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Chuck Todd to Byron Donalds on Trump defense: 'Do you realize how absurd that sounds?'

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In 2019, President Donald Trump said he couldn't imagine anyone using the debt ceiling as a negotiating wedge. "He said that when he was president," Rep. Byron Donalds (R-Fla.) says. "[Now] he's not president."