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The Ed Show for Wednesday, January 14th, 2015

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January 14, 2015

Guest: Brad Woodhouse, James Pindell, Michio Kako, Dean Obeidallah, Ruth


FMR. GOV. MITT ROMNEY, (R) MASSACHUSETTS: ... the chance for running for
president, do it.

another chance.

that we`re the party of the rich unfortunately continues to grow.

ROMNEY: I`m not...

Oh, it`s really about the very poor.

I like being able to fire people who provide services to me.

$10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet.

PRIEBUS: It`s frustrating.

ROMNEY: I`m not running for president in 2016.

I`m not running.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Mitt Romney told GOP donors he is considering
running for president in 2016.

ROMNEY: I`m not familiar precisely what exactly what I said but I stand by
what I said whatever it was.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks, thanks for watching, the
entertainment just getting started. The middle class millionaire just
can`t take his eyes off the White House. Mitt Romney is gearing up for his
third presidential run. I`m loving it.

Senior Republican told the Washington Post that Romney almost certainly
will run for president. The Post reports that Romney is moving quickly to
reassemble his national political network calling former aids, donors and
other supporters. Romney will also be attending this week`s RNC meeting in
San Diego. A source close to Romney said he will deliver remarks on Friday
night. I bet they can`t wait.

I say Mitt Romney should absolutely go for it. It can`t possibly go any
worse than 2012.


ROMNEY: I`m in this race because I care about Americans. I`m not
concerned about the very poor we have a safety net there. If it needs a
repair I`ll fix it. I`m not concern about the very rich they`re doing just
fine. I`m concern about the very heart of America, the 90-95 percent of
Americans who right now are struggling.

I like being to fire people who provide services to me. If, you know, if
someone doesn`t give you the good service I need, I want to say, you know,
that I`m going to go get somebody else to provide that service to me.

I`m not sure about these cookies. They don`t look like you made them. No,
no, they came from the local 7-11 bakery or whatever.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Governor what did you buy?

ROMNEY: Hardware stuff.

Rick, I`ll tell you what, $10,000 bucks? $10,000 bet?

GOV. RICK PERRY, (R) TEXAS: I`m not in the betting business...


PERRY: ... I`ll tell you this. I`ll show you the book.

ROMNEY: Yeah, I should tell my story, I`m also unemployed.

I like the fact that most of the cars I see are Detroit made automobiles.
I drive a Mustang and Chevy pickup truck and drives a couple of Cadillacs

Join me in welcoming the next president of the United States Paul Ryan.

Every now and then I`m known to make a mistake. I did not make a mistake
on this guy. But I can tell you this he`s going to be the next vice
president of the Untied States.


SCHULTZ: Well, Mitt Romney is already trying to repaint himself as a new
candidate and make Americans forget about this car elevator. I mean
there`s just so many stories out there. Now the Boston Globe reports that
Romney has been telling supporters that he would run on an antipoverty
platform. And if that`s his plan, Mitt Romney will no doubt have to answer
for the 2012 game changer.


ROMNEY: There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president
no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are
dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe
that government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that
they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to -- you name it,
that that`s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And
they will vote for this president no matter what.


SCHULTZ: Romney is also making the case that he will be strong on foreign
policy. A longtime Romney advisor told the Boston Globe, if Romney we`re
president -- get a load of this folks, there wouldn`t be an ISIS at all and
Putin would know his place in life.

Many are already criticizing Romney for even thinking about doing this
again. If Romney does run, it will no doubt make for really some pretty
mud sling over in the GOP primary. Kentucky Senator Rand Paul is already
going for it.


SEN. RAND PAUL, (R) KENTUCKY: If he runs to the right of Jeb Bush, he`ll
still be to the left of the rest of the party, so it maybe a difficult spot
to occupy. Look, I like Governor Romney, I like him personally, I think he
is a good person, I think he was a great businessman. But, you know,
that`s yesterday`s news, he`s tried twice.

I don`t really think that there is a third time out there. I think he did
a lot things right, but in the end you got to have a bigger constituency,
you got to get new people, you got to attract new people to win and I think
it`s time that probably the party is going to be looking for something
fresh and new.


SCHULTZ: Well, Rand Paul didn`t stop there. He took his criticism on
Romney a little bit further today. He was quoted in saying, "When you do
the same thing and expected a different result, it`s sort of what Einstein
said, what the definition of insanity is to do the same thing over and over
again expect a different result."

And The Wall Street Journal slammed Mitt in a brutal editorial on Tuesday.
And it read in part quoting, "The question for the former Massachusetts
governor will have to answer is why he would be a better candidate than he
was in 2012. Romney is a man of admirable personal character but his
political profile is, well, protean with this instinctive belief that 47
percent of America would never vote for him, and his inability to defend
his Bain record. Mr. Romney would be the ideal foil for such a campaign."

You know, I disagree with all that, I do. There`s a lot of people taking
shots at Romney for doing this. Mitt Romney does believe that he has a
real shot this time around. The landscape is going to be a lot different
in 2016. The competition I don`t think is going to be as tough as Barack
Obama. If Hillary Clinton is the nominee, I find it hard to believe that
she`s going to be able to match the organization that Obama had and the
ground game.

Just look at what happened in Iowa, I mean, you got to be brilliant on the
basics. The Republican motivation against the Clinton is well-documented
and still pretty strong to this day. Now it`s going to be tougher for the
Democrats to will Ohio and Florida in 2016 because of what? Things that
we`ve been reporting on, voter suppression.

Republican governors in both of those states, Scott and of course Kasich in
Ohio, that`s going to not really help the Democrats too much. Plus the
positions of Secretary of State and the legislators down there are held by
the Republicans in both of those states. So, they will continue to
suppress the vote. So I can see why Mitt Romney might be a little bit more
confident today than he was going up against the Obama machine back in

Just today, House Judiciary Chair Bob Goodlatte, he said, it`s not
necessary to fix the Voting Rights Act. So the Voting Rights Act didn`t
get any attention. Not by the Republicans. We should also point out that
Romney, what is he? He`s leading in the polls.

A new poll released has Romney in the lead in Iowa. Iowa voters have got
him in 21 percent, Jeb Bush at 14 percent, Scott Walker at 10 percent.
Everyone will certainly be dusting off the old Romney video tape as we did
just a little bit here in the segment, but you never know a third time
could be the charm and you can`t convince me that the landscape is going to
be the same and the competition is going to be the same.

Not to take a shot at Hillary or any of her folks, but the fact is Romney
might have more mojo than what people think. And I just wonder how hard is
he selling on these calls and how are these phone calls being received.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
questions, does Mitt Romney have any chance of becoming president? Text A
for yes, text B for no to 67622, you can always go to our blog at, we`ll bring you the results later on in the show.

For more let me bring in Brad Woodhouse tonight, he is the President of
American Bridge 21st Century, and James Pindell who is a political reporter
for The Boston Globe, gentlemen good to have you with us.


SCHULTZ: Mr. Pindell let`s start with you. Give -- characterize what you
think these conversations are sounding like. How hard is Mitt Romney

Again, there`s perception and then there`s the reality here. And the
perception Mitt Romney really wants people to understand, he kind of wants
to do this again. And the field -- those who are around him, very close to
him, they also feel that same way, whether or not they`re playing some
other game, whether or not he`s not maybe serious at the end. Look, I
can`t read his mind.

But all the indications are, he is very serious about getting into this
race, some advisors going so far as to say, he`s back, he`s in this race

SCHULTZ: What do you think Brad, does Romney have a shot at the Republican

WOODHOUSE: Ed, I think he does have a shot at the Republican nomination.
And look, I think The Wall Street Journal asked the wrong question. The
question isn`t can Mitt Romney be a better candidate than he was in 2012?
The question is, can he be a better candidate than anyone else running for
the Republican nomination? And, I think he can probably make a case that
he can be.

And I would say the other thing that these candidates need to look at, that
are thinking about running is are they ready for what Mitt Romney is
prepared to do to them? Are they ready for what Mitt Romney did to Newt
Gingrich, did to Rick Perry, did to Rick Santorum, because if he decides to
get in, he`ll take no prisoners.

SCHULTZ: All right. James has Mitt Romney ever talked about poverty to
the point where it has to be addressed government? I mean when he says
he`s going to run on an antipoverty platform. That tells me that he thinks
that government has a role in dealing with poverty in this country. Is
this new? And you`ve covered him and the folks of Massachusetts have
covered him for years.

PINDELL: Yeah look, I mean, in one thing you`ve never really heard Mitt
Romney go out there and it is a major point, to the point now that one of
his three major focuses of a 2016 presidential campaign. You know, it does
remind me a lot of what Paul Ryan was saying when he was running for vice
president and trying to bring up conservative, have Jack Kent sort of
principles in urban America.

I don`t know how much that involves government assistance. Probably not so
much as a conservative like Mitt Romney is maybe more government off the
back. But certainly I think there`s going to be a big pivot in American
politics generally. You are seeing Jeb Bush talk about this as an issue.
You`re seeing Ted Cruz even talk about it a little but and Rand Paul.

And then you are seeing some populist tendencies coming out of Hillary
Clinton. That maybe motivated of course by Elizabeth Warren. But if you
will step back and the question you ask was a good one. Could Mitt Romney
be the Republican nominee?

Look, for the next year before we have the first votes in Iowa and brought
that right now in New Hampshire, we`re in this period called the invisible
primary, right? And the only way you can kind of figure out whose winning
today or whose winning the next month is on three different things, polling
which Mitt Romney has been very well with and fundraising which Mitt Romney
has a very good strong donor base or we wouldn`t be having this
conversation and then sort of the organization or the ground game. And
clearly there`s no one in this field running for President right now in
terms of the Republican side...


PINDELL: ... who had even close...

SCHULTZ: That`s right.

PINDELL: to what Mitt Romney does...

SCHULTZ: I mean he is...

PINDELL: ... the operation here in New Hampshire and Iowa if he wants it.

SCHULTZ: His timing is good but his record is not invincible. The bottom
line here is he never said anything about money being held off shore
avoiding taxes. He`s an outsourcer: I mean I remember going to La Porte,
Illinois doing the story on a very business that bane outsourcer. That
record is still there. And so if the Republicans are going to connect with
the middle class, how are they going to reinvent, Brad, how are they going
to reinvent Mitt Romney to be some kind of new candidate with his record?

WOODHOUSE: Well look, I think this antipoverty, one of the three planks
that supposedly is going to be part of his campaign. I believe that it is
just that. It`s just a reinvention. It`s a reinvention to try to, you
know, distract people from his 47 percent comment. It`s a reinvention to
try to distract people from his comment that, you know, he`s not concerned
about the very poor.

I do believe there are people on both sides of the isle, Republicans and
Democrats that genuinely are concerned about the issue of income inequality
and wage stagnation. I just don`t believe Mitt Romney is actually one of
those people. I believe he feels like he needs to figure out a way to fix
what held him in the last campaign. So I think it`s a talking point not a

SCHULTZ: So who goes after Romney in a debate? I mean how tough is this
going to get? I mean are they going to go after him on his outsourcing
record? Are they going to go after him on being not able to connect,
almost socially awkward sitting down saying, you know, you didn`t make
these cookies. I mean, how -- this is rather amazing and yet he polls very

And James you were with Rand Paul in New Hampshire today. Any mention of

PINDELL: Absolutely, he thinks his yesterday`s news. I asked him
specifically did he have any advice for Mitt Romney. And said sure, I`ll
give Mitt Romney the advice that he said just a couple of months ago when
he said that, you know, what he`s not going to run again for President and
it`s time for a new face. And, you know, what is interesting about this
conversation is we`re talking about this 2016 Republican presidential
nomination as a time when Republicans might possibly rebrand themselves.

What direction would they take? And obviously Rand Paul is a very
fascinating figure when you talk about that rebranding whether it would
come to foreign affairs or more of the libertarian bend on social issues or
Wall Street versus Main Street. But now we`re talking and say -- the
direction and you see new faces, Jeb Bush, right?


PINDELL: Mitt Romney and of course Rand Paul is not to be...

SCHULTZ: All right.

PINDELL: ... not leaving aside any chances to hit both of them.

SCHULTZ: And the people around him are they making a mistake early on here
Brad? Of course if Mitt Romney was President there wouldn`t be any ISIS
and Vladimir Putin would know his place in life. I mean they`re off to a
hell of a start, aren`t they?

WOODHOUSE: Well look, that is kind of on the pail to go that far. But I
understand their instinct to look at whatever they think is wrong with the
Obama record as it exist now since the last election. And have an, I told
you so moment, and really go into the primary and say why would, you know,
I was right on all of these things. Why would you trust any one else?


WOODHOUSE: Any one else to do this. I think his problem is a central
thing was the economy. And look what`s happening now with the economy for
example, the unemployment rate is falling much faster than Mitt Romney has
promised in the last campaign.

SCHULTZ: Well he said that Obama didn`t know anything about the economy.

WOODHOUSE: That`s right.

SCHULTZ: He was against the automobile loan. He said Detroit should have
gone bankrupt. I mean there`s all kinds of stuff out there.


SCHULTZ: But I wonder if the Chris Christie`s in the world and the
Walker`s in the world are going to hold him accountable for that kind of
stuff that he so terribly off base on. Brad Woodhouse and James Pindell
great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your time.

PINDELL: Thanks Ed.

SCHULTZ: Thanks so much. Remember to answer tonight`s question there at
the bottom of the screen. Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @edshow.
Like us on Facebook, we appreciate that. Always want to know what you

Coming up, the right-wing puts more hate on President Obama for his Paris
response. We`ll bring you the latest on all of that.

But first Ted Cruz takes on a new role as Guardian of the Galaxy.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. The International Space Station
faced a scare today as a report of an ammonia leak lead to the evacuation
of the American side of the Space Station. NASA scientists believed it was
a false alarm. But an earlier scarier scenario is playing out here on
earth. Ted Cruz is in charge of NASA`s future.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 3, 2, 1 and lift off.

SCHULTZ: NASA`s future is up in the air as Senator Ted Cruz is tapped to
chair the subcommittee on space, science and competitiveness.

SEN. TED CRUZ, (R) TEXAS: And our capacity to maintain world leading
advantage in space flight is a critical priority for the nation.

SCHULTZ: The question is will we make gains in space or science with Ted
Cruz in charge?

CRUZ: Today I was disappointed that Bruce Willis was not available to be a
5th witness on the panel.

BRUCE WILLIS, ACTOR: This is the best that you could that the government,
the U.S. government can come up with.

SCHULTZ: The small government minded Texas Senator tried to cut NASA`s
funding back in July of 2013.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mission abort. I repeat mission abort.

SCHULTZ: He failed that time. But less than three month later Cruz`s
radical agenda threatened NASA again.

OBAMA: And I want to be very clear about what that shutdown would mean.
NASA will shutdown almost entirely.

SCHULTZ: Cruz`s shutdown furloughed 97 percent of NASA`s staff.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Less than 600 of the space agency`s 18,000 employees
will continue working.

SCHULTZ: Support staff for America`s astronaut and space continued to work
but progress stalled for the space program.

CHRIS SCOLESE, GODDARD CENTER DIRECTOR: We have a number of projects going
on. They`re about 20 in development frankly and most of them are impacted.
All of them were impacted.

SCHULTZ: NASA`s work isn`t just out of this world. The agency`s research
on the climate change is key to protecting our own planet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: NASA satellites provide critical data of what`s
happening on our planet today. Real-life observation scientists use to
hone their predictions.

polar region where we taken scientists and instruments that can measure the
thickness of ice.

SCHULTZ: It`s an issue Ted Cruz just doesn`t believe in.

CRUZ: The problem with climate change is there`s never been a day in the
history of the world in which the climate has not change.

SCHULTZ: Cruz`s chairmanship is expected to be confirmed this month. It
could be space`s final frontier.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Live long and proper.


SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight is Dr. Michio Kako who is the professor of
physics at the City -- University of New York and author of "The Future of
the Mind." Doctor, good to have you with us tonight. Is a scary scenario
that is playing out?

MICHIO KAKO, CUNY PROFESSOR OF PHYSICS: Well, it`s like having the fox
guard the chicken coop. Don`t be surprised if all we have left are chicken
bones. Remember that Ted Cruz has gone on record, has saying that he does
not believe in global warming. That by itself is OK. The danger is, that
he will allow ideology to guide scientific policy and that could be a dead-
end disaster. That`s something we have to watch very carefully to keep him

SCHULTZ: Do you think the scientific community is concerned about this, I
mean you`ve got to have funding to do things and to be innovative and to
move forward and research?

KAKO: Exactly right. You realize that science is the engine of
prosperity, the wealth, the jobs, the wealth of the world is depending upon
science. It`s the goose that lay the golden egg but if you kill the goose,
don`t be surprised if wealth, jobs, innovation, competitiveness go out the
window because of ideology.

SCHULTZ: Well, how deep do you think this Senator from Texas is going to
get into the operations of NASA? NASA going to have to come back and
justify everything they`re doing for funding and if it`s any connection
whatsoever to climate change it`s going to get cut. I mean obviously,
Washington and NASA aren`t on the same page on this issue.

KAKO: Well, whether you are Republican or a Democrat, you should not allow
ideology to guide policy. Data should guide policy not ideology. However,
the problem here is that if he`s in charge of the NASA budget, he could
allow the manned space program to go forward because the Houston Space
Center is based in Texas after all. They vote.

On the other hand, he may decrease the budget for investigation of the
atmosphere, in other words, global warming. We need the data in order to
predict how hot the earth will get into the future. And if he cuts that
budget, we`re going to be going blind into the future.

SCHULTZ: What is it say to NASA that he shut the government down and it
cost the country $25 billion and of the 18,000 employees, there are only
600 on the job?

KAKO: Well I think most Americans believe that it`s a disgrace. It`s a
disgrace that the whole government was allowed to shutdown, jobs who are
affected, people were thrown out of work. And so, what were we doing?
It`s no wonder that Congress has such a low approval rating in the polls
when it can`t get its act together.

SCHULTZ: He released a statement today regarding the space program. He
writes Russia`s status as the current gatekeeper of the international space
station could threaten our capability to explore and learn, stunting our
capacity to reach new heights and share innovations with free people
everywhere. The United States should work alongside our international
partners, but not be dependent on them. What`s you`re reaction to that?

KAKO: Well, realize that the international space station is a
multinational effort and realize that we are dependent upon the Russians.
We in fact are hitch hiking on Russian booster rockets. And it`s is one
area, one bright area, cooperation in fact between America and Russia in
light of what`s happening in the Ukraine that right now the American
astronauts are being evacuated from the American sector and put in to the
Russian sector of the international space station.

So right now, we still have a bright hope that cooperation will still
continue in outer space.

SCHULTZ: Does NASA have enough funding right now to do what it needs to do
on climate change? I mean this is going to be a big issue in 2016, the
next two years a lot of folks feel like we`re not going to be making any
progress whatsoever because we`re into the ideological battles that you`re
speaking off. But do they have enough? Could they use more and what would
they use it for if they did?

KAKO: We need an instantaneous snapshot of the entire planet Earth so that
we can use computer projections into the future. That`s how we do it. We
don`t put our finger into the wind and guess what is going to be like
tomorrow. We have satellites giving us instantaneous read outs of the
temperature, water temperature, humidity, carbon dioxide content of the
planet Earth.

If the budget is cut, we`re going to be going blind. We`re not going know
which way the atmosphere is going, and then strictly a question of
political football as to how the presidential candidate aligned on this
question. We have to have data, that`s the bottom line.

Data is the key to the future, the key to our prosperity, the key to the
next generation of Americans, and if we cut it, we`re just going to have
chicken bones.

SCHULTZ: Dr. Kako, I appreciate your time tonight. Thanks for coming in.
Thank you so much.

Coming up, we`ll take you live to Paris. New French cartoon sparked fresh
outrage and retaliation fear. We`ll bring you the latest.

But next, your questions. Ask Ed Live, coming up on the Ed Show. We`ll be
right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching. I appreciate
all the questions in our Ask Ed Segment. We got a couple tonight. Our
first comes from Connie.

She wants to know, "When do you think Hillary will announce her bid for the

Well, the clock is ticking for any competition I`ll tell you that because
the longer Hillary waits the calendar narrows for those who may oppose her
to go out and raise money. So I think there`s a strategy to Hillary
keeping her powder dry. She can announce whenever. She`s got the machine
behind her on the Democratic side.

The question is what will her opponents do? And there are some out there
who are thinking about running, no question about it. I think they got to
get with it and announce.

Our next question is from Larry. He wasn`t to know, "What could Democrats
be doing right now to help win in 2016?"

Well, how about paying attention to the news cycle and not, you know, pay
attention to everything obviously what`s going over on in France but guess
what? The Republicans have wasted no time. Everything they said that they
were going to try to change they`ve already started on. So, that should
motivates some folks but what`s could you really do? Talk to your family
members and don`t be afraid to keep talking.

Lot`s more coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us.

market wrap.

Stocks skid again. The Dow falls 186 points. The S&P sheds 11. The
NASDAQ off by 22 points.

The latest read on retail sales did not help markets today. Sales slid 0.9
percent last month, the biggest decline in a year.

Meanwhile shares of JPMorgan lost more than 3 percent of today`s session
and they`ve been down as much as 2 percent after hours. The company`s
earnings missed estimates hit by stiff legal cost and lower trading

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. We have new developments tonight on
the Charlie Hebdo massacre. The Yemen branch of al-Qaeda took
responsibility for the attacks. And the new issue of Charlie Hebdo is
flying off the shelves. A leader from AQAP says the terrorist organization
chose the target, laid the plan and financed the operation as an act of

ISIS released a propaganda video praising the Paris attacks and encouraging
more. Charlie Hebdo printed 3 million copies instead of the usual 60,000
and the magazine, will print 2 million more copies to meet demand. For
more let`s bring in NBC News Correspondent Ron Allen in Paris tonight.

Ron, the reaction, somewhat overwhelming to this measure of freedom of
speech. How are the people responding this evening?

RON ALLEN, NBC CORRESPONDENT: Well, it was an amazing day for this
phenomenon that Charlie Hebdo has become. This small niche magazine that
sold 30,000 copies a week, now suddenly, you can`t get one and they`re
going to publish about 5 million, perhaps more. They`re also raking in a
lot of money. There are a lot of donations coming in from around the world
which are going to give this magazine new life.

It was on the verge of bankruptcy reportedly, before all of this and now,
of course it`s the most popular new magazine in the world, perhaps 16
pages. A lot of satire, a lot of humor, some of it is very highbrows, some
of it is very vulgar. A lot of it is aimed at Jihadist and terrorist and
mocking them and insulting them. And a lot of it is about the honoring the
memory of staffers, the cartoonists, the others who were lost at the

And also, stating its mission and reaffirming its mission to creating a
secular society to speaking of the truth to freedom of speech and not
backing down essentially.

A lot of people who said they were buying the magazine were doing it to
support those values as well. I don`t know how much the content of the
magazine, of course it`s a curiosity factor but I`m not sure that people
are so drawn to the content as they are to the idea...


ALLEN: ... as I said the phenomenon of what this magazine has become.


ALLEN: Also today, the investigation continues -- I was just going to say,
the investigations continues a lot of bits and pieces but nothing really
terribly firm and dynamic that moves this whole along.

SCHULTZ: OK. Are French officials worried about a violent backlash from
this new issue?

ALLEN: I think they`re worried about a violent backlash everyday from this
issue or from many thing else. There`s a lot of tension here. This is a
confrontation that`s going to go on for some time. Today, the French
president speak into the military and his annual address said that the
French are going to send an aircraft carrier to the gulf to increase their
participation and the coalition with United States that`s launching air
raids against ISIS.

So that`s what we`ve seen by some in that part of the world as a
provocative step here and part of the reason why there`s more tension
between France and that part of the world. Yesterday in France, the
parliament voted unanimously, almost unanimously to continue its operations
there as part of that coalition. So, the government is doing things that
will be seen by the opponents of this as provocative.

You also have this cultural clashes happening, the magazine -- and
interestingly today, we also learned that there were as many as 54 people
who have been arrested on various anti-terrorism or hate speech charges
since this whole controversy started with the magazine since these terror
attacks happened. These are people who have been arrested for saying
vulgar things to police authorities when they`ve been arrested and
supported the gunman.

They have been people accused of doing things in cyberspace as well or
making telephone threats. So it`s a clash of this culture, this demand for
freedom of speech but there are limits for some.

SCHULTZ: All right...


SCHULTZ: ... Ron Allen reporting from Paris, France tonight. NBC News
Correspondent. Thank you Ron, I Appreciate it.

Back at home here, the Obama Administration refuses to blame Islam for the


CHUCK TODD, NBC NEWS POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Would you say the United States
is at war with radical Islam?

that we are at war with terrorist who commit these heinous acts.

inconsistent with Islam.

HOLDER: They use a corrupted version of Islam to justify their actions.

EARNEST: We have not chosen to use that label because it doesn`t seem to
accurately describe that it happened.


SCHULTZ: And queue the right-wing outrage.


philosophy is that America is partially responsible for Islamic terrorism.
President Obama is a man of liberal thought and obviously tentative about
confronting the Jihad. But here`s something very interning, while the left
continues to soft pedal Islamic terrorism, they`re appalled by Christian
fundamentalism. The Obama Administration makes yet another mistake, does
not stand with the world to declare war on the Islamic Jihad.


SCHULTZ: The terrorist who open fired on a magazine at a grocery store
aren`t following Islam, they`re following a separate in is horrific
political agenda. Conservatives don`t want the facts they just want to
attack the President of the United States.

I`m joined tonight by Dean Obeidallah who is with The Daily Beast columnist
there. Dean, good to having you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: Is the United States handling this properly? There`s been a
consistent message, Sunday to Tuesday and of course today.

OBEIDALLAH: I think absolutely, it`s very responsible. You know the idea
that Bill O`Reilly is upset with the fact that they`re not going to use
Islamic terrorism doesn`t mean anything to me. It`s red meat to the base,
the secular right. And I want that Peter King`s hearings years ago on
radicalization of Islam on Capitol Hill. And Democrats were saying, let`s
look at every threat. And some of the Republicans also said there are a
thousand anti-government groups out there at that time.

Republicans want to look at one thing, Islam. It`s an easy target to be
honest with you for 1 percent of their country. There`s not much push back
when you attack Muslims. And there are some really bad Muslims out there
that make it easy.

SCHULTZ: So what`s at the heart of their motivation to attack Islam?

OBEIDALLAH: I think it`s a political benefit for them. It`s part of their
agenda. You see anti-Sharia law legislation passed in various states.
Even in states -- the proponents say there`s no Muslim trying to impose
Sharia law but you just never know. So we`re going to do this and of
course (ph) foreign law.

Their idea is to demonize Muslims to make us marginalize, say were an other
(ph) who can`t be trusted. We`re not allowed (ph) to this country. It`s a
fight we have now and we`re not going to end that fight.

SCHULTZ: So how important are the words that the Obama administration is
using and how important is it for them to have a consistent message in the
way they have been handling this? They seem to be very careful in how they
are positioning themselves on this.

OBEIDALLAH: I think it`s unbelievably responsible. It`s what you should
be doing. By saying radical Islam, you`re inferring that Islam is part of
why they`re doing this. It`s giving legitimacy to terrorists, which helps
them ultimately I think recruit and raise funds. It might get some
personalities (ph) alienated as well, this is a strength of Islam so I`m
just joining. No, it`s terrorism.

They`re not a strength of the Islam. They`re fabricating things. And then
saying, we`re doing this for our faith. Does anyone think the guys in al-
Qaeda has it around for three since the initial publication of the cartoons
is that we`re outrage, let`s plan something.

No, they sit around recently said, we have a political agenda. We`re being
eclipsed by ISIS. They`re getting the press, they`re getting the money.
They`re getting recruiters. We have to do something. They picked a soft
target, international attention. It worked out perfectly for them.

SCHULTZ: But the way the conservatives are positioning themselves on this
in trying to get Americans to buy into this, it`s if, if you`re a Muslim
and you`re here in the United States, you`re a plan (ph).

OBEIDALLAH: That`s right...

SCHULTZ: I mean, you know, you`re here but you`re not here to be American

OBEIDALLAH: And I got that on Twitter and I`ve seen that e-mails from
people who are angry at me for any articles I`ll write. They don`t want to
hear the facts. I have an article in The Daily Beast today about -- since
9/11, there`s been 37 Americans killed by Islamic terrorist. There`s been
190,000 murders in that time. There`s been 30 people killed a day by gun

We do not have to summit on that -- three women killed everyday by domestic
violence in this country. We don`t have to summit on that. We`re going to
have a summit -- the President is going to have one that`s going to be
responsible. He`s going to look at terrorism, all forms of it.

But when you use the term Islam and radical it`s like President Bush used
to use 9/11 Saddam Hussein tell...


OBEIDALLAH: ... the war in Iraq, 70 percent of Americans thought Saddam
Hussein was involved.

SCHULTZ: So, Ron Allen just reported that the French military is now going
to get some skin in the game on fighting ISIS. It would seem to me that`s
what the conservatives want.

And so, they need a big deal about American officials not being at the
front of the line at this rally the other day. But the French response has
not been one of criticism. The French response is, you know, what? We`re
going to get in this and we`re going to help you fight ISIS. That`s kind
of falling by the way side hasn`t it?

OBEIDALLAH: It is, it doesn`t fit the narrative that...

SCHULTZ: That`s actually a pretty conservative headline it would seem to

OBEIDALLAH: And it would but instead you have people like Ted Cruz saying,
Obama`s soft on terrorism is actually helping al-Qaeda by not walking in
the streets of France. That`s ridiculous.

You know, it`s a unified fight. It`s unfortunate the fight against
terrorism is political, it shouldn`t be. We should be on guard for all
forms of terrorism.

SCHULTZ: Charlie...

OBEIDALLAH: ... or not.

SCHULTZ: The newspaper today and the response to it, how do you read it?

OBEIDALLAH: I think it was great. I`m an advocate of freedom of
expression. I think it was a great coming together. We`re going to buy
this. It doesn`t matter if you`re offended or not. You`re buying because
you buy into freedom of expression.

SCHULTZ: All right, Dean Obeidallah great to have you with us tonight.

OBEIDALLAH: Thanks for having me.

SCHULTZ: I`m sure you writing a lot about this in The Daily Beast. Thank

Still to come, Scott Walker`s State of the State was red meat for
Republicans. We`ll look at what his policies mean for Wisconsin.


SCHULTZ: All right. Here we go, the two-minute drill.

Lots of big coaching changes in the NFL out there today. Former Jets Coach
Rex Ryan is the new head coach to the Buffalo Bills. The Bills, we`ll they
welcome the big guy with a monster spinach and ricotta pizza.

In a press conference today, Rex guaranteed, guaranteed a playoff spot for
the Bills fans and he had some words for divisional rival, the New England


REX RYAN, BUFFALO BILLS COACH: We`re not afraid of anybody and certainly
not afraid of them. You know, I respect them, I understand. I had
recognize the fact that they`ve won our division the last six years -- I
think maybe 10 out of the last 11 years they`ve won our division but that
doesn`t guarantee they`re going to win it next year.

And it doesn`t mean that we can`t be the team that`s on top of them. I
think there`s a lot of talent that we already have here, and I can`t wait
for that either. You know, that opportunity again to play them, they
certainly know that I`ll look forward to those games.


SCHULTZ: Rex, you`re not Marv Levy. You haven`t evaluated the first
player on the Buffalo Bills and you`re telling those folks out there that
you`re going to get them in the playoffs.

Enjoy the games this weekend. Start from scratch will you dude the
playoffs aren`t until next year.

Over in Denver, John Fox is out as a coach to the Broncos. Denver post
reports to John Elway the G.M. and Fox had their differences so they
decided to split. It`s not clear who`s going to be taking over Fox`s job.

Elway says that he wants to keep Peyton Manning, their quarterback for
another year. Manning of course has not made his decision.

And one more note for Rex, and for everybody. You know, to be a great
coach in the NFL, you got to have a loving wife, a loyal dog, and a great
quarterback not in that order. So Rex, you better go get somebody who can
take a snap and play before he starts talking smack.

In New York the Jets have landed former Arizona Cardinals defensive
coordinator Todd Bowles as a head coach. Bowles is a native of New Jersey.
He had worked with the Jets previously.

And late this afternoon, the Oakland Raiders announced that Jack Del Rio is
the new head coach of the Raiders. He of course was a coach to the
Jacksonville Jags from 2003 to 2011.

Lots more coming up on the Ed Show.

Stay with us. We`ll be right back.



GOV. SCOTT WALKER, (R) WISCONSIN: Forgive me tonight if I`m a bit hoarse,
but like most of you in the state, we spend a fair amount of time cheering
on Sunday. I had plenty of fun hugging owners in the stands at Lambeau


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.

Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker took a dig at New Jersey Governor Chris
Christie in his State of State Address last night.

Walker took a jab of the potential rival amid growing speculation that
Walker is seriously eyeing a 2016 presidential campaign. Walker`s 24-
minute speech played it safe, it was light on details and heavy on
Republican buzzwords.

There`s no word on how Republicans will address the $2.2 billion budget
deficit in the state, however Walker did talk about school choice, lower
taxes, smaller government. In fact, Walker called for consolidation of a
number of state agencies.


WALKER: We will consolidate several of our state agencies. While the
mergers will provide savings in the state budget, the real objective is to
improve services while being better stewards of the taxpayers` money.

In our legislative package we`ll include several other consolidations
within existing agencies as well as further regulatory reforms. We want
common sense solutions not bureaucratic red tape.


SCHULTZ: Yeah, that`s called doing more with less.

Red meat Republicans no doubt about it, that`s what they`ve got from
Walker. Walker can talk all he wants but his actions prove his focus is
not on Wisconsin. On Tuesday morning Walker`s office canceled all events
surrounding his State of the State tour. However Walker did manage to keep
his date at the Republican National Committees winter meeting on Thursday
night in San Diego.

While the media is focused on Mitt Romney or Jeb Bush, Scott Walker is
quietly laying the tracks for his own campaign.

Joining me tonight Ruth Conniff, editor-in-chief of The Progressive
magazine. Ruth, great to have you with us tonight. Walker is still going
to with a very radical agenda and he`s attacking education in a big, big
way, unpack it for us.

RUTH CONNIFF, THE PROGRESSIVE MAGAZINE: Yeah, that`s right Ed, and today
there were some very dramatic hearings all day long on this new bill. The
very first thing our Republican legislature is doing. The first thing out
of the block is try to privatize our school system here in Wisconsin. And
it is really unpopular with the people of Wisconsin.

They held education committee hearings today. We had a fantastic reporter
who is there all day long following it moment by moment. And one of the
first things that they did is say that they`re not going to have any more
public hearings but they`re going to completely change up the bill and
introduce the new version on Friday. So at the same time the school choice
lobbyist who will give more money to Republicans than any other entity in
the state, they`re right up there with the coalition of all business

At the same time those lobbyist are sitting in the hearing accepting thanks
for their work on creating this bill. The bill was created without any
input from the public. It`s going to be changed basically behind the
public`s back and without any consultation with teachers. And it`s a bill
that usurps power from local school boards, group of appointees in a board
are going to now oversee our school system although they say they may
change that in future versions that we don`t have a chance to see.

It punishes schools that serve kids who are not getting good grades...


CONNIFF: ... which tend to be schools that are serving the poor. And it
turns them over to private entities. So somebody could maybe make a profit
out of those schools if they are not doing well.

SCHULTZ: So it sounds like Walker is going to continue to be very radical.
But he`s got Wisconsin in the rearview mirror. I mean he is thinking 2016.


SCHULTZ: And said that the Wisconsin -- he says the Wisconsin come back is
working. He said --but the bottom line here is that recent estimates
project that an $824 million gap in the 2015 to 2017 budget. How is he
going to get around that? That`s red meat against him in any debate.

CONNIFF: That`s absolutely right and, you know, he -- as you pointed out
had very little substance in his States of the State. 24-minute speech,
two policy proposals, the consolidation of state agencies and a lawsuit
against the EPA for the new carbon emission rule. That was it on policy
aside from endorsing the privatization of our schools.

He touted lower taxes, lower property taxes. Well, falling housing prices
are partly what has to do with that. And his huge budget cuts particularly
to schools, cut the services are hurting people so much in this state. So,
you know, the picture for Wisconsin doesn`t look great. But hey Walker
said freedom seven times in his last eight sentences in this speech.

He talked about terrorism and freedom of speech which is ironic if you live
in Wisconsin. So, you know, they`ve arrested 300 plus protesters in the
capital here. So, if you`re for free speech, you know, he`s talking to
people about terrorism in France, he`s not talking about what`s happening
for people in Wisconsin.

SCHULTZ: So he`s third in the polls in Iowa right now. And he has spent
actually quite of time in Iowa. He`s been there a number of different
times. But he`s in not that bad a shape, is he? I mean you`ve got, you
know, Romney and then Jeb and then Walker. That`s how it plays out in Iowa
right now. Could he get it? Could he get things rolling?

CONNIFF: I think it`s possible, you know, I mean it`s a funny process for
Republicans. You have to get through the primaries. And so he can appeal
to the base. He`s very right-wing. And he, you know, presents himself,
you need a skilled politician, it would be foolish to underestimate him.
He presents himself as seemingly reasonable main stream.

He does well politically with that presentation. So maybe he`s got the
right package to get through. And if so, you know, America better watch
out. Take a look at what`s happened to us here in Wisconsin.

SCHULTZ: OK. So he`s going to get a number of radical groups behind him.
There`s no question about that. So, to gain and continue that credibility
he`s going to have to continue to present radical agendas in Wisconsin as I
see it. And his proposals to merge state agencies I mean, that`s just
generic talk. I mean you can get any Republican to talk about that.

But this guy actually, the way he`s going after labor he would attack jobs
again, wouldn`t he?

CONNIFF: Well, the real concern is that Wisconsin will become a right to
work state, you know, which means total union busting, moving on from
public employees to all employees. But it`s very telling that what they
are starting with is attacking the public schools because that is really
where the money is. And it`s a -- that is a loser with the public and a
winner with their funder.

SCHULTZ: Ruth Conniff always a pleasure, great to have you with us.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

PoliticsNation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now. Good evening,


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