here on the Ed Show in MSNBC.
We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show appreciate all your questions.
Tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment, our first question comes from Larry
(ph). And he wants to know, "Are Democrats doing all they can to win the
Well you don`t know until all votes are counted. I mean, you can`t work
hard enough until all the votes are in. We`ll put to you that way. Look.
I think there`s going to be a good turnout in Wisconsin, I think there`s
going to be a good turnout in Florida, and in Kentucky, because those
states, you have personalities, you have agendas, you have negativity, you
have it all.
So, I think that there`s going to be certain pockets of the country where
there`s going to be good turnout. Yes I do think the Democrats are working
their pennies (ph) of to try to keep the Senate except of course in South
Dakota according to Rick Weiland.
Our next question is from Joel, he wants to know, "Why do people keeps
believing conservative lies?"
Because there so many of them out there. Well, wait a minute now. They
didn`t believe all the -- in 2008 or 2012. And believe me there are a lot
of them floating around in 2012 and there`s lies out there now. Let`s roll
it back to one year ago tonight, what were the folks across the street
talking about? Obamacare going to be a failure, I just got back from
Kentucky, over a half a million people have got it. You be the judge.
There are lies out there but then there`s also the truth.
Stick around Rapid Respond Panel is next.
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SCHULTZ: So it`s what he believes not the medical community or the people
that are actually went to medical school.
Welcome back to the Ed Show. What a difference a day makes? Just
Yesterday, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie absolute out of it, you saw
at there Nurse Kasi Hickox would remain in quarantine for 21-days in a tent
in a New Jersey hospital after returning from a Doctor Without Borders
assignment in Sierra Leone. Despite the fact she tested negative for
Ebola. Today Governor Chris Christie was singing a different tune.
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CHRISTIE: If you`re screened and you asymptomatic, you can be allowed then
to go to home, travel to your home, whether it`s in New Jersey, New York or
someplace else in the country and be quarantine for 21-days there.
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SCHULTZ: This afternoon Hickox was released and allowed to return to
Maine, this comes after Christie faced scathing criticism from Hickox, the
White House, and public health officials over the weekend. On Friday, the
Governor of New Jersey and also New York Governor Andrew Cuomo announced
that they would impose a 21-day quarantine for health care workers
returning from West Africa.
Hickox was the first person to be affected. She says that her treatment
was inhumane and a violation over human rights. Fortunately the backlash
has both governors backing down saying quarantines can be accomplished at
home. The reality is, this is what happens when we start to politicize our
response to Ebola and make decisions base of fear not science.
This is not the time to score political points with the public by pandering
to fear and taking drastic measures which health experts aren`t
recommending. Healths experts have repeatedly said, mandatory quarantines
will only add to panic and keep health care workers from volunteering in
West Africa where the help is still so disparately needed to contain it.
Joining me tonight on the Rapid Response Panel, Dr. Corey Hebert, professor
of LSU Health Science Center. And also with us tonight, Jean Ross,
National Nurses United. Great to have both of you with us.
COREY HEBERT, LSU HEALTH SCIENCES CENTER: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Hebert, are quarantines necessary at this point? Where do
you stand on the issue of mandatory quarantines?
HEBERT: Well, the first thing I want to make sure that everybody
understands is that this shouldn`t be political, number one. And they
shouldn`t have someone in the tent and they shouldn`t have someone in some
type of quarantine status that is not in their home. But I do say I am in
favor of a structured pathway by which health care workers can actually go
serve bravely over in West Africa and return safety, and part of that
return could be a 21-day quarantine.
Now, let me be very clear about this. The Federal Rules of Evidence, Rule
403 to be exact, actually can set forth the balancing test, you know, so
you can really think of, how can we -- can look at this thing in a risk-
benefit analysis. So let`s be very clear here because this is definitely
not fear mongering Ed, you know, I`m aware how people are doing that.
HEBERT: But let`s be really specific. Let say Dr. Spencer in on the
train. He has a temperature of 100.3 when he gets on the train which is
not a fever according to the World Health Organization. And then by the
time he gets off the train two hours later he had a temperate of 102.5
which is very possible. Right when his exiting the train he throws up one
someone and throws up on another person.
Now, is that likely that that person would get Ebola? No, it`s not likely.
But the reality is that, do we look at the chance, we look at the
probability, we look at whether that person is worth the -- taking care of
the many as oppose to taking care of few.
SCHULTZ: But doctor, we really don`t know the probability. And this nurse
in question had not tested positive for Ebola.
HEBERT: Right, exactly.
SCHULTZ: And she wasn`t showing any symptoms correct?
HEBERT: Exactly and that`s why I don`t think...
SCHULTZ: So why was there of the quarantine?
HEBERT: Right, and that`s why I don`t think that nurse should had been
quarantined because she tested negative. But the reality is that, the
doctor that actually came back, Dr. Spencer, actually started having
symptoms and did test positive. So, I`m in favor of a group of -- really
the strike team. That is very important...
HEBERT: ... not just in United States but all over the -- each part of the
United States as well as the world so that you can go and actually take
care of Ebola patient at all.
SCHULTZ: Jean Ross, what do you think of this? Jean Ross, what do you
think of this as the health care provider?
ROSS: Well, I think it is remarkable that you go immediately to
quarantine. What we have said from the very beginning, what we did is a
national, uniform, optimal standard of protective equipment. Nobody yet
has agreed to that. Nobody yet has agreed to a mandated safety standard,
and these are health care workers and nurses who are definitely going to be
facing these patients.
We have seen that even after we have warned against it. We have seen that.
You cannot have a discussion about that and the training that`s required
for that optimal equipment. So you go to something else like quarantine
and that`s where you put you efforts. I have seen very little discussion
about what it takes to stem the tide in Africa, that`s another place we
need to go and we need to go there now.
SCHULTZ: The CDC announced new guidelines today. There are now four
different levels of risk for monitoring travelers from West African
countries. Each level has its own guidelines. And I like to know, Nurse
Ross, will this help or will it complicate things for health care workers?
ROSS: What will help us is to give us that single standard. What will
help us is for people to go online to our petition. We`ve had tens of
thousands of signatures and more are signing daily and that`s
ROSS: To partition the President and Congress to give us that mandate
SCHULTZ: So this is a poor man`s way of doing it?
ROSS: Otherwise (inaudible) going to be confusing.
SCHULTZ: This is a poor man`s way of doing it is what it is. This is
doing it on the cheap, I say, well, it`s easier, you know, we`re going to
have you folks stay home and you`re going to be quarantine because we`re
certainly not in a for profit system. We`re going to make sure that the
nurses get everything they need to provide properly. Is that what I`m
ROSS: That is how we feel exactly.
SCHULTZ: OK. Doctor, what do you think?
HEBERT: Yes, well, this is what I think. I think what actually needs to
happen is if you can get the strike teams to come together by the federal
government mandate Ed, to say, "Look, we know that we need to have a very
strategic way of treating the patients in Africa and then treating the
physicians when they come back like kings and queens."
SCHULTZ: Well, Governor Christie doesn`t -- how is Governor Christie going
to care about West Africa when he doesn`t even care about the resident from
Maine. He even said that.
SCHULTZ: Here`s what Christie said about Hickox earlier today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor when you first described her as obviously ill,
she took great offense at that...
CHRISTIE: She took great offense at everything I said, Michael (ph).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you stand by that? Do you intend maybe speak to her?
Talk to her?
CHRISTIE: No I don`t. Listen I have no reason to talk to her. My job is
not to represent her, it`s to represent the people of New Jersey.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: And I`m sure he`s not representing anybody from West Africa.
SCHULTZ: I mean the ignorance surrounding this Ms. Ross is abound, is it
ROSS: It is as much as we`ve tried to educate, the right people don`t seem
to be listening at this point. We actually have had discussions in
California with Governor Brown and they seemed to be working on it.
They`ve designated the University of California Hospitals as their Ebola
centers, but even there the nurses will tell you, they are not prepared.
The training hasn`t started. We can`t even agree on, as I said the proper
ROSS: So there will be actions. There will be actions there tomorrow and
SCHULTZ: Dr. Herbert, your response to the governor of New Jersey, what he
had said about that patient?
HEBERT: Yeah, I think that doing at the right way is important but as the
nurse said, no one has come up a general rule that everyone can stick with.
So until we do that and the government steps up to really do that we have
to take these situations as they come. And each time we make a mistake, it
exposes other people Ed, and, you know, I don`t want to agree with Governor
Christie because and I`m not agreeing with him.
What I am saying though is that we need to look at to this a little more
deeply until our government decides that they want to have uniform
regulations for the treatment of our patients and our most priced
possession with our health care workers coming back from Ebola.
SCHULTZ: All right, Dr. Corey Hebert and also with us tonight from the
National Nurses United Jean Ross, thank you for joining us. I appreciate
Coming up, Wisconsin residents fight back against Governor Scott Walker and
his legacy of income inequality. Keep it here, we`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, the complaint departments. Michael
Savage, a right-wing radio talk show host wants soldiers who underwent
mental trauma to quit their bellyaching.
A caller on Savage`s radio supported the new effort to rename a California
tunnel after deceased comedian Robin Williams. The caller argued the name
change could help mental health awareness.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CALLER: I am a veteran with posttraumatic stress disorder and I love the
MICHAEL SAVAGE, RIGHT-WING RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Then why not name a
bridge for -- why not name a bridge for yourself in Cleveland?
SAVAGE: Name a bridge in Cleveland for you.
CALLER: No, no. I don`t want a bridge for me. I want -- I want people to
be aware of mental illness, you know?
SAVAGE: Why should we be aware of mental illness? Tell me what -- tell me
what good does that does?
CALLER: Look, I...
SAVAGE: Tell me what -- tell me what -- tell me what why do you think
you`re the only one who suffers posttraumatic stress disorder? You think
you`re the only one depressed in America?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Savage then blamed proper mental health care for the election of
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SAVAGE: If the whole nation is told, "Boo-hoo-hoo, come and get a
medication, come and get treatment, talk about mental illness, you know,
what you wind up with? You wind up with Obama in the White House and
lawyers in every phase of the government. That`s what you wind up with.
It`s a weak, sick nation. A weak, sick broken nation and you need men like
me to save the country.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: If Michael Savage thinks attacking the mental health of service
men and women in this country as an act of sanity, he can keep on
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deputy Walker, I need you to answer, do you believe a
Wisconsin worker can live on her minimum wage -- do you believe the state
has an obligation to make sure workers are paid some sort of minimum wage
and if so what that should be? I need answer.
GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: Yeah and my point is I believed the
state should be focused on helping people create jobs that are much greater
than the minimum wage.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is you position on the minimum wage? Should we
have it? What should be?
WALKER: Well, I`m not going to repeal it but I don`t think it serves a
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. This is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. Scott Walker, very clearly, he just doesn`t
wants to stand with Wisconsin workers.
A labor group is taking the matter into their own hands and suing the
Governor for fair wages. You see there`s a clause in Wisconsin`s law that
says that every wage in the state shall not be less than a living wage.
Insufficient wages are entitled to a state review.
Wisconsin Jobs Now filed several formal complaints saying that the $7.25 an
hour minimum wage just doesn`t cut it. Wisconsin`s labor department
dismissed that claims citing a single study from the Wisconsin Restaurant
Association, they say raising the minimum wage would tank (ph) the economy.
Of course the Restaurant Association is one of the largest lobbyists
determined to freeze the minimum wage.
No surprise here, they also have been pumping lots of money in the Walker`s
campaign. Wisconsin Jobs Now will sue Walker`s administration to force a
true investigation into wages in the state.
Joining me tonight is the Executive Director of that organization of
Wisconsin Jobs Now, Jennifer Epps-Addison. Jennifer, good to have you with
The legal avenue here...
JENNIFER EPPS-ADDISON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, WISCONSIN JOBS NOW: Thanks Ed.
SCHULTZ: You bet. The legal avenue here, what is it at this point, of
course the election -- we`re eight days out, certainly nothing is going to
happen between now and the election, correct?
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, you know, who knows what`s going to happen between now
and election, but what we do know is hope that a court will take this up,
will take it up in a timely manner and will make the only logical
determination which is Governor Walker did not follow state law.
You have hundreds of underpaid workers who are now suing the Governor
demanding one simple thing, that he`d follow the process set forth within
the state law. What we found after doing an open records request after the
Governor received hundreds of complains from underpaid workers is that he
didn`t even do a cursory investigation of these workers complains. He did
not contact one single worker who filled a complain stating that their
living conditions were such that it was forcing them to stay in poverty.
Instead, all he did was get -- debunked and disputed study from the
Wisconsin Restaurant Association, a group that`s given over $200,000 in
campaign contributions to the Governor and used that to determine whether
or not the state is paying a living wage.
We believe that he`s -- that the state law dictates he should have to
actually consult with workers and follow the process set forth within the
SCHULTZ: So what is the living wage? What should the minimum wage in
Wisconsin be? What`s the living wage, and how do you come to that
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, the state law is very clear. A living wage is wage
that allows workers to live in reasonable comfort and dignity. So no,
they`re not talking about having money to invest in and offshore Cayman
Islands account or buying a second car elevator, but they`re talking about
having enough money to keep a roof over their head, to feed their children,
to afford medical supplies when needed.
And here`s the reality. If the minimum wage had kept paced with inflation
it will be right around $11 an hour, if it kept pace with worker
productivity which is the true measure of our economy, it`ll be near $21 an
hour. So we certainly believe that somewhere between $11 and $21 an hour
is the right place to come on this but that`s really not the point of the
We`re not asking a judge to determine what the wage should be. We are
asking a judge to determine that Governor Walker violated the law and that
he have to actually engage in the process set forth by the law but either
establishing a wage commission or by raising the state`s minimum wage
because there is not a single worker within our state or any state for that
matter that can live up to $7.25 an hour.
SCHULTZ: If he were to appoint a wage commission, will that change the
dynamic of any of these?
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, I think that what should have is you would have a real
investigation as to what the wages in the state should be.
EPPS-ADDISON: A wage commission could be staffed with workers, with
economists, and also with business leaders. That`s was our hope all along.
This is not about gotcha politics, it`s about what`s in the best interest
of our state and how do we build an economy that works for everyone.
SCHULTZ: So what`s wrong with the labor department in Wisconsin?
EPPS-ADDISON: Well I think you hit it right on the head, that it`s
controlled by Governor Walker who has refused to consider even a $0.01
increase in the state`s minimum wage. As you heard in the clips before,
I`m not even sure he believes in the minimum wage.
He says he won`t repel it, but he doesn`t think it serves a purpose. I
think we need to go out there and work -- going out there to say, we need
to elect the governor who will follow the law, not break it and who will
listen to the working people of the state over the special interest like
the Wisconsin Restaurant Association.
SCHULTZ: What decides this race? It`s so close.
EPPS-ADDISON: Well, the Journal Sentinel, the state`s largest newspaper
said last week that this race is going to all be decided by turn out.
We`re credibly proud of the role that workers have played listening up and
elevating the issue of minimum wage.
EPPS-ADDISON: But we think it is about turn out so we ask everybody to get
up there and help us get folks out to the polls on Tuesday.
SCHULTZ: All right, Jennifer Epps-Addison, good to have you with us
tonight. Thanks for you time. Appreciate it.
That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.
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