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Date: January 9, 2015
Guest: Steve Clemons, Nicholas Kristof, Leo Hindery, Rosa DeLauro

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: You`ve been watching a press briefing from the
French Prosecutor Francois Molins in Paris giving an update on the
investigation which is unfolding in Paris France. We start tonight with
what has been a very tense day in France. But there is other news that is
just in. CNBC now twitted, Mitt Romney told GOP donors at an event here in
Manhattan today that he is considering running for President in 2016.

If Mitt does run he`ll have to answer to these numbers. The economy added
252,000 jobs in December bringing the unemployment rate down to 5.6
percent. December marked 58 months of private sector job growth with over
11 million jobs created. 2014 was the best year for job creation since
1999. Now we`re going to bring you a lot more details on the booming
economy later on in the show. But first we want to turn our attention back
to the situation in France.

Earlier today two separate hostage situations were ended by French
authorities. The Charlie Hebdo shooting suspects took one hostage in an
industrial town north of Paris. French authorities raided the printing
factory the Kouachi brothers had taken over around 11:00 A.M. Eastern Time
this morning. Both suspects were killed by police and the hostage who had
been taken was safely rescued.

In a simultaneous action, two other suspects with ties to the Kouachi
brothers who had taken several other hostages in a Paris grocery store was
also raided was authorities. Amedy Coulibaly and Hayat Boumeddiene
reportedly said if police raided the Kouachi brothers they would start
killing hostages if they had, both were suspects in a killing of a
policewoman that had taken place previously on Thursday. Police raided the
grocery store killing Coulibaly also Boumeddiene is still on the loose, she

Government officials say four hostages were killed during the standoff.
Traveling in Tennessee today, President Obama delivered some brief remarks
on the events in France.


immediate threat is now resolved, thanks to the courage and professionalism
of the French personnel on the ground. But the French government continues
to face the threat of terrorism and has to remain vigilant. The situation
is fluid. President Hollande has made it clear that they`re going to do
whatever is necessary to protect their people.

And I think it`s important for us to understand, France is our oldest ally.
I want the people of France to know that the United States stands with you
today, stands with you tomorrow, our thoughts and prayers are with the
families who have been directly impacted. We grieve with you. We fight
alongside you to uphold our values, the values that we share, universal
values that bind us together as friends and as allies.


SCHULTZ: French President Francois Hollande addressed the country today
and said that the people of France will unite in fighting terror. He urged
the French people to stand against racism and anti-Semitism. The events in
France are still unfolding. We`ll bring you the latest details as we get
them. But first, let`s go live to NBC News Correspondent Ron Allen on the
scene in Paris.

Ron, yeoman`s work today, I know it`s been a really long day and eventful
day. What is the situation and the latest right now in Paris?

RON ALLEN, NBC NEWS - PARIS, FRANCE: Well Ed, it`s been an incredible day.
A day unlike any here in a very, very long time and hopefully a day unlike
any that will ever happen again, such violence on the streets of this city,
of this beautiful city. We`re in the eastern Paris right on the edge of
the area where the supermarket hostage taking and seize happened.

You can see behind me that there are still -- there`s still a line of
police who have blocked off the road. The supermarket is down in that
direction. We have not been able to get up close to it to see exactly
what`s going on there.

One of the big unanswered questions throughout the day was the number of
hostages who were taken in that Jewish part of town. The president of the
country called this a violent anti-Semitic act that was another chapter in
this unfolding series of dramatic and violent episodes during the past
couple of days. At one point, we believe that there may have been as many
of the dozen hostages and we believed that there were four people killed

But we have not heard any information about who they were or how the others
escaped or how they`re doing. There may have been others who were wounded.

You know right, this morning the day started out rather quietly because
there had not been many significant developments overnight but suddenly, a
car jacking, a gun fight, a pursuit and the Kouachi brothers taking
hostages in the northern part of Paris, very close to Charles de Gaulle
International Airport in fact. A couple of runways closed down for a time.

While that drama unfolded -- then as you said in your lead-in, simultaneous
assault by police after these hostage situations dragged on for a period of
hours. And now, it is still unresolved. There are still unanswered
questions about the female accomplice Hayat Boumeddiene, a woman whose name
we had not heard of until a few hours ago.

We don`t know what her role was in all of this. We believed she was an
accomplice to the gunman who took the grocery store hostage (inaudible).
We believe they had a relationship at some point but we don`t know exactly
what or whereabouts are. And, the last we heard that she was along with
the others, considered armed and extremely dangerous.

We`ve heard from French authorities tonight but there are still some
unanswered questions as we`re going forward here, Ed.

SCHULTZ: OK, Ron Allen reporting tonight from Paris, France. Thank you

Let`s bring in Clint Van Zandt, former FBI profiler and MSNBC contributor.
Clint, I`m curious about the escape of this female suspect. Your take on

CLINT VAN ZANDT, FORMER FBI PROFILER: Yeah. I find it hard to believe she
escaped Ed. Look, you know, a hostage rescue 101 says that when you get
hostages out, you treat everyone from like they`re a bad guy to include
many times handcuffing them until you find out who they are, make sure they
don`t have a bomb, make sure they don`t have a weapon, make sure they`re
not a bad guy trying to escape.

And GIGN has been doing this for years and they`re good at it. So, I --
you know, there`s been so many misnomers in this thing today. I find it
hard to believe that she was actually in there for this whole situation and
managed to dance her way out when there were bullets flying in every place.

SCHULTZ: What do you think happened to the hostages? Were they possibly
caught in a crossfire or were they executed by the suspects? What do you
think? What could have happened there?

ZANDT: If you look at the videos Ed of -- when the shootout takes place,
you see about 6 or 8 or 10 GIGN or police officers with handguns and Ed,
they`re throwing a lot around. They`ve got 15, 20 rounds in each weapon
and there`s a lot of rounds going in. So, they could be bouncing,
ricocheting. And realize, they fired for -- it seems like about 10 seconds
or more.

So, you`ve got about six or eight guys probably shooting almost a hundred
rounds. And then you see the bad guy, the terrorist charges them. In
essence if he`s been hit, he`s still running like a bull heading for that
front door before they finally put him down.

So, I guarantee you there were a lot of bullets ricocheting around inside
of there that the authorities are going to have to resolve.

SCHULTZ: And Clint what about the simultaneous action or the coordinated
action at two different locations by authorities to end this?

ZANDT: Well, what I`ve been told Ed, at the first situation is that
supposedly the hostage was somebody who was hiding in the building and
perhaps the two brothers didn`t even know he was there. The two brothers
chose a moment to come out of that building out the authorities and what
makes it unique is Ed, you heard gunfire first and then you heard flash
bangs, and then you hear more gunfire. Normally, if you`re going to do an
assault you throw the flash bangs in first and then you follow with the

So, it looks like the two brothers charge out the police see him, engaged
him with gunfire and put him down and then knowing that the terrorist at
the other location has already said either release them or I`m going to
start killing hostages. Somebody made the right decision that says let`s
get in there and take him down before he finds out and start slaughtering
everybody inside.

SCHULTZ: Clint Van Zandt, I appreciate your time an expertise tonight on
the Ed Show. I appreciate your time sir. Thank you.

Let me bring in Steve Clemons MSNBC contributor and editor-at-large for The
Atlantic. Michael Sheehan and also joins us tonight NBC News terrorism
analyst. Mr. Sheehan and you first, it`s now being reported by the
Associated Press that there is an al-Qaeda connection. A.P. is reporting
al-Qaeda in Yemen says they directed the attack. Your reaction to that.

connection. Actually the -- one of the gunman, the original of the
brothers admitted at the newspaper facility that he was a part of AQAP, the
al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. Now the extent of his connection is

What we do know that AQAP`s major media outlet Inspire Magazine
specifically targeted Charlie the magazine and the editor. And this guy
clearly was taking direction from al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula either
directly or from that magazine to conduct this very effective attack.

SCHULTZ: And based on that what you just said, can we expect more of this?
Is this going to be the new formula of terrorism that we`re going to be
facing, the new genre so to speak?

SHEEHAN: Well, that remains of this scene Ed. You know, the people
predicting this type of things since September 12, 2001 that al-Qaeda would
be able to conduct these attacks in the U.S. and the West. And the fact of
the matter is there had been few and far between, thank God.

Now, it remains we see if al-Qaeda has increased its game and whether they
can be able to inspire or activate other cells in Europe or the U.S., that
remains to be seen. It`s not that easy for them to do this type of
operation. If it was easy we`d see a lot more of them.

SCHULTZ: Steve Clemons, the simultaneous action that took place today by
French authorities, isn`t that somewhat of a message that they`re going to
end these things when they come up, that they will take action. They`re
not going to put up with it nor they`re going to -- the tail is not going
to wag the dog here. I kind of thought there was a real statement being
made here on how they`re going to deal with this stuff. Your thoughts.

by the size and scale of what France was able to mobilized, really
literally overnight with recorded more than 80,000 military, police and the
equipment of National Guard throughout France, animated and deployed to
deal with this threat, to track these guys. So, it was an enormous
definitive I think and now conclusive seemingly conclusive response.

SCHULTZ: Do these events and what has unfolded in the last 48 hours Steve,
change things for counter-terrorism for the French in the way they`re going
to operate?

CLEMONS: Well, that`s tough question. I mean I think to go back to
(inaudible) comic, you know, the AQAP, you know, we now know that the older
brother Said met with Anwar al-Awlaki, was in -- meeting with al-Qaeda of
the Arabian Peninsula in Yemen. And so this is a -- will be counted by
AQAP as a successful out of area deployment of what they`re tying to do and
exactly what the U.S. and other western governments have been concerned
about in terms of the animation of terror within our societies from places

And that`s why Yemen has attracted so much attention. So we`ve been on
alert, these guys have been under surveillance. I think the broader
question is, do you apply more surveillance and are there things that we
need to do within our societies of people who have flirted with these
horrible terror organizations abroad and somehow find a way to treat them
differently? And, that debate hasn`t happened.

My guess is that French politics changes today, and that things get very
tense. You have, you know, you often talk about economics in United
States, the economic scene in France isn`t exactly bright. And in that
you`ve got a lot of tension and you`re going to have racial and ethnic
tension in France that begins to unfold in new ways when we move forward
from this day.

SCHULTZ: And Mr. Sheehan, does this mean that the United States is going
to be taking some countermeasures in the aftermath of this, maybe getting
into America would be a little tougher for those coming from that part of
the world?

SHEEHAN: I think so Ed. It`s just natural after one of these events. The
American government will ratchet up its efforts. And to prevent these
types of attacks there`s basically three layers of action. One would be in
Yemen itself pounding al-Qaeda, assisting the government of Yemen of
squeeze al-Qaeda in Yemen. Then at our borders with the watch list at our
airports and make sure these people don`t get in and out.

And then at home with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces to look at the
different people that they have under surveillance that have identified bad
actors and then refocus on those people to make sure they are not activated
and sort of an operational cell. So each of these layers will be
reactivated and reenhanced by the U.S. government to try to prevent this
type of action in United States.

SCHULTZ: And finally Sheehan, do you think we`re well-equipped and well-
resourced to counter this and do what has to be done?

SHEEHAN: Yes indeed we are Ed. And since 9/11, think about it, after 9/11
many pundits get on the airwaves and predicate that al-Qaeda was going to
be able to -- this type of attack repeatedly and often in United States.
The fact to the matter is they have not been able to do so.


SHEEHAN: And that`s been a result of a lot of counter-terrorism policies
that have worked and some inherent weaknesses within al-Qaeda itself. Now,
it remains to be seen whether this is going to give them a boast to be able
to conduct more operations in the west, we`ll see. But quite frankly over
the last 13 years we`ve had a lot of success against them at home.

SCHULTZ: Steve Clemons, Michael Sheehan, great to have you gentlemen with
us tonight. Thank you so much.

Coming up, Congressman John Garamendi joins me to discuss Congressional
reaction to today`s events in France.

And later, the U.S. economy is on a roll, we have a warning about a huge
roadblock ahead though. Stay with us we`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. The United States government is
sending a message out to Americans who are overseas. The United States
Embassy sends out a message, a new security message to American citizens in
Paris. And it`s telling the American people to be vigilant.

The Department of Homeland Security said it also is closely monitoring
unfolding -- the unfolding situations. Congressman John Garamendi of
California joins me tonight. Congressman, thanks for you time.


SCHULTZ: What can we do be proactive, are you comfortable with what we`ve
done so far? Is there anything we should be doing that we`re not doing?
You assess it for us sir.

GARAMENDI: Well I think there`s a couple of things. Obviously as your
previous guest just said, United States has been vigilant and we`ve avoided
for 13 years these kinds of attacks. So we should continue doing what
we`re doing, monitoring through these characters who are on our watch list,
presumably they would not have been allowed to get into the United States.
So we need to continue that.

We also need to be very, very cognizant that in our own country, we have a
significant Muslim community and they can be extraordinary helpful. And we
ought to welcome that. We ought to reach out and embrace that community
and ask them for assistance. They have no more interest, as shown even in
Paris with the Grand Mosque and -- even (ph) they are speaking out very,
very strongly against this kind of terrorism.

So here in the United States, that community is extremely important in
identifying those who are radical within their community and might be
troublesome. So we need to embrace that community.

SCHULTZ: How would we do that Congressman?

GARAMENDI: Well, we do it by understanding that they`re very much a part
of the American fabric, that this is part of America. We`re a very, very
diverse society here, every conceivable religion in the United States and
perhaps some we don`t even know about are here. They`re part of us they`re
not apart from us. So we need to reach out and make sure we don`t
discriminate, make sure that we don`t in anyway alienate that community but
rather embrace it.

Part of it is jobs and economic activity but it`s also making sure that our
police agencies, our information agencies are working with those
communities in a cooperative way.

SCHULTZ: Congressman if al-Qaeda in Yemen which is saying that they were
coordinating this attack in what has happened in the last 48 hours in
France, how are we to suspect that this isn`t going to be attempted in the
United States? And relating that to who comes in and how goes out of

GARAMENDI: Yes. Well, we should expect it. If in fact they`re not just
boasting without any foundation, we should nevertheless expect that they
would try to do this. So that any individual who has traveled through that
area should be on a watch list. And questioned when they come back to the
United States. And watch carefully, because it`s quite possible that they
have been in contact with that group in Yemen.

And we also have to be aware of those that are fighting or involved in the
ISIL situation in Iraq and Syria. So those are the folks we would
identify, we would watch. We would make sure that we are aware of where
they are and if they are suspect or doing anything that would lead to
suspicion, then they need to be brought in and questioned.

SCHULTZ: And Congressman, one of the brothers was convicted of terrorism
in 2008 and sentenced to 18 months in jail, he was on a no fly list, he was
on a terrorist watch list. Does this throw new life on Guantanamo Bay?
Throw new intensity on that story? There`s a 127 prisoners that are left
down from 680 in 2003.

Is it a risk to continue on the way we`re...


GARAMENDI: Well, certainly there are those that -- that`s true but we can
-- I am certain keeping a very close eye on those that have been released.
Many of them have been released into the custody of other countries. And I
am certain that there are, careful monitoring by those countries.

So, we should always be aware, we should be careful and always cognizant at
the risks that are out there. And the individuals that have in the past
and might in the future pose a risk to the United States and our allies.

SCHULTZ: Congressman John Garamendi, I appreciate your time tonight sir.
Thanks so much.

GARAMENDI: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: Stay here on the Ed Show. We`ll be right back with a lot more.


SCHULTZ: Coming up on the Ed Show, the economy is on a roll, we`ll tell
you what today`s record-breaking numbers mean later in the show. Keep it
here. We`ll be right back.

JOSH LIPTON, CNBC MARKET WRAP: I`m Josh Lipton with your CNBC market wrap.

Stocks pull back after two days of gains. The Dow sliding 170 points, the
S&P slips 17, the NASDAQ sheds 32.

The economy added 252,000 jobs last month with November hiring revise
higher, and the unemployment rate falling to 5.6 percent. However wages
fell and more Americans dropped out of the work force muting reaction to
the report.

And a tough day for Bed Bath & Beyond which lost more than 6 percent,
that`s after sales missed estimates.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business worldwide.



UNINDENTIFIED MALE: There you hear it.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, those are flash bangs.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: This is an extraordinary situation.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: The two brothers at the industrial park are dead.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: That they were neutralized is the word that French
authorities are using.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: A gunman linked to these two guys, the two brothers
have gone into a Jewish supermarket and taken hostages.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Simultaneous hostage situations.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: There are reports that there could be another suspect.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: It`s so unpredictable.

OBAMA: The French government continues to face the threat of terrorism.

UNINDENTIFIED MALE: Many, many more questions out there to be answered.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show, the world is watching Paris. Three
suspects behind the terror attack in France are dead but there`s fear the
gruesome acts could fuel intolerance. France was already fighting the
developing Islamophobia in the country, the far-right National Front party
fan fears. The president of the country Mr. Hollande says now is the time
of unity.


UNINDENTIFIED FEMALE: We should not go the easy way, we should not
escalate. The terrorists that committed those acts, those fanatics have
nothing to do with the Islam. So we need to mobilize, we need to be
capable to respond to those attacks by force when we are obliged to use
force. But also we should respond with solidarity.


SCHULTZ: World leaders are joining France to stand firm against these
terrorist attacks and the aftermath of these horrific events. What
societal impact will these events have on this country? New York Times`
columnist Nicholas Kristof has written about that and also religious

Nicholas, good to have you with us tonight.


SCHULTZ: It`s easy to go overboard emotionally isn`t it? What is France -
- first, what is France is dealing with right now on this?

KRISTOF: France frankly has the biggest problem perhaps of anybody. It
has the largest Muslim population in Europe. And one, it is among the
least assimilated. There are problems with assimilation in other countries
but in France in particular, I think there`s a sense of hopelessness, of

And that`s been true of -- I mean not just of Arab minorities but -- I mean
frankly, my dad was East European refugee who went to France after World
War II. And after two years decided, no he didn`t want to stay in France
because he felt that an East European or his children wouldn`t really have
a future in that country. And so he came to America and I think that`s
more true of the minorities.

SCHULTZ: Religious profiling, are we susceptible to that at this point?

KRISTOF: Well, we of course dealt with that after 9/11 and we certainly
engaged into some degree. We did a much better job after 9/11 than we did
during World War II with, you know, with what we did to Japanese-Americans.

So, overtime we certainly improved our game to some degree although we
were, I mean there were obviously problems to this country. I though
frankly Australia provided a magnificent example, just last month after the
hostage taking in that cafe, you know, I thought that the way Australians
united, in the one hand condemned. It`s absolutely unacceptable than
barbaric taking of hostages and at the same time stood with this, I`ll ride
with you social media campaign. Do you remember that?


KRISTOF: People were offering to escort women in Hijabs so that they
wouldn`t be intimidated or fear of backlash.

SCHULTZ: If the United States is to take more severe steps in security,
how can that not to be interpreted as some kind of targeting? There will
be many Americans I believe who will interpret that as some kind of
profiling. What about that?

KRISTOF: You know, there`s no silver bullet here to fight terrorism and
there will be terrorist attacks. But in a sense there is silver buckshot.
There are a lot of things you can do. There is more intelligence. There`s
hardening targets, there`s trying to ensure that if people do engage in act
of terrorism that`s shooting up with AK-47s rather than using chemical
weapons, biological weapons.

And, one can work with the communities rather than exclude them and target
them. And, you know, in France for example, 1 percent according to polls,
1 percent of French Muslims support, Osama bin Laden view. Meanwhile, more
than a third are deeply worried about the rise of extremism within Islam.

You have to work with that group that is concerned about it. It is your
potential of ally to gain intelligence on and to marginalize, to change
views of the Jihadist.

SCHULTZ: Well what do you -- what`s your anticipation of the reaction of
the far-right in France?

KRISTOF: They`ve been beneficiaries and I think that`s exactly what al-
Qaeda wanted. One of the strategies of al-Qaeda in a number of places and
it`s -- I mean Syria is one example that work very well, you marginalized,
you polarized societies and you force, you know, lead to the rise of this
backlash of the right and Marine Le Pen the leader of the nationalist right
certainly has been strengthened there.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Garamendi just told us a moment ago, he thinks we
need to utilize the Muslim community in this country. What`s your reaction
to that? I guess I hadn`t heard to put that way.

KRISTOF: Oh absolutely. I mean they are our allies. They, you know, I
heard some -- so many Muslims Wednesday who were saying that, you know,
nobody, no cartoonist has ever defamed the Prophet Muhammad as much as
these guys who invade Charlie Hebdo. And they are worried about the rise -
- they worried about their children.

They worry about the way they`re perceived and, you know, they`re often the
victims of this. So we need to work with them in an inclusive way or we
have no hope of gaining intelligence and stopping this.

SCHULTZ: Nicholas Kristof of New York Times, great to have you with us

KRISTOF: Good to be with you.

SCHULTZ: Thank you so much.

Coming up, the good news, companies are hiring at a record pace. The bad
news, the U.S. could be about to make a huge mistake that could cause the
workers big time.

We`ll bring you both sides of the story ahead. Stay with us. We`ll be
right back.


SCHULTZ: Still to come on the Ed Show, more details on today`s booming
economic news. And Mitt Romney says he`s thinking about 2016. We`ll have
the story. We`ll be right back.



sluggish growth, we`re finally starting to see some economic data that can
provide a glimmer of hope. The uptick appears to coincide with the biggest
political change of the Obama Administration`s long tenure in Washington.
The expectation of the a new Republican Congress.


SCHULTZ: OK. Welcome back to the Ed Show tonight. Finally, this is a
story for the folks who take a shower after work. You got to take a shower
after that comment for sure.

Mitch McConnell hasn`t even logged a week as senate majority leader and
he`s already taking credit for a rebounding economy. It`s no surprise
giving the latest numbers.


REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: Where are the jobs?

SCHULTZ: Here are the jobs. The U.S. economy added 252,000 more jobs in

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Big pops across the board of excellence (ph), this is
services plus 52,000. Construction up 48,000.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These are well-paying jobs that are good middle jobs.

SCHULTZ: We`ve seen a record 58months on private sector job growth. A
total of 11.2 million jobs added to the economy.

OBAMA: That`s the longest stretch in our history of private sector
uninterrupted job creation.

SCHULTZ: The unemployment rate ticked down to 5.6 percent, the lowest
since June of 2008.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So we haven`t seen this unemployment rate declined
since 1983-1984.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the unemployment rate coming down of 5.6 percent,
you`re getting to full employment.

SCHULTZ: We`ve added almost 3 million jobs in the year 2014, the strongest
job growth since 1999.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The unfinished business is to make sure that the
prosperity that we see across America is shared prosperity.

SCHULTZ: In a surging stock market and low gas prices spurred greater
economic growth.

OBAMA: America`s resurgence is real. Don`t let anybody tell you


SCHULTZ: I`m joined tonight by Leo Hindery, Jr. Managing Partner at
InterMedia Partners and former President and CEO of AT&T Broadband, also
with us tonight Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro of Connecticut, great to have
both of you with us.


SCHULTZ: Mr. Hindery, you first. Are these numbers real?

LEO HINDREY, INTERMEDIA PARTNERS: Well I think they`re real in the
aggregate. As Congresswoman DeLauro would tell you Ed, there`s a dark side
to those numbers. Of that 252,000 only 17,000 were in manufacturing. Of
all of the jobs created in 2014 which is laudable, more than 90 percent
were in services.

Nobody has done a better job of protecting the manufacturing base of this
country than the Congresswoman and Congressman John Garamendi who was on
your show a bit earlier.

What we`ve done is we`ve forgotten quality. And we have forgotten wage
growth along with job growth. 90 percent of American workers Ed, have had
no real wage increase since 1967. And as the Congresswoman can articulate
better than I, we`re looking at some trade agreements down the road here if
they push them forward it will further eviscerate the manufacturing base of
the country.

SCHULTZ: Rosa what about that? On the verge of fast track and possibly
TPP, would this unravel a lot of the numbers we just talked about?

DISTRICT: Well first of all, you know, I think we applaud the numbers, the
252,000. Its, you know, we`re excited about that. But I think that Leo is
absolutely right. The dark side of that is that wages are stagnant. And
if you take a look at what has been the most serious economic challenge
that we face in this country today, and that is people are not being paid
enough on their jobs.

Wages are stagnant and there are people who are living on the edge. So,
that if you then move forward with a trade agreement as has been proposed
by the administration, that you will see what has happened in the past with
trade agreements, is that the serious loss of those manufacturing jobs.

SCHULTZ: The President...

DELAURO: My State Connecticut has lost manufacturing jobs as a result
NAFTA. And when you think about what will happen with these 12-nation
trade agreement.

SCHULTZ: Yeah, Congresswoman the President wants a jobs package. Will the
Republicans try to get good while the going is good and get in this game?

DELAURO: Well, you know, look, the people who are either out of work or
have taken work that pays only two-thirds of what they were making before,
that`s absolutely true in manufacturing. You know, that`s not just a
Democratic issue. This is something that`s happening all over the country.

It would be my hope that they would understand that it is important. And
they had not put forward a jobs bill. They continue to say that but it is
not the case. And that`s what we need to do. But it`s increased wages
that is critically important today.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Leo what would be a good jobs package at this point?

HINDERY: Well, the most immediate jobs package would be back off with
these trade agreements and really understand what they might do to
employment in America which is negative. But where the Congresswoman is so
articulate is, an infrastructure bill would satisfy both sides of the isle.
It would resuscitate the manufacturing sector like no other single action
and would go a long, long way to pushing these rates and wages back to the
levels that are acceptable.

SCHULTZ: Do you think -- go ahead Congresswoman, your thoughts on that.

DELAURO: Well I was just going to say -- and Leo, thank you for mentioning
infrastructure. I introduced the national infrastructure bank back in, you
know, 1994, 1995. And this would seem to be a place where we could come
together as Democrats and Republicans.


DELAURO: And, look what the Europeans do and what -- and looking at how
infrastructure can play -- and these jobs can`t be outsourced.

SCHULTZ: Well, when you talk about the economy the first thing the
Republicans jump at is the corporate tax rate. Would there be a
negotiating point for the Democrats to lower the corporate tax rate to get
a jobs package, Rosa?

DELAURO: Well, I think, look people are willing to talk about this but
that`s not where the tax -- tax reform has to occur at a variety of levels.
It`s not all one-sided which is I believe where my colleagues on the other
side of the isle want to see this.

SCHULTZ: OK. Mr. Hindery, your thoughts on the news that has been
reported by CNBC now. They twitted out that Mitt Romney...


SCHULTZ: ... met some with some donors today in Manhattan and says that
he`s entertaining an idea of 2016, a run to the White House, your thoughts
on that.

HINDERY: I think Mitt would be a very credible candidate. I think he
looks at this administration, wishes it had been his, in some senses,
believes he could have campaigned differently to make it his. I think in
Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, you will have two very, very credible or
articulate Republicans.

But I think the Congresswoman is right, this one is going to be decided
purely at the middle class level. Who speaks to them best about wage
improvement, about job improvement, we have eight plus million woman and
men today Ed, who are part-time out of necessity. To the Congresswoman`s
point can`t find full-time employment. I look forward to 2016.

If we rehash the past I don`t look forward to it. If we really get to the
middle class I`d very much look forward to it.


DELAURO: And in terms of that corporate tax reform, where are the
opportunities for the middle class?

SCHULTZ: OK. Leo Hindery and Congresswoman Rosa DeLauro I appreciate your
time tonight. Thanks so much.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

"PoliticsNation" with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening Rev.


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