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Vice President Joe Biden talks to reporters just off the Senate floor after trying to bridge the gap between Republicans and Democrats in Congress on how to solve America's debt crisis, at the Capitol in Washington on Tuesday.
updated 5/25/2011 8:44:38 AM ET 2011-05-25T12:44:38

Vice President Joe Biden said Tuesday that new revenues need to be part of any agreement with Republicans on legislation to raise the limit on how much money the government can borrow to continue to meet its obligations.

The vice president also said talks were on pace to produce deficit cuts exceeding $1 trillion and that the talks would extend to procedural mechanisms known as "triggers" to force further automatic deficit cuts to bring the total to $4 trillion if lawmakers were unable to come up with the savings in future legislation.

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"I've made it clear today ... revenues have to be in the deal," Biden told reporters after meeting with GOP negotiators.

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"Tax increases are not going to be something that we'll support," said Majority Leader Eric Cantor of Virginia, who's representing House Republicans in the talks. But he concurred that "progress is being made."

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Biden wasn't specific about what new revenues the White House wants as part of any agreement, and he didn't directly call for any tax increases.

For instance, Obama's budget includes $85 billion in user fees over the next decade. Such fees are charged to those most directly using government services and include $28 billion expected from auctioning off part of the nation's airwaves and $23 billion from more than doubling the airport security ticket tax from a maximum of $5 per one-way trip to $11 by 2014.

Negotiators already have discussed possible increases in pension costs for federal employees, which would also reduce the deficit.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., has said he's confident that a rollback of tax breaks for big oil companies will be part of any final pact.

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'We're making progress'
Biden is the lead negotiator for the administration on legislation combining the debt limit increase with spending cuts demanded by Republicans.

"We're making progress," Biden said. "Our Republican friends and the Democrats think we're making progress. We're confident that if we keep on this pace we can get to relatively large numbers."

"I am confident that we can achieve over a trillion dollars in savings at this point, and hopefully more," Cantor said.

Tuesday's meeting reportedly addressed federal health care spending. Earlier sessions featured discussions of reductions in student loan subsidies, farm payments and support for federal workers' pensions. Prior to Tuesday, participants such as Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., said the discussions centered on spending cuts over the next 10 years or so in the $150 billion to $200 billion range.

"Everybody knows that at the end of the day we're going to make some really tough decisions on some of the big ticket items," Biden said.

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The negotiations are expected to take weeks as Congress faces an Aug. 2 deadline to avoid a first-ever, market-rattling default on U.S. obligations. It's a politically perilous vote made more difficult by the influx of Tea Party-backed Republicans who propelled the GOP into control of the House.

President Barack Obama has set out a goal of cutting the deficit by $4 trillion over the next 12 years. Biden said the initial wave of cuts would be less but that future legislation could meet the goal.

"I think we're in a position where we'll be able to get well above a trillion dollars ... in terms of what would be a down payment," Biden said. "We're going to be discussing trigger mechanisms and how do we do that to get to $4 trillion."

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Video: House Budget chair: Nobody wants default

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    MR. GREGORY: All right. Before you go, what about the debt ceiling negotiations? Do you think they'll be a deal, or will this go down to the wire ?

    REP. RYAN: Well, first of all, I think there will be a deal, and it'll probably take a while. Look, we have till August. It's May right now. This is going to take time. Our position's really simple. For every dollar the president wants to raise the debt limit, we're saying let's cut more than a dollar's worth of spending. He's asked for a $2 trillion increase in the debt limit, we've laid out $6.2 trillion in spending cuts. So we can show the president plenty of ways and areas to cut more than a dollar's worth of spending and it's very important for the credit markets, for our economy to show that we're going to get this situation under control, that we're going to get the debt stabilized and get spending under control, as we deal with this debt limit. Nobody wants default to happen, but at the same time, we don't want to rubber stamp just the debt limit increase that shows we're not getting our situation under control.


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