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What happened on Day 2 of Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson's confirmation hearings

Jackson appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee for the second day, answering more than 13 hours of questions from senators. Live coverage has now ended.

Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson faced hours of questioning from senators during the second day of her confirmation hearings Tuesday.

Democrats largely praised Jackson's record, while Republicans focused their attacks on her history as a public defender.

Questioning will resume Wednesday at 9 a.m. ET.

Key highlights from Tuesday's session:

  • Jackson declined to weigh in on "packing" the Supreme Court.
  • After a series of questions about prisoners at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, Sens. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., and Dick Durbin, D-Ill., got into a heated exchange about the inmates.
  • Jackson said abortion rights are "settled law."
  • Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, repeatedly tried to goad Jackson into saying critical race theory is part of her judicial philosophy
  • Jackson declined to answer questions from Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., intended to draw attention to the national debate about transgender rights
623d ago / 2:40 AM UTC

Key takeaways from a marathon day of questions

Jackson rejects labels, vows ‘impartiality’

Jackson said she was “reluctant” to apply labels such as “originalism” and “living Constitution” to capture her judicial philosophy, saying that the Constitution is “fixed in its meaning” but that sometimes, judges need to also look at history, structure and circumstances alongside the original intent of a statute.

One word Jackson repeatedly returned to was “impartiality” as she discussed her method of ruling on cases as a judge.

Republicans sharpen attacks

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, pressed Jackson about The New York Times’ “1619 Project,” critical race theory,  the book "Antiracist Baby" by Ibram Kendi — and whether she believes "babies are racist."

In a tense set of questions, Cruz pushed Jackson about her sentencing record in child pornography cases, with charts comparing her punishments to officers’ recommendations. He pressed her about the meaning of civil rights leader Martin Luther King Jr.’s words.

Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., focused all of his questioning on child pornography cases and sought to depict Jackson as too lenient against defendants. She appeared visibly frustrated as she sought to explain her role in sentencing.

For all the key takeaways and highlights, go here.

623d ago / 2:12 AM UTC

Hearing concludes Day 2

At 10:12 p.m. ET, the second day of Jackson's hearings concluded. Senators will return at 9 a.m. ET Wednesday to finish the first round of questions and conduct a second round.

Before gaveling out, Durbin offered a fact check of some of the statements that had been made about the judge and her record.

623d ago / 2:06 AM UTC

Blackburn asks about transgender issues

Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., asked Jackson a series of questions intended to draw attention to the national debate about transgender rights.

Jackson responded to them by deferring, pointing out that Blackburn was trying to ask policy questions and not legal questions.

"Do you think schools should teach children that they can choose their gender?" Blackburn asked, opening her line of questioning about transgender issues.

"I’m not making comments about what schools can teach," Jackson responded.

Blackburn then quoted from an opinion that Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote that discussed the differences between men and women. She then asked Jackson whether she agreed with Ginsburg.

Jackson said she hadn't read the case, adding, "It's hard for me to comment."

Blackburn then asked, "Can you provide a definition for the word 'woman?'"

"Can I provide a definition? No," Jackson said, adding, "Not in this context. I’m not a biologist.

"I address disputes. If there is a dispute about a definition, people make arguments, and I look at the law and I decide," she added.

623d ago / 1:58 AM UTC

Blackburn questions Jackson about abortion

Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., pressed Jackson on her views about abortion, arguing that Roe v. Wade should be overturned.

She quoted from a filing Jackson made in a case that referred to a group of anti-abortion rights activists as "noisy" and "hostile." She then asked Jackson whether, when she saw anti-abortion rights women at her church, she viewed them the way the women in the filing were described.

"Do you look at them thinking of them in that way, that they're noisy, hostile, in your face? Do you think of them? Do you think of pro-life women like me that way?" Blackburn asked.

Jackson said the line Blackburn quoted was part of a brief filed on behalf of a client, not a statement of her own opinion.

"That was a statement made in a brief I made on behalf of my client," Jackson said.

But Blackburn found the response insufficient.

"I think even zealous advocacy doesn’t allow that kind of rhetoric on a free speech issue," Blackburn said.

623d ago / 1:46 AM UTC

Jackson emphasizes fundamental right to vote

Sen. Alex Padilla, D-Calif., asked Jackson about her view on the Supreme Court's role in ensuring the protection of voting rights and democracy in light of recent restrictive voting laws that he said ran counter to the spirit of the movement that led to the Voting Rights Act.

"The right to vote is protected by our Constitution," Jackson said. "The Constitution makes clear that no one is to be discriminated against in terms of their exercise of voting, and the Congress has used its constitutional authority to enact many statutes that are aimed at voting protection."

Jackson said that concerns about both voting access and ensuring an absence of fraud "are embodied by various laws and provisions, and there are disputes at times over the concerns and the balances that are being made across the country relating to the exercise of voting."

In keeping with her efforts to skirt politics, she went on to describe how such disputes eventually reach the Supreme Court while appearing to emphasize the fundamental nature of the right to vote.

623d ago / 1:05 AM UTC

Jackson sidesteps questions on 'court-packing'

Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., repeatedly pressed Jackson about her thoughts on "court-packing," asking for her opinion on increasing the number of Supreme Court justices.

"I don't understand why you won't weigh in on this issue," Kennedy said at one point, after Jackson declined to share her personal opinion on the matter.

"I feel so strongly about ensuring that judges remain out of political debates," she said. "I don't think it's appropriate for me as a nominee to comment on a political matter that is in the province of Congress."

Kennedy, probing further, asked whether it would "make a difference" to Jackson if she were one of nine justices or one of 28.

"I would be thrilled to be one of however many Congress thought it appropriate to put on the court," she said.

623d ago / 12:37 AM UTC

Hearing resumes

The hearing resumed at 8:37 p.m. ET, with three more senators left on the schedule for Tuesday night.

623d ago / 12:25 AM UTC

GOP senator predicts Jackson will be confirmed

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, a member of the Judiciary Committee, made a prediction Tuesday evening about Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson.

"I think she's done pretty well," Cornyn said in the Capitol. "She's going to get confirmed."

Cornyn, who questioned her earlier in the day, said he's undecided and leaning "no" personally but that it was a matter of how many Republican votes she would get.

"She's going to be a reliable vote for the left wing of the court," he said. "She's not going to change the ideological balance on the court. So I think that makes it less controversial — or less consequential."

623d ago / 12:02 AM UTC

Jackson on balancing career and children: 'Things will turn out OK'

In response to a question from Sen. Booker, Jackson offered a little more explanation of her opening remarks when she told her daughters that she had "juggled" her career and raising them — and not always gotten the balance right.

“I hope for them, seeing me — hopefully, you all will confirm me — seeing me move to the Supreme Court that they will know you don’t have to perfect in your career trajectory, that you can still end up doing what you want to do,” Jackson said. “You don’t have to be a perfect mom, but if you do your best and you love your children that things will turn out OK.”

623d ago / 12:01 AM UTC

'Well within the norm': Booker pushes back on Hawley

Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., defended Jackson's judicial record, arguing that Sen. Josh Hawley's line of attack against the nominee on child pornography cases "doesn't hold water."

"You are well within the norm, nationally, for going below the sentencing guidelines," Booker said.

He went on to cite data that appeared to indicate Jackson wasn't an outlier with her sentencing history in a series of cases highlighted by Hawley, R-Mo., earlier in the day.

Booker also noted that Jackson has been endorsed by victim advocacy groups and organizations.

623d ago / 12:00 AM UTC

Committee recesses for a break

The committee recessed for a 20-minute dinner break just before 8 p.m. When they return, three senators still have their questions remaining tonight.

623d ago / 11:45 PM UTC

Booker connects attacks on Jackson about crime with her perspective as a Black woman

Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J., responded to the criticism from Republicans on the panel that Jackson was "soft" on crime by pointing out that most murder victims in the U.S. are Black men.

He drew the connection that Jackson is a Black woman and that her brother worked as a police officer.

"I imagine you feel in a difference the anguish about what many communities of color struggle with when it comes to crime," Booker said.  

"You're right, senator. It is very anguishing, and it is something that I know all too well," she said.

Booker also pointed out that Jackson is a mother.

"And you a person who has that same fear that many mothers have for their daughters who do go out in this world," Booker said. "I just find it hard to believe your law enforcement background, you’re a mom, that you take lightly any of this urgency to keep America safe."

623d ago / 11:23 PM UTC

Cruz suggests Dems delayed GOP senators' access to info on Jackson

Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, complained that he had not had access sooner to a chart of probation recommendations for Jackson that Durbin said emerged after Hawley began questioning about her sentences in child pornography cases.

The information had been used by Democrats on Tuesday to rebut Hawley's line of attack.

"We were just told that the White House gave it to Democrats earlier today," Cruz said. "Is there anything else that Democrats have access to in this case that they're not sharing with Republicans on this committee?"

Sen. John Kennedy, R-La., chimed in, asking whether GOP committee members "had to be clairvoyant" to know to request the chart.

"The information that we received from the White House, I'm told that everyone had access to if they wanted it," Durbin said, later adding: "Most of this information was published in The Washington Post five days ago, all right? This is not confidential information."

623d ago / 11:07 PM UTC

Cotton quizzes Jackson on criminal sentences

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., asked Jackson about her take on several criminal justice issues — including murder and rape.

“It’s not that they’re difficult questions, it’s that they’re not questions for me," Jackson ultimately said to the series of questions. "I am not the Congress. I am not making policy around sentencing.”

First, Cotton asked Jackson whether there should be more or less police in America. Jackson declined to answer, responding as she has to other questions that it was a policy question, not one a judge decides.

Then Cotton asked her about the average sentence for someone convicted of murder — about 17 years — and whether that was long enough.

She again pointed out that it was a policy question.

“Congress has prescribed a number of factors that judges look at when they sentence. It may in many questions not be, I can’t answer in the concrete,” Jackson said.  

He then asked about the average rape sentence. Jackson pointed out that most rape cases are a matter of state law, not the federal cases that she’s been deciding on.

“That’s a policy question about the egregious crime of rape,” she said.

623d ago / 10:47 PM UTC

Hearing resumes

The hearing resumed at 6:47 p.m. ET, with Sen. Tom Cotton the next to ask questions.

623d ago / 10:29 PM UTC

Jackson defends opinion in Don McGahn case

Jackson cited precedent when asked by Hirono about how she ruled in the case requiring former White House counsel Don McGahn to testify to House impeachment investigators.

Hirono asked why Jackson found the opinion so persuasive.

Jackson responded by explaining the different types of precedent. And in the case of McGahn it was a horizontal precedent, which aims to maintain consistency and keep predictability.

"It means when you are in a district there are many judges, and if someone else in your district has handled a case that comes out and involves the same issues and comes out in a certain way, you as the second judge have to contend with that ruling," Jackson said. "You cant ignore the fact there is precedent in your district that handles a case in a particular way."

"The precedent wasn’t just close; it was nearly identical," she continued.

623d ago / 10:22 PM UTC

Committee takes brief recess

The Senate Judiciary Committee has taken another brief recess to allow senators to vote on the Senate floor.

623d ago / 10:08 PM UTC

Hirono notes several GOP-supported federal judges who sentenced similarly to Jackson in child porn cases

Following Hawley’s tense questioning of Jackson, Sen. Mazie Hirono, D-Hawaii, used her time to point out multiple other federal judges — who’d earned confirmation votes from Republicans — who’d issued sentences to criminals convicted of crimes involving child pornography below federal guidelines.

Hirono then asked Jackson whether she felt that suggested it meant any one of them was “soft” on child pornography offenders, as Hawley alleged against her.

Jackson declined to answer the question — but Hirono made her point in simply asking it.

“I think it would probably be quite unfair to characterize him as being soft on child pornography,” Hirono said.

In all, she mentioned by name more than five federal judges — including Ralph Erickson, Joseph Bianco, Amul Thapar, Richard Sullivan and Andrew Brasher — who she said had all ruled similarly to Jackson in sentences involving child pornography convictions.

"I'm not sure if you've ever met these judges before, but do you have any reason to believe they don't take child pornography seriously?" she asked.

Again, Jackson didn't have to answer for Hirono to make her point.

623d ago / 9:41 PM UTC

Hawley spars with Jackson over sentences for child pornography criminals

Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., as he’d previously telegraphed, spent the near entirety of his allotted time asking Jackson about the sentences she’d handed down in various cases involving criminals who’d made or distributed child pornography that he and other Republicans have repeatedly argued were lenient.

The exchange included a tense moment, when Hawley acknowledged, "I am questioning your discretion and your judgment."

Hawley highlighted one case where federal guidelines called for 97 to 121 months of prison time. He said the prosecutor in the case asked for 24 months. Jackson, Hawley said, sentenced the defendant to three months in prison.

Jackson, who on several occasions Tuesday had already defended those sentences, reiterated that even government prosecutors had advocated for sentences less than federal guidelines and that other elements of the sentence, separate from prison time, were considered.

Calling the crimes in the case “heinous” and “egregious,” she said that “what a judge has to do is determine how to sentence defendants proportionally consistent with the elements that the statutes include with the requirements that the Congress has set forward.”

“The guidelines, as you pointed out, are being departed from, even with respect to the government’s recommendation,” she continued. “The government in this case and in others has asked for a sentence that is substantially less than the guideline penalty.”

“It’s not just about how much time a person spends in prison. It’s about understanding the harm of this behavior. It’s about all the other kinds of restraints that sex offenders are ordered to rightly live under at the end of the day,” she said. That includes “not only prison time,” she said, but also “restraints on computer use, sometimes for decades, restraints on ability to go near children, sometimes near decades — in order to effect what Congress has required, which is a sentence that is sufficient but not greater than necessary.”

She also emphasized that each case is different and, as a result, may require a different approach from each presiding judge.

"If you were to look at the greater body of not only my more than 100 sentences but also the sentences of other judges in my district and nationwide, you would see a very similar exercise of attempting to do what it is judges do, attempting to take into account all of the relevant factors and do justice individually in each case."

Jackson said the case had “unusual” factors that led to the way she issued her sentence, prompting Hawley to say, “I am questioning your discretion and your judgment. That is exactly what I am doing.”

623d ago / 9:35 PM UTC

White House: Covid-positive Psaki 'not a close contact' of Jackson

After press secretary Jen Psaki said Tuesday she tested positive for Covid, White House spokesman Andrew Bates said she had not come into close contact with Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson ahead of her Supreme Court confirmation hearings.

"Judge Jackson is not a close contact with Jen Psaki, nor are any of the administration staffers who are working with her on the Hill. Judge Jackson is also fully vaccinated and boosted," Bates said in an email.

623d ago / 9:02 PM UTC

Braun says Supreme Court should leave interracial marriage to states

Sen. Mike Braun, R-Ind., said the Supreme Court shouldn't interfere with legislation, such as interracial marriage, and should have left those decisions to individual states.

"If you're not wanting the Supreme Court to weigh in on issues like that, you're not going to be able to have your cake and eat it too. That's hypocritical," Braun told WFYI, Indianapolis' NPR and PBS radio station.

“Stick with interpreting the law,” Braun said. “Don’t legislate from the bench.”

Braun told the radio station Jackson seems well qualified, and he wants a justice who won't be an "activist." Jackson herself is in an interracial marriage.

Braun then walked back his comments, and the senator now says he “misunderstood” the question. 

"Earlier during a virtual press conference I misunderstood a line of questioning that ended up being about interracial marriage, let me be clear on that issue — there is no question the Constitution prohibits discrimination of any kind based on race, that is not something that is even up for debate, and I condemn racism in any form, at all levels and by any states, entities, or individuals," Braun said in a statement to NBC News.

623d ago / 9:01 PM UTC

Jackson said Americans should be 'proud' of her nomination

Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., asked Jackson about the hardships she has faced in her career and the impact that a Black female Supreme Court judge could have on young Black women and girls in America.

"I stand on the shoulders of generations past who never had any close to this opportunity, who were the first and the only in a lot of different fields," Jackson said. "My parents, as I said, were the first in their families to have the chance to go to college. I've been the first and the only in certain aspects of my life. ... This is a moment that all Americans should be proud."

Blumenthal called Jackson's confirmation "an extraordinary moment in our history" and noted that her appointment would make the Supreme Court "look more like America, but also think more like America."

623d ago / 8:42 PM UTC

Sasse, Jackson discussion on originalism underscores GOP talking points

623d ago / 8:26 PM UTC

Jackson says she doesn't model herself after any judge

Asked by Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., which justices she’s closest to or which ones she might choose to model herself after, Jackson answered that she was a clean slate.

“I don’t really have a justice that I’ve molded myself after or that I would,” she replied. “What I have is a record. I have 570-plus cases in which I have employed the method that I have described and that shows how I have analyzed cases.”

“In every case, I am proceeding neutrally,” she added.

623d ago / 8:15 PM UTC

Hearing resumes

The hearing resumed at 4:15 p.m. ET. Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., was the next senator to question Jackson.

623d ago / 7:53 PM UTC

But her emails? Coons praises Jackson's adherence to law in 2016 Hillary Clinton ruling

Coons used part of his questioning to point out that Jackson actually ruled on behalf of the Republican National Committee in a case, during the height of the 2016 presidential race, that resulted in the production of thousands of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's emails.

Coons said that ruling was evidence that Jackson has a “deserved reputation for following the law, not a partisan agenda.”

Jackson, Coons explained, had presided over a case in which the RNC had filed Freedom of Information Act requests to USAID for emails involving Clinton.

Jackson ruled in summer 2016 — just before the presidential nominating conventions — in favor of the RNC, and a result, the agency produced thousand of pages of emails.

“The substance and timing of case are really quite striking,” Coons said, saying that the ruling was a testament to Jackson’s adherence to the law and to “the statute issue and the evidence.”

623d ago / 7:50 PM UTC

Biden 'proud' and 'moved' by Jackson

President Joe Biden has been watching Jackson’s confirmation hearings, a spokesman said Tuesday, and likes what he’s seen.

"The President watched portions of Judge Jackson’s hearing yesterday and today and is proud of the way she is showcasing her extraordinary qualifications, her experience, and her even-handedness," White House deputy press secretary Chris Meagher said Tuesday.

"He was also moved by the grace and dignity she has shown, the deference to senators, and the level of detail she is offering, reinforcing the value of her experience, her intellect and the strength of her character," he said. Meagher noted the president was particularly struck by Jackson’s remarks on having family members serve as police officers, as well as “how she swiftly dismantled conspiracy theories put forward in bad faith.”

623d ago / 7:44 PM UTC

Committee takes brief break

At 3:44 p.m. ET, the committee recessed for a 20-minute break.

623d ago / 7:43 PM UTC

Jackson denies citing 1619 Project, critical race theory in cases

Sen. Chris Coons, D-Del., directly asked Jackson if she had ever cited the 1619 Project in any of her cases or used critical race theory to impose a sentence or framework, in which she denied both.

"When I analyze a case, I am looking at the arguments the parties raise in the case, I'm looking at the record, and I'm looking at the law, I'm looking at any statutes, I'm hewing to the text, I'm looking at constitutional provisions to the extent they are applicable," said Jackson. "Those are the inputs appropriate for a judge to consider and those are the only things I use in my decisionmaking."

The exchange came after Cruz attacked Jackson over the teaching of race at a Washington, D.C., private school for which she serves as a board member.

623d ago / 7:23 PM UTC

Cruz and Jackson have testy exchange over her law review note

Jackson showed her first signs of frustration while being questioned by Sen. Cruz, who she said mischaracterized a law review note she wrote in the 1990s. Cruz, a potential 2024 presidential candidate, seemed to suggest Jackson was sympathetic to people who commit sex crimes against children. Jackson rejected Cruz's claim, saying he mischaracterized her writing.

623d ago / 7:14 PM UTC

Jackson says there's 'a balance' to when and how Supreme Court should use 'shadow docket'

Klobuchar asked Jackson for her views on the the Supreme Court’s use of the “shadow docket” — a term that has risen in popularity to describe when the court in unsigned, sometimes extremely brief opinions issues decisions on an expedited or emergency basis.

The Minnesota senator cited the court’s use of the docket to refuse last fall to stop Texas’ controversial six-week abortion ban from going into effect as a prominent source of concern.

Jackson replied to the questions by saying, “there’s a balance the court has to consider” in how and when to use the shadow docket

“On the one hand, it has always had an emergency docket; the need for flexibility, the ability to get answers to the party at issue is something that is important in our system,” Jackson said. “On the other hand, the court has also considered the interest in allowing issues to percolate, allowing other courts to rule on things before they come to the court.”

“I am not privy at the moment to the justices’ views on why and how they’re using the emergency docket,” she added. “If i was fortunate enough to be confirmed, I would look at those issues, but it’s an interesting and important set of issues.”

623d ago / 7:10 PM UTC

Cruz goads Jackson on critical race theory

Cruz repeatedly attempted to goad Jackson into acknowledging that critical race theory was an element in her judicial philosophy.

Jackson repeatedly declined to take the bait.

When asked by Cruz to define critical race theory, Jackson replied that it is “an academic theory that is about the ways in which race interacts with various institutions.”

“It doesn’t come up in my work as a judge,” she added.

At another point, under questioning from Cruz, Jackson said, “it’s never something I’ve studied or relied on and it wouldn’t be something I would rely on if I was on the Supreme Court.”

In many cases, conservative politicians have conflated the term critical race theory — the academic concept typically taught in college courses to examine how laws and institutions perpetuate racism — with broader lessons surrounding race. Many have used the term to describe ideas and books that they believe are too progressive or political for the classroom.

Cruz, at another point, referred to a 2015 speech in which he claimed Jackson described her job as a judge as using critical race theory.

Jackson replied, “with respect, the quote you are mentioning there was about sentencing policy, not about sentencing.”

Moments earlier, Cruz asked Jackson if she agreed with some of the ideas of the 1619 Project, including whether “colonists declared independence because they wanted to keep the institution of slavery.”

“It is not something I’ve studied, it does not come up in my work,” she replied.

Later, Cruz repeatedly tried to pin Jackson on whether Georgetown Day School, on whose board she sits, teaches critical race theory. He held up a series of children and teen books about race.

“I don’t know. The board does not control the curriculum,” she said. “That’s not what we do as board members.”

623d ago / 6:53 PM UTC

Klobuchar asks Jackson about First Amendment case

Sen. Amy Klobuchar, D-Minn., asked Jackson a series of questions in regards to the 1964 New York Times Co. v. Sullivan landmark decision and what she would do if the court were to reconsider the decision.

Jackson would not say whether she would support a revisit of the precedent.

"Anytime the court is asked to revisit a precedent there are criteria the court uses to decide whether or not to overrule a precedent," said Jackson.

She adds, the criteria would include whether the precedent is wrong or egregiously wrong, whether there are other similar cases, whether or not the precedent is workable.

"It would be what I would look at," she continued.

The case provides First Amendment protections to the press and conservatives have recently begun publicly discussing an effort to have the case overturned.

623d ago / 6:49 PM UTC

Ted Cruz says he and Jackson went to law school together

Sen. Cruz began his questioning by remarking that he and Jackson went to Harvard Law School together and were both on the school's law review.

623d ago / 6:34 PM UTC

Jackson: 'My grandparents had just a grade school education.'

Asked by Sen. Klobuchar how she could increase public confidence in the Supreme Court, Jackson said she hoped her path to a Supreme Court nomination could restore that confidence.

Jackson said she is standing on the shoulders of generations of Americans "who never had anything close to this kind of opportunity."

"From my grandparents who had just a grade school education," she said. "But instilled in my parents the importance of learning."

As she has in the past, Jackson acknowledged her parents whom she said were the first in their families to go to college.

"So this nomination, against that backdrop, is significant to a lot of people," she said. "And I hope that it will bring confidence. It will help inspire people to understand that our courts are like them and our judges are like them. Doing the work, being a part of our government. I think it's very important."

623d ago / 6:33 PM UTC

Under questioning from Lee, Jackson defends sentences given to child pornography convicts

After a handful of Republican senators vowed during their opening statements to question Jackson on what they say is a pattern of handing down lenient sentences handed down to criminals convicted of making or distributing child pornography, Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, did just that. 

Lee, pointing to what he said were 10 cases where Jackson handed down a sentence for such offenders that were below federal guidelines, asked the nominee to explain her reasoning.

Jackson responded by saying that federal guidelines were just one element that judges should look at in determining sentences for these crimes and shouldn’t be the sole factor in judges handing down such sentences.

“The court is looking at all of the evidence consistent with Congress’ factors for sentencing. The guidelines are one factor. But the court is told that you look at the guidelines but you also look at the nature and circumstances of the offense, the history and characteristics of the offender. There are a series of factors,” Jackson said.

“In the cases, you are also getting recommendations, and in most of the cases … the government is asking for a sentence below the guidelines because this guideline system is not doing the work in this particular case,” she said.

623d ago / 6:29 PM UTC

Jackson won't comment on Section 230 reform

Jackson said she could not comment on the issue of Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, which is a provision of federal law providing legal protection to websites.

Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, asked Jackson if it would be within Congress' authority "to condition the receipt and availability of Section 230 immunity on those online interactive service providers operating as a public forum that is not discriminating on the viewpoint of those posting?"

Jackson responded, "I can’t comment on a particular issue about whether or not it is constitutional or not. The criteria you identify would be relevant I think as to whether or not the government is seeking to regulate along viewpoint lines under the first amendment that is something that is generally impermissible."

623d ago / 6:15 PM UTC

Photo: Jackson's husband sports Ben Franklin socks

Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson's husband, Dr. Patrick Jackson, wears socks with the likeness of Benjamin Franklin on them during her Senate Judiciary Committee confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill on March 22, 2022.Andrew Harnik / AP
623d ago / 5:50 PM UTC

Durbin corrects allegation Cornyn made about Jackson calling Bush and Rumsfeld war criminals

During the lunch break, Durbin said they spent time doing some research about Cornyn's previous claim that Jackson called the former president and late defense secretary war criminals.

Durbin confirmed that Jackson filed several habeas petitions against the U.S. when she served as a federal public defender in which Bush and Rumsfeld were named in their official capacities.

"You were advocating on behalf of individuals who argued they were civilians, wrongly classified as enemy combatants of the United States. And the filing was part of your professional responsibility to zealously advocate for your clients," Durbin said.

In those petitions, Durbin said the defendants "raised more than a dozen claims for relief, one of which was an allegation that the government sanctioned torture against the individuals, which constituted war crimes under the Alien Tort statute and the Tort statute allows courts to hear cases for alleged violations of the law of nations or the treaties of the United States."

"Apparently, this is what Sen. Cornyn was referencing," Durbin added. "So to be clear, there was no time where you called President Bush or Secretary Rumsfeld a 'war criminal.'"

623d ago / 5:39 PM UTC

Hearing resumes

The hearing resumed at 1:39 p.m. ET. Sen. Mike Lee will have the first round of questions.

623d ago / 4:52 PM UTC

Committee breaks for lunch

At 12:52 p.m. ET, the Senate Judiciary Committee took a 30-minute lunch break.

623d ago / 4:47 PM UTC

Whitehouse returns to his preferred topic: dark money

It wouldn’t be a day of Supreme Court nominee confirmation hearings if Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, D-R.I., didn’t mention his concerns over dark money.

Whitehouse returned to his preferred topic during his questioning time of Jackson on Tuesday (he mentioned the term 12 times during his opening remarks on Monday), once again expressing his concerns about the role of dark money on the right.

“There is a difference I believe between a dark money interest rooting for someone, and right-wing dark money interests having a role in actually picking the last three Supreme Court justices,” Whitehouse said.

He then referred to a series of posters his staff had made for him that featured examples of GOP politicians, including former President Donald Trump, discussing how they’d rely on lists made by the Federalist Society in determining whom to nominate to the Supreme Court.

Dark money refers to funds raised to influence elections by organizations that aren’t required to disclose the identifies of their donors.

“I think it matters when people are seeking to influence the makeup of the court, that the public understands what business they may have before the court,” he said.

Whitehouse did not ask Jackson about dark money, he instead spent his allotted time for questions merely talking about the topic. Although, toward the end of his remarks, he asked Jackson about the differences between being a trial court judge and an appellate court judge.

623d ago / 4:37 PM UTC

Cornyn asks Jackson about Gitmo filings

Cornyn said Jackson called former President George W. Bush and his defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, war criminals in a legal filing and asked her why she did since "it seems so out of character."

Jackson was unsure about what he was referring to and Cornyn said that she made the description when she was representing a member of the Taliban, whom the Defense Department identified as an intelligence officer for the group.

"Senator, I don't remember that particular reference," she said. "I was representing my clients and making arguments. I'd have to take a look at what you meant. I did not intend to disparage the president or the secretary of defense."

Cornyn responded, "Being a war criminal has huge ramifications. You could be subject to the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court and hauled before that international tribunal and tried for war crimes. So it's not a casual comment, I would suggest."

Later after a lunch break, Durbin told the hearing that a check of Jackson's filings revealed no instance in which she called Rumsfeld or Bush a "war criminal."

623d ago / 4:23 PM UTC

Cornyn presses Jackson on same-sex marriage

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, launched into a lengthy set of questions that appeared to be making the case that Obergefell v. Hodges, the case that legalized gay marriage across the country, was faulty.

When asked about gay marriage, Jackson told Cornyn she couldn't comment on the issue of same-sex marriage, since litigation is ongoing.

Cornyn attempted to get Jackson to say it was a person's right if they wanted to hold a "traditional marriage ideology" as part of their religious beliefs.

"Well, Senator, that is the nature of a right. When there is a right, it means that there are limitations on regulation even if means people are regulating pursuant to their sincerely held religious beliefs," said Jackson.

Cornyn asked, "Do you share my concern when court takes on role identifying an enumerated right and creates a new right, creates circumstance for those who hold a traditional belief?"

Jackson replied, "I understand that concern and because there are cases that are addressing these sorts of issues, I'm not in a position to comment about my personal views."

623d ago / 4:08 PM UTC

Jackson: Judges are not policymakers

During a wide-ranging discussion with Cornyn, Jackson was asked if she felt judges could or should make policy — to which she answered clearly in the negative.

“I believe that judges are not policymakers. That we have a constitutional duty to decide only cases and controversies that are presented before us,” she said. “Within that framework, judges exercise their authority to interpret the law, and not make the law.”

“So you would agree with me that judges should not be politicians,” asked Cornyn.

“Yes,” Jackson replied.

623d ago / 4:07 PM UTC

Jackson: Black woman on Supreme Court would be 'meaningful'

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., asked Jackson about the historical significance of adding another woman — and a Black woman — to the court.

"One of the things that having diverse members of the court does is it provides for the opportunity for role models," Jackson said.

"Since I was nominated to this position, I have received so many notes and letters and photos from little girls around the country who tell me that they are so excited for this opportunity ... because I am a woman, a Black woman, all of those things, people have said, have been really meaningful to them. We want, I think as a country, as a country to believe that they can do things like sit on the Supreme Court."

If confirmed, Jackson would be the sixth woman to ever serve on the high court.

Feinstein called her confirmation the "nearest we have ever come to gender equity on the Supreme Court."

623d ago / 3:50 PM UTC

Hearing resumes

At 11:50 a.m. ET, the hearing resumed with questions from Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas.

623d ago / 3:43 PM UTC

Roe v. Wade is 'settled law,' Jackson says

Feinstein asked Jackson if she believes that the 1973 landmark Supreme Court ruling protecting a woman's right to have an abortion is settled as precedent and whether she commits to obey all rules of stare decisis in cases related to abortion.

"I do agree with both Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Barrett on this issue. Roe and Casey are the settled law of the Supreme Court concerning the right to terminate a woman's pregnancy," Jackson said. "They have established a framework that the court has reaffirmed and in order to revisit, as Justice Barrett said, the Supreme Court looks at various factors because stare decisis is a very important principle."

Feinstein followed up by asking whether Roe v. Wade has the status of being a superprecedent.

"All Supreme Court cases are precedential. They're binding and their principles and their rulings have to be followed," Jackson said. "Roe and Casey, as you say, have been reaffirmed by the court and have been relied upon and reliance is one of the factors that the court considers when it seeks to revisit or when it's asked to revisit, revisit a precedent. And in all cases, those the precedents of the Supreme Court would have to be reviewed pursuant to those factors."

In 1992, the Supreme Court reaffirmed the right to have an abortion in the Casey v. Planned Parenthood case. However, Casey also said that states can regulate abortions to protect the mother and the fetus and could make abortions illegal for "viable" fetuses.

623d ago / 3:34 PM UTC

Angry Graham on Guantanamo Bay detainees: ‘I hope they all die!'

After Graham questioned Jackson, he and Durbin got into a back-and-forth about the future of detainees at Guantanamo Bay.

Graham grew agitated after Durbin contested his earlier claim that the recidivism rate among enemy combatants who had been held there was 31 percent.

The lengthy exchange climaxed with an angry Graham yelling, “I hope they all die.”

After Durbin claimed that since 2009, the recidivism rate was 5 percent, Graham repeated his original claim and retorted, “Somebody is wrong here.”

Graham peppered Durbin with a pair of rhetorical questions about whether he supported “detention under the law of war for these detainees,” and when Durbin attempted to answer, Graham shot back: “What does it matter!”

“We had them and they got loose and they started killing people,” Graham, growing visibly upset, continued. “I’m suggesting the system has failed miserably and advocates to change the system like she was advocating for, would destroy your ability to protect this country," he said, referring to Jackson.

“We’re at war, this is not some passage of time event,” he added.

“I hope they all die in jail," Graham then yelled, while pointing his finger and waving his hands. 

“If they’re going to go back and kill Americans, it won’t bother me one bit if 39 of them die in prison. That’s a better outcome than letting them go,” he continued.

“And if it costs $500 million to keep them in jail, keep them in jail, because they’re going to go back to the fight," Graham said, still waving his hands.

623d ago / 3:32 PM UTC

Committee takes 15-minute break

At 11:30 a.m. ET, the Senate Judiciary Committee recessed for a 15-minute break.

623d ago / 3:30 PM UTC

Jackson: 'A lot of people were cheering me on.'

"Did you notice a lot of people from the left were cheering you on?" Graham asked Jackson.

"A lot of people were cheering me on, Senator," she replied.

Graham is trying to portray Jackson as a favorite among progressive and dark money groups and make clear his displeasure she was nominated over Judge J. Michelle Childs, whom he favored.

He also asked Jackson whether she was aware Childs had been labeled a "union-busting unreliable Republican in disguise" by those who opposed her being nominated.

623d ago / 3:20 PM UTC

Schumer criticizes Republicans' attacks on Jackson

Schumer opened the Senate floor Tuesday calling out Republicans on their lines of questioning to Jackson during the first hearing yesterday.

“Republicans showed they don’t have a plan to address Judge Jackson on her merits, so they expended a lot of ink and paper pushing arguments that ranged from irrelevant to downright misleading," said Schumer. "As the judge’s confirmation hearing continues today, I’m confident that Americans are going to see right through these flimsy broadsides and focus on the judge’s impressive, impressive record.”

Schumer added that he is confident Jackson is on track for final confirmation.

623d ago / 3:16 PM UTC

Graham tries to pin Jackson on position on releasing Guantanamo Bay detainees

In a series of rapid-fire questions to Jackson about the high recidivism rate of people released from the military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Graham asked the nominee whether “our system, in terms of releasing people, needs to be re-looked at.”

“That’s not a job for the courts,” Jackson replied.

Graham then asked whether, “as an American does that bother you” that multiple enemy combatants released from Guantanamo have rejoined the fight against the U.S.

“Obvious any repeated criminal behavior, or attacks, acts of war, bother me,” she said. Earlier in her career, Jackson represented people who were detained at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in the wake of the 9/11 attacks as part of her job as a federal public defender.

Later, Graham asked whether Jackson felt the U.S. had the ability to detain persons deemed enemy combatants for as long as they are deemed to be a threat to the U.S.

When she said, “I believe that’s what the Supreme Court has determined,” Graham then suggested she’s argued previously against that position.

Jackson said that any brief she'd written that may have indicated that position reflected her clients' positions, not necessarily hers.

“My responsibility was to make my clients' arguments," she said.

623d ago / 3:09 PM UTC

Graham brings up controversial professor, complains about treatment of previous nominees

After asking Jackson about her faith, Graham asked if the judge, while studying at Harvard, had attended a speech by a controversial professor who made antisemitic comments.

Graham said Jackson was a member of Black Students Association, which invited Leonard Jeffries, a professor at the City University of New York, to speak on campus. Jackson said she did not go to his speech.

Graham said Jeffries had previously called Jews "skunks" and asked if she associates herself with Jeffries' views. Jackson said she does not.

"That's the right answer," said Graham, who then said that critics of Justice Samuel Alito "made a big deal about some group he was in that had views that he didn't agree with and tried to call him basically a racist."

623d ago / 2:59 PM UTC

Graham's questions on faith shift mood in room

The mood in the hearing room noticeably shifted as Graham began peppering Jackson questions about her faith and how faithful she is.

When Graham asked Jackson to rate how religious she is on a scale of 1 to 10,  some people’s heads shot up, while others looked around, appearing to express shock at the tone of questioning.

Booker, for instance, looked over at Graham with an incredulous look on his face.

623d ago / 2:54 PM UTC

Graham presses Jackson on her religious beliefs

Graham questioned Jackson on her faith and religious beliefs during the hearing Tuesday.

Jackson, who seemed to hesitate for a moment, told Graham she is nondenominational after he asked her directly what faith she followed.

"Personally my faith is very important, but as you know there is no religious test in the Constitution under Article 6, and it's very important to set aside one's personal views about things in the role of a judge," she said.

Graham was undeterred.

"How faithful are you in terms of a religion? Do you attend church regularly?"

Jackson replied: "I'm reluctant to talk about faith in this way because I want to be mindful of the need of public to have confidence in my ability to separate out my personal views."

623d ago / 2:47 PM UTC

Jackson pledges to build consensus in tough cases

Leahy asked Jackson about her ability to build consensus on “issues that break along ideological lines.”

Jackson responded by saying that it was “very important to try to find common ground” with her colleagues on all issues, that she admired Breyer’s ability to do so, and that she had gained valuable experience doing so during her time on the U.S. Sentencing Commission.

623d ago / 2:36 PM UTC

Jackson addresses GOP attacks that she's "soft on crime"

Anticipating Republican questions, Leahy asked Jackson to respond to accusations she's "soft on crime" or even "anti-law enforcement" because she worked as a public defender.

"As someone who has had family members on patrol and in the line of fire, I care deeply about public safety," said Jackson, who noted that her brother patrolled the streets of Baltimore and had two uncles in law enforcement. "I know what it's like to have loved ones who go off to protect and to serve and the fear of not knowing whether or not they're going to come home again, because of crime in the community."

She continued, "Crime and the effects on the community and the need for law enforcement. Those are not abstract concepts or political slogans to me."

At the same time, Jackson said she cares deeply about the Constitution and ensuring that people who are accused of committing crimes are treated fairly.

"In order for us to have a functioning society, we have to have people being held accountable for committing crimes, but we have to do so fairly under our Constitution, as a judge who has to decide how to handle these cases," she said. "I know it's important to have arguments from both sides, to have competent counsel, and it doesn't mean that lawyers condone the behavior of their clients."

623d ago / 2:25 PM UTC

Jackson defends injunction that halted Trump rule to expand deportations

Grassley asked Jackson about a pivotal ruling she handed down regarding illegal immigration.

In 2019, Jackson temporarily blocked the Trump administration’s plan to expand fast-track deportations of undocumented people. The Trump administration plan sought to expand the rule to apply to people who had been in the U.S. for up to two years. Previously, the rule allowed fast-track deportations only for people within 100 miles of the border and who had been in the country for up to 14 days.

Jackson, as a federal judge, issued an injunction temporarily blocking the new rule. Grassley, in his questioning, said the new rule had been explicitly deemed by Congress to be “unreviewable.”

Jackson defended her decision to issue that injunction, citing precedents in both immigration and administrative law to explain that her ruling was valid on procedural grounds.

“Importantly, the challenge was not about the actual determination, the challenge was about the procedures the agency understood to make that determination,” Jackson explained.

“Even when Congress gives great discretion” to a government agency like the Department of Homeland Security, she added, “procedural requirements may still apply."

“There are also legally established consequences if an agency does not adhere to these procedural requirements when it determines the policies that it imposes,” Jackson said. 

623d ago / 2:16 PM UTC

Jackson explains her position on race, diversity

Jackson told Grassley she supports the goal of diversity in schools and society, after describing her parents' experience attending segregated schools.

Grassley, in his questioning, pointed to a quote from Martin Luther King Jr. that Jackson had used in an earlier speech.

Jackson quoted King as saying “the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners would be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood.”

"In that speech I talked about my background, my upbringing, the fact my parents when they were growing up in Miami, Florida, attended and had to attend racially segregated schools because by law when they were young, white children and black children were not allowed to go to school together," said Jackson.

Jackson said she had attended a school that was "completely different."

"I went to a diverse, public junior high school, high school, elementary school," she said. "The fact we had come that far was to me a testament to the hope and promise of this country. The greatness of America that in one generation, we could go from racially segregated schools in Florida to me as the first Floridian to ever be nominated to the Supreme Court of the United States."

623d ago / 2:15 PM UTC
623d ago / 2:07 PM UTC

Jackson says ability to bear arms a fundamental right

Jackson will look to court precedent when looking to define fundamental rights, she said in response to a question from Sen. Chuck Grassley.

In particular, Grassley asked about free speech protections for protesters of differing political parties, as well as the right to bear arms outlined in the Second Amendment.

"The Supreme Court has established that the right to keep and bear arms is a fundamental right," Jackson said.

623d ago / 1:59 PM UTC

Jackson defends her time on sentencing commission

Jackson described her time on the U.S. Sentencing Commission in response to a question from Durbin as it pertains to finding consensus on an issue such as prison sentences for cocaine.

"At the time I was on the commission we had a range of people," said Jackson. " Judges from different backgrounds who had different views about the criminal justice system, but we had a directive from Congress in so far as Congress had changed the penalties as you mention as it relates to crack cocaine."

"We reached unanimous agreement the change in the guidelines necessitated by the change in the statute should apply retroactively to people who had been convicted and sentenced under the prior regime and then congress followed shortly thereafter by making it a statutory change to apply changes retroactively," she continued.

623d ago / 1:52 PM UTC

Grassley asks Jackson about cameras in the Supreme Court

Grassley, a proponent of allowing cameras in Supreme Court proceedings and having them televised, asked Jackson for her view on this scenario.

"I would want to discuss with the other justices their views and understand all of the various potential issues related to cameras in the courtroom before I took a position on it," she said.

Since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, the audio of Supreme Court proceedings has been livestreamed.

623d ago / 1:48 PM UTC

Jackson details the backstory of how she represented detainees at Guantanamo Bay

Durbin asked Jackson about how she wound up representing people who were detained at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp in the wake of the 9/11 attacks.

Jackson said she was working in the federal public defender's office after the Supreme Court decided that people who were detained at the detention camp by the president could seek a review of why they were imprisoned there.

"Those cases started coming in and federal public defenders don't get to pick their clients. They have to represent whoever comes in and it's a service," Jackson said.

Jackson said she represented some of those detainees and worked on habeas petitions for them. She said her petitions were "virtually identical because we had very little information."

Jackson said at the very beginning, "most of the factual information was classified," so she said "defense counsel were appointed to represent these defendant [and] we had no facts."

623d ago / 1:27 PM UTC

Durbin anticipates Republican child pornography questions

Durbin questioned Jackson about her role in cases dealing with child pornography after Republican senators on Monday accused her of having a pattern of giving child porn offenders lighter sentences.

"As a mother and a judge who has had to deal with these cases I was thinking that nothing could be further from the truth," said Jackson.

"These are some of the most difficult cases a judge has to deal with because we are talking about pictures of sex abuse of children," she continued.

623d ago / 1:25 PM UTC

Jackson declines to weigh in on expanding the Supreme Court

Anticipating a line of questioning from Republicans, Durbin asked Jackson about changing the current size of the Supreme Court, which currently has nine justices.

Jackson said she agreed with Justice Amy Coney Barrett's response during her October 2020 confirmation hearings in that she couldn't share her personal views on the matter.

"Again, my North Star is the consideration of the proper role of a judge in our constitutional scheme and in my view, judges should not be speaking to political issues, and certainly not a nominee for a position on the Supreme Court," Jackson said.

Durbin said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is the only living senator "who has effectively changed the size of the Supreme Court." The Democratic committee chairman said McConnell "shrank the court to eight seats for nearly a year in 2016 when he blocked President Obama’s nomination of Merrick Garland."

623d ago / 1:10 PM UTC

Hearing begins

The hearing began several minutes after 9 a.m. ET. Judiciary chair Dick Durbin said there will be several breaks throughout the day, including one for lunch and one for dinner.

623d ago / 12:55 PM UTC
623d ago / 12:45 PM UTC

Jackson arrives at Senate hearing

Jackson arrived at 8:28 a.m. ET ahead of her expected long day testifying before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Judge Ketanji Brown Jackson arrives to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on her nomination to be an Associate Justice on the US Supreme Court in the Hart Senate Office Building on Capitol Hill, on March 22, 2022.Mandel Ngan / AFP - Getty Images
623d ago / 12:20 PM UTC

GOP attacks on Jackson from first day foreshadow strategy

Republican senators on the Senate Judiciary Committee accused Jackson of being soft on crime in their opening statements Monday.

“We are witnessing a breakdown of society,” Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., said in his opening statement. “There are many Americans who no longer feel safe today, parents are scared to walk down the streets that used to be free from crime.” 

Sen. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., meanwhile, suggested that Jackson has a hidden agenda on crime policy and racial issues. 

And as he had promised, Sen. Josh Hawley, R-Mo., alleged that Jackson was in favor of lenient sentences for child porn offenders. The White House adamantly rejected those claims last week, saying Hawley had taken the nominee's previous remarks out of context.

These criticisms are bound to come up in senators' rounds of questioning Tuesday while Jackson is in the hot seat.

623d ago / 12:04 PM UTC

Crime victims' advocacy groups sign letter backing Jackson

Nine groups that represent millions of domestic violence and sexual assault victims penned a letter to the top senators on the Judiciary Committee ahead of Jackson's Supreme Court confirmation hearings, endorsing her and urging the senators to confirm her.

In the letter obtained first by NBC News, the groups, which include the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, call Jackson’s time as a public defender a sign of her "commitment to the most basic principles underlying our country’s judicial system — that everyone is entitled to equal justice no matter their resources." Signatories include Futures Without Violence, the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, Ujima Inc., The National Center on Violence Against Women in the Black Community, and YWCA USA.

The letter comes as Republicans have sought to paint Jackson as “soft on crime."

623d ago / 12:04 PM UTC

Day 2 starts at 9 a.m. ET, senators allotted 30 minutes each

The second day of Jackson's confirmation hearing will likely be the most consequential as the judge faces questions about her record and approach to interpreting the law.

The hearing is expected to last about 12 hours.

623d ago / 12:04 PM UTC

Key takeaways from Day 1 of Jackson's hearings

The first day of the Senate hearings for Supreme Court nominee Ketanji Brown Jackson offered a sharp contrast between the two parties: Democrats focused on the nominee and many Republicans vented about past judicial fights and railed against “dark money.”

“I have been a judge for nearly a decade now, and I take that responsibility and my duty to be independent very seriously. I decide cases from a neutral posture,” Jackson said. “I evaluate the facts, and I interpret and apply the law to the facts of the case before me, without fear or favor, consistent with my judicial oath.”

Read more highlights here.