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The Ed Show for Friday, October 24th, 2014

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Date: October 24, 2014

Guest: Clint Van Zandt, Mark Glaze, Gregory Meeks, Carolyn Maloney, Jane
Kleeb, Cheryl Stumbo, David Cullen

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Breaking news at this hour. There has been
another school shooting in America.

Police in Washington State say a gunman and one other person are dead after
a shooting at a high school 30 miles north of Seattle. The shooter was a
student at Marysville-Pilchuck High School.

Authorities say four people have injured, three are in critical condition
with head wounds and are being treated at Providence Hospital. Law
enforcement officials confirmed the gunman died of a self-inflicted wound.

The shooting occurred inside the school cafeteria and there are witnesses
to the shooting. Just a short time ago, Marysville Police Commander
updated the media.


deceased at this time, one is the shooter and the second, we are not
confirming whether that is a student or a staff quite yet.

The shooting did originate in the cafeteria as we understand it, and -- so
there was some type of activity there in the cafeteria, it is not known. I
do not know where the deceased were located.


SCHULTZ: This is how it all unfolded earlier today. Late this morning,
students responded to a fire drill at Marysville-Pilchuck High School. The
school`s president, principal should I say announced over the loudspeaker
that is was not a drill.

The principal announced that it was an active shooter situation and told
students to stay and lockdown. Police and emergency personnel began
escorting students out of the building while hundreds more remain on
lockdown in classrooms and lockers.

A teacher who was inside the building on lockdown gave MSNBC`s Joy Reid an
account of what happened.


KERI AUSTIN, TEACHER, MARYSVILLE-PILCHUCK: The principal has come over the
loudspeaker two or three times just telling us there was a shooting, there
were shot fired, cops are on campus, stay and lockdown. She just said,
this is not a fire drill, this is not a drill. There was some confusion at
the beginning. Somebody pulled the fire alarm so we went into action for a
fire drill so we all were leaving our classroom going out to the football

And then about five minutes after that happened, some teachers started
letting people know that it was incorrect and to get back to classroom.
People started to run back to the room.


SCHULTZ: Marysville-Pilchuck High School has about 2,500 students. The
FBI is on the scene, one student`s mother called into NBC affiliate KING-TV
in Seattle. Her son was texting her while hiding inside a closet while on


He said that the school has been on lockdown and that he`s been hiding in a
closet in the classroom with some classmates. There`s no text yet that
he`s been let out but some students are being let out and some members (ph)
to sit in buses to be transported to the school -- to the church nearby.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So, was the first word you got about what was
happening from your son who was texting you?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, that`s how I heard.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And what was your reaction as a mom getting that

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was terrified and, you know, and sometime it of
course started to set in. But I told my other half that we -- what was
going on and we decided to come here just to make sure everything is OK
with him but as far as we know he`s OK.


SCHULTZ: There will be an update from police officials at the bottom of
this hour at 5:30 Eastern time. We will bring that to you live here on

Let me bring in Clint Van Zandt, NBC News Analyst and former FBI Profiler
with us tonight, also Mark Glaze, Former Executive Director of Everytown
for Gun Safety and we also be joined by NBC`s Luke Russert later on in this

Let me start with you Clint, it sounds like the school was prepared and did
everything they had to do, your thoughts?

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FRM. FBI PROFILER: Well, I think you`re right Ed. And
it`s a positive thing and it`s an unfortunate thing. You know, kind of a
low-water mark for us was Sandy Hook in December 2012. That broke out
nation`s heart. Since at that time Ed, there was been 87 shootings in

So schools have had no choice across the country but to prepare. And when
you hear someone the students who witness this, you know, I realize they`re
teenagers but it`s almost matter of fact. They have heard of this. They
see their fellow student around the country witness this.

It`s just kind a (inaudible) when they talk about it as oppose to the
heartbreaking incident and it really is.

SCHULTZ: And Clint we`re back to the conversation in America about mental
health and access to firearms.


SCHULTZ: A self-inflicted wound, clearly this is a mental health issues,
what about that?

VAN ZANDT: Yeah, you know, we find these both in the school shootings Ed,
as well as we do in the violence in the workplace shootings. You know,
mass shootings, these multiple shootings. If we look at the last 14 years,
according to the FBI, the first 7 years and the second 7 years the
shootings have doubled.

We have more and more people turning to gun violence as a way to solve
conflict resolution. And so many of these Ed, are in the workplace and
schools where they come in, they vent their anger, rage, frustration on
those around them and then turn the gun on themselves.

And realize this gun, that this freshman in high school had, a 40-caliber
semi-automatic pistol. That`s a substantial weapon. That`s a weapon
that`s carried by law enforcement officers and somehow he was able to get
his hands on this gun.

But realize Ed, there are 90 guns for every 100 Americans. So,
unfortunately it is not hard in this country to get your hand on a gun.
Until we learn a lockup guns and until we learned to help our children find
means of conflict resolution other than violence, we are going to see this
totals continue to rise.

SCHULTZ: Obviously, details continued to come in as we continue or
coverage here on MSNBC. There will be a police briefing at the bottom of
the hour. We`ll cover it here live here on MSNBC.

What we know is that there were witnesses to the shooting. We are told it
was a freshman football player who opened fire in the school cafeteria. We
don`t if it was a grudge, we don`t know if the shooter knew the other

Four are injured, three are in critical condition with head injuries. The
gunman died of a self-inflicted wound.

And Mark Glaze, this was a familiar story to America and I think we`re
beyond the question of what is going to motivate our law makers to do
something about it. But ironically, in the State of Washington, there is a
measure that is going to be voted on in the coming days dealing with
background checks, your thoughts on that?

right. Well, look, I think what people in the country are slowly but more
rapidly now with mass shootings on the rise, starting to realize that we
don`t actually have to live this way.

And the people of Washington are taking that directly into their hands.
They`re going to vote on something called I-594 which would simply allow
background checks for almost all gun purchases, something that is not now
the case in Washington State. It`s not the only solution.

But if you simply make sure everybody got a background check, you would
offer up a big part of the solution to a crime problem especially when we
realize that in place like Washington, nearly 1 out of 10 people who buy
guns online now are people who are not allowed to buy them, but they are
often don`t get a background check because there`s no law requiring that.

SCHULTZ: Clint Van Sandt, he`s a freshman football player which tells me


SCHULTZ: ... he was involved in school activities, that he wasn`t a total
outcast. He was involved in some organized activities with the school and
clearly had associations with other students to be part of a football
program. What do you make of this?

This is -- this doesn`t sound like a loner.

VAN SANDT: Now, you know, a number of things Ed, number one by being a
football players you suggest he`s is part of an organized activity and that
would suggest somebody of a physical profile who might not be the target of
being bullied in school.

Now, we do know from another student who was interviewed earlier today, he
suggest that the shooter was involved in some incident within the last week
that involved some type of racial slur that may have been made against him.
You know, so the questions is, was this such a deep narcissistic or
personal wound that this caused him to come into the school and act out.

And you made a point earlier, we don`t know who this victims are not only
by name but we don`t know they`re association with the shooter where they
just random victims of opportunity or did he come and personally target
these students for some reason that we`ve yet to identify.

SCHULTZ: To high-level law enforcement sources are telling NBC News that
the Marysville shooter has been identified as Jaylen Fryberg, the name
Jaylen Fryberg.

We don`t know what drives kids to do this but we can come to the conclusion
that he was so angry and so distraught, Mark Glaze that we went out and got
a high-powered pistol to do this. What do you make of it?

GLAZE: Well first, I want to know more about how he got that pistol and
whether he was legally able to have it, we don`t know that yet. But
secondly, I want to say upfront that it`s absolutely the case that we have
to have other mental health care in this country and in particular people
who are trained to find people like this who are showing red flags and get
them rooted into appropriate treatment.

That having been said, in the United States of America you are 22 times
more likely to be murdered with a gun, then in other countries like us,
western industrial democracies. And the reason for that is not that
Americans are born mentally ill, it`s that we regulate guns differently
which is to say almost not at all.

SCHULTZ: Clint Van Sandt, there are associations that we will find out
about with this Jaylen Fryberg.


SCHULTZ: The coaches must have known him. The players must have known
him. The teachers must have known him.

We`re speculating this could be a situation where a very normal kid with no
background or trouble at all just happens to snap, is that a possibility?

VAN SANDT: You know Ed, I don`t believe in people just snapping whether
it`s a student or a violent in the workplace situation. Whenever we do
these psychological autopsies, when we go back and look at somebody who`s
been involved in a mass shooting, there is always anger, frustration, rage,
there is what we call many times psychological leakage where the shooter
has either warned other students not to come to school or it has made some
type of semi-threat where, you know, tomorrow the next day, next week
somebody else say, "Oh yeah, I knew he was going to act like he was really

Well, until we can get students to raise their hand, become their brother`s
keeper and say, "You know, my friend made this comment. I think somebody
needs to work with him." We`re going to see these people act out, in this
terribly negative way. And one more time we`re going to have people say,
you know, "I knew he was upset. I knew he was angry."

Well, if we know some -- it`s just we talk about terrorism. We say if you
see something, tell somebody. The same thing goes in potential school

If you see somebody who needs help, you need to tell somebody otherwise,
87, 88, 89 -- these numbers of school shootings are going to continue to
rack up. Because, part of the issue too is we students sitting on the edge
kind of emotionally around the country and they see these terrible examples
of how to act out when you don`t have this appropriate anger management
skills. And one more time we`re going to see somebody do this.

We need to keep the guns away from students. We need to make sure that
guns get, you know, not only in the hands of people who can legally have
them. But look Ed, this guy is probably 15-years-old, under federal fire
arms laws he could not buy a gun.

So, he either had to get it in his own home, he had to get it from a
friend, he had to steal it. Somehow, he got access to the gun but he
couldn`t have had that legal access but Ed, he got his hands on a deadly
weapon and he used it in that way today.

SCHULTZ: And Mark Glaze, he was able to get inside the school with a
firearm. How do we allow this to happen in America? How do we make sure
that once kids get inside a school that they are safe and there`s not going
to be in a firearms coming in.

GLAZE: Well look, I don`t think the answer is that the NRA and others want
to turn our schools into armed camps where teachers are effectively
deputized to have shot outs with kids who bring guns. The answer here is,
you know, a number of different things, all of which would be effected, one
of which is making sure guns are stored properly at home. And the other is
making sure the guns don`t fall under the wrong hands.

And again, that`s why this is a really important moment for the people of
Washington. We`re going to have the opportunity in about 10 days to say,
if you`re going to buy a gun you`re going to get a background check, and if
you`re underage, if you`re a felon, if you`re a domestic violent
perpetuator, you can`t have one. That has stopped 40,000 bad people from
getting guns in the past few years just since that system was stood up in

In the State of Washington alone, there are a lot more out who can be
stopped if 594 passes and I hope it will.

SCHULTZ: And if you just join us here on MSNBC, we have continuing
coverage of a shooting situation in Seattle, just outside of Seattle at
Marysville-Pilchuck High School, 30 miles north of Seattle.

The shooter has been identified as a freshman football player, Jaylen
Fryberg who has a pistol, went into a cafeteria, shot him self, shot one
other person. There are two people dead, four are injured, three in
critical condition being treated at Providence Hospital.

The gunman died of a self-inflicted wound. There are witnesses to the
shooting. There is a police briefing coming up in about 15 minutes, 5:30
Eastern time. We`ll cover it here on MSNBC.

Clint Van Sandt and Mark Glaze, please stay with us. We`ll check back with
you later on in this broadcast.

We expect an update from police as I said, in Washington within the next --
now I`m told 10 minutes.

Keep it here. This is the Ed Show on MSNBC. We`ll be right back.



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The shooter stand up and started shooting and -- but my
friend had docked under the table because he was unaware, he was in shock
and he looked over and looks like the shooter was reloading his weapon and
at that point my friend took --get out of the washroom and, you know,
(inaudible) from that point on.

For the most part really (inaudible) you know, and that were really, you
know, gone to many disputes, I mean he did have an incident the other day
when a kid, you know, a kid was being somewhat racist and he`s has been
(inaudible) but other than that I am not aware of any other physical or
anger like problems with him.


SCHULTZ: We continue our coverage here on MSNBC. What you just heard is
one student`s account from Marysville-Pilchuck High School.

The shooter has been identified as Jaylen Fryberg and as you just heard in
that actuality, another student describing him as a happy kid.

Law enforcement officials say that Fryberg brought a gun and opened fire
inside the school of the cafeteria earlier today. He is now dead from a
self-inflected wound, it`s a suicide.

Law enforcement official say that there is one other person who has
deceased but they have not identified that person whether it be someone
from the school staff or a fellow student.

Just a short time ago, a spokesperson with the Providence Everett Regional
Medical Center addressed the media.


were kept here. All three are young people who are in very critical
condition. They`re all being worked up. Two have been taken to the
operating rooms. One is still being worked up.

One patient did go to Harborview. Our Emergency Department chief doctor
triaged the patients in the parking lot here felt that that patient -- his
head wounds that were less severe and could be handled at Harborview.


SCHULTZ: We are waiting for a news conference from Marysville Police in
just a few moments we will bring that to you live, a full briefing on what
they know at this hour.

Joining me now is Congressman Gregory Meeks of New York and Congresswoman
Carolyn Maloney of New York. Great to have to have both of you with us in
this gut wrenching situation.

Carolyn you first, we are once again witnessing something unfold in our
American Schools that we just can`t seem to stop. What`s your reaction to
what has happened here today?

REP. CAROLYN MALONEY, (D) NEW YORK: Every time we have a tragedy like
this, after Sandy Hook and there have been 87 shootings in school since
Sandy Hook, 20 since August when our colleague Gabby Giffords was shot.
After each of these terrible incidents, I think Congress will have a
political will to pass these common sense bills to get the guns off the
streets and keep them out of the hands of mentally sick people or
criminals, yet the political will never seems to be there.

We just spent the whole day today on hearings on Ebola, and I would say
Congress was united and committed to work together to do everything to stop
this terrible threat to the health of our citizens.

Yet when it comes to this terrible assault of guns killing young people
across America, the political will needs to be there. We need to ban
assault weapons. We authorize of banning assault weapons, background
checks. Do you know it is not even a felony now in America to traffic an
illegal guns.

Make it a felony, I think everyone agrees that drug barons and illegal
people shouldn`t be able to buy, traffic illegal guns and not have it be a
felony. There`s so many common sense -- a liability insurance on guns, gun
safety locks for children, making sure that they`re locked up correctly.
There are many steps that you can take to keep it out of the hands of
people that are just going to use it to kill people.

We spent the last year, $5 billion on cancer research but Congress would
not pass the bill that Marky and I had, 10 million to study ways to make
gun safer. We study how to make cars safer and it saves lives but Congress
won`t even study ways to make guns safer. So, it`s a challenge, hopefully
when we come back there`ll be a push for some gun safety laws but it`s long
overdue and if we could pass them it would save lives.

More people have died from guns in a two-year period, over 58,000 in
America than in the entire war in Vietnam which killed 58,000 Americans.
How many people have to die before Congress has the political will to act?
And raising this is so important.

Thank you.

SCHULTZ: That is the question at this hour. Absolutely Congresswoman.
That is the question at this hour. What is it going to take? It wasn`t
too long ago that Sandy Hook unfolded, how horrific it was and gut
wrenching for this country and the families in that community.

It was a big part of President Obama`s State of the Union Address. 90
percent of the American people wanted at least to get background checks,
none of that happened.

Congressman Meeks, what are we to believe that this incident would bring us
to a different conclusion, your thoughts tonight?

REP. GREGORY MEEKS, (D) NEW YORK: Well at first I`m devastated that we
have another horrific shooting. And then again, you know, when you look at
what`s taken place across America. You go to my district in fact in New
York too many times I get a notification of someone being shot. You go to
Chicago where the violence is up and the number of individuals are being
shot. And these are both often time young kids shooting others.

And then you have another devastating shooting like you have right now. I
just got another flash on my cellphone, another alert that three Sheriff
Deputies in California have just been shot and there`s a manhunt for them.
There`s just too many guns, I think Carolyn Maloney has it right when we
should be able to do some common sense things. It is easier to get a gun
than a driver`s license in the United States of America. That just does
not make sense to me.

You can get a gun before you can get a driver`s license, and, you know,
your earlier guest talked about how, in fact in other developed countries,
the European Countries, you know, you`re 22 times more likely to be shot in
the United States than in those countries. It just says that the access to
guns is just far too great and I would hope that common sense and, you
know, I think that it falls on the people that are representatives in
Government but also the people that elect us to the elective offices.


MEEKS: And their voices, they`re the ones that need to come out strongly
and say, "This is what we want", and I think that will move us in the right
direction to finally putting an end to access to all these weapons, and we
have this devastation and how these young lives has gone far too early.

SCHULTZ: It is hard to have a political discussion in the wake of
something like this but everything in this country is political when it
comes to laws, rules and regulations, there`s no doubt about that. And it
is hard to put into perspective exactly what is it going to take for the
political will to turn in this country so we would get at least background
checks or we would reevaluate the access to firearms that people like
Jaylen Fryberg could have.

But, we are close to an election and I want to ask both of you tonight,
does this play, does this heighten the intensity of the subject just days
away from an election? Because when Sandy Hook took place and it was in
January and there was discussion, we weren`t anywhere near close to an
election at that particular time.

Congresswoman Maloney, your thoughts on that?

MALONEY: I think it should play and we are a Democracy and ultimately we
get the government that we vote for. So hopefully Americans will make a
gun safety part of the criteria that they consider when they vote for
candidates. I know that in Washington State they have some referendum on
gun safety, hopefully it will pass.

Every time these terrible incidents happen that Gregory Meeks described, I
think this will be the time we`ll act, this will be the time that the
political will and determination and joint combination of Republicans and
Democrats will get together and say we`ve got to stop this, but it never
seems to stop.

Even common sense items, I mentioned studying gun safety, not only did our
bill not pass, they passed a bill that said, "You could not fund any study
on gun safety in the CDC, they prohibited, I think it`s the only area that
I`ve ever seen legislation pass prohibiting, studying ideas of ways to make
American safer. So, it is, it`s outrageous, it`s hard to believe it makes
no sense whatsoever. We`re -- people that want gun to protect themselves
that are law-abiding, that want to go hunting, fine. But criminals and
drug addicts and unstable people should not have access to guns.

MEEKS: And Ed, listen...

SCHULTZ: We`re -- Go ahead Congressman.

MEEKS: And this is the one time where when you talk about politics, we`re
not talking about Democrats versus Republican. This should be an American
issue for the safety of all of us, because, you know, those kids, we don`t
know they`re not Democrats or Republicans. We need to make sure this is an
American issue and something that we`ve got to do something with, do
something about and do it very soon.

SCHULTZ: We have a picture now of Jaylen Fryberg, I am told the shooter
and this is Jaylen Fryberg. Now this is not the firearm that was used
today. He is holding a 17 HMR which a, Hornady Magnum Rimfire, commonly
known as a 17 HMR. It`s a rimfire rifle cartridge developed by ammunition
company Hornady back in 2002.

Now what we can gather from this picture is that he clearly had access to
other firearms other than the pistol that he used today. But he was
described by a student at the high school as a happy kid. Another picture
here of Jaylen Fryberg who has been identified as the shooter who is now
deceased, a freshman football player at Marysville-Pilchuck High School,
went into a cafeteria today with a pistol.

Two people are dead, including the shooter, four are injured, three in
critical condition with head wounds and now are being administered to at
Providence Hospital. The gunman as you see there died of a self-inflicted
wound, we know very little about the shooter. We are moments away from the
police giving us a full briefing on what they know here at 5:30 Eastern

Congressman Gregory Meeks and Congresswoman Carolyn Maloney, thank you for
joining us at this time. We`re following the breaking news outside of
Seattle Washington.

And before both of you leave us, if I may, as we await this update from the
Marysville Police, I`d like to ask both of you. Would this, Carolyn, bring
you to any new type of legislation that would possibly deal strictly with
schools? And I asked this question earlier, how can we keep firearms out
of schools. I mean we keep firearms, we think of airplanes in this country
going through a TSA and going through radar, you know, a certain detection
devices and what not, what can we do to make sure that when kids go inside
a school that they are in a safe haven?

MALONEY: Well we have some safe havens in New York, you have police in the
neighborhoods where the schools are, but at the city council now we have to
-- you have to go through and be checked of whether or not you have a gun,
just like you do coming through the Capitol and other public buildings,
they have a check thing you have to go through. Maybe we have to initiate
that in our schools, but I tell you it is tragic to even think that you
would have to have a whole high-tech system set up to check people for

Why don`t we keep guns out of the hands of children and out of the hands of
unstable people and certainly out of the hand of criminals and kingpins in
the drug business and everywhere else? We may have too many guns in
America, in the hands of people that should not have it. We are loosing
too many lives. It is a national scandal.

SCHULTZ: Congresswoman we`ll go to the press briefing right now, we have
to go to the press briefing here it is.

LAMOUREUX: At 10:39 this morning, at this time as an update from previous
releases, the scene is secure. We have now transitioned from a dynamic
scene to an investigative scene.

We have a total of six individuals that were involved, two are deceased,
one is a male, he was the lone gunman, and one is a female.

Four others were injured, three of them were transported to Providence
Hospital in Everett, and one was treated at the scene and released.

The entire school has been -- as far as students, has been transported away
from the school. Only law enforcement is on the scene along with any
students or staff, approximately 30 of them that were witnesses to what
happened and they are being -- they are part of the investigation and being

All other students again, have gone to the reunification. The parents that
are at the reunification are being notified that their students or their
children are still at the school being interviewed for interview purposes.

I also have with me Mayor John Nehring and he is going to say a few words
and then I`ll come back and answer questions.

MAYOR JON NEHRING, MARYSVILLE: Thank you, Mayor Jon Nehring, the City of
Marysville. Obviously we`re deeply saddened by the tragic events today at
Marysville-Pilchuck High School. There`s really no words to describe this
type of tragedy, so our priority right now to stand with the families of
those that were directly affected from this, as well as with the families
and the students of everybody at Marysville-Pilchuck High School who went
through this tragic event today.

I do want to thank several folks here, Executive John Lovick has been here
since the start and representatives from Governor Inslee`s office as well
as Senator Cantwell, Senator Murray, Congressman Larson`s office as well,
Governor Inslee I believe I mentioned that. Sheriff Ty Trenary has been on
site, since the beginning we`ve received great partnership from the
Sheriff`s Office and from all sorts of surrounding communities that have
offered their support.

And I also want to say that I`ve been in close contact throughout the
morning then the afternoon with school superintendent Becky Berg who`s
asked me to read a statement which I will read here in a minute, as well as
the chairman and vice chairman and members of the Board of the Tulalip
Tribes. And so we`re all working together as a team.

Of course our first priority was to get the kids home safely and reunited
with their families. We`ll try and get you guys information as quickly as
we can and I want to thank the Marysville P.D. doing an outstanding job in
taking care of the first priority which is getting the kids out, and also
now responding to what needs to come next.

And. I would also like to read from the school superintendent this message
that she asked me to send and she`ll be here later but obviously her
priority is being with the families and those involved.

On behalf of the Marysville School District, staff and teachers, I want to
extend my thoughts and prayers to the families involved in this tragedy.
When something happens to one of our children, it happens to all of us.
Student safety is our top priority and we`re working closely with local law
enforcement in everything involved.

And again, that`s from Superintendent Becky Berg, so thank you for that and
we`ll be continuing to update you as the day goes on.

LAMOUREUX: Thank you. We will be coming back at 5:00 and having another
update, will be our next update. We will have additional folks here to
answer other questions or provide information.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, can you timeline that 10:39 shooting, give us
the timeline...


LAMOUREUX: You know what? I`ll have to put that together and get that to
you at 5:00, I have not put together a timeline.


LAMOUREUX: We are not confirming any type of weapon that was used at this
time. It`s very early in the investigation. We want make sure we do
things right.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know when, how the shooter died?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: ... the motive?

LAMOUREUX: Don`t have that at this point.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who was the female victim/

LAMOUREUX: I don`t have that, don`t have any idea who`s the female is.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you explain how the shooter died (inaudible).

LAMOUREUX: Yeah, the shooter died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To the, specific body part?

LAMOUREUX: I don`t know that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Could you tell us the relationship between the
shooter and the female victim?

LAMOUREUX: I do not know if there`s a relationship.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Were all the students, excuse me, were all the
victims shot in the cafeteria?

LAMOUREUX: I believe that is the case, yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is the female victim a student?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you walk through kind of a narrative of what
happened in the cafeteria as far as your understanding right now.

LAMOUREUX: You know what? I don`t have real specific details, so it
wouldn`t be a good idea for me to just put those out there at this time.
Hopefully we will have another command center review before the 5:00 and
we`ll see if we can get that information.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What is happening right now at the scene? At the
school, what is happening right now?

LAMOUREUX: Right now there`s multi agency response team, that`s our Smart
Team, is on scene and they have taken over the scene and they are
interviewing witnesses at this very time.


LAMOUREUX: Approximately 30, students and staff.


LAMOUREUX: It is possible. We`re not ready to do that right now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As far as what happened, can you say anything about the
relationship between the students, what may have unfolded or was this -- is
this a random act?

LAMOUREUX: I don`t have that information it`s too early in an
investigation to try to figure out what the relationship was.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell us if the student (inaudible).

LAMOUREUX: That`s something I can find out for you at 5:00. There was a
school resource officer that was assigned, he was on duty at the time, he
was the one that put out the active shooter call that got things rolling.

NEHRING: All right, folks we`ll be back at 5:00, I appreciate it, we`ll be
back just in a little bit.

LAMOUREUX: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: A very short press briefing by police officials outside the high
school tonight. Robb Lamoureux, who is the Marysville Police Official
confirming that the second deceased is a girl, a student but they would not
I.D. the deceased, confirming that six people were shot, two were dead, one
of them a student, the other shooter dying from a self-inflicted wound.

The school, the facilities have been evacuated, there were 30 witnesses.
They would not confirm the type of weapon used and they said that there
would be another press briefing coming up at 8:00 P.M. Eastern Time, 5:00
Pacific. The Mayor reading a short statement and also a statement from the
school Superintendent Becky Berg.

So that is what we know at this hour, joining me now is Mark Glaze former
Executive Director of Everytown for Gun Safety and Clint Van Zandt, NBC
news analyst and former FBI profiler.

Interesting that one of the actualities that came from a student that spoke
to the media about what had unfolded, the deceased, the shooter, Jaylen
Fryberg was described as a happy kid.

Clint Van Zandt if you could, what do you make of that? And, also very
little detail coming from the police, clearly they don`t want to make a
mistake, your thoughts at this moment?

ZANDT: Well, you know, it`s becoming more and more challenging Ed. We
were told that just last week, he was crowned the prince of his high school
homecoming. We heard him described as a happy kid. You and I talked about
him being on a football team.

I mean all of these are the exact opposite of the bullied, trench coat,
Mafia, computer nerd, stay by them self type of student. This guy is
everything different than what we`re told. And what it tells us, number
one is that there is no profile of a shooter. We try to come up with this,
we struggle, I mean I`m an ex FBI profiler and what you learn is there was
no exact mold or model that you could put over.

If there was we would identify these kids, we`d pull them out of class and
we`d say, "Let us help you now." It doesn`t mean we can`t identify those
at risk but we need the information, we need to know who`s challenged. But
the challenge right now Ed, is why this guy and why now? We have to find
out because we have to do better in identifying these students and we have
to do better in trying to help them before they act out on violence like

SCHULTZ: How in the world could it be the prince of the school activity
probably chosen by other students and not have a lot of friends or be well-
liked? I mean this is -- what do you think of the Clint? I mean this is
pretty mystifying right now?

VAN ZANDT: Oh it is. This is one of the more baffling and realized you
and I have talked about the number of shootings, 87 shooting in the last 22
months in schools but this is one of the more baffling one because you
would think, to be crown prince your fellow students would have to vote for
you. They`d have to say, "Hey, we like this guy we want" -- he`s a
freshman and yet he still had enough students backing to vote him into this

He`s described as happy but you, you know, you`re showed pictures earlier
Ed with him with guns talking about guns, why he chose a weapon, why he
chose these students, and what the profilers and the investigators are
going to look at to is not only why he did it Ed but why today?

You know, we`d like to be able to predict violence with some level of --
not necessarily accuracy but to suggest who might be the actor, who`s going
to act out in the level of violence.

So far everything we`ve heard Ed, said this is the exact opposite of
somebody we would expect to commit a terrible act like this.

SCHULTZ: Well, Clint Van Zandt, with you professional expertise and years
of experience, for you to call it baffling I think speaks volumes of the
magnitude of the problem that we`re dealing within this country.

Mark Glaze, we just never know. It might have been a moment. It might
have been an emotion where he snapped. I don`t know. None of us know.
It`s just -- the information that we`re getting brings us to more questions
than certainly answers.

But it goes back to, as I see it, why would a kid feel so enthused about
being associated with firearms like that when he has so much going for him
and so many other activities in his life. He must to have a lot of
activities in his life if he is voted prince by his peers in the school and
then days later something like this happened. You`re thoughts.

GLAZE: Yeah I think that`s right, you never don`t know (ph) if you look at
different mass shootings, there or different facts. For me, what it means
is that, of course we have to worry about mental but the truth is mass
shootings by people who are very seriously mental ill is not a day to day
reality of gun violence in this country.

The day to day reality is that 32 Americans are killed everyday because
people have to easy to arms and most often is just in the setting of
ordinary street crime in urban and other environments. So, you know, move
for a second from analyzing every mass shooting through the prism of what
went wrong in this particular situation with this particular kid.

Accept that we have to do better at identifying people who are in trouble
and getting them the help they need, even though in this case he may not
have been troubled at all. And understand a much easier problem to deal
with that most other industrialized countries dealt with long ago, is
restricting access to people should have guns, who are law-abiding
citizens, who use them to hunt, who use them for self-protection, and who
understand that there a lot of people who have no business doing -- having
guns in their hands and have close loopholes in that law.

And if you want to talk for a second about why things aren`t changing, take
your eyes off Congress and look in the state. There`s actually a lot
happening, dozens of states have passed really important laws protecting
victims of domestic violence and making better background checks. The fact
the Congress isn`t moving it doesn`t mean nobody is, there`s a lot of good
progress happening.

SCHULTZ: Mark Glaze and Clint Van Zandt, gentlemen thank you so much for
joining us.

What we know at this hour, six people were shot at a high school just North
of Seattle, two people are dead. And authorities just moments ago
confirming that a female student has passed away from being shot, is
diseased along with the shooter. They did not give identification of the
female student. There will be press briefing later on this evening 8:00
eastern 5:00 pacific time and of course we`ll have that here on MSNBC.

We`ll have more on today`s breaking news out of Washington State after
this. Stay tune. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We continue to follow the latest
from Marysville, Washington. Police say the shooter Jaylen Fryberg turn
the gun on him and died of a self-inflicted wound. Law enforcement
confirms one other person was killed and that is female student from the

We have just learned one young student has made it through surgery. This
information comes to us from a spokesperson for the Providence Medical
Center where the injured students are being treated. The hospital is
working with the school and families to identify the students who were
brought in with head wounds. We`ll bring you more as information comes to
us and as it develops. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We`re still following the news
coming out of Washington State where a student opened fire in a high school
cafeteria just North of Seattle. Law enforcement briefed the media with
the latest on the incident just a short time ago.


LAMOUREUX: The scene is secure. We have now transitioned from a dynamic
scene to an investigative scene.

We have a total of six individuals that were involved, two are deceased,
one is a male, he was the lone gunman, and one is a female.

Four others were injured, three of them were transported to Providence
Hospital in Everett, and one was treated at the scene and released.

The entire school has been -- as far as students, has been transported away
from the school. Only law enforcement is on the scene along with any
students or staff, approximately 30 of them that were witnesses to what
happened and they are being -- they are part of the investigation and being

All other students again, have gone to the reunification. The parents that
are at the reunification are being notified that their students or their
children are still at the school being interviewed for interview purposes.


SCHULTZ: Two people are dead, one of them a female student who is yet to
be identified by authorities. Police will hold another presser at 8:00
P.M. eastern time, 5:00 pacific time with more information and any new

I am joined tonight by Jane Kleeb, Bold Nebraska and also Cheryl Stumbo,
who is the citizen sponsor of the Washington State initiative 594, also
with us David Cullen author of Columbine who has also covered the shootings
in the Virginia Tech in 2007.

First of all -- Cheryl you first, what are citizens in Washington State
joining to be voting on in the coming days?

594 is going to be on our ballots here in Washington State. It allows
Washington State to extend our existing background check system that takes
place at federally licensed gun dealers to all private sales of guns in the
state including online sales, at gun shows, and between other private
individual such as at garage sales.

SCHULTZ: And when did the conversation of this come up, a statewide to get
it all on the ballot. Was it Sandy Hook that was -- the incident that
propelled this?

STUMBO: Yes, I think that there was a huge galvanization as people here in
Washington State who in the wake of Sand Hook realized that they needed to
stand up and do something about preventing gun violence in our state. And
decided to work on this initiatives, try to get a passed to the legislature
but made sure that if we had enough signatures on our partitions so that if
our legislature failed to act which they did, that we would be able to take
it to a direct vote (ph) of the people.

SCHULTZ: And Ms. Stumbo, is it your sense that this measure will pass in
Washington State?

STUMBO: Unconfident that we have the support that we need here in
Washington State. Yes, we do have a majority support for universal
background checks as well as for the initiative itself.

SCHULTZ: Jane Kleeb, you have experienced with school security, your
thoughts on what is unfolded today.

JANE KLEEB, BOLD NEBRASKA: Yes, you know, as a school board member and as
a parent I`m sure there`s lot of other moms and dads watching wondering
what they can do. And there is something that you can do. You can make
sure that your school district has a strong security plan in place, that
doors automatically lock after school begins, that there are security
cameras in clear obstruction of view that the school inside, whoever is
controlling opening the doors after school starts that that is controlled
by a responsible adult and that they have proper training.

And our schools are doing everything they can. And so, we want to make
sure that there is proper funding for schools to make sure they have the
proper security that parents know that a security is plan is in place, and
that schools have the money to make sure that they have trained councilors
to identify any mental health issues that do come up when you have kids
that are troubled.

SCHULTZ: David Cullen, you have researched this subject school shootings
quite extensively. Clint Van Zandt made a very profound observation in
fact he said that the make up of the shooter Jaylen Fryberg what we`re
finding, Clint Van Zandt described it as baffling. This doesn`t seem or
sound like something we`re used to, your thoughts?

DAVID CULLEN, AUTHOR, "COLUMBINE": Well, yeah, I also heard a congressman
a moment ago (ph) other network saying that this person didn`t met

The truth is that most shooters don`t meet the stereotype. Most of them
are not loners and mostly not outcast. But the FBI and secret service
reports both said very, very firmly that there is no such thing as an
accurate profile of these shooters. So we really have to get around the
idea that there is a particular type.

And, I`ve heard and described relentlessly for the last hour or two as
popular, which is true objectively and the people outside observing him but
it doesn`t mean that how he saw it. And when you read Dylan Klebold`s
journal from Columbine, it`s really shocking to see how objectively he was
a fairly popular kid, lots of friends of extremely loving family but he
writes, over and over for a period of two years nothing of the sort.

How no one loves him, how awful it is, and he is not seeing it that way.
He is seeing it very, very painfully. He seeing the world through dark --
very bleak colored glasses and -- and so just because it looks popular to
us. This boy here today may or may not (ph) have seen it completely
differently that than.

SCHULTZ: Cherly Stumbo, this incident does this help your cause to
accomplish successful passing of the measure in the State of Washington,
what about that?

STUMBO: You know, I think what we need to keep in mind is, the sad fact is
the gun violence happens in our state and then our country everyday. This
is not an isolated incident. This is something that we have to grapple
with as a society because this is happening everyday. Thousands and
thousands of Americans are being killed with guns and we need to do
something about that together.

We need to come together and find solutions to that. Whether an election
is happening or not, gun violence is happening.

SCHULTZ: Jane Kleeb, Cheryl Stumbo, David Cullen thank you for your time
tonight on our coverage here.

That is the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz.

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