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'Deborah Norville Tonight' for Nov. 26

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Guest: Beyonce Knowles, Michelle Williams, Kelly Rowland


DEBORAH NORVILLE, HOST:  Kelly, Beyonce and Michelle, the multi-platinum Grammy-winning trio known as Destiny‘s Child, the bootylicious (ph) babes who catapulted to fame and fortune on a string of hits and some eye-catching videos.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  They want to say it‘s because of the sexy clothes and it‘s because of, you know, whatever else.  No.  It‘s because I‘m talented.


NORVILLE:  Now, after a three-year hiatus, Destiny‘s Child is preparing to hit the road again with a new act and a new CD.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  There‘s nothing better than being on the stage with your sisters and singing in three-part harmony.


NORVILLE:  Tonight, you‘ll see why these childhood friends were destined for superstardom from the very start and why, despite her mega-success as a show biz triple threat—dancer, singer and actor—Beyonce is keeping her old act alive.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  You know what?  I love this girl, and I love this girl.


NORVILLE:  Tonight, a date with Destiny‘s Child.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Life is absolutely wonderful right now.


ANNOUNCER:  From studio 3K in Rockefeller Center, Deborah Norville.

NORVILLE:  And good evening.  They‘re beautiful, they‘re talented, they‘re glamorous, and yes, they are bootylicious.  I‘ve never said that on TV before!


NORVILLE:  When we last saw Destiny‘s Child three years ago, they were coming off an incredibly successful Grammy-winning album called “Survivor.”  Yet one of the best-selling female groups in the world decided to go their separate ways.  They swore it was just a short-term separation so they could pursue some solo endeavors.  Well, guess what?  They‘re back with a new CD.  It‘s called “Destiny Fulfilled.”  Written and produced by all three members of the group, it has some personal messages of love, self-esteem, loyalty and growing up.

And I‘m joined here in the studio by Michelle Williams, Beyonce Knowles and Kelly Rowland, Destiny‘s Child, back together again.  Welcome.  Nice to see you.


NORVILLE:  You know what was so fun was watching the open roll, and you guys look at your videos—you like to watch yourself!


NORVILLE:  That was really cool.

BEYONCE KNOWLES, DESTINY‘S CHILD:  It‘s kind of embarrassing, actually.


NORVILLE:  Is it really?

KNOWLES:  You see things we‘ve never seen before, things that are so -you know, a couple of years ago, and you‘re. like, Oh, my God, what was I thinking?

ROWLAND:  Especially when you say stuff, just, like, weird things,

like—something goofy,

NORVILLE:  Something dumb.


NORVILLE:  A lot of people, when you separated to each go—and we‘ll get into the different projects you‘ve done—said, yes, that‘s a PR thing, they won‘t get back together.  But you did.  Why was it so important for you all to do that?  Beyonce, you first.

KNOWLES:  Well, the beautiful thing about us, we really genuinely are friends.  And you know, it was important for us to go our separate ways for a while, even though we always maintained our friendship and we always, you know, visited each other on birthdays and premieres, but just so we can find ourselves.  And we always knew we would come back.  And it‘s so beautiful because we‘re women and we do know what we like and we know what we don‘t like, and we know our strengths and our weaknesses now.  And it just makes the group even stronger and closer.

NORVILLE:  Michelle, is there a certain sense of, We told you so, that you are back together?  Because there were a lot of people in the industry who said, yes, that‘s just a bunch of...


MICHELLE WILLIAMS, DESTINY‘S CHILD:  Well, just like you said today was your first day saying bootylicious, I guess this would be the first time saying, yes, we told you so!


WILLIAMS:  We told you three years ago, when we made our solo announcements, we said that we would take some time off to do the things that, you know, some of us dreamed of doing, which was acting and doing some solo, you know, just kind of, you know—you know, just do, you know, a few things.  And we‘re so excited that we got the chance to do that.  And you know, the confidence is there.  We‘ve grown.  You know, we‘re continually learning things about ourselves and each other, you know?

NORVILLE:  When you came back into the control room or the studio together, Kelly, what was different this time around from, say, four years ago when you guys were working on “Survivor”?

ROWLAND:  I have to agree with Michelle when she says the confidence has grown tremendously.  I think everybody, doesn‘t matter what it is you‘re confident about, whether it‘s vocals, whatever it‘s the way you work creatively, whatever it might be, just the confidence was there, which is all you need, you know, in a situation, you know, like this one, you know?  And it‘s beautiful working together because if I have a question, I‘m definitely going to ask the girls.

NORVILLE:  So you‘re saying that when we saw you guys on the beach doing the “Survivor” thing or the bootylicious or no, no, no, those weren‘t confident young women?

ROWLAND:  No, they were definitely confident, but I think that it‘s something that just sprouted in us.  I don‘t even know what it was.  I think it was a mixture of maturity and, you know, just life lessons and just going through different things and just learning and just growing.  And that‘s what makes you...

NORVILLE:  When you look at the video of—this is “Survivor,” the title cut.  When you look at this, and this is right at the beginning of your career, take me back where you were in your mind, Beyonce, as you‘re, you know, there on the beach, you‘re thinking, This could be a big thing for us.

KNOWLES:  Yes.  Well, this probably was the most difficult video.  Our knees were raw from the sand.


KNOWLES:  The water, as glamorous as it looks, was freezing cold.


NORVILLE:  This is the Pacific, not the Caribbean.


KNOWLES:  They made it look blue, but it wasn‘t quite as blue as it seems.  And you know, it was a test.  We said we were survivors.  They said, We want to test you.  But we knew it was something really special that, you know, this weird vibe that was going on, it was powerful.  And we knew that we had been through a lot and we had this strength.  And it makes me really proud, actually, that we survived all the things that, you know, we were going through at the time, and just, I‘m happy.

NORVILLE:  And Michelle, there‘s almost kind of a belligerence about that song and really about that album.  It was all about young women kind of claiming their own identity and, Get out of my way because I know who I am.

WILLIAMS:  Yes.  That was very important.  And especially when “Independent Women” came out.  It was like, Yes!  I am paying my own cell phone bill!


WILLIAMS:  You know?


NORVILLE:  And I never knew I talked that much!


KNOWLES:  Right.

NORVILLE:  Now fast-forward.  It‘s 2004.  The new album is out.  It‘s called “Destiny Fulfilled.”  Tell me about the fulfillment part before we look at a clip from the album.

ROWLAND:  “Destiny Fulfilled” is just, I have to say, one of the most amazing records that Destiny‘s Child has ever done because, like I said before, it‘s growth.  It‘s confidence.  It‘s just so many different elements on this record that makes it, you know, the great record that we feel that it is.

KNOWLES:  ... accomplished so much.  We—I think, you know, years ago, they asked, before we got our record deal, What is your dream?  And I remember, I was 12 years old, and I said, I just want to maybe go gold, sell half a million records, maybe perform at an awards show or win an award.  And now, you know, we have three Grammys as a group.  I have eight Grammys.  All of us, we‘ve been successful.  And we‘ve gone far beyond a gold record.  So it‘s amazing.

NORVILLE:  When you total it up, it‘s something like 50 million records between...

KNOWLES:  It‘s crazy!

NORVILLE:  ... the group and the solo careers added together.


NORVILLE:  Some people would say, Just stop right now.

KNOWLES:  Well, we have worked hard, and we actually, after this, want to take a little break for personal time because we‘ve been working since we were 9.  We‘ve been in Destiny‘s Child since we were, you know, babies, over half of our lives.  So we have to have time to just kind of soak up all the things that we‘ve accomplished.

NORVILLE:  But before you do that, you‘ve got to sell this album.


NORVILLE:  And you‘ve got to sell a lot of them because you‘ve raised the bar really high for yourself.  If “Survivor” was all about independent women saying, I am who I am, deal with it, I almost think, listening to some of the lyrics, that “Destiny Fulfilled” is more, Love is really what makes the world go around, and man, I‘m glad I found that out.  Am I overanalyzing here?

ROWLAND:  No, you‘re just about on it, definitely.  I know we‘ve had different experiences with love, and we wanted to express it on the record, you know, whether it‘s friendship, whether it‘s in a relationship.  And it‘s just really amazing how the album just takes you through these different moods.  And it‘s amazing.

NORVILLE:  Well, there‘s one song that‘s, I guess, one of the first ones that got released, called “Lose Your Breath.”  Now, this is, like, major attitude walking down the street.



NORVILLE:  Guys that make you lose your breath, which seems kind of different from the message of the first album.  So what‘s going on in your personal lives to make you say this?

KNOWLES:  Well, the great thing about the album—you know, this guy actually can‘t keep up.  And the next song on the album is “Soldier,” which talks about the type of guy we want.  And the album takes you through this journey of trying to find this true love.  And in the end, we realize that you need love within yourself and your friends and your foundation.  That has to be strong before God can bless you with real love.

NORVILLE:  And so this is “Lose Your Breath.”  This is now—we‘re going to switch over to “Soldier,” which you said is the next—the next song in this...


NORVILLE:  This one, you got to wonder who exactly you were talking about.  Let‘s roll it, and we‘ll listen to a little bit, and then we‘ll talk some more.


NORVILLE:  “Better be straight if you‘re looking at me.”


NORVILLE:  Michelle, what are you telling and who are you telling it to?

WILLIAMS:  Well, we are telling this to a young man, to men, that you have to be a soldier.  We have to feel protected and loved and that security, you know?  I think we all desire that.  And Kelly got her soldier.

NORVILLE:  You got your soldier, and he gave you a nice little piece of jewelry there.  When is the big day?

ROWLAND:  The big day is next March.

NORVILLE:  During the tour?



ROWLAND:  No, before the tour.  Right before the tour.


ROWLAND:  No, right before the tour.

NORVILLE:  How much of your own lives are in those songs?  I mean, you‘ve been working really hard, as you said, since you guys were, like, 9 years old, with Destiny‘s Child.  You‘ve gone through a lot of progressions.  You are young women.  You‘ve taken charge of your lives both professionally and personally, as well.  What‘s the message to the people listening to your songs out there?

KNOWLES:  I think the beauty in being in a group.  We‘ve kind of combined all of our stories together, and you really don‘t know who the songs are about or what experience, you know, particular, specific experience, but it‘s so wonderful to have all these women that have been through the same types of things.  And actually, this album—every woman -- you know, if you‘re a teenager, if you‘re, you know, older, whatever race, whatever, you all kind of feel the same emotions when you fall in love or when you fall out of love.

NORVILLE:  Or you find out what the guy‘s really all about.

KNOWLES:  Exactly.

NORVILLE:  This is also an album that‘s very different from the other one because you guys took charge.  You produced it.  You wrote most of the songs collectively and kind of put it together in a real collaborative effort.  Was that harder than you thought going into it?

KNOWLES:  It actually just flowed.  I mean, we‘ve always been a part -

·         we‘ve always written and produced all of our own songs.  But I think now that Michelle and Kelly have solo albums, you know, they grew so much as songwriters, and we collaborated this time.  It‘s amazing.  We literally sat and laughed and talked and wrote down the lyrics.  And Kelly would hum a melody, Michelle would hum a melody, and it was just a great vibe.

NORVILLE:  But you did it in record time.  You did this in less than a month...

KNOWLES:  We did.

ROWLAND:  Three weeks.

NORVILLE:  ... in the studio.  That‘s incredible.

ROWLAND:  It took us three weeks to do this record.  But the great thing is that it all just happened.  That‘s what‘s really amazing, is that it all just happened.  Michelle had spot days (ph), Beyonce was filming “Pink Panther,” and it was just so crazy because she was filming “Pink Panther” by day and coming to the studio by night.  So she‘s definitely a hard worker.  And not only that, but we just really put forth a really great effort and we worked really hard.  We had two studio sessions going on at one time.


ROWLAND:  So one person would be upstairs, the other person would be downstairs cutting vocals, and we‘d alternate.  So we got it—we made it happen.

NORVILLE:  You talk about working so hard.  You all have had a lot of different things going on.  We‘re going to take a short break.  when we come back, more with Destiny‘s Child and the specific endeavors they‘ve been busy with.  Stay with us.




UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  I should warn you, Foxy, 2002‘s very different.

KNOWLES:  Well, the future better get ready for me because I‘m Foxy Cleopatra, and I‘m a whole lot of woman!

UNIDENTIFIED MALE:  2002, here we come!


NORVILLE:  That was Beyonce Knowles in “Austin Powers Goldmember,” one of the three movies she did during the three-year hiatus of Destiny‘s Child.  Each of the three members of the group did all kinds of solo projects during the time apart, but the group is back together.  The new album is called “Destiny Fulfilled.”

How much fun was “Austin Powers”?  That is the best line of movies lately.

KNOWLES:  I know.  It‘s so amazing!  I still can‘t believe that was me.  It was such a great time in my life.

NORVILLE:  When you came home and you practiced your lines, I‘m guessing your little sister, Solange (ph), was what, probably about 12 at the time, and you do that, I‘m a whole lot of woman, did she just thing, She‘s lost it?

KNOWLES:  Absolutely.  And she‘s very honest.  But she was, like, What are you doing?  But it was the best time.  And I was so nervous and so excited.  It was my first film, and I was with all these seasoned actors.  And I still—like I said, I watch it, and I‘m, like, Oh, my God, that‘s me.  It‘s amazing.

NORVILLE:  And that really helped propel your career, Beyonce, into a whole ‘nother direction.  Was it hard for you guys—she‘s your friend.  She‘s like your sister.  You want her to do well.  But then you‘re going, Whoa, that looks like fun.  I might want to try that.  Was there ever any sense that, Gee, I‘d like to do some of the same sort of thing, Kelly?

ROWLAND:  Not at all because, you know, what‘s a blessing in a friendship is the fact that there‘s that support there.  And even if, like, we were on the set and we were watching her be, like—we‘d watch in admiration, and then she‘d say, Oh, girl, shut up.  This is you next year.  And it‘s so funny because...

KNOWLES:  And it was.



ROWLAND:  But it‘s just such a blessing to have that in a friendship, the loyalty and the honesty and the trust.  And it‘s the support system.

NORVILLE:  And while the hiatus was going on, each of you were doing different things.  There‘s the “Jason” movie.  How was that one?

ROWLAND:  That was fun.


NORVILLE:  Yes, we‘re going to show...


ROWLAND:  Oh, they don‘t like the...



ROWLAND:  I mean, you got these teensy weensy...



NORVILLE:  Yes, OK.  There might be a kid up.  We (UNINTELLIGIBLE)  We didn‘t roll that part.  How much fun was that?

ROWLAND:  That was a lot of fun.

NORVILLE:  Because that‘s kind of like a classic thing.  When you‘re doing a Freddy movie, that‘s just a whole genre right there.

ROWLAND:  Yes, that was definitely—I was honored to be doing a Freddy—or even the “Freddy vs. Jason“ movie.  I think that just made, you know, history.  So I was so excited to be a part of history.  And my girls supported me, and (UNINTELLIGIBLE) be, like, Oh, I don‘t know what to do today.  You know, you just get really nervous, and she was so supportive.

NORVILLE:  Because Beyonce had already gone down the acting path, was she able to give you tips?

ROWLAND:  Definitely.

NORVILLE:  What‘d she tell you?

ROWLAND:  You know what?  It‘s so funny because she always just tells me to just be myself and just, you know, let the life come out, the character, so...

NORVILLE:  And while these guys were burning up films, Michelle, you were burning up Broadway.  You were in “Aida.”


NORVILLE:  That has to be a different kind of pressure...

WILLIAMS:  It is...

NORVILLE:  ... when you‘re on stage and it‘s live.

WILLIAMS:  Oh, yes.  Yes, because on Broadway, you have to really know the words.  You have to know your lines.  And I‘m not saying in music that, you know, you don‘t know lines or music or your words, but you can‘t put your mike in the audience and say, Everyone sing along, if that‘s not part of the script, you know?  But I‘ve learned so much.  Everyone was so wonderful.  You know, you hear all of these Broadway stories about, you know, you have—I think it‘s Broadway divas and the cattiness.  But everybody was so supportive.  They were, like, Michelle, you are doing it.  You‘re great.  You‘re—you are acting, you know?

KNOWLES:  She was great.

WILLIAMS:  So it was awesome.  I had the best time of my life.

NORVILLE:  On the other hand, coming in as having been part of a group like Destiny‘s Child, where you‘ve made headlines, you‘ve sold bazillions of records, there‘s a reputation, and people probably expected you to come in with an attitude.

WILLIAMS:  Yes, I think they did.  But we had fun.  We‘d go to Ruby Foo‘s (ph) after the show and eat Chinese, and we‘d have a ball.  You know -- you know, we—we—people had birthdays.  We‘d, you know, sing “Happy Birthday” to each other.  And I was just like everybody else.  You know, you come in and do your job.  You know, you‘re all are there to support each other because when one is just not in tune with the other people, the show doesn‘t go too well.

NORVILLE:  How do y‘all make these opportunities happen in your career?  You‘ve got the musical career out there.  It‘s clear that you‘ve got a lot of talent that you‘d like to use in other directions.  How do those opportunities happen?  You‘ve got a fragrance that you recently launched.  How does that kind of thing happen?  Because there are a lot of people out there who are talented, but they can‘t take that talent or even that notoriety and ratchet it up to the next opportunity.

KNOWLES:  Well, I think we are pure and I think we love what we do, and I think people can see that and appreciate it.  And we are—you know, we‘re real singers.  We write our own music.  And I think the thing we focus on is respect.  We want to make sure that our kids can, you know, be proud of their mommies one day.  And we want to be proud of what we‘ve worked so hard for, and I think people can see that.

NORVILLE:  Yes.  You talk about working hard.  You‘ve been doing it for so many years.  We‘re going to take a short break.  When we come back, we‘re going to talk about the flip side of fame.  All good all the time?  Maybe not.


NORVILLE:  We‘ll be right back.


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Life is absolutely wonderful right now just because all of our hard work has paid off.  And even though we‘ve been through changes...


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE:  Change is always good.  I know four Grammy nominations is so much—so much!  You know what I‘m saying?  Especially to start off the year 2001.  It‘s incredible, and we couldn‘t ask for nothing more.




NORVILLE:  Back with Destiny‘s Child, reunited after three years of a hiatus working on solo projects.  Their new CD is called “Destiny Fulfilled.”  They are one of the most successful girl groups out there.  But it wasn‘t always that way.  Let‘s go back into time.  You guys basically grew up together, Kelly and Beyonce, pretty much, what, from grade school?

KNOWLES:  Since we were 9.

ROWLAND:  Since we were 9.

NORVILLE:  From 9 years on.


NORVILLE:  Like sisters, shared the same room, the whole 9 yards?

KNOWLES:  Shared bathroom...

ROWLAND:  Clothes.

KNOWLES:  Everything.


NORVILLE:  How did you all know at 9 years of age that the kind of success you‘re enjoying now is what you wanted and that there was a chance it was going to happen?

KNOWLES:  I think, you know, there are just certain people that are born for things.  And we were very focused.  We wanted to be singers.  That‘s what we dreamed about, and we couldn‘t think of anything else.  And it was fun for us.  We loved—Oh, God!  What are you showing!


KNOWLES:  We loved to sing.  That‘s all we wanted to do.  We loved to dress up.  We loved to watch those tapes of the Jackson Five and...

NORVILLE:  And would you really do that?  You‘d watch En Vogue, you‘d watch the Jackson Five, and you‘d come up with these groups?

I don‘t know if that‘s a cheerleading routine or what.


KNOWLES:  Look at my hair!

NORVILLE:  Do the talent shows?


KNOWLES:  Oh, my God, what are y‘all doing to us!

NORVILLE:  No, but isn‘t this great?  I mean, here you are, you‘re little bitty peanuts.  I mean, clearly—you know, you didn‘t do this in just one afternoon.  You clearly came up with these routines.  Was this the after-school activity for you?


KNOWLES:  Exactly.

NORVILLE:  You come home and...

ROWLAND:  This is what we wanted to do.

KNOWLES:  Exactly after school, every summer, we would perform everywhere we could. 

NORVILLE:  If you could get in, you would sing.


KNOWLES:  If it was the grocery store, my mother‘s hair salon, anywhere. 

ROWLAND:  Salon.

KNOWLES:  Anybody that came to visit Houston, we were like the opening act. 

NORVILLE:  Right. 

KNOWLES:  And we were so excited and so in awe, and that just—it was our dream. 

NORVILLE:  And your dad and mom were incredibly supportive of your efforts, too.  Your father actually quit his regular job to manage your career... 


NORVILLE:  ... little bit older.

KNOWLES:  Yes, yes.  It was amazing.  And now that I‘m older, I‘m like, wow. 

ROWLAND:  That‘s a lot of faith. 

NORVILLE:  It‘s a huge leap of faith. 

ROWLAND:  It‘s a lot of faith. 

NORVILLE:  Did you guys feel the pressure? 

KNOWLES:  No.  Not at the time.  We were clueless. 


NORVILLE:  Can you imagine?  That little 12-year-old better sing really well or we might not eat if she doesn‘t. 


KNOWLES:  Well, we still were—we were OK.  My mother was very successful, had one of the best hair salons and the biggest hair salons in Houston.  So we were financially OK. 

But to see even the struggle that they had in their marriage, because my mom thought he was crazy.  And now, you know, I‘m older.  I‘m like, he was crazy. 


NORVILLE:  There you are with your mom, who we should not has done your wardrobe for appearances for years and years and years. 


NORVILLE:  There she is. 

And, as good as you are now, they didn‘t really recognize it back then.  You guys were on “Star Search.”  Before you became Destiny‘s Child, you were called Girls Time? 

KNOWLES:  Girls time, yes. 

NORVILLE:  And here we are.  You thought memory lane was painful. 

It‘s going to get worse.  Watch the girls way back when. 



FEMALE:  Guaranteed to make you jam while you‘re eating your green eggs and ham. 




ROWLAND:  That was so painful. 

NORVILLE:  What was that like?  You‘re, what, 11 years old, probably? 

KNOWLES:  We were 9. 


NORVILLE:  Nine years old. 

ROWLAND:  Imagine us keeping our faces up and just smiling at you right now.  And as soon as we like go behind a corner, like we broke down. 

NORVILLE:  Did you think it was it, that we‘ll never amount to anything?


ROWLAND:  We were distraught.  We thought the world was over.  We thought it was over. 

KNOWLES:  All I could think of was my friends.  They were watching at school, how embarrassed I was going to be. 


NORVILLE:  Because you told them, we‘re going to be on “Star Search.” 


NORVILLE:  And, of course, they expected you would win because you were so good in Houston. 

WILLIAMS:  But you‘re winning now. 

NORVILLE:  Yes, whatever happened to those people who got four stars, right? 

KNOWLES:  It was amazing, because we were so sad and so devastated, until they took us to Disney World the next day.  And we forgot everything. 

ROWLAND:  Yes, they were like, you guys are going to Disney World Tomorrow.  OK.  


NORVILLE:  You‘ll be fine.  You‘ll be fine. 

Michelle, when you came into the group about, what, three years ago, four years ago? 


NORVILLE:  Four years ago. 


NORVILLE:  It had been a time of a lot of upheaval.  And I guess, in a sense, it was probably difficult for you to come into a situation where there had been a lot of changes.  Girls had come and girls had gone.  What was the pressure on you at that point? 

WILLIAMS:  It was pressure, because Destiny‘s Child had to keep it going.  There was no time, you know?

And I was so grateful that, you know, they were reteaching things that they had—were going over, over the last 10 years, you know, of their life.  So we would go to a dance studio in Houston, and we‘d practice.  And then, next week, it was time to shoot the video for “Say My Name.”

And that was my first time experiencing the whole hair, makeup, clothes, late nights doing videos and all of that stuff, you know?  But I learned that it‘s not all that you see on the TV there.  This is work.

NORVILLE:  Yes, this is like major glam stuff. 


NORVILLE:  But the process of the major glam is anything but glamorous. 

Beyonce, give us a sense of what a typical day for you all is like, especially right now.  You‘re out promoting a new album. 

KNOWLES:  Yes.  Wow.  Several costume changes. 


KNOWLES:  Yes, 4:00 a.m. until 7:30, you know, 13-, 14-, 15-hour days.  And people expect you to perform like it‘s your first time after the seventh time.  But, you know, it‘s a part of our life, and we‘re happy to get the record out. 

And we know that we work hard and we make sure we have balance in our lives, and we know our limits.  We know, OK, after these weeks, we have to have a couple of weeks to relax.  And we‘ve learned that. 


NORVILLE:  And you have probably learned it the hard way. 

KNOWLES:  Yes, we did. 

NORVILLE:  Oh, just one more interview, just one more performance. 


NORVILLE:  How hard is it to say no? 

ROWLAND:  You know what?  It used to be hard to say no.

KNOWLES:  It still is in a way. 

ROWLAND:  Sometimes it‘s hard still to say no.  But it comes a point to where you have to think, you know, I have to wake up tomorrow and I have to be asleep like peacefully tonight.  Like you want to fall asleep on your pillow sane, not crazy.  So you think about that first above anything. 

NORVILLE:  I know that faith is an important part of your lives individually.  Given the success that you‘ve had as a group, what do you think your responsibility is, if any, to give back to, to reach down and pull somebody along as you guys are on your way up? 

KNOWLES:  Well, it‘s definitely important. 

And, actually, Kelly and I have a Knowles-Rowland Center in Houston where kids come.  And there‘s a studio built in there.  And basically the thing that kept us so healthy here was music.  And when kids have something else to do with their lives and their time, it keeps them away from all that other stuff.  So I know that‘s something that we all are very passionate about children, and we‘re global ambassadors for World Children‘s Day for McDonald‘s. 

And we‘re very excited about that.  We‘re visiting a lot of the Ronald McDonald Houses every day on the tour all—from Spain to Japan to everywhere all around the world.  So that‘s a blessing. 



And do you think kids today want it as badly as you all wanted it 10 years ago? 

KNOWLES:  You meet certain fans, and it‘s amazing.  It‘s like something that‘s just in them.  There‘s just superstars. 


KNOWLES:  And some kids, you know, they just want it for the wrong reasons, just like adults.  It doesn‘t matter. 


KNOWLES:  But you see certain people that, you know, have it, and they want it.  And that can be being a doctor or being anything, you know.  Just when you want it, you can see it. 

NORVILLE:  We‘ll take a short break. 

Collectively, they have sold 50 million records.  What‘s that do to your life?  We‘ll find out in a moment. 



NORVILLE:  When they split up three years ago, Destiny‘s Child was on top of the world.  Well, now they‘re back together.  But what‘s the downside of the fame and fortune?  More in a moment.



NORVILLE:  A little commercial plug there, Destiny‘s Child singing the McDonald‘s theme. 

And there‘s a reason that McDonald‘s loves them.  And it‘s mutual, because McDonald‘s is helping to sponsor Destiny‘s Child world tour, which begins next spring, 75 places, 16 countries, five months.

And you‘re getting married right before this. 

ROWLAND:  Yes.  The tour is called Destiny Fulfilled and Lovin‘ It.”

NORVILLE:  And “Lovin‘ It,” right.

ROWLAND:  And we‘re really excited about this tour.

But, yes, I‘m getting married before the tour. 


NORVILLE:  Now, you all don‘t really eat Big Macs much, do you, to stay this big? 

KNOWLES:  You know what?  We actually every day ate the chicken salads. 


ROWLAND:  While we were recording. 


KNOWLES:  Recording the album, yes.

ROWLAND:  Even before we knew about our deal with McDonald‘s, we were just eating the salads every day. 

WILLIAMS:  And it seemed like Germany had the best fish fillet. 


WILLIAMS:  We just had some last...


ROWLAND:  And apple pie.

NORVILLE:  How important is it just to the success of a tour to have a commercial sponsor, whether it‘s McDonald‘s?  There are soda companies that do other outfits.   Almost every big tour that comes through, there‘s a company attached to it.  Can you not do it without a big name like that? 


KNOWLES:  You can.  We have before.  But we‘re very happy that we have great relationships with the best people.  And it always helps your tour.  It‘s amazing. 


NORVILLE:  By just getting more people aware of the fact that you guys are going to be in town? 


NORVILLE:  How do you keep the energy up when you do something like that? 

KNOWLES:  It‘s our love for the stage, because we literally can be sick and just so tired and even hoarse sometimes. 


KNOWLES:  And you get on the stage and your voice comes from somewhere.  Something happens. 

ROWLAND:  Magic. 

NORVILLE:  I always—often wonder about the flip side of being famous.  You get to wear the great clothes.  You go to all these amazing things.  You meet these people that the rest of us just hear about, and here you are looking gorgeous on the red carpet. 

But when you‘re facing those cameras and there are 75 of them all flashing, what‘s it like?  Is it a surreal experience? 

KNOWLES:  It is. 

You see all the flashes, and sometimes you have to take yourself out of your body, you know?  Because there‘s so much you kind of have to zone out and just smile and think of something else and pretend you‘re not even there, because there‘s just so much going on. 

NORVILLE:  Is it a little bit scary? 

KNOWLES:  Yes, it is. 

NORVILLE:  How so? 

KNOWLES:  Well, you know, it‘s kind of like everyone‘s screaming and so aggressive. 


ROWLAND:  Cameras.  Photographers are so aggressive.  So you‘ve just really got to focus on what you‘re really there for, so you can get out of all the—it‘s too much going on. 

NORVILLE:  And can you ever not be famous?  Can you ever not be Michelle, Beyonce, Kelly, and just put on the raggedy jeans and the sneakers, instead of the four-inch heels, and go down to the Wal-Mart or whatever? 


WILLIAMS:  I know when we go home or when we‘re around our family, you know, they don‘t see Michelle, Beyonce or Kelly.  They may even call us by our nicknames that they called us when we were younger. 

Or I know, when I go home, my mom says, you can still wash the dishes. 

So I‘m like, all right. 


NORVILLE:  So it doesn‘t go with you? 


NORVILLE:  It has to.  I mean, come on, you guys are humongous. 

ROWLAND:  You still have to go out and present yourself. 

NORVILLE:  If you don‘t have the hair and the four-inch earrings.


ROWLAND:  Exactly.  Next week, you‘re in the worst dressed list. 


ROWLAND:  So you always just want to make sure that you‘re still presentable.  And you just...

KNOWLES:  That‘s hard.  It‘s hard sometimes.

ROWLAND:  It is.  But it‘s amazing that we can—maybe it might be only in our homes.  But when we‘re at home, we can still be ourselves.  But it‘s hard, because, even when you‘re vacationing and trying to do normal things, people recognize you. 

NORVILLE:  They don‘t give you your space. 



NORVILLE:  What‘s the best advice each of you has gotten? 


WILLIAMS:  To take time out and really get to explore the various places that you‘ve gone.  Janet Jackson told us that in Amsterdam at an awards show.  And she was saying, take time out.  She said, you don‘t want all this time to go by and you never—and you look back and you didn‘t enjoy anything that you did. 

KNOWLES:  Security is so important, being secure and loving yourself. 

People can see when you don‘t, and people admire you when you do.  And it‘s so important to feel beautiful and be proud of yourself and love yourself, because people really do see it. 

NORVILLE:  There are a lot of teenage girls that will buy your new record, who will look in the magazines at your photos and go, well, she loves herself.  There‘s nothing lovable about me. 

KNOWLES:  And you know what? 


KNOWLES:  I think the great thing and the thing that a lot of parents have to instill in their children is, we‘re all different. 

And my mother didn‘t by me name-brand clothes.  I wasn‘t the cool kid.  She gave me puff paint and glitter paint and told me to make my own clothes.  And we maybe could have afforded the name-brand tennis shoes, but she wouldn‘t buy that for me.  I was very different.  And it taught me individuality at a young age.  And it‘s very important not to try to be like anyone else and learn about yourself and know what you are and be proud of who you are. 

NORVILLE:  Kelly? 



ROWLAND:  Yes.  I‘m like—oh, gosh. 

It‘s just so many.  You know what?  You grow and learn different things every day.  Never think that you know everything. 

KNOWLES:  Exactly. 

ROWLAND:  Never think that you‘re up to your limit with knowledge, because you‘re constantly filling yourself up every day with different knowledge, whether it‘s about yourself, whether it‘s about the world, whether it‘s about whatever it may be about.  You still want to grow and learn.  You still want to be a great human being and be able to just be full of this wonderful knowledge and spread it to everybody.  So...

NORVILLE:  Beyonce, you got a new fragrance that‘s out.  It‘s a Tommy Hilfiger thing, I think, called True Star. 

KNOWLES:  True Star, yes. 

NORVILLE:  What is a true star to you? 

KNOWLES:  I think we‘re all true stars.  Someone confident and someone that, when they walk in a room, you see it and you admire it, and someone that‘s illuminating and that glows.  And I‘m very proud of the fragrance. 

NORVILLE:  Was it hard to pick out a scent?  There you are with  Hilfiger and you guys are sniffing all the little different oils. 

KNOWLES:  It was.

It was so many different fragrances and so many different mixtures.  It was like hundreds of—you try it over and over and over again.  And, finally, there was one.  It was two things that I kind of had a hard time.  But when I smelled it, True Star, I knew it was perfect, because it was not too overbearing, and it just smelled like me.  You know, if I had a fragrance, that‘s how I would like it to smell. 

NORVILLE:  If that smelled right, then there must be things that come along for all of you that don‘t seem right. 


NORVILLE:  How do you know when to say no?  How do you know when this is not with our value system, it‘s not with what our public image is, we‘ve got to steer clear?

ROWLAND:  That‘s exactly what you do.  You try to evaluate everything, everything you could possibly think of that you‘re either not comfortable with or that you feel like you don‘t stand for.  And you just... 

KNOWLES:  It‘s in your gut, actually.

ROWLAND:  Exactly. 

KNOWLES:  It‘s not too hard. 

NORVILLE:  Well, you all had a chance to do a reality TV show.  What a concept.  Nobody is doing them anymore.  And I heard you turned it down, right.



KNOWLES:  It‘s just too much. 


You all—not only that, but I think one thing that we—I know I love about us is that we‘re a mystery.  I like the fact that we do different things, but we‘re not in everything.  And, like, I love the fact that it‘s just not too much, or we try to make it like it‘s not too much, because we feel that that‘s really important. 

KNOWLES:  And we‘re also very private.  I know I‘m very private.  And


NORVILLE:  How can you be private when you‘re such a big musical star?


NORVILLE:  That‘s got to be a challenge. 

KNOWLES:  It‘s important to keep certain things, you know, to yourself. 

If there‘s something that—you know, if I don‘t know someone, I‘m not going to tell them everything.  But if I love you and you‘re my friend, then I‘ll tell you everything.  And it‘s important, so you can still have something to yourself.  I couldn‘t imagine having cameras in my face all day every day, even though there‘s nothing wrong with that.  And if that‘s your thing, it‘s beautiful.  It‘s wonderful, but...

ROWLAND:  They‘re some of my favorite shows.



NORVILLE:  ... cameras all the time.


And I feel so bad, because you get so wrapped up in it. 

KNOWLES:  Yes.  It is addicting.

ROWLAND:  And, sometimes, I‘m so crazy, like, I wouldn‘t want nobody to get wrapped up in my crazy little life. 


NORVILLE:  When you look ahead, you guys have been doing this since you were 9 years old. 

You came into the group 19, maybe 20.  How long do groups last?  And what would be the ultimate finale for you?  And it may be different for each of you.  You have your shared success, but there‘s probably individual goals, too. 

Michelle, what would be the ultimate accomplishment at the end of this? 

WILLIAMS:  The ultimate accomplishment is just, I think, one has success when they are truly, truly happy.  And that‘s what we want, you know, successes, keeping this friendship as pure and loyal as it is, just keeping your sanity.  I think that‘s great. 

NORVILLE:  I‘m going to let that be the last word. 

But we‘ll take a short break.  Back more with Michelle Williams, Beyonce Knowles and Kelly Rowland after this. 


NORVILLE:  Back with Michelle Williams, Beyonce Knowles, Kelly Rowland.  They are Destiny‘s Child.  The new album is called “Destiny Fulfilled.”  It‘s at record stores right now.

I am going to ask each of you to—everybody talks about you.  I want you to talk each other.  You tell me about these two young ladies to your right and then we‘ll turn the tables on the other two of you. 

ROWLAND:  OK.  I‘ll give some words. 

I sum Beyonce up as the definition of love and truth. 

NORVILLE:  Love and truth. 

ROWLAND:  I sum Michelle up as incredibly intelligent and just amazingly talented.  And just—she‘s like a mother as well. 

WILLIAMS:  Oh, thanks.

ROWLAND:  But they‘re wonderful.

NORVILLE:  Michelle, the ladies to your left. 


Beyonce is very, very meek and patient, pure love, pure love. 

Kelly is just very, very nurturing, just humble, you know, just down to earth, and she just makes you feel like everything is going to be OK.  You may not even know what she goes through, what she goes through.  But they are all like, it‘s going to be OK. 

NORVILLE:  Beyonce? 

KNOWLES:  They‘re going to make me cry. 



Well, Kelly is very giving.  She gives.  She‘s so generous.  She gives everything.  You know, if you‘re hungry and she hasn‘t eaten, she gives you her food.  If you‘re cold, she gives you her coat, even though she‘ll be cold. 

WILLIAMS:  She‘s the coldest one. 


KNOWLES:  Michelle is just soulful.  She has this beautiful soul, and she makes everyone laugh.  She‘s just—she‘s a light and very talented.  And they‘re so gifted.  And I‘m so blessed.  We‘re all blessed to have each other, because we balance each other out. 


NORVILLE:  It‘s nice to see three women who are friends who are also successful. 

Destiny‘s Child, thanks for coming in.  We wish you lots of success and on the tour next year. 


ROWLAND:  Thank you. 

WILLIAMS:  Thank you. 

NORVILLE:  And we‘ll be back.  Want to thank our group for being here and thank you.


NORVILLE:  As always, you can send us your ideas and comments to us at  We‘ve got some of your e-mails posted on our Web page.  That address is  It‘s the same place you can sign up for the newsletter.

And that is our program for tonight.  Thank you so much, Destiny‘s Child, for being here.

And thank you for watching.  I‘m Deborah Norville.  All of us here hope you have a good night.  We‘ll see you again. 



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