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All In With Chris Hayes, Monday, January 26th, 2015

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Date: January 26, 2015
Guest: Polly Trottenberg, Paul Douglas, Chris Warren, Daniel McKee, Marty
Walsh, Eric Klinenberg, Chris Pallone



UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everything we know so far makes clear, you can`t
underestimate this storm.


HAYES: First great blizzard of 2015, threatening to break records across
the northeast.


GOV. ANDREW CUOMO (D), NEW YORK: We are expecting a very high rate of
snowfall. You almost can`t plow that much snow that quickly.


HAYES: Eighteen hundred plows, 126,000 tons of salt. And that`s just for
New York. We`ll look at what it takes to keep things running as five states
declare a state of emergency.

Then --


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Let me just first start with bombogenesis.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The meteorological phenomenon called bombogenesis.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s a new meteorological buzz word.


HAYES: What on earth is bombogenesis? We`ll have answers tonight, tonight,


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bombogenesis? What is that?

HAYES: Good evening from the snowbound and eerily quiet streets of New York
City. I am Chris Hayes. Right now we are out and about in New York where
very few others are. It`s a brief pause in what has been a snow filled day
and what is sure to be an intensely snow filled evening. Let me get you up
dated with the latest on this winter storm.

As of now, seven states have declared a state of emergency. That is New
Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New Hampshire
and Pennsylvania. That puts about 60 million people underneath a winter
weather watch as of this moment.

The storm is expected to continue through the night, hitting its peak
starting really around 2:00 a.m. in the morning. We could see as many as
three to four inches of snow an hour, which is quite a bit of accumulation.
We`re going to be looking at 12 to 36 inches of snow all the way in a band
arching from New Jersey up through Maine, including possible records here
in New York City. Also Rhode Island and Boston looking to get hit very

Coastal areas, Cape Cod, Long Island, are expecting near hurricane force
winds and those are going to start in just a little bit as the storm
actually moving off the warmer ocean back west, arching down through New
England. We`re going to see possible whiteout conditions, high winds.

There are fears of mass power outages. There`s a travel ban right now and
this is relatively unprecedented. We haven`t seen something like this in
quite some time, perhaps since Sandy, perhaps since further back. Non-
emergency vehicles, starting at 9:00 p.m. in Connecticut, 11:00 p.m. here
in New York, along with Massachusetts and Rhode Island. New Jersey Transit
is closed. New York mass transit, which essentially never closes because it
is essentially the life blood of the city, it`s what keeps the city
functioning even amidst all kinds of craziness, disaster and catastrophe,
the New York city subway system and all transit will close at 11:00 p.m.
tonight. It closed during Sandy. It`s been that long since it`s closed
before. And that, of course, will bring the biggest city in the country to
an absolute standstill.

Amtrak is suspending all service through New England. Seven thousand
flights have already been cabled. Of course, about a third of all domestic
travel in the U.S., either lands, takes off in or goes through New York air
space. We have essentially a lock down at all the airports. If you are
traveling in and out of New York tonight, you are screwed. And you probably
already knew that before you turned on your television set.

The largest schools -- this is in the city, which is, in the country, of
course, which is near city, public schools will be closed tomorrow. Boston
schools closed through Wednesday. Broadway is closed. No shows will go on
tonight. It`s all shut down. The storm is going to peak by 10:00 a.m. in
New York, by about 7:00 p.m. in Boston. So we`re going to see a lot of snow
and accumulation. Local state officials pleading with the public right now,
you`ve seen them all day sounding very dire warnings up and down the
eastern seaboard, stay inside. Take a listen.


MAYOR BILL DE BLASIO (D), NEW YORK CITY: This will most likely be one of
the largest blizzards in the history of New York City. I`m asking everyone
to understand that and to prepare accordingly. This is not going to be like
other snowstorms. It is going to be, by all indications, worse and people
have to be ready.

GOV. GINA RAIMONDO (D), RHODE ISLAND: We have an extreme severe winter
event coming our way. And my message to the people of Rhode Island is to
get prepared.

GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE (R), NEW JERSEY: Let me say to everyone in New Jersey
that this is going to be a significant storm with snowfall today and into
tomorrow that will create really hazardous conditions, including dangerous
conditions on our roadways.

MAYOR MARTIN WALSH (D), BOSTON: I`m urging people to take these forecasts
very seriously and take every precaution. Check on your neighbors,
especially the elderly and disabled. Clear your sidewalks the best you can,
but be safe.

GOV. CHARLIE BAKER (R), MASSACHUSETTS: Now we`re New Englanders, so this
isn`t new to most of us. However, please be sure to have flashlights that
work, extra food, and your medications packed for a few days.

GOV. DANNEL MALLOY (D), CONNECTICUT: Now, I think it`s important to know,
if you`re out -- if you`re without power, you are going to be without power
for a period of time. All likely -- in all likelihood, several days.

CUOMO: The good news is, the sun will come out again. We just don`t know


HAYES: All right, joining me now, NBC meteorologist Bill Karins.

Bill, where are we in the trajectory of this storm right now?

BILL KARINS, NBC METEOROLOGIST: Well, the stormed has formed. And now that
the storm has formed, we know where it has formed, we can compare it to how
well the placement is to what the computer models were telling us was going
to be. That`s the first hint of who`s going to get what.

And now that we`ve seen the actual placement of the storm, the forecast all
along was the most difficult from the Hudson Valley, from Albany down
through New Jersey, New York City, to Philadelphia. The recent trends, the
short-term trend, so we don`t want to completely just say it`s going to be,
you know, the way it is, but it is the lower the snowfall totals in
Philadelphia to New York City to the Albany area to the Hudson Valley.

This does not mean the storm is not going to be a huge, historic event. Our
computers, even the short range, are still saying two or three feet of snow
for eastern portions of Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and out on Long
Island. But the exact effects and snow amounts, don`t be surprised, and I`m
probably going to lower mine shortly after I get a little more new data in
over the next hour, just to confirm it, but if the totals go a little lower
for New York City.

So we still have the blizzard warnings. The National Weather Service hasn`t
canceled those yet for areas like New York City or coastal Jersey, but
we`ll wait and see with the new update coming in this evening if they do do

And as far as the radar goes, it kind of tells the story. We have really
heavy bands of snow that are now lifting almost to Providence. This is near
white out conditions. This is where we`re seeing the worst of the storm
right now, possibly even some clashes of thunder mixed in here and out on
Cape Cod.

But we have to watch the bands. How far are they going to rotate to the
west? That`s been the question, the million dollar question all along is
how far. This latest band has now made it through the twin forks (ph). It`s
heading for central portions of Long Island. But a lot of the computers are
stalling these bands before they get to New York City out over central Long
Island. That`s why areas of eastern Long Island could pick three feet of
snow up. We may only end up with maybe a foot in New York City. So it`s a
really steep gradient from east to west and that`s what we`re going to be
watching as we go throughout the evening hours.

Now, you can see the New York City area is in a lull. We picked up about
five inches in Central Park earlier. Now we`re waiting to see how far to
the west those bands will get and how long it takes to shift into the New
York City area.

The winds aren`t that bad in Jersey. Out on even Long Island they`re not
that bad. But the winds are really picking up. Again, all along we`re
saying the worst of this storm, the best chances for it being historic, for
power outages, for people being trapped in their homes for days, is Cape
Cod, eastern Massachusetts to the Wooster area, Providence then Newport and
into areas of central and eastern Connecticut and that`s where the winds
are the strongest, already gusting nearly to 40 miles per hour.

So, this is a forecast map I`ve been showing since this morning. I still
feel very confident in that blue stripe of two to three feet of snow there
from Portland all the way through Boston and the Wooster area, back down to
central Connecticut. If there`s anything that`s going to get chopped off of
this map, it would be to take some of this purple, which is 12 inches plus,
and bring that maybe toward the New York City area and then keep a lot of
Jersey at only three to six. So that`s kind of the only really caveat and
change of the forecast. And, of course, that, Chris, would get a lot of
headlines if New York City doesn`t get the expected -- I was calling for 18
inches, if we end up with 12 instead, that`s going to get the headlines
that New York City didn`t get their big, historic snowfall.

But for areas in eastern Massachusetts, it`s still game on. This net`s (ph)
going to happen. That is set in stone. And so that`s what we`re going to be
watching through this evening. Again, the storm just formed. The new
information from our computers will be coming in. The first bit will be in
about the next hour. Then the next bit will be in about two hour after
that. So then we`ll have a good idea, Chris, about what we`re going to be
dealing with as we go throughout the evening.

HAYES: Bill Karins, thanks so much.

We`re going to go to Rehema Ellis right now. She`s NBC news correspondent.
She`s driving around Massachusetts.

And Bill was just talking about Massachusetts bearing the worst brunt of
this. What`s it look like up where you are, Rehema?

REHEMA ELLIS, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: We are north of one of the areas,
Chris where he was talking about that it`s starting to look really bad. He
was saying in Wooster. We are north of Wooster heading towards the Boston
area. And I don`t know if you can switch to our camera that has -- is
mounted on our windshield. You see in front of us what a lot of people are
going to want to see as the hours pass here. And that is a salting truck.
It is out spreading salt and sand, trying to prepare these roads so that
they will be less hazardous than they could be without this.

We seem to be in a little built of a lull right here in terms of the
precipitation. It seems to come in starts and stops. Right now it seems to
have calmed down a little bit. It`s cold. And the other thing that I`ve
noticed in just the last hour is that, once again, the traffic really is
starting to diminish. People came out from their workplaces and made their
way home -- made their ways home. It seems like there are just a few
vehicles out here now. We`re seeing more and more the vehicles are
emergency vehicles and that`s what they want to have on this road as
opposed to private cars.

You were talking about earlier that Massachusetts is one of those states
where a travel ban is going into effect around midnight. And only the
essential vehicles will be allowed out on this road, Chris.

HAYES: All right, thank you, Rehema.

And we go now to Anne Thompson, who is NBC chief -- News chief
environmental affairs correspondent. She`s live from the streets of New
York City. A city that is, for all intents and purposes, shut down in an
almost unprecedented fashion. I can only think of a handful of other times
where everything from a road ban to the subways being shut down to schools
closed. What`s the latest, Ann?

Chris, first of all, there are -- New York is facing two problems. It`s not
just the snow, it`s also the winds. They`re predicting that we are going to
see wind gusts anywhere from 50 to 60 miles per hour. And I can tell you,
just a few minutes ago, one came roaring through here. It was so strong it
knocked our camera and the light right on the ground. It just did -- the
camera did a face plant. I mean it -- and luckily it`s OK. So that`s the
good news for us.

But come here. Let me show you just how empty New York City is tonight.
This is 5th Avenue. Chris, have you ever seen it like this before? I cannot
recall -- I mean I think the last time I saw 5th Avenue this empty was the
night of September 11th in 2001. It really is very, very dramatic.

Mayor Bill De Blasio has urged people to go home, to get off the roads. As
of 11:00 tonight, traffic is only open to emergency vehicles across all of
New York City streets. Those are some 6,000 miles worth of streets. The
reason is because they`ve got 2,300 vehicles in this city that have plows
on them. They`re going to put them out. And they want them to work.

11:00 is really sort of the witching hour here because that`s when they
think those bands of the blizzard are going to be most intense overnight
and we could see anywhere from one to two inches, to two to four inches of
snow an hour and there`s just no way that if there are cars on the road,
the plows can get in there and do the work they need to do. So, no private
cars after 11:00. The subway and bus systems are shut down. Bridges and
tunnels are closed. And that`s all so everyone in New York City can be safe
through this storm.


HAYES: Anne, thank you.

We go to Dylan Dreyer, who`s driving around in Boston, another city that is
essentially entirely shut down and hunkering down for the worst.

Dylan, what`s the latest?

DYLAN DREYER, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Well, it is pretty much shut down.
There are not a lot of cars on the roads except for the plows and the salt
trucks that are trying to preemptively get ahead of this storm. We`re not
seeing a lot of snow yet. So far in Boston we`ve picked up about 0.4
inches. That`s less than a half an inch of snow, but it really hasn`t
reached this area yet.

But if you look out in front of us, you can see the snow has been blowing
around. It`s a very light, fine snow right now. So it is starting to cover
some of the streets. They`re still fairly wet at this time, but keep in
mind, the temperature is about 28 degrees, so this is going to be a light,
fluffy snow.

I want to show you the radar here and you can see where we do have some of
our heavier snow. It`s right in down here, through Cape Cod, Martha`s
Vineyard, where we`ve already picked up nearly four inches of snow already.
The snow that is coming down across southeastern parts of Massachusetts and
down through Rhode Island, that`s actually falling at rates of about one to
two inches per hour, and that is what is creeping closer and closer to the
Boston area where we are. So it`s been light so far, but the height of the
storm is expected to get going around 10:00 tonight and last through almost
all day on Tuesday.

We might not see these blizzard-like conditions let up until about 5:00,
6:00 Tuesday afternoon. That`s an extended period of time with whiteout
conditions. Everyone is urged to completely stay off of the roads.
Naturally, everything is pretty much shut down Tuesday and into Wednesday
in the Boston area. Again, this is an area that certainly can handle the
snow. The crews are out and ready, but it is going to be a big one. I
worked in Boston for six years and it`s not often that you predict 24 to 36
inches of snow right in the city of Boston itself.


HAYES: Dylan, thanks.

We go now to Ron Allen, who is just east of us out in Long Island.

And, Ron, they`re predicting harsher conditions east of the city as that
front comes in off the ocean. What`s it like out there right now?

RON ALLEN, NBC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: It`s been pretty harsh for the last few
hours or so. And we`ve got a lot of snow on the ground already. The roads
out here are completely covered. There have been plows going by, but they
haven`t been able to keep up with it.

Over here you can see that this is an off ramp for a highway. It`s
completely covered and the traffic has stopped. We`ve only seen a few cars
coming through in the last half hour or so. It`s really, really died down.
And if you look further up there, you can see what`s left of the Long
Island Expressway, which is, for the most part, completely deserted. I did
see a line of snowplows going by a little while ago. And we also saw a line
of utility trucks going by a little while ago heading in that direction.
That direction is east, which is out towards the tip of Long Island, where
the brunt of the storm is going to be even worse than it is right here.

If you can see kind of here in front of me, there`s several inches of snow
that have already fallen on these bushes and on the ground around here and
it`s not going anywhere. The wind is also starting to kick up. The
predictions were for 40 to 50 miles per hour gusts, but I think now they`ve
upped that a bit. And we`ve seen the wind -- over in this direction you can
see it kind of swirling maybe. It gusts, it comes, it goes, and all that.

Over at that gas station now is pretty deserted. But we can see the wind
kind of circling and pulling the snow up and blowing it around. It`s also
about 25 degrees or so now. At least that`s what the temperature is. But it
feels colder because of the wind. And we`ve been just trying to keep
ourselves in the certain direction so we`re not hit in the face by it.

But it`s getting pretty harsh. It`s going to get worse. The good news is
that people are staying off of the roads, heeding the warning that it`s
very, very dangerous. We have seen some snowplows, some emergency vehicles
go by earlier, but it`s down, just like you see here, just one or two
motorists out trying to get some last -- a last fill up or something, but
heading home. So, again, this is just the beginning of it. We`re not even
at -- really at the beginning of the worst of it. It`s going to happen
overnight. But people are hunkering down and it just keeps getting worse by
the hour.

Back to you.

HAYES: Ron Allen, thanks so much. You can see that Ron is getting that
first wave of snow that`s coming in from the east.

I want to go now to Polly Trottenberg on the phone. That`s the -- Polly`s
the NYC commissioner for the department of -- commissioner of the
department of transportation.

How does, commissioner, how did you make the decision to close the roads at
11:00 tonight? What goes into making that decision? What`s the tipping
point for that?

as you can imagine, Chris, that`s not a decision that the city made
lightly. I mean, obviously, our number one goal is public safety. And as we
considered -- you know, you`ve been talking about what some of the biggest
hazards can be in a storm like this. One of the biggest is when you have
too many vehicles on the road, they start to get stuck, they start to get
involved in crashes and then our plows can`t get through and even more
importantly our emergency, fire, and police and rescue vehicles can`t get
through. So in looking at the potential magnitude of the storm, the mayor
made the decision, if we can get non-essential vehicles off the roadways,
we`ll have a much better chance of having a safe outcome.

HAYES: What is the strategy for emergency vehicles tonight? I know some
people -- I mean, obviously, there are women around New York City in the
five boroughs who are expecting, or past their due date, who are probably
very nervous. Obviously there`s an elderly population. There are folks who
are sick. Might have little kids with illnesses. How does getting emergency
vehicles around in this weather work?

TROTTENBERG: Well, the good news is, the city has really -- having learned
some lessons from previous storms, bulked up. We are actually going to have
40 percent more ambulances operational during this storm. We`ve now got a
better mix of vehicles. Some that can ride higher and have tire chains. And
in addition, vehicles by private agencies or any other types of
organizations or any vehicle that needs suddenly to transport someone in a
medical emergency -- if suddenly your spouse is about to give birth, you
could throw them in a car, and if a police officer stops you, you could
explain the situation and get them to an ambulance. So we`re hoping this
will actually -- will make it actually quicker and easier for anyone who is
experiencing some kind of a medical emergency.

HAYES: Earlier today I think I saw a representative from the MTA, that`s
the quazi (ph) independent body that runs service and rapid transit here in
the metro area, say they thought it would be possible for trains to
operate. Maybe they would cut back service. The governor, of course,
announcing that all train service is going to stop at 11:00. That`s a very,
very rare, somewhat extreme step. Do you think that`s the right call? Do
you have any input in to whether that decision is made? Because that really
does essentially entirely shut down New York City.

TROTTENBERG: Well, look, obviously I think the state and the MTA, just as
we did in the city, they didn`t make that decision lightly. I think they
made a judgment. As you`re hearing all along the northeastern seaboard,
that the -- really what all the state and city and local agencies want to
do is encourage people to stay home, not to travel during the period of
this blizzard.

HAYES: All right, New York City commissioner for the department of
transportation, Polly Trottenberg, really appreciate it. Thank you very

Much more live coverage of blizzard 2015 from the snowy streets of New York
City after this break.


HAYES: I`m joining now by Paul Douglas. He`s a meteorologist for the Media
Logic Group.

Paul, can you explain the conditions that produce a storm like this? What
has to be at play to come together to dump this much frozen precipitation
on the northeast?

right, Chris, it requires a special convergence, a special recipe of
meteorological ingredients. In this case we had a gently used Alberta
Clipper which provided the initial jolt of energy. That spun up a secondary
storm off of North Carolina coast. One of these classic nor`easter. A
coastal storm. And it`s tapping moisture and energy from the Atlantic
Ocean. And I just checked Gulf Stream waters, Chris, just east of New
Jersey, 12, 13 degrees warmer than average for late January.

So you`ve got this warm stew lurking just offshore and you`ve got very cold
air pushing in from New England. The sharper the gradient and temperature,
the faster the winds have to blow. Basic physics. And you can wind up with
one of these atmospheric bombs where the storm is strengthening so rapidly
that the air is spiraling into the center and accelerating.

In this case it sounds like hyperbole, but this really is sort of the
winter equivalent of a tropical storm, including the storm surge. Now, this
is nothing like Sandy, obviously, back in 2012, even though it is hooking
to the west, just like Sandy did. But I saw a five foot storm surge
prediction for the battery (ph) and lower Manhattan later on tonight, an
eight foot surge in Boston Harbor. So there will be considerable coastal
flooding in addition to the blowing and drifting and power outages and the
myriad of other problems.

HAYES: And, Paul, just to be clear about one thing here, when you get
winter storms, you get, obviously, people talking about climate change or I
think somewhat disingenuously saying, oh, it`s snowing. One of the things
we`re seeing is that storms draw energy from warmer ocean waters, which is
partly produced by a rising temperature globally, and that even factors in
winter storms as well, isn`t that right?

DOUGLAS: That`s absolutely true, Chris. Fourteen of the 15 warmest years on
record have been since the turn of the century. Last year thought to be the
absolute warmest year. And oceanographers and climate scientists confirm 93
percent of that excess heat is going into the world`s oceans. And that can
make for stronger typhoons. It can also turbo charge storms like the kind
of storm we`re looking at tonight.

And I don`t know, not to minimize the hardship this storm is going to do,
but I find it somewhat humbling and amazing on some level that in spite of
all of our technology, all of our inventions, none of it means squat on a
night like tonight. On a night like tonight, we`re reminded that mother
nature bats last, and there are times when you just have to hunker down.
There`s not a darn thing you can do. Just error on the side of caution. And
that`s what officials are doing all up and down the eastern seaboard and I
applause them. We have to error on the side of caution.

HAYES: Paul Douglas, thank you so much. We really appreciate it.

We`ll be back with much more after the break.



DE BLASIO: I`m going to keep saying to everyone, take caution -- take
precautions. Be careful. A lot ahead of us. This is literally the calm
before the storm. And it`s about to start in earnest. And when it does,
it`s going to come in very fast, very hard, and people have to be very,
very careful.


HAYES: Bill de Blasio addressing the city just a short while ago in the, as
he put it, calm before the storm. The snow petering out a little bit before
the west of the bands and thee blizzard start to work their way back west
across Long Island, across the northeast, in towards New York City.

I want to go to Chris Warren, a meteorologist with The Weather Channel in
Providence, Rhode Island, which, Providence, right now, looking like it`s
going to bear the brunt of it if I`m not mistaken, Chris?

a lot of snow here. From here all the way up to Boston you`re looking at
possibly two feet of snow. And some of these bands that you`ve been talking
about, and that we`ve been talking about, if they set up, cannot rule out
three feet of snow in some cases. What we have been seeing is this snow
come down harder and faster over the past couple of hours. And every once
in a while, that wind is whipping up. And we`re seeing more and more snow
building up on some of the side streets right here as cars are going by.
It`s a AAA vehicle right here. We`ve seen a lot of tow trucks, a lot of
plows out there.

Right down here, that`s Interstate 95, keeping an eye on it, and traffic`s
moving along pretty good right now but that is expected to change tonight.
And here in Providence, in fact across all of Rhode Island, you cannot be
on the road after midnight. The travel ban goes into effect.

And this wind coming down -- I want to show you something else that we`re
going to have to watch for a while. I don`t think we`ve had an inch here
yet, but it -- but what we are seeing is, look at this corner. When the
wind comes and blows, and we`re seeing more of that with some of the gusts,
it picks up the snow and pushes it like here, into this corner, and that`s
a snow drift. See how it`s kind of piling up there in the corner. And
that`s what we`re going to be dealing with.

Now the corner of the street, you`re also starting to see more and more
snow and you can see some little areas where the plows have come through.
Plows have been through here a few times and then you get down to a baron,
wet situation for a while and then the snow coming down so fast that is
starts to cover it again. So even though a plow might come through, when
you look out your window two hours later or maybe three hours later, it
might look like they weren`t there at all. That`s how fast it`s going to
come down tonight.

HAYES: Chris, thank you so much. We have the lieutenant governor of Rhode
Island, Daniel McKee, on the phone right now.

Lieutenant governor, what are your biggest concerns? I know there`s a
travel ban after midnight in your state. Where are your areas of highest
concern and focus in terms of emergency preparedness right now?

LT. GOV. DANIEL MCKEE, RHODE ISLAND (via telephone): Well, we`re asking
everybody to prepare for potentially a couple days without electricity. We
don`t know where it may hit. But the loss of electricity is a major concern
and the cold weather and so we`re asking the residences of the state to,
you know, be prepared for that. And as you said, you know, we recommended -
- the governor has declared a state of emergency in Rhode Island, telling
people that they get off the roads by 8:00 and the mandatory off the roads
by midnight. So I think that the a situation is well in the --

HAYES: Do you have the infrastructure...

MCKEE: ...the local communities, which the governor has asked me to
facilitate with the cities and towns. We really need to get through the
car bans in effect, and people need to abide by those parking bans because
we have got to get emergency vehicles through, through all the streets in
the state of Rhodes Island. And we need to accomodate the local
communities to allow that to happen.

So, those are two major concerns: the loss of electricity and making sure
that people are off of the roads, but also get their vehicles off of the
roads so the emergency can get through as well as the snowplowing that is
going to happen to free up the roads over the next couple days.

HAYES: Do you have the infrastructure in place to be able to deal with
power pour outages and getting folks who may be isolated in terms of
transportation, who may need food, or heat, or emergency medical services.

I mean, we saw after Sandy that it was both the fuel and the electricity --
the fuel shortages and electricity outages that really took the toll. Are
you prepared for that if that`s what it comes to?

MCKEE: Well, I was -- before become lieutenant governor, Chris, I was a
mayor for 12 years in the community and I think that we learned through the
Sandy and through some of the hurricanes that are going on, our emergency
manager and director Peter Gannon has coordinated with the National Grid,
which is our energy provider.

And we believe that we`re going to have the personnel and human capital on
the ground to address these potential outages. But we also want to caution
the residents that it could take several days if, in fact, they are in a
place where they have been hit the hardest.

So, I think we do have the infrastructure in place, I think the governor
has done a very good job just been in office now, both of us, for less than
three weeks, and yet we have had simulations preparing for this and there
has been good staff in place so we`re expecting to be able to coordinate
this very successfully.

HAYES: Lieutenant Governor Daniel McKee of Rhode Island, thank you, and
good luck tonight.

I want to bring in now Eric Klinenberg, he`s a sociology professor at NYU
who studies disaster preparedness, wrote an incredible book about the heat
wave of Chicago in 1995 that killed hundreds and hundreds of people.

Eric, you have been studying this for over a decade, who is most vulnerable
under these disaster conditions and what mistakes do governments tend to
make that hopefully we can learn from?

ERIC KLINENBERG, NYU: So, we know who is vulnerable. We know about
vulnerable people
and vulnerable places. Clearly, we need to be out looking out for older
people, people who are living alone, people who don`t have the same kind of
social networks that so many people take for granted.

It is especially dangerous for them if the power goes out, if they lose
their heat, if they get stuck in doors. And a problem we sometimes see
from government leaders of moments like this is that they overconfident.
They think they have got the problem solved. And if we find ourselves in a
situation where there are massive power outages and infrastructure
failures, it might be the case that the needs may overwhelm our capacity.

HAYES: It`s funny you say that, because I think what ends up happening
around these storms is you get people saying this is hype, they`re making
too much of this, whether it`s the coverage, whether it`s public officials.
It sounds like from what I`m hearing from you is the bigger danger, of
course, is underselling the threat both in terms of preparedness and for
what actions people take because if you do that, that`s where you really
end up with real disaster like what happened in the heatwave back in
Chicago in `95.

KLINENBERG: I think that`s right.

And, look, the facts are we live in a country right now where we have very
vulnerable people, we have very vulnerable neighborhoods and we have
extremely vulnerable infrastructure.

The combination of those things can prove fatal, lethal during times like
this. And it is true that often we will do a lot of preparation and find
that the big storm doesn`t hit.

You`ll remember that Hurricane Irene was going to be the one that hit New
York City, the city braced for it and it wasn`t as devastating. Everyone
said, look, we don`t have to worry about these things. Well, about a year
later Sandy came, completely overwhelming our capacity.

So, it might not be this one, it might not be Juno in New York City, but it
might be Juno in Boston. And I think the problem with global warming, or
one of many, is that we can expect to see more extreme weather systems like
this. We have no choice but to learn how to deal with this kind of stress
on our vital systems.

HAYES: Have we gotten better at this? I mean, obviously one of the
moments of the last decade was the -- was Hurricane Katrina in the Gulf and
what that meant and the spectacle of misery, the hundreds, near 1,000 lives
lost. Have we gotten better? Have we learned a lesson? Have we
implemented stuff? Are we doing things now, are you seeing things happen
tonight across the eastern seaboard you wouldn`t maybe have seen 10 or 20
years ago?

KLINENBERG: I think in some ways we are. I think we`re seeing political
leaders, especially local leaders in moments like this take the extreme
weather seriously. I think the conversation about climate change has
inevitably changed
the way we prepare for these kinds of things because we know we have to.

I think a lot of governments now are aware that we have this the population
of people who are very old, and in some cases very alone and they`re doing
a lot more outreach.

One of the issues we now know is you can`t simply wait for people who are
isolated and vulnerable to come to you and ask for help. You have to do
very aggressive outreach and do everything possible at the neighborhood
level, at the city level to get assistance to get to people who are in

In Chicago, they waited and hundreds of people died alone. I think we`re
seeing some improvement, but at the same time, Chris, the problem is the
challenges are getting greater and greater, the risks and vulnerabilities
are higher than they have been in some time.

HAYES: Eric Klinenberg of NYU. Thank you, Eric. Really appreciate it.

KLINENBERG: Thanks very much.

HAYES: You`ve probably been hearing the word bombogenesis today. It`s
probably -- well, I`m going to guess the first day you`ve heard
bombogenesis, certainly the first day for me. I will explain what
bombogenesis is ahead.


HAYES: One of the very few good things about this kind of devastating
weather event is we get to learn new terms. After all, it helps to know
the science behind a polar vortex, a doracho (ph) or a sharknado when
they`re baring down on you.

Today`s term: bombogenesis.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, this storm is expected to bomb out off shore.
And that is a short word for the meteorological phenomenon called




UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What is bombogenesis?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: it is a catchy meteorological term I`d say with my
weather buddies.


HAYES: Well, first off it seems to have an invisible touch. A low
pressure system reaches in and grabs right hold of another system.

Usually this happens out over the ocean, but the Juno storm we see today is
in too deep. Two systems meet. There`s a central drop of at least 24
millibars in 24 hours. You`ve got bombogenesis.

Normally one system could leave, but it won`t go.

And now the eastern seaboard can`t feel a thing from their head down to
their toes. That`s bombogenesis. You want it? You`ve got it. Now you

So, go out and put on your snowsususudio (ph), because this is the state of
emergency we live in. And this is the snow we`re giving.




CHRISTIE: ...the state of emergency...





UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ...that we are given.



GOV. CHRIS CHRISTIE, (R) NEW JERSEY: ...the state of emergency...





UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That we are given.



CHRISTIE: ...the state of emergency...





UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That we are given.


HAYES: We`re back.

AS the winter storm in the eastern seaboard northeast begins to work its
way from the Atlantic Ocean west across New England, high winds hitting
Cape Cod at this moment. We`re starting to see wind -- that first band of
wind and snow hitting Long Island. We`re expecting very, very, very heavy
accumulations in Providence and Boston.

And for the latest on the direction this storm has taken, we go to Bill
Karins, NBC meteorologist -- Bill.

KARINS: That was just crunching is the only way I can put it.

Looking at all the different weather data that`s now coming in and the
storm itself and trying to adjust my numbers and try to get people the best
information we have as soon as I do get it in.

So, let me take you through how this works with the forecasting. This is
our computer models from the morning run, the evening run is now going to
be coming in. We`ll be getting that data as we go throughout the next
couple of hours.

But this is one of our American models here. It`s based off what we call
the American dam model (ph). And this is not my forecast. This is just
what the computer was saying. This is what us meteorologists are looking
at as we try to make our forecast.

This was one version, which showed that huge band anywhere from the
Manchester to Ne Haven area. And notice the 14 inches around New York
City, 15 around Boston.

So that was that model.

One of the more dependable models that we have is what we call the European
model. They tend to me more accurate than any of our American models. And
that`s what we`re trying to hopeful spend our money on in our government
and have a program in the next 10 years to beat this model.

This was the one that was really forecasting block buster storm for New
York. It backed off a little bit this morning. But you still notice the
16 inches in New York. And that still two foot ban
somewhere outside of Boston or near Boston.

Well, in the last about four hours, our computers have shifted a little
bit, not of those I just showed you. Those don`t update until about
midnight tonight, unfortunately for some of them.

But it does look like our westside of this storm, the western edge, we`ve
knocked down the totals a little bit.

I haven`t gone dramatically, as some of our -- I mean, one of our computers
is now saying taht New York City could get like two or three more inches of
snow. I mean, that would be a complete change in the forecast.

I`ve dropped New York City down 12 to 14 inches. I had you at 18 -- or I
had you at 16 to 20 inches. So I have taken you down about four of five

New York City has already picked up five inches. So that may only be as
much as five to nine additional inches of snow in New York City, which is
very doable for the plows, the city and everything else. And it may not be
the paralyzing blizzard that was once advertised for New York City,
although we did say all along if this forecast was going to bust it was
going to bust in the Hudson Valley, Philadelphia and New York.

Now what hasn`t changed, and I don`t want to take anything away from the
lifethreatening weather that`s still is going to exist tonight and right
through tomorrow for areas of eastern New England.

That heavy snow band is there. This storm is just as strong as advertised.
That heavy snow band is just now no longer projected to kick all the back
into the New York City area, or near enough to it to really affect that

It`s still going to sit here over the Providence area from Boston, to Cape
Cod, possibly through the Worcester area, almost to Springfield and then
down almost to the New Haven area.

So, there`s a snowfall adjustment totals that I have for the big cities. I
didn`t touch you in Providence or Boston. I still think you have a good
chance at two feet. Someone still has a chance of getting three feet into
eastern New England. I still think we`re going to get the power outages.
And we`re still going to have a lot of people stuck in their homes, Chris,
that hasn`t changed. The only thing that I am changing is that western
edge of the storm does look to be less dramatic now. And, you know, we`ll
probably take a ton of heat for the New York City forecast when this is all
said and done. But as far as I`m concerned, we still have a lot of life
threatening weather to deal with in eastern New England.

HAYES: Bill Karins, NBC meteorologist. Thank you.

Major de Blasio, perhaps, thanking his lucky stars if that turns out to be
the case. Obviously he is under tremendous scrutiny tonight as are all
municipal and local officials.

Much more after the break.


HAYES: All right, we`re tracking the latest in the storm across the
northeast. Of course, a lot of news happening elsewhere in the country and
around the world. Probably going to want to go to the internet to check
that out. We`ll be back with more storm updates after the break.


HAYES: Joining me now Chris Pallone from the Weather Channel in Boston.
Chris, what`s the latest?

CHRIS PALLONE, WEATHER CHANNEL, BOSTON: Hey Chris, you know all afternoon
it was cloudy and just a little bit of flurries falling, but about 7:00
tonight right as meteorologists had predicted, this storm started to
intensify here on Boston Common. Now we`re seeing very fine powdery dry
snow falling. It is pretty -- it`s coming down at a pretty good clip. I
don`t know how much is showing up on television. But it has been falling
for the past couple hours now. And we`re starting to see some powdery
accumulation here on Boston Common, maybe only a half inch to three-
quarters of an inch at this point.

But as this forecast says, this isn`t supposed to get really intense until
after midnight and closer to the predawn hours. We`re told that it could
fall at two or four inches an hour as we head towards morning.

That also coincides with high tide here in the area. So for people who live
in coastal areas of Massachusetts from Plum Island up on the north shore
down to Situed (ph) and the Cape and islands down in the south, it could
pose some real problems for people who live along the shoreline.

We`re also noticing over the last hour or two that the wind is really
starting to pick up, some high gusts in the last couple of hours.

But overnight these gusts are supposed to turn into sustained winds of
maybe 50 miles an hour, closer to 70 miles an hour on the Cape and the
islands. That`s near hurricane force.

So, the concern here, of course, is snow. If we get two or three feet of
snow, that`s obviously going to be tough to dig out from and people are
hunkered down and trying to figure out what`s going to happen with that.

But with these high winds they`re also expecting some widespread power
outages, which just adds a whole different level of discomfort to this
entire situation.

As you might imagine, though, there are s not many people out on the
streets right now. There is a parking ban in Boston at midnight in the
state of Massachusetts, a travel ban goes into effect.

We just see some plows occasionally and some city buses that are empty as
they go by.

But pretty quiet night here in Boston as this storm gets wrapped up to full
intensity -- Chris.

HAYES: All right, thank you.

We`re going now to the mayor of Boston, Marty Walsh.

Mayor Walsh, obviously Boston, New England not unaccustomed to big
snowstorms. Where does this rank in terms of Boston in the last several
years, certainly your tenure in terms of severity and potential

MARTY WALSH, MAYOR OF BOSTON: Well, certainly in my tenure -- I have been
there 13 months now, it will be the biggest storm that I have faced here in
the last few years, potentially it could be the biggest storm we`ve had in
the last 10 years in the city, depending on on what the reports are saying.
And everything you`re saying to us is we will get clobbered here.

So, we`re expecting a pretty big storm here in the city.

HAYES: What plans do you have right now in terms of exigencies if power
goes out. I know you guys have a -- you have got a transportation shut
down on the
roads. If you find yourself with a power situation, what is the planning
to deal with folks that might have the power cut out?

WALSH: Well, we have the utility companies -- when we sit down a have a
meeting -- a team wide meeting about this, the utility companies are
sitting at the table with us. So, we`re working with them very closely to
be prepared to try and get power up as soon as possible.

We`re trying to get ahead of that. We have our parks and recreation
department has bucket trucks.

But again it`s hard to -- you can`t fight mother nature. And you kind of
have got to let it take its course and see what we can do. But I`m hoping
that if we do have a loss of power it`s for a very short period of time.

I am expecting in certain parts of the city that we will lose power,
however, and we`re going to have to get our crews on as soon as we can.

This storm seems like it`s going to be one of those storms that`s going to
linger on throughout tomorrow. So that`s going to make it very difficult
to get the power up as quick as we can.

HAYES: And finally, what is the situation with the T, and what are you
anticipating for rapid and public transit?

WALSH: Well, public transportation right now is for all intents and
purposes stopped in the city. And the governor declared a state of
emergency earlier today. And I -- you know, I`m pretty confident that
we`re not going to have much T service tomorrow with the amount of snow
we`re getting.

So, we`re asking people to try and -- you know, only have essential
personnel on the roads if at all possible. And we`re trying to make
arrangements with the hospitals so we can get the nurses and doctors to and
from the hospitals, because it`s important for us to keep it open.

We`re really focusing on the main thoroughfares with the snow plows so we
have the ability to get emergency vehicles through the main streets.

HAYES: Boston mayor Marty Walsh, thanks so much.

We`ll be back after the break.



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