THE ED SHOW
November 18, 2014
Guest: Cyril Scott, Aldo Seoane, Adam Green, Bob Shrum, Ben Cardin,
William C. Rhoden, Benjamin Crump
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show.
The Keystone XL Pipeline has never been this close to the President`s desk.
It`s the Ed Show from New York.
Let`s get to work.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: Tonight, the Senate has an
SEN. MITCH MCCONNEL, (R-KY) MINORITY LEADER: Later today the Senate will
BOEHNER: ... send a bill to build the Keystone Pipeline to the President`s
SEN. MARY LANDRIEU, (D) LOUISIANA: We`ve been building pipelines in this
country for a long, long time.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She now has the 60 votes needed to push the
controversial pipeline forward.
SCHULTZ: And how do you feel?
BOEHNER: Send a bill.
SCHULTZ: Now, how do you feel?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 137 years, family tradition. Now it`s being trashed.
BARACK OBAMA, PRES., UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Keep in mind this Canadian
oil, this isn`t U.S...
BOEHNER: A Keystone pipeline veto...
OBAMA: Judge this pipeline.
BOEHNER: It will be equivalent of calling the American people stupid.
LANDRIEU: The cleanest barrel of oil produced in North America.
BOEHNER: ... calling the America people stupid.
LANDRIEU: What is everybody upset about?
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Senator Landrieu, can I answer that question tonight? I will.
Let`s see, oil, taxes, and trade. This is where the Republicans are going
in the lame-duck session. This is what the new power is going to give
We start tonight with breaking news on the Keystone XL Pipeline. Within
the hour, the Senate is expected to vote on the controversial project which
is now beyond six-years-old.
The latest report from the Senate shows that there are 59 yes votes for
standalone legislation being offered by that man right there, John Hoeven,
the Senator from North Dakota.
This is the closest the project has ever been to the President`s desk.
This is what the Republicans want. This is their energy plan.
Earlier today, House Speaker John Boehner had some harsh words for
President Obama on the Keystone Pipeline.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BOEHNER: Tonight, the Senate has an important opportunity to send a bill
to build the Keystone pipeline to the President`s desk. And let`s be clear
about this, a Keystone pipeline veto would send the signal that this
president has no interest in listening to the American people.
Vetoing an overwhelmingly popular bill would be a clear indication that he
doesn`t care about the American peoples` priorities. It would be
equivalent of calling the American people stupid.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: That`s right. And 90 percent of Americans wanted background
checks on firearms but it just didn`t happen.
Boehner has a habit of not listening to the American people as well. John
Boehner and senator`s voting for Keystone don`t know who it really hurts,
They have never been in the middle of the country and spoken with the
people who might have this pipeline running through their land. In other
words, I`m telling you folks there`s a lot of people in Congress who just
haven`t done their homework on this.
Earlier this year, I spoke with landowners in Nebraska. Their number one
concern is very basic. It`s the water supply.
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ART TANDRUP, NEBRASKA LANDOWNER: We`re in a very fragile soil. We have
sand and we`re right over the Ogallala Aquifer.
You don`t have to go down very far till you start hitting that water.
There`s a vast amount of water right there. And in the sand and gravel
mixture, if there`s a crack, a leak, anything like that is going to get
into that porous material and it`s going to be in that water very rapidly.
As a matter of fact, I really believe in most cases in like Terry`s (ph)
soil or my soil we`re going to not see any evidence of that leak for a
while above ground.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So Senator Landrieu on the Senate floor today asked the question,
"What`s everybody worried about?"
Well go to the middle of the country and you`ll get the straight answer.
We`ve told you on this program before, no one knows what an oil spill would
mean over the aquifer if it were to happen. And the chances are solid that
The impact could have disastrous consequences for -- not just Nebraska but
everybody in the region affecting 16 different states.
Now the 59 senators who were supporting the pipeline really don`t seem to
care too much about our water supply. It`s more about oil profits.
Democrats who were onboard think this vote will help Senator Mary
Landrieu`s reelection chances. The Keystone-loving senator`s runoff
election is December 6th. Landrieu was out stamping hard for the Keystone
XL Pipeline earlier today. She was making some questionable claims on the
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LANDRIEU: It was really important for us to get this pipeline built for a
number of reasons. The main reason, the main reason is it will signal a
great sign that America understands that energy independence for our nation
is possible for the first time ever. And when I mean energy independence,
I mean energy independence for the North American continent.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: So, we want to send a signal. We want to risk spoiling the
aquifer which is so terribly important to our agricultural production in
the middle of our country but it`s -- its OK we need to send this signal.
That`s the most important thing she says.
The Keystone XL Pipeline will not make America energy independent. As the
President`s pointed out last week, we`re more energy independent now than
we`ve ever been.
The oil flows from Canada to the Gulf and then it`s going to be exported.
The jobs again, the jobs again are short-term, they`re not long-term. Once
they build the pipeline, these jobs go away.
Many of the jobs done on the pipeline are going to be done by journeymen
not by locals. Global carbon emissions definitely will increase. The
environment will be at risk. This is the wrong direction.
Just last week, President Obama reached a historic climate change deal with
China. Republicans said China would never come to the table. They did.
Keystone passage would send the wrong message to the global community, who
is rooting for the United States when it comes to climate change. Did they
really get the message? That`s the signal that would be sent Senator
Now -- yeah, there are still 59 senators who think its pretty good idea.
There is also a property rights battle that is unfolding in the State of
Nebraska. The Nebraska State Supreme Court right now is looking at the
case. They`ll render opinion in a few months.
In South Dakota, lawmakers had even a bigger problem to deal with, the
Native American population. The pipeline is slated to run through the
middle of the Native American tribal lands.
Now, doing the homework of the story months ago, I visited the Rosebud
Sioux Reservation back in April because I knew this was all going to unfold
and come down to them. And I spoke to the leaders of the tribe. They told
me the pipeline would violate -- we would violate a treaty. Does that mean
anything to anybody?
OK, it goes back to 1868. It`s the Fort Laramie Treaty, OK? And it would
put the environment at risk. Leaders were holding our hope for President
Obama to stand strong.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: What would it mean if the President said no to this?
WIZIPAN LITTLE ELK, ROSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: When the President Obama was
campaigning in 2008, he came to Sioux Falls South Dakota and he met with a
number of tribal leaders. And at that meeting he was given a name,
(inaudible) and that name means the man who helps people.
And so he would be living up to his name and to his destiny and we hope
people fulfill as the one who helps the people, not just Sioux people but
everyone in the United States and throughout the world.
SCHULTZ: That`s pretty amazing.
Do you think he remembers that?
LITTLE ELK: I do. And we hope that he remembers the commitment that he
made, the support that American Indians throughout the country showed him.
And that he does the right thing not only for us but for all Americans.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: A few weeks later, I went to Washington D.C. and met with the
Rosebud Sioux Tribe about the Keystone protest and what their plans are.
Here`s what they told me.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
CYRIL SCOTT, PRES., ROSEBUD SIOUX TRIBE: We are willing to die of the
(inaudible). Our way of life for (inaudible) and the water.
BRYAN BREWER, PRES., OGLALA SIOUX TRIBE: Our people are so passionate.
Our people are ready to die. And our people have come up and said, we want
to be in the front-line. We are very willing to give our life to stop this
because they know what it`s going to do for the people.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Ready to die. What does this mean?
Cyril Scott made his threat again on Wednesday. He said in a statement,
"The House has now signed our death warrants and the death warrants of our
children and grandchildren. The Rosebud Sioux Tribe will not allow this
pipeline through our lands."
The Rosebud Sioux were standing strong in their campaign against the
Keystone XL Pipeline. On Monday, activists from the Rosebud Sioux Tribe
set up this inflatable pipeline in Mary Landrieu`s front yard in Washington
Today, youth activists and members of the Rosebud Sioux staged a protest
outside the offices of Senator Michael Bennet of Colorado and Senator Tom
Carper. They were demanding the Democratic senator`s vote against the
Now with the vote roughly going to take place within this hour, they`re
going to started it about 45 after the hour. Activists from the tribe are
still on Capitol Hill working hard.
Senator Landrieu is trying to call in some markers on some senators who are
retiring such as Harkin and Rockefeller and Levin from Michigan. They`re
standing tall. They`re not going to go along with the Keystone XL
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Will Senator Mary Landrieu say anything to win"?
Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can leave a comment at our blog
at ed.msnbc.com and we`ll bring you the results later on in this show.
For more, let me bring in Cyril Scott. He is the President of the Rosebud
Mr. Scott, good to have you with us tonight.
SCOTT: Good to be here Ed. Thank you.
SCHULTZ: You bet. You`ve said that you`re willing to lay down your life
to stop this. Do you feel the same way tonight?
SCOTT: Yes, I do Ed. This is a way of life. We`re talking about a way of
life of all Native American people. And I was elected to defend our people
and I will do that.
SCHULTZ: What is that mean, defend your people? Are you willing to be
confrontational with law enforcement?
SCOTT: We hope it doesn`t come down to that, but we`re willing to be
confrontational with Keystone XL pipeline if they try to cross our treaty
SCHULTZ: OK. And you are legally solid that there has not been
consultation with the Sioux as stipulated in previous treaties. Is that
SCOTT: That`s correct sir.
SCHULTZ: And what kind of reaction do you get from authorities when you
ask for consultation?
SCOTT: None, sir. We -- the treaty calls for us to met with to the
President of United States, to this day we have never had that opportunity
but I`m pretty sure it`s going to happen in the near future.
SCHULTZ: Do you think you`ll meet with the President?
SCOTT: I really do.
SCHULTZ: Do you think the President will side with you on this issue and
veto a bill if it comes to him?
SCOTT: Sure. I`m positive he will. He`s going to do the right thing.
As my colleague said earlier, the President was honored with a great name
here. And he`s going to do right things for Native American and the
country itself. You know, we`re not just fighting for our rights and our
children and our grandchildren. We`re fighting for your children, your
This water has to be protected at all cost, Ed.
SCHULTZ: So, the issues at this hour are -- number one, the permitting of
the land. The Nebraska State Supreme Court talking about eminent domain,
the concern of the treaties being honored and your tribes being consulted,
and the protection and the risk of the water, that place into it as well.
So those basically are the four main issues as this vote is unfolding.
SCOTT: Right Ed.
SCHULTZ: All right. Mr. Scott, good to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate your time.
I want to bring in Aldo Seoane, who is the co-founder of another tribe in
South Dakota. Although, how motivated -- you look like you`re praying
ALDO SEOANE, CO-FOUNDER, WICA AGLI: I`m just kind of getting my thoughts
together, Ed. I always appreciate you and your show. I just wanted to
clarify some things there.
Wica Agli is an organization that`s founded to help with awareness around
domestic and sexual violence and promote healthy masculinity. We operate
in and around the Rosebud Reservation. We`re not a separate tribe. We
just support Chairman Scott and believing what Chairman Scott was saying,
and in this fight to protect the land.
SCHULTZ: OK. Thank you for that clarification.
What are your main concerns about this pipeline from a construction
standpoint considering the organization that you represent?
SEOANE: Well -- I mean, it`s really clear Ed. Like you`ve said, the
people that are going to be coming to work on these pipelines are
journeymen from other places, you know, all over the country. They don`t
have a vested interest in our communities at all.
And, we have great concerns because what we`ve seen in the Bakken oil
fields, what we`ve seen up in Alberta, Canada. We`ve seen -- in Alberta
there is 2,700 missing women right now. In the Bakken oil fields we`ve
seen an increased of 70 percent domestic violence and sexual assault
happening to women up there.
Native women are the higher risk of sexual violence. We know that our
native women will probably be sexually assaulted at a rate of 30 percent.
We think it`s closer to probably 40 or 45 percent. And 86 percent of that
time, those are non-native offenders.
So you tell me Ed -- I mean, you put us in a situation when this pipeline
comes through, we`re in a rural area. You know, our resources are
stretched then. You bring in 1,200 guys, 2,000 guys and things are going
to happen not that all these men are bad but it`s just a huge population
coming in and it creates a recipe for disaster for our women and children.
SCHULTZ: And how sure are you that these workers are going to commit
crimes? I mean, that`s quite an indictment you`re making here.
SEOANE: I`m not saying that the workers. I am saying that there`s bad
apples everywhere you go and even if its one guy or two guys. You know,
not everybody is perfect, not everybody is going to make good decisions.
And there are some great concerns there and I`m not saying it just out of
the blue, we`ve seen that increase happen in the Bakken oil fields. We`ve
seen it up in Canada.
We know this is going to happen. There`s information, there`s quantifiable
proof that, you know, our people will be exposed, our relatives will be
exposed to violence.
SCHULTZ: Although you have been working the Hill, you`re coming to us
tonight from Washington, what do you hear from law makers on this issue?
What do they tell you to your face?
SEOANE: You know what? When we`ve met with several senators, they`re
basically saying, you know, even though we are concerned, even though we
are worried, that`s not really our problem. We`re going to keep going
forward with it.
Now, the ones that have supported us and are showing support, they`re
rooting and rallying behind us and saying that this is what is about. It`s
about people coming up, people taking control and reminding our leaders
that we put them there.
SCHULTZ: OK. Aldo Seoane, I appreciate your time tonight.
SEOANE: Thank you Ed.
SCHULTZ: Thanks for joining us.
Now, let`s talk about the politics to this. Let me bring in Adam Green,
co-founder of the Progressive Change Campaign Committee. Adam, good to
have you with us tonight.
ADAM GREEN, CO-FOUNDER, PCCC: Good to be here.
SCHULTZ: You could easily make the case that there`s nothing progressive
what Mary Landrieu is doing, your thoughts on her trying to save her seat
by gathering votes for Keystone.
GREEN: Yes. So one myth I really want to dispel is the idea that this is
a case of good policy versus good politics. This is both bad policy and
bad politics for Mary Landrieu.
You know, Republicans were very shrewd and they negotiate a deal which is
that, the same bill will pass in the Senate and the House if it passes it
all. The House bill is sponsored by Mary Landrieu`s opponent in the
election next month and that is the bill.
The Republicans bill sponsored by her opponent is the one that will
physically go to the White House for signature. So, if we destroy the
environment, if we hurt life on these tribes, if we have -- by the State
Department`s estimation 50 spills as a result of this pipeline, the big
beneficiary will be Bill Cassidy, her opponent. So horrible politics.
And I think you get the nail on the head. This is not about oil prices,
this is not energy independence, this is about big oil profits, the same
big oil companies that have, you know, contributed handsomely to Mitch
McConnell, the Republican leader and to Mary Landrieu.
SCHULTZ: Would this injure the progressive movement on climate change
trying to raise awareness? You`ll have doubled-digit Democrats voting for
GREEN: Absolutely. You know, every single time that Democrats try to act
like Republicans, voters decide to choose real Republicans.
We saw that in Arkansas with Mark Pryor losing, we saw Mark Warner almost
losing in Virginia by trying to be a Republican. This is a big oil bill.
And Democrats -- the path of victory for Democrats going forward is to
really show Americans big ideas. Big Elizabeth Warren`s style economic
populous idea is like expending...
... Wall Street and big corporations, exact the opposite, doing the bidding
of big oil.
This would hurt the Democratic brand in a major and...
... voters will remember that Democrats are complicit.
SCHULTZ: So there`s the left around the country, raise money to help Mary
Landrieu keep that seat after this vote?
GREEN: I doubt it. I doubt it. There`s not much money coming from
Right now, because she`s not campaigning on big bold ideas. You know,
something that`s really popular in Louisiana is social security. Something
else that`s really popular is that the Wall Street bankers who illegally
took away the homes of Mary Landrieu`s constituents should go to jail or at
least be held accountable in some way.
She`s not talking about any of these populous issues...
GREEN: ... and she`s really hurting herself again by both helping her
Republican opponent in this case and by just sullying the Democratic brand
associating it with big oil.
SCHULTZ: Adam Green, thanks for your time tonight, co-founder of the PCCC.
And of course keep it here for live coverage of the Keystone Senate vote
which is expected to start within this hour.
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SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight Bob Shrum, Democratic strategist and Warschaw
professor of politics at USC. Well, there`s no question that the
independent from Vermont Bob, has gotten a lot of media exposure as of
late. He just did eight interviews in one day plus on Colbert, what does
this mean? Is it Hillary`s for the taking still? How do you see it?
BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: Look, my firm when I was back in the
business used to be involved with Bernie Sanders and his campaigns in
Vermont, while the principal work was done by my then partner Tad Devine.
This guy is authentic, he`s funny, he has strong convictions, he`s a good
debater, there`s no question that he could help shape the dialogue.
Could he prevail over Hillary Clinton? I don`t think so, for one thing
despite his sharper rhetorical edge she`s out there talking about incoming
inequality. She`s out there talking about the minimum wage. She`d have a
big financial advantage. He has to come up with a dividing line.
Now I`ve heard him go after Bill Clinton`s record in the 1990s on issues
like financial deregulation and economic fairness. I think that`s a pretty
dangerous tactic to use against her if she`s out there with her own message
and her own vision. I think it would invite a backlash among women but not
just among women...
SCHULTZ: Is she really out there? She didn`t do any interviews with
anybody, I mean Bernie`s all over the place, I mean Bernie will sit down
and get after it and take every question, Hillary doesn`t do that.
SHRUM: Well, she`s going to do her own timing. She`s not going to let her
timing be driven by bookers for the networks. But if you listen to her
speeches during the midterm election and you listen to her alongside
Elizabeth Warren, at times it was hard to tell them apart in terms of what
they were saying. Now we`ll see if she goes out and runs that kind of
presidential campaign, I think she will, I think she learned from 2008.
She`s not going run a campaign of restoration. She`s going to run a
campaign on these big issues. It`s going to have a populous edge.
Bernie Sanders I think can certainly can run. Can he raise the money? It
all depends on the net routes, I mean John Kerry, Howard Dean, Barrack
Obama showed what you can raise on the internet, but a lot of those net
route Democrats are for Hillary Clinton. There`s so much on the line, from
the Supreme Court to health care to jobs to economic fairness that I think
people are ready to see her become the nominee.
So, I think he can have an impact, I think he`ll be presence, I think the
press would love this race. In the end I don`t think he prevails.
SCHULTZ: OK. So, how does he come to the conclusion that he would have a
chance to get the nomination? And I don`t -- I`m not convinced that Bernie
Sanders would get into this just for the conversation to be a part of it.
I think that he would get into it because he believes that there is a void
and he can offer something and he can win it. But, is it the money?
I mean if he goes around the country and he gets excellent crowds and he`s
upfront, he`s been very consistent with his answers for years. We know who
the guy is and it doesn`t take long to get to know him if you pay attention
to him. So, how does he come to a determination whether he does this or
SHRUM: Well I think he`s going to look whether he can raise the money. He
has to raise the money on the internet. You`re not going to have a lot of
contributors, big contributors giving him money because they don`t think
he`s going to win.
SHRUM: Number two, if no one else runs, you know, Hillary is far ahead of
where she was going into 2008. She`s at about 68-70 percent of Democrats
want here, back then it was 31 percent. So she`s far ahead but there`s
room for someone else, if they want to get in there and if they want to
have a contest.
And, you know, when people start thinking about becoming president, they
can look at something like the Obama-Clinton race and they can say, "Well
maybe I have a chance here."
SHRUM: And it`s worth giving it a try. Do I think that it`s like Obama in
2007? I don`t. I have a lot of respect for Bernie Sanders. The one thing
I hope he never does is contemplate a third-party independent for
president. Because I don`t he wants to be the Ralph Nader of 2016.
SCHULTZ: No he knows what the other side is all about, Bob Shrum good to
have you with us tonight, I appreciate it.
The NFL speaks out about the suspension of running back Adrian Peterson,
new details ahead.
And we are waiting the Keystone XL pipeline vote in the Senate. Stay
tuned, live coverage here on the Ed Show on MSNBC we`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show, thanks for watching tonight. You`re
looking at a live shot of the Senate floor as law makers are wrapping up
debate over a bill to approve the Keystone XL pipeline, its standalone
legislation. The Senate is expected to take a vote within the next half
hour, be sure to keep it here we`ll give you the latest.
For more let`s go to Maryland Senator Ben Cardin, senator good to have you
with us, what are you hearing on the floor?
SEN. BEN CARDIN, (D) MARYLAND: Well thanks Ed. I think the vote will be
within one or two either way. So, it`s a very close vote we`re expecting
on the floor of the United States Senate. It`s been a pretty heated debate
on the floor and we just now have to wait and see senator votes. But we
know it`s going to be very close.
SCHULTZ: Why are you voting against the pipeline?
CARDIN: Well, I just don`t think this makes any sense. You`re talking
about the dirtiest oil from Canada being transported through the United
States for the international market when Canada doesn`t even want to
transport it through their own country. We`re not talking about permanent
-- any significant number of permanent jobs and it`s not really affecting
America`s energy independence. So, I don`t really understand what this is
all about as far as the United States is concerned.
SCHUTLZ: Well Senator Landrieu today said on the floor that it`s about
sending a signal, what`s your response to that?
CARDIN: Well, Senator Landrieu has very strong views about it and I know
she feels strongly about the Keystone pipeline, I just disagree with her
conclusion. I really don`t believe this will benefit the United States, I
know, we`ve heard our international leadership dealing with climate change.
We know that this is the dirtiest of oils, it`s not only the emissions from
its use, it`s how you get it from the ground that causes a tremendous
negative impact on our environment.
SCHULTZ: Do you think that there is a feeling within the Senate Democratic
caucus that they want to help Mary Landrieu?
CARDIN: I think Mary Landrieu is a very articulate, very strong
legislator. She represents her state very well and look, she`s persuasive,
she makes a strong case on her view. I disagree with it, but I do think we
feel that she represents her state very well.
SCHULTZ: And what do you think the President will do if it comes to his
CARDIN: Well that -- I don`t have a definitive judgment. I would hope
that if we don`t stop it here that he would veto it, but obviously we don`t
SCHULTZ: Do you get a sense that he would?
CARDIN: Well everything he said about Keystone in the past, you would
think that he would veto it. So, I would hope that he would veto the bill.
SCHULTZ: OK, Senator Ben Carding good to have you with us tonight, I
appreciate it and of course we`re expecting a Senate vote on Keystone
within the hour, stay with us for all the latest.
And of course we`ve got Rapid Response Panel coming up next here on the Ed
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show, earlier today NFL announced that
Minnesota Viking`s running back Adrian Peterson has been suspended without
pay for at least the remainder of this season. In a letter to Peterson,
the NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell said Peterson has, "shown no meaningful
remorse for his conduct." Goodell said the timing of Peterson`s
reinstatement will be based on the results of the counseling and treatment
program set forth in today`s decision.
The Viking`s released a statement today saying that the -- they respect the
league`s decision and have no further comment. However, the National
Football League Player`s Association made it clear that they will appeal.
They are calling on NFL management to, "Commit to collective bargaining for
the implementation of a fair personal conduct policy," because they believe
the NFL has ignored their obligations and attempted to impose a new and
arbitrary disciplinary proceeding.
In September of course Peterson was indicted on a felony charge to injure a
child for using a wooden stick to discipline his four-year-old son. On
November 4th, Peterson pleaded no contest to a lesser charge of misdemeanor
Today`s NFL ruling comes after report surfaced that Peterson failed to show
up for an NFL disciplinary hearing on Friday. On Sunday, Peterson released
a statement saying that, "The process the NFL is pushing is arbitrary,
inconsistent and contrary to what they agreed to do, and for those reasons
I never agreed to the hearing."
Joining me tonight in the Rapid Response Panel, William C. Rhoden who is a
New York Times Sport Columnist, and also Michael Eric Dyson, MSNBC
Political Analyst and Professor at Georgetown University, gentlemen good to
have you with us tonight.
MICHAEL ERIC DYSON, MSNBC POLITICAL ANALYST: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Failure to show a meaningful remorse for his conduct, Will what
does that mean?
WILLIAM C. PAUL, NEW YORK TIMES SPORT COLUMNIST: Well, what it means --
what people have to realize is that, those comments Peterson made in a
grand jury hearing. He made those comments in the grand jury hearing and -
- he was trying to say why he did what he did. He was been, you know, he
was on the defense of saying, "This is why I did what I did".
For the NFL to take those comments and then basically turn it around on
him, I think is part of this inconsistency that I think that at a root of a
much larger problem about how the NFL continues to play to the crowd.
That`s what this is.
SCHULTZ: Do you this is as much about that as anything else?
RHODEN: Probably even more. This -- everything Ray Rice, their reaction
to it, to a punishment here, but there`s a public outcry now we`re going to
Same thing with the Vikings, they were going to put -- they were going to
restate them, then there was public outcry, we`re not going to suspend you.
So I think that everything that`s happening here...
RHODEN: ... is really -- is I think is about playing to the crowd.
SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson, the running back of the Vikings, Peterson that`s the
NFL didn`t do what they said they were going to do. That`s why he didn`t
show up. Isn`t this making the case for the Players Association have real
role in all of these? So he has some player representation here, your
thoughts on this.
DYSON: Well, absolutely right. You`ve got deal with the fact that you got
to be consistent, you got to be lucid you got to be clear. And the players
have to understand what`s being asked to them, what`s being required to
them, what`s being demanded to them and what the punishment is should they
fail me to certainly obligation?
So I`m in absolute agreement there. And while I acknowledge what my friend
Bill Rhoden says is absolutely true, they`re playing to the galleries,
they`re playing to the crowd. You know, when you`re putting your finger in
the wind, if this blow this way then you got to act one way and if this
blows this way would act another. That`s all true.
But let`s not forget, at the end of the day they are victims here. A woman
was beaten and in this case a child was beaten. Let`s not forget who the
real victims are, it`s a guy loosing a bunch of money even though I agree
with his right to appeal and I think the Players Union ought to everything
to get it right...
SCHULTZ: So you think the Commissioner did the right thing?
DYSON: Well look, I think the Commissioner -- whether the Commissioner did
the right thing or not is irrelevant to the broader issue that punishment
has to be netted out for this man`s abuse of his child and for Ray Rice`s
abuse of his then fiancee and now his wife.
The question is, can they come to grips about what they agreed upon
punishment is. So I don`t think there should be arbitrariness in that.
But I do believe that we shouldn`t lose sight of the real victims here,
it`s not Adrian Peterson, it`s not Ray Rice. The real victims are Janay
Rice and in this case the little boy of Adrian Peterson.
RHODEN: Well, you know, that all true. Of course it all true, that`s like
saying, you know, who like Christmas? We all like Christmas of course.
DYSON: There you have it (ph).
RHODEN: ... when you do that you have to do it. But the problem here
though is that, what the Commissioner is trying to do -- and listen you got
a lead that`s made of primarily of black players and a fan base that
primarily made up of white fans. What this -- what his trying to do is let
the people know that I`ve got this under control, that I`m running the show
that these people are not out of control. And by the way the Players
Association give up the right, they gave up the right...
SCHULTZ: So are you suggesting that the NFL has a leadership problem?
RHODEN: Oh yeah, they don`t have an image problem. They definitely have a
leadership problem. That`s the problem. It was problem with Rice. I mean
for everything that Professor Dyson said it`s true, but look how the whole
Ray Rice thing was...
SCHULTZ: Here`s Terry Bradshaw, former NFL quarterback and analyst on one
of the networks. Here`s what he said on the WFAN earlier today.
(BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
TERRY BRADSHAW, FRM NFL QUARTERBACK: I have a hard time with this. You
know, they want remorse I mean, they want him to -- I guess, break down and
cry and wail at the Commissioner`s feet, you know. This Commissioner`s got
way too much power, Jack. If I were him, I`d take him to court and force
(END AUDIO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Dr. Dyson what do you think of that?
DYSON: Well look there`s no question that there`s a question of balance, a
question of power, a question of fairness and arbitrariness. So agree with
that. But to get back Bill Rhoden`s point. I don`t believe that we all
know that it`s evident that women and children are victims here. Because
if it was so evidence -- evident we won`t be doing it.
And if so evident we`d already have policy in place to address this. So I
want to address the ratio disparity that Bill Rhoden brilliantly points to
here and make it more explicit.
Yes, there is the sense that we got to get this people under control and
then the pathology that bleeds through their families now has began to
bleed through our brand and therefore it will begin to tarnish what we`re
able to do economically. So let`s be honest about that, but on the other
hand let`s not neglect our responsibility to say, "Let`s speak up for those
victims who`re voiceless and nameless and often faceless", and that`s women
And so we can`t afford that kind of moral responsibility on our hands
either without being honest about both of these issues. Money is at play,
morality is at play and...
DYSON: ... we got to pay attention to both.
RHODEN: And, but here`s my problem. I mean I agree with all the moral
higher ground, but the Commissioner is not being moral. In other words he
sees the tape of Ray Rice beating his girlfriend, right? And his first
response is, "OK, you get three games." Now, when it comes -- when we see
the whole tape, now all of sudden and there`s a moral outcry. Now he`s got
sort of change it. He didn`t see that event as a father looking at his
RHODEN: So, I agree with you about the morality. But these guys aren`t
dealing with morality. They`re dealing with which way the wind is blowing.
SCHULTZ: I think the NFL Commissioner is saying we`d have enough bad
press, we don`t need a followup of what Peterson is doing and let`s just
put it off the next year and the league will be just fine and we got to
send the message to any of these players that if they get involved in any
these kind of stuff, the league can survive without him. I think that`s
part of it. Michael.
DYSON: Well, there`s no question about that. Bill Rhoden`s point is not
undermined by that. The reality is, yes they are concern about the
DYSON: ... they`re concern about the media, they`re concern about what it
looks like but at the same time I`m saying we can`t forget the real victims
here whether or not Roger Goodell thinks it or not.
SCHULTZ: Bill Rhoden, Michael Eric Dyson. Gentlemen thanks so much. I
RHODEN: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: We`re still awaiting the final vote of the Keystone XL pipeline
at the Senate we`ll bring you the latest. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We`re waiting the Senate vote of
the Keystone XL pipeline. Just moment ago, Louisiana Senator Mary Landrieu
was on the Senate floor still pushing for the project.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
LANDRIEU: This resource will be developed by Canada no matter what anyone
in the United States in the House or the Senate of either party does. That
is the fact.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: I would challenge that. How does he know what the Canadians are
going to do? There`s just a big a push up north to stop this as there is
to United States. When the vote happens, we will bring it to you live here
Coming up, the parents of Michael Brown prepared for the grand jury
decision. The family`s attorney joins me live next stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, tension is high for the people of Ferguson,
Missouri. They are waiting for seven man and five women of a grand jury to
see if they`re going to decide whether they going to indict or not indict
Police Officer Darren Wilson. Police, protester and now the National Guard
are all waiting for a decision.
Late yesterday Missouri Governor Jay Nixon, declared a state of emergency,
the declaration will allow him to bring in the National Guard troops to
support police if necessary.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They kind of send a message that we are expecting the
worse. And I worry about that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t want any officers injured by flying bricks and
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We intend it to make peaceful...
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Protesters have been marching on the street of Ferguson since
Brown`s death, they`re demanding justice. To them justice includes
indictment against Officer Wilson. James Knowles the Mayor of Ferguson is
backtracking on a comment he made back in August. Knowles said he regret
saying that there is not a racial divide in Ferguson.
He said, "There are racial divides in this country. There are divides
between men and women. And I was defensive. I took the stand that I felt
somebody was attacking what I knew to be a good community who embraced
diversity, who loved our neighborhood". The district attorney says he
expects a decision of the grand jury by the end of this month.
I`m joined tonight by Benjamin Crump, Attorney for the Brown family. Mr.
Crump for you time tonight. The Governor calling for a state of emergency,
getting the National Guard involved, equipping law enforcement. What is
this doing to the emotions of the people in Ferguson and do you think it`s
the right thing to do?
BENJAMIN CRUMP, BROWN FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well Ed, emotions are running high
and I think as Michael Brown`s parents have said over and over again, the
citizens of Ferguson are good people. They have a right to express their
first amendment constitutional rights. They would do it in a peaceful
constructive way and want people to come out of town to have help join
them, follow their example because, we as Americans should expect the best
not only for my citizen by also from our police officers.
And the governor has never spoke about the inappropriate things that police
officers have done. In fact the very essence why we`re here is what many
believe was inappropriate behavior on behalf of the police. So, he needs
to be even hand it to both groups. We`re all in this boat together Ed.
SCHULTZ: And you do know believe the Governor has even handed on this?
CRUMP: When you look at his comments he`s only talking about supporters to
Michael Brown. But we saw those horrible images in August where police
officers were pointing gun at 13-year-old children and shooting women with
rubber bullets. And we said, "This isn`t the America that we all know."
America has to be America for everybody, the people at Ferguson as well as
those who police Ferguson. We want to be protected and served not policed.
SCHULTZ: Mr. Crump how instrumental do you think or how influential do you
think the video tape that was released by the Saint Louise dispatcher over
the weekend plays into this whole ordeal now?
CRUMP: It was very important Ed because Ferguson police did what police
department is all across America do, when they have accusation of excessive
force of a police shooting. They try to vilify the victim and they try to
put the police put on a pedestal. And by exaggerating this leak that his
injury was over to (ph) blown out, frigid eye socket.
But when you look at video, you say this two hours later and he -- sometime
before even went to the station, if his injury was that significant, why
wasn`t he immediate to hospital. So, America would have to judge why they
exaggerate his injuries.
SCHULTZ: What is your reaction to the Mayor James Knowles backtracking on
his comment about racial diversity in Ferguson?
CRUMP: Well, I think clearly he have to look the makeup of the police
department and saying there was some lack of diversity there when you have
over -- almost 70 percent of the town African-American. Here you have only
three police officers out of 55.
CRUMP: And so, we have work to do as a country Ed. And we have some
serious conversation. We have to find some positive solutions here. And
this would be defining moment not only for Missouri but for America. We
have to do better.
SCHULTZ: And Mr. Crump how troubling is it to you as an officer of the
court that there have been some leaks out of the grand jury. And what
effect does that have on all of these?
CRUMP: You know, Ed. We never felt there should have been grand jury in
the first place. What this community has is mistrust about the law
enforcement authorities and the persecutor. So the worst thing we think
you can do is do a secret proceeding that isn`t transparent.
And if we didn`t have the grand jury in this secret proceeding we wouldn`t
have to have worry about leaks. We could all see it like the constitution
says. We have a right to due process of the law. Michael Brown Junior who
was lying dead on the street has a right to due process of the law. And
lastly, if he though this process was so fair. Then he should have did
this all along 28 years. Why now when Michael Brown is killed that we
change the rules?
SCHULTZ: Benjamin Crump, thank you for time tonight on the Ed Show. And
if course we`re awaiting the decision of the grand jury.
Also the Senate is now voting on the Keystone XL pipeline. Stay tuned to
MSNBC for all the result.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.
Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.
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