The Ed Show
Date: March 5, 2015
Guest: T-Dubb-O, Brenda Lawrence, John Hoeven, Jane Kleeb, Anthony Roman,
David Brock, Bob Shrum
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ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Tonight, a frightening scene on the Tarmac.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re skidding there and just holding on their feet
hoping everything is OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Because I was sitting right into the window and I saw
it was quickly approaching the water.
T-DUBB-O, ST. LOUIS, MO ACTIVIST: Put their 40 caliber to my head.
SCHULTZ: What`s it like to be black and live in Ferguson?
ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: The police officer drew his service
weapon, pointed it at the man`s head.
This even appears to have been anything but an isolated incident.
SCHULTZ: And later life is a highway.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We all just don`t just clenching (ph) winter off.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE OF THE REPRESENTATIVES SPEAKER: Funding a
highway bill is critically important.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We`re rounding the advice and asking disaster has any
BERNARD MCCOY, DRIVER: I make sure that Larry we`re going back across the
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight. Folks, there`s a lot to get
to. We start tonight with news out of Ferguson, Missouri. Brown family
attorneys held a press conference today after the Justice Department`s
decision not to charge Officer Darren Wilson in the death of Michael Brown.
Attorneys announce that they`re filing a civil suit against the City of
Ferguson and Officer Darren Wilson. They disagree with the findings of the
Department of Justice. The report provides disturbing details about racial
profiling from the Ferguson Police Department.
Back in November, we had a guess on this program who talked about his
personal experience with the St. Louis City Police. It is eerily similar
to the DOJ`s findings about Ferguson.
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HOLDER: This investigation found a community, were a deep distrust and
hostility often characterized interactions between police and area
T-DUBB-O: I was driving, pulled off as soon as pulled I off I notice three
trucks following us closely behind. Once I see them hop off the vehicle, I
noticed that it was the police. I put my hands up.
HOLDER: Our investigation showed that members of Ferguson`s police force
frequently escalate, rather than defuse tensions with the residents they
T-DUBB-O: They instantly pulled me out the car and asked me for license or
registration, put their 40 caliber to my head, told me if I move they`ll
blow my head off.
HOLDER: When the man objected, citing his constitutional rights, the
police officer drew his service weapon, pointed it at the man`s head.
T-DUBB-O: Asked them what we were being arrested for, what was we stopped
for, why were they following us. They told me stop asking questions before
people have to have a protest for me.
HOLDER: According to the Police Department`s own records, its officers
frequently infringed on residents` First Amendment rights...
T-DUBB-O: So I decided to comply and stop asking question.
HOLDER: . including arresting people for talking back to officers.
T-DUBB-O: They picked me off of the ground throw me in a back of a car.
No one could never tell me what we were stopped for.
HOLDER: Many of these constitutional violations have become routine.
T-DUBB-O: The officer whose truck I was sitting in. He told me that he
didn`t know why they stopped us.
HOLDER: Ferguson police officers routinely violate the First Amendment,
stopping people without reasonable suspicion.
T-DUBB-O: They had just watching my car for the last couple of weeks. And
for the last five days they`ve had heavy surveillance on us
HOLDER: This, in turn, deepens the widespread distrust provoked by the
department`s other unconstitutional exercises of police power. None of
which is more harmful that its pattern of excessive force.
T-DUBB-O: They were completely out of control and disrespectful.
HOLDER: And they make enforcement decisions based on the way individuals
T-DUBB-O: Asked me what gang I was in, where were the drug and I big
HOLDER: These policing practices disproportionately harm African-American
T-DUBB-O: I wasn`t afraid. It was something that I was used to happening
HOLDER: People feel under assault and under siege by those charged to
serve and protect them.
T-DUBB-O: There`s nothing more they can do to me besides take my life.
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SCHULTZ: The Department of Justice found racial bias was the only
explanation for Ferguson police, disproportionately targeting African-
Americans. We`re going to visit now live in our studio tonight with T-
Dubb-O, a St. Louis area activist who is the man that you just saw in that
Great to have you with us. What were you thinking yesterday and some of
the comments that you heard clearly from the attorney general that
vindicated and paralleled your story? How do you feel about that?
T-DUBB-O: I mean, only issue I have with it is that it took the DOJ to
come in to say this is what`s going on when we lived in this community.
We`re citizen on this community or the city. What we`ve telling the world,
this is what we go through, this is how our life is. And we were
We were accused of lies -- being lairs, we`ve stalked in and threatened on
Twitter saying that does not how America is, you guys are lying. But as
soon as the DOJ makes a report saying that everything at these guys being
saying since August is completely true and now it just like wow, it`s a
SCHULTZ: The story that you told on air back in November of 2014 and the
thing that the attorney general laid out yesterday, it`s not the same
story. That was a different issue.
SCHULTZ: So this is routine and that`s the point of all of these. You
lived through what the attorney general was talking about.
SCHULTZ: So, how do you think the community is going to grasp all of these
and then move forward with confidence? That`s really it that the issue
right now isn`t it?
T-DUBB-O: I mean confidence in what? I mean they just basically told us
what we go through on a daily basis. They just showed us our life, in a
glimpse on a piece of paper. So, confidence is us getting indictment. And
indict George Zimmerman, indict Darren Wilson, indict one of these
(inaudible) the police officers or vigilantes that hurt and take black or
brown life whenever they feel they need to. That`ll give us some
SCHULTZ: OK, moving forward and you take this information now that the
Department of Justice has done this, you`re an activist. What do you with
T-DUBB-O: We continue to do what we`ve been doing, we fight. We study the
report because America is caught up on statistic and numbers. You know our
statistics and numbers you`re expert. You know what`s going on out here.
So we study the report both of them. So whenever they want to argue and
debate we know all the facts that they put out there. And we continue to
do what we`ve doing in this fight for equality.
SCHULTZ: So, T-Dubb-O, how have you`ve been treated since the time you`re
on this program. How you experience anything like what you described that
night over a year ago here and also what the attorney general has
T-DUBB-O: Personally, I haven`t. But I know friends who have.
SCHUTLZ: So things haven`t change?
T-DUBB-O: Not at all.
SCHULTZ: What do they say?
T-DUBB-O: The police are.
SCHULTZ: Well, your friends, what they go through, the exact same thing
that you described?
T-DUBB-O: It`s the same thing. I mean I don`t know what a good cop is and
it just me being completely honest. I`ve never had a positive experience
with police. I`ve never seen a positive experience. My friends go to this
on a daily basis, people on my neighborhood, people in the community that I
come from. I`ve even witness cops picking up guys from a certain
neighborhood and dropping them off the rival neighborhood.
And howl out, "Well we got such and such from this side town for you. Come
get him." Or free case and trying to put guns or a drugs on people.
"Well, if you don`t tell me who`s doing this in the community and the
neighborhood. We`re going to put you -- we`re going to take you down for
this felony violation." And it`s evidence of this stuff out there.
Just last year, a guy was picked up in his neighborhood and he`s all over
YouTube, it`s all over Facebook. The police put him in back of the car and
trying to put a gun on him and plan a gun on him and send them off with
felony conviction of having illegal firearm if he doesn`t give them some of
the information who`s doing what in the community.
SCHULTZ: What do you think the Ferguson Police Department should do?
T-DUBB-O: I think they need to disband first and foremost the chief need
to stepdown and the Ferguson Police Department need to disband. This is a
small municipality. Why is there 91 different municipalities in St. Louis
County? If we have St. Louis County police, St. Louis County Police need
to oversee all those different counties.
That`s why it`s so corrupt because you have so many different governments
where is it can be 300 citizen in this little town and you got a mayor, you
have to pay, you got a police chief and you have a police force of 40 to 50
officers for 300 citizen.
So, they have to find a way to scheme up with money and take care of his
budget. So their going out using traffic stops and parade their policing
to make up 30 to 40 percent of their yearly budgets and their taking from
the people and their not taking it from people that look you, they taking
it from people who like me who already can afford feed themselves.
SCHULTZ: So you think that white folks down there get away a lot of stuff
because there`s a simple target here as far police are concerned?
T-DUBB-O: Of course look at the DOJ statistics. Black people were pulled
over and arrested more. However, white people that were pulled over and
arrested were found with drugs and paraphernalia more. So why are you
SCHULTZ: T-Dubb-O, stay with us now. We got more to talk about here.
Let me bring in Dr. James Peterson, Director of Africana studies at Lehigh
University an MSNBC Contributor, also with us tonight Congresswoman Brenda
Lawrence of Michigan.
Congresswoman, let me ask you now -- and I watch the briefing yesterday at
the Congressional Black Caucus with interest with this story. Where is the
obligation now? Where do you as an elected official go for Ferguson to
follow through with the DOJ at this part, at this point is really crucial
REP. BRENDA LAWRENCE, (D) MICHIGAN: Yes, it is and I want to couple of
point. I am so thank you that the DOJ follow-through and did the
investigation. Secondly I was a mayor prior to becoming a member of
Congress. I feel strongly that we have the responsibility as we
appropriate fund and send federal dollars to this communities that we
mandate, that these advancements and training and accountability of our
local police departments that use are federal dollars, that they`re
These recommendations are recommendations. But we have the power in
appropriating to ensure that when we send dollars to these communities,
they are training their police officers and they`re implementing some of
these really scathing data we`re seeing there is process is put in place to
SCHULTZ: OK. So Congresswoman, you`re now the mayor of Ferguson. What do
LAWRENCE: If I`m the mayor of Ferguson I tell you there must be a complete
overhaul. Leadership there is a corruption within the organization. There
is a culture in every police department and it is incubative t from the
mayor of every city to ensure that that culture is respectful of the
taxpayers that these police officers is taken oath to serve. And I think
there needs to be some house cleaning and some really cleared, deliberate
training and accountability.
SCHULTZ: Well, it`s not only who you fired and who you bring in. I mean
SCHULTZ: . it`s going to take a long time. Dr. Peterson, you deal with
young kids everyday in the classroom, how are they responding to this story
and how do you get them into the mindset that they`re going out into the
real world after being educated and everything is going to be OK?
PETERSON: Well, young people are disgusted by this report. This is a
disgusting report, Ed. And I agree with the Congresswoman. There is no
amount of redemption that is possible for the Ferguson Police Department.
T-Dubb-O is right. It has to be disbanded and maybe reconstituted and sort
of rearranged in certain kinds of ways.
Look at some of the details of the report. I mean it`s clear that this
police department is leveraging their power to extract and extort money
from the community around petty offenses. And it smacks of races from all
over the place. They`re using the dogs to attack children. Every dog bite
reported in this DOJ report is a black person that`s been beaten by dogs.
They`re using all these petty offenses to give them extra jail time. It`s
insane and what`s happening here is insane but we have to remember a few
things and this is what I tell to my students. It`s not just Ferguson.
PETERSON: There are other -- look at the Cleveland Police Department.
Look at other police departments that have undergone this process. This is
a widespread problem which is why it warns the federal attention.
SCHULTZ: T-Dubb-O, have you seen dogs in use in Ferguson?
T-DUBB-O: Yeah, the first night, August 9th when we first put the mid
shift memorial for Michael Brown out. As soon as the (inaudible) pulled up
then they got all with the dogs. It looked like the 1960`s all over again
and one officer even allowed his dog to urinate...
SCHULTZ: This is disgusting.
T-DUBB-O: ... on the blood in the rose petal that we have put in the
middle of the street from Michael Brown where his body laid.
SCHULTZ: What can the Federal Government do to correct this Congresswoman?
I mean obviously the follow up, there is a civil lawsuit now that could
possibly bring rest -- some kind of restitution to the family but how do
you legislate against racial profiling?
LAWRENCE: You legislate by setting standards. It`s very clear that we
appropriate money, cap funds and other appropriations that we sent to
communities to ensure that our police are ready and all police are not bad.
I want to be they are clear about that but the culture that we have that
has been documented in this report that we know it is repeated all -- in
many different places in this country must stop.
These attacks are on poor people, people of color and we cannot in America
say that this is normal and acceptable and we absolutely cannot continue to
send money to keep encouraging...
LAWRENCE: ... or funding this type of behavior. So we must pass
legislation that will set standards for training, for making sure that some
of the recommendations that have been given to us are actually implemented
SCHULTZ: Well, where is the State of Missouri`s responsibility here? Why
do they have to look to Washington? Dr. Peterson, all politics is local.
Damn it. Somebody is Missouri going to do something about this?
PETERSON: Yeah, you know what? The Governor -- I`m sorry, the Governor`s
office has to got step in here...
SCHULTZ: I mean this report came on his watch.
PETERSON: . I would say that St. Louis and the county`s job to step in
SCHULTZ: This report came on the Governor`s watch.
PETERSON: Exactly. And he`s got to be disgusted about it. Here`s another
scary piece of this is that the report shows that it`s recently in February
15th, these police officers have been unlawfully disrupting peaceful
protest and they have been illegally preventing citizens from recording
PETERSON: So they are infringing on a civil rights directly of this
community and every politician in the State of Missouri and every
politician across this nation should be outraged and disgusted by this
SCHULTZ: And finally T-Dubb-O where do you go from here with this? Now,
that this is out, what`s your next move in the community? How do you
progressively move forward to make it a better world?
T-DUBB-O: We have to save our community. For so long we fought to be
accepted in to the house that doesn`t want us there, into a system that is
designed to keep us in its position and that`s the reason that we`re in
this position now. And everybody says, "Well, just be patient, use the
vote, we need to file legislation."
Well, we`re still trying to get into the house that doesn`t want us there.
We need to focus on our community despite of what we`re doing here in Saint
Louis is we`re working on problematic responses. We have different fights.
We`re starting with the youth. We have a tech problem where we`re teaching
disadvantage youth and impoverish you how to call via websites. We do
books and breakfast every last Saturday on the month where we feed them and
politically educate them. We`re working on IOD program that work on career
In my city where I come from, on the side that I came from it is impossible
for a young boy who said he wants to be an astronaut and we make them
possible where we`re going to work on trying to make them possible. If you
say we need to vote, we registered over five to 6,000 people in Ferguson to
vote. We`re using that information in our own database to create are own
political parties to push our own candidates.
We`re trying to make the reform happen that we want to see so we don`t have
to worry about our children being gun down in the middle of the street and
they have the opportunity to dream just like everybody in this country.
SCHULTZ: T-Dubb-O, go on. Good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate
it very much.
T-DUBB-O: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: Dr. James Peterson and also Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence.
Thanks for your time tonight.
LAWRENCE: And I want to be clear that...
LAWRENCE: ... our politics are local and absolutely what he is talking
about the vote of the people, the community taking ownership and speaking
LAWRENCE: ... and doing the things of this young man -- that`s where we
SCHULTZ: Great to have all of you with us tonight for the discussion. I
appreciate it. And get your cellphones out...
LAWRENCE: Thank you.
SCHULTZ: ... I want to know what you think folks. Tonight`s question, do
you think any change will come after the Department of Justice`s report.
Text A for yes, text B for no to 67622. Leave a comment at our blog on
msnbc.com and we`ll bring you the results later on.
Coming up Republicans have a new controversial plan to pass the Keystone XL
Pipeline. North Dakota Senator John Hoeven joins for the details on his
Plus, this was the dramatic scene at LaGuardia Airport here in New York
earlier today as the jet skidded off the runway. We`ll bring you the
latest details and developments from the ground. Stay with us. We`re
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
The clock is ticking on the highway trust fund which is expected to expire
on May 31st. Now America is a first world nation but out roads and bridges
and highways -- well, the engineers tell us that they`re crumbling.
One quarter, that`s 25 percent of our nations bridges are structurally
obsolete or deficient. Despite the desperate need for investment lawmakers
in Washington have struggled to come up with a way to pay for all of this.
The gas tax hasn`t been raised since 1993. It can`t keep up with
construction cost. And we know the consequences of inaction all too well.
Take it back in 2007, we saw the I-35 bridge collapse in Minnesota --
Minneapolis, should I say and 13 died, 145 people were injured. This
should be really a no-brainer but for some reason we just can`t get
Congress to move on this. Instead, what we`re seeing now, Republicans and
my next guest, what they want to do is hold the Highway Trust Fund hostage
to make sure that the Keystone XL Pipeline gets approve.
Republicans in the Senate failed to override the President`s veto. They
only got 62 votes, they need 67. Now they`re trying to force the
President`s hand by attaching Keystone to a must pass bill.
Joining us tonight, Republican Senator, John Hoeven in North Dakota.
Senator, good to have you with us tonight.
SEN. JOHN HOEVEN, (R) NORTH DAKOTA: Hi, Ed.
SCHULTZ: How are you going to get this done? Do you think that putting
this with the Highway Trust Fund is going to tip enough off votes to get
HOEVEN: You know, I think that`s an option. I think we`ll look to attach
Keystone either to infrastructure bill and another energy bill or an
appropriations measure. Highway Bill would be one option and I think it
could help actually bring votes to the bill.
SCHULTZ: Senator, would you hold up funding to the Highway Bill and
infrastructure for Keystone?
HOEVEN: Ed, I want to pass a highway bill and I think we`re going to get
it done this year and I need I long term six-year highway bill that funds
our roads and bridges.
Now, I think Keystone can be a part of that but at the end of the day I`m
going to make sure we pass the Highway Bill no matter what. But remember,
Republicans overwhelming support Keystone and even in his stated union, the
President kind of referred to Keystone and a Highway Funding Bill as both
So, you know, we`ll see there are maybe some opportunity here to actually
bring votes to the bill.
SCHULTZ: Well, I don`t think there`s any a lawmaker that wants to be held
up in front of the public saying, this is the elected official that did not
vote for the Highway Bill. So, it`s almost as if you have the perfect
Now, we did some checking in the State of North Dakota where I used to
reside and you have been for a long time. You got.
SCHULTZ: . 726 bridges that need repair. I mean.
SCHULTZ: . how did you say no that? Is Keystone worth it as you see it?
HOEVEN: Well, number one, we have to do a highway bill. So that is a
number one priority for me, I think we have to do at this year. It has to
be a long-term bill. So at the same time, we need energy infrastructure to
have the right energy plan for this country. That means the right mix of
pipeline, rail and roads. So I think we need to do both.
But if you`re asking me what I -- at the end of the day, stop a highway
bill of Keystone, highway bill is a bigger priority. We need to get that
done. So that`s not the case.
I think though, we can find legislation that will have more than 67 votes
that we can include Keystone as a part of in passing.
SCHULTZ: So you think that there might be another five votes out there in
the Senate that would view the infrastructure and Highway Bill as so
important if they would tip on Keystone? I mean, it`s very clear ...
HOEVEN: Oh yeah.
SCHULTZ: ... that looks like what the strategy is.
HOEVEN: Sure. They`re both infrastructure. You know, you`re talking
roads, you`re talking bridges, you`re talking rail, you`re talking
pipelines, you`re talking transmission lines, that`s all infrastructure
that this great country needs.
SCHULTZ: If it doesn`t work on Keystone or should I say, if Keystone
doesn`t work on the Highway Bill, where else would you put it? Is this
going to be a standard operating procedure.
HOEVEN: Yeah. Yeah.
SCHULTZ: . and you`re going to put it everywhere?
HOEVEN: I`ll find the right fit where it gets us more than 67 votes so
that we can pass it. And that could be an appropriations measure, as I
say, that could be another energy bill.
Look, Ed, I have tried this before. Actually the last time we bill, I was
on the conference committee.
HOEVEN: And I hand Keystone until the very end and then we dropped it out
when we made the final deal. So this is not the first time, but we`ll find
the right fit.
SCHULTZ: All right. What is the President says no? There`s a lot of
rumors out there, he is very close to a decision and of course you have the
property rights issue in Nebraska. What about those two issues?
HOEVEN: Well, really the litigation that has been settled in Nebraska and
as far as him saying no -- I expect he will say no, you know, he`s delayed
these six years. I don`t think he do that if you were going to say yes.
SCHULTZ: So you think he`s going to say no then?
HOEVEN: Right. I do.
SCHULTZ: OK. Well, as I understand it, it`s been widely reported that in
Nebraska, the property rights issue, eminent domain is in the courts after
taking other couple of years.
HOEVEN: Well, again with litigation, as you know that can -- that`s always
ongoing. So I don`t that you can ever say there would be no future
litigation that relates to any project. The issue is getting the approval
so that you can actually go forward to construction. That`s what we do
with the bill that was passed in Congress.
SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Hoeven, good to have you with us tonight. I
appreciate your time.
HOEVEN: Thanks Ed.
SCHULTZ: You bet. Let me bring in Jane Kleeb, Executive Director of Bold
Nebraska. Jane, your response to what you`ve just heard.
JANE KLEEB, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF BOLD NEBRASKA: Yeah. Well, for one, I
mean, he certainly living in never-never land. If he thinks that
Nebraska`s lawsuit are all tied up. He said that the legal, you know, path
to Nebraska is all settled and it`s not.
In fact, the route in eminent domain are all on hold as our case goes back
to the Supreme Court now that the landowners have legal standing. And if
the, you know, if Senator Hoeven actually wants to come look us in the eye
and actually see what that risk, we would be happy to host him and happy to
bring him not only to farmers and ranchers but the tribal nations as well.
Because honestly, I believe we really need -- is we need a cross partisan,
large energy bill not this nit-picking at the edges or people in their
corners when it comes to energy.
SCHULTZ: Look, well, they view this as a big part of the energy bill --
this pipeline as we all know. And I, of course -- well on record -- I`m
against the pipeline. But this technique of putting it on bills that are
desperately needed -- I mean, we have to fix roads and bridges all over
this country. This might be the one that tips it. What are your thoughts
KLEEB: Democrats have not rolled over yet and I don`t see them rolling
over. I also think -- I do agree with Senator Hoeven that the President
will reject the Keystone XL. And so then, members of Congress on the
Republican side and the few Democrats that they have in their pocket are
going to have to decide is they`re g continue to go against the will of the
League of Conservation Voters polls clearly said, 70 percent of Americans -
- once the President makes a decision -- they want Congress to move on and
that`s exactly what we need Congress to do. They need to move on to across
partisan energy bill that actually helps American energy not Canadian Tar
sands. Because you know this pipeline, it`s all about Canadian Tar sands
getting to the export market. It has nothing to do with American oil.
SCHULTZ: All right. Jane Kleeb, Bold Nebraska, good to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time. Thank you.
KLEEB: Thanks, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Coming up, new details about Hillary Clinton`s e-mails, plus the
latest, the investigation into the Delta flight that skidded off the runway
at LaGuardia. That`s coming up. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And we are back and we got a lot of weather. More weather is
bearing down on the eastern half of the United States. 74 million
Americans are under storm watches our warning today. How about I-65 that
turn into a parking lot near Louisville, Kentucky after more than 20 inches
of snow fell on that part of the country and the National Guard is helping
stranded drivers more than 4,000 flights have been canceled and over 2,000
delayed in the storms path. That includes almost 900 flights out of
LaGuardia Airport here in New York.
The weather has been a factor -- may have been a factor in the Delta flight
that skidded off the runway earlier today and hit a fence at LaGuardia
Airport. We`ll have updates on that as we move along tonight.
But first let`s turn to NBC meteorologist Domenica Davis. And I see you
and I see you have a very beautiful radar screen there.
DOMENICA DAVIS NBC, NEWS METEOROLOGIST: Isn`t it.
SCHUTLZ: You got a lot color on that.
DAVIS: Well, it looks nice because it`s finally ending, Ed. And we`re at
the back edge of the system. So we had 1,500 miles of nasty weather today.
It is now shrunk and that is the good thing. So it`s clearing I-95, but
still it going to be a very though commute as we still we have about an
hour so to go because we can say goodbye to this.
So here we look future cast 7:00 P.M. it`s showing most of the snow pushing
off to the coast with the exception of Cape Cod, Massachusetts and then
down by Northfork. But about 9:00, 10:00 this whole system pulls away and
we can finally say goodbye to the preset that we have been seeing.
However, temperatures are going to be plummeting. So we will see morning
lows in the single digits to much of the northeast. Chicago one degree for
the low tomorrow, even at Atlanta. That cold is making it that far south -
- 27. So there will be a lot of icing concerns that will continue over
night and tomorrow morning. So the cold sticks around but the snow is gone
SCHULTZ: That`s the good news. Domenica Davis, thank you so much.
There`s a lot a more coming up on the Ed Show stay with us. We`ll right
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sorry we`re having aircraft off for runway.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Deficit 99, go around find maintained 2,000.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 1999 going around.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, but it`s close. See absolutely close, we got
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. That one of the big stories across
America today, you were just listening to the air-traffic controllers.
Their audio earlier today from LaGuaria Airport as a tower was dealing with
the runway going off dealing with airplane that went off the runway.
Shortly after 11:00 A.M. Delta flight 1086 coming in from Atlanta skid off
the runway, into the fence during today`s winter storm. 132 people they
were deplaned after the accident -- this not an accident it`s an incident,
OK? And several had minor injuries and they were five taken to the
A minor fuel leak was also reported after the incident. Earlier today the
Executive Director of the port authority commented on the runway
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PAT FOYE, PORT AUTHORITY EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR: Shortly before the incident
approximately 11:05 two planes landed and reported "Good breaking action on
the runways". The runway this particular runway had been plowed shortly
before the incident and pilots on other planes reported good breaking
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: One runway has been reopened at LaGuaria. It`s not clear when
the other runways will be available for flight and reopened.
For more let me bring in Anthony Roman is the President of Roman Associates
and FAA-license commercial pilot. Lot`s to unpack here, what your take
from what you know today after everything that`s unfolded?
ANTHONY ROMAN, FAA LICENSED COMMERCIAL PILOT: Well, this is not good
reason for this aircraft to have weather been into light quartering
tailwind of about 12 knots near the end of is rolled out. That airplane
needs about 4,500 maybe 5,500 feet to stop in the contaminated situation
such as this. So, we suspect mechanical failure perhaps nose gear failure.
SCHULTZ: Well, look at that video type right there Mr. Roman. That`s
looks full flaps to me, which tells me that`s a normal approach. There
probably on ILS with that weather condition. This MD88 unless the cockpit
was retro fitted doesn`t have autoland and the pilot would have to
disengage the autopilot and land it visually. So, I mean to having full
control the aircraft -- this looks like there could been a runner failure
ROMAN: Well, it could be. It wasn`t optimal to have this aircraft land
with the quartering tailwind. As, you know, you`re a pilot Ed, you know,
very well. We should be landing into the wind.
ROMAN: But he visibility with such that the minimum approach visibility
for the other two favorable runways was not to the level that needed to be
here. So the pilot was landing with a quartering tailwind. He`s
approaching at final approach speed of about 155 to 165 miles an hour. He
had plenty of room to stop. Perhaps the trust reverse was failed. Perhaps
it was the landing gear failure. But there should be no reason for that
aircraft to do.
SCHULTZ: And I was sounds like a normal approach. I mean they made the
runway. I mean that made the runway and there`s no emergency procedure
that would tell a pilot to take the aircraft off the runway.
ROMAN: No, no, no. The other possibilities are if we`re going to examine
the possibilities for differential diagnoses of pilot error. He touched
too far down the runway and it was high speed and adds additional breaking
which cause the plane to skid. That`s one possibility.
Perhaps another possibility he was just going too fast. So, there are
number of things to look at -- mechanical failure, too fast landing speed,
too far down the runway at your touchdown point. Those are the things
we`ve be looking.
SCHULTZ: NTSB will get to quickly won`t they because I`ll be able to
debrief of pilots, they`ll have the black box, they`ll listen to the
communications, they`ll get out and see exactly what happen to the
aircraft. This should be pretty easy to figure out what`s going on. It
won`t be much mystery here, will there?
ROMAN: No. No mystery at all. The go team was in route within half hour
after the accident and they`ll have all of that data. They`ll be very data
rich, so there`ll be some causation of this accident.
SCHULTZ: OK. Great to have you with us, Mr. Roman. I appreciate your
ROMAN: Pleasure to be here.
SCHULTZ: Thank you. Still to come, Hillary Clinton replies to the e-mail
controversy. David Brock joins me on the latest details. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: And in tonight`s two minutes drill, here we go. He`s coming
back. Bronco quarterback Peyton Manning has agreed to a $4 million pay cut
as part of the contract restructuring deal. Denver Post reports that
Bronco is were looking a bigger pay cut in order the sign more players in
the off season. Manning is going to make -- don`t feel sorry for him --
$15 million next year 2015 but will they have a chance to make that $4
million with bonus incentives. OK.
Next up, happy trails. Remember Bob Barker and Adam Sandler duked it out
on the links in the movie "Happy Gilmore"? Well, now almost two decades
later the pair is reuniting for the "Night of Too Many Stars" fundraiser
and it seems a rivalry still lives on.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BOB BARKER, ACTOR: You`re looking chunkier than the soup.
ADAM SANDLER, ACTOR: That`s was a good one.
BARKER: I guess doing all those movies without me took its toll.
SANDLER: It will be nice to squeeze (ph) your body.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: It worked before that work again and finally net gain Huston
Rockets are just rolling on the NBA standings and despite of tough loss
last night to the Memphis Grizzlies there was one big winner on the court.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have seen this all season long. This is the BPVA
super $25,000 no one has played it until that young man just do.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Always good to throw it in for $25,000, isn`t it? Pretty nice
seats to the Rockets game next time around. Lots more coming up on the Ed
Show. Stay with us, we`re right back.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tell me with the plunder and the e-mails was that just
a generalization gap or can that be corrected? And she has now been
correcting this (inaudible) Secretary Clinton.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: The media storm around Hillary Clinton`s personal e-mail account
is reaching a fever pitch photographer from TMZ did his best to get Hillary
Clinton to react to -- on Wednesday afternoon at the airport.
Congressman Peter Roskam, member of the Select Committee on Benghazi is
comparing Clinton to Richard Nixon. John McCain, John Dean on Andrea
Mitchell show earlier today.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
SEN. JOHN MCCAIN, ARIZONA: This is the same individuals that just
excoriated the Bush Administration for supposedly hiding communications
within the administration.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: After Select Committee on Benghazi issued subpoenas late
yesterday, Clinton tweeted this last night. "I want the public to see my
e-mail. I asked State to release them. They said they will review them
for release as soon as possible."
John Kerry chimed in while traveling in Saudi Arabia earlier today.
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JOHN KERRY, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: I believe we have all the ones that -
- I think we have all the ones that are state.gov, which are appropriately
the ones in the purview of the department. But let me check on that when I
actually have time to pay attention to such an important issue when I get
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: That`s called Kerry humor.
Clinton`s political future hangs on the balance question mark. I doubt it.
A new poll from Quinnipiac University shows that she has a lead over all of
our potential Republican challengers. The poll was conducted before the
New York Times e-mail story broke Clinton`s smallest lead as against Jeb
Bush. Three-point lead falls just outside the margin of error.
Joining me tonight, David Brock, Founder and Chairman and Board Member of
Media Matters for America. Great to have you with us.
DAVID BROCK, FOUNDER & CHAIRMAN AND BOARD MEMBER OF MEDIA MATTERS FOR
AMERICA: Thank you very much, Ed.
SCHULTZ: What`s the right-wing plan here? Did democrats tired of the
Clinton`s with this kind of stuff?
BROCK: Sure. I mean, look, they`ve been trying what I call a kind of
preemptive strategy of this qualification with this Benghazi hearing that`s
been going on for years now to tar and tarnish her record before she gets
in. And I think they don`t her very well so they may have had some
expectation that that actually scare her off.
And, yeah, you know, one of the most frightening things I ever find is,
Democrats believing republican propaganda. So there a little about out
there too. But at the end of the day, this is political season. We`re on
the eve of presidential election. And this is a desperate tactic by
Republicans who have noting to offer the country and they`ve had nothing on
Benghazi for months. They`re trying to fire up this investigation, fire up
their base and get those Benghazi truthers.
SCHULTZ: I mean, I think that, you know, they are ready for Hillary
slogan. It`s like the Republicans coming back with this saying, "OK, are
you ready for more of this?"
SCHULTZ: I mean, to throw this whether there`s a Clinton, there`s a
controversy, whether there`s a controversy, there`s an investigation. Does
the country really want this? I mean, I think that that is their strategy.
BROCK: Sure. I don`t doubt that that might be part of their strategy but
the reality is that this is so familiar now. And for some of us who have
been in this for -- since we never got the apology from the "New York
Times" on White Water in 1992, this week has played out exactly like that.
And I think people are understanding what this is.
I think that they understand that the Republicans are desperate. They tip
off on newspaper. They get a false story and then you get this entire
media complex and you get this explosion of coverage and the truth has a
hard time catching up and people are still confused to that that there was
no violation of law here, that these e-mails were reserved. And, you know,
you`ve mentioned Secretary`s tweet last night. If ...
SCHULTZ: So, I`m going to ask you, what do you make of tactic to go on
Twitter and respond to it?
BROCK: Look -- I think it was a low key inappropriate way of dealing with
it but the reality is this -- I don`t know in history, a cabinet officer
who`s disclosed all their e-mail. It`s like the greatest active
transparency we`d ever seen and yet you`ve got people out there,
Republicans and also in the press who are holding at Jeb Bush as the
paragon of transparency when he had 3 million e-mails. They`d cherry-
picked less than 10 percent, put that out and that`s transparent.
Why doesn`t he match what Secretary Clinton`s done?
SCHULTZ: The narrative on the right-wing right now -- by these right-wings
sell it on Fox is that A, there could have been a real security breach
BROCK: Sure. Should she address that?
BROCK: Sure. I think when she becomes a candidate she`s going to be asked
these questions. There`s no evidence of that. The State Department says
that`s not the case. These are what you`ve said. These are the Fox News
people, the Benghazi truthers. There is, you know, Ed, they`re never going
to be happy.
You`ve mentioned the subpoenas from the committee. OK. So, 55,000 page of
e-mail were turned over right? Now, about 10 percent were held back as
strictly personal. They want those too, Ed. They want to go pry and
harass and embarrass.
BROCK: So, in that sense, you know, this is really just politics as usual
for Republicans and we expect it, we recognize it, we know what it is, and
it`s not going to matter.
SCHULTZ: And Trey Gowdy wants to be somebody.
SCHULTZ: I`m not convinced to that.
BROCK: No question.
SCHULTZ: David Brock, great to have you with us tonight. Let`s turn now
to Bob Shrum and also John Nichols with us tonight. Gentlemen -- Bob
Shrum, is this going to be effective? Is this a problem for Hillary
BOB SHRUM, DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST: I don`t think it matters for voters at
all. It`s a process story. It`s irresistible to a lot of the press
because they want a democratic race and it`s catnip for the conservative
I mean, Fox will be talking about at a year from now. I suspect you`ll
hear a lot of Republicans talking about it a year from now. But in 2016,
voters are going to vote on the economy. They`re going to vote on health
care, they`re going to vote on who stands up for the middle class, national
security. They`re not going to vote on how she sent her e-mails.
SCHULTZ: What about this John Nichols, where is the down side?
JOHN NICHOLS, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, THE NATION: Well, there`s a down
side if there is something controversial or troubling in these e-mail, if
there are some evidence of wrong doing. But people don`t worry as much
about how someone communicates as they do about what`s communicating.
That`s where something becomes an issue.
And I would also counsel that Hillary Clinton is going to be answering
questions about this. She should and we should ask questions about
transparency and about how our cabinet members operate. But, as for
attacks from the Republicans, it`s important to remember that many of the
Republican presidential candidates or potential candidates, people like
Scott Walker and Chris Christie have had controversies about how they and
their aids communicate and use e-mails.
So, at the end of the day, I`m not sure this is going to be that big an
SCHULTZ: But this is certainly ammunition Bob Shrum for them to set up the
narrative. Are you really ready for Hillary because it`s going to be more
the same? It seems like every time there`s a Clinton around, there`s a
controversy now -- you know, that`s what`s out there in the right wing
media. We all know what the truth is, OK?
And if there`s anything wrong in these e-mails, I would be stunned.
Hillary Clinton is been around so long and done so much. Why would she put
herself in a vulnerable position? What about it?
SHRUM: I don`t think there`s -- and we`re going to find anything in these
e-mails that`s going to make any difference at all. The Benghazi Committee
which is chastening a red herring is going to try to find something. It`s
not going to be there.
Look, she didn`t set up this e-mail system and the anticipation of
something like Benghazi. She was doing something fundamentally along the
lines that compounded when she was the secretary of State.
And as I understand it, the role that you shouldn`t do that use the State
Department system exclusively didn`t a fact until a year after she left.
This is the same old stuff we`ve been hearing for 20 years going back to
White Waters David Brock said. The attacking of Clinton`s were supposedly
cutting corners, supposedly not being transparent -- how was that worked
out for them?
SHRUM: It`s been, you know, yeah, they`re going to -- they`re preaching to
the converted, they`re preaching to themselves. It`s not going to change
the mind of a single voter.
SCHULTZ: Here is more John McCain with Andrea Mitchell today talking about
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
MCCAIN: I`m afraid that if I was e-mailing, given my solid always calm
temperament, that I might e-mail something I might be -- regret.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: You know, and I think that`s what, John Nichols, Republicans are
looking for it. They`re looking for the real Hillary. They`re looking for
something in her personal e-mail somewhere. What do you think?
NICHOLS: Well, I mean, you can look for the real Hillary as hard as you
want. There were people who as has been suggested by other guests doing
that for the better part of 30 years. The truth to the matter is Hillary
Clinton has been a public figured for a long time. She was an elected
United States senator very much under scrutiny, a candidate for president
and then a cabinet member.
It`s pretty doubtful that she`s going to be taking great risks in digital
communications that she, above, probably anyone else understands are
certainly not entirely secret. So, my bet is that this is a controversy
that we`ll talk about for a while. It may lead to some new protocols and
some new demands on cabinet members. That`s fine. But at the end of the
day, I really doubt that this is going to be a serious 2016 issue.
SCHULTZ: All right. Let`s go back to David Brock, because I want to ask
Now let`s talk about Hillary Clinton personally. Is she fumed inside about
BROCK: Well, I don`t know that but I would be. If I was the -- if the
"New York Times" put on the front page a false allegation that I broke
federal law without a source, I`d be anger. I don`t know how she feels.
SCHULTZ: All right. David Brock, great to have you with us. Bob Shrum,
John Nichols, always great to have you with us fellows.
That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening, Rev.
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