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Tea Party member Consuelo Otero applauds during a rally on Sept. 22 in Orlando, Fla.
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At a Republican candidate forum outside Fort Worth last week, a Tea Party activist turned Senate candidate proclaimed the Occupy Wall Street protesters “unemployed, uneducated and uninformed.” To which the conservative radio host moderating the panel added, mirthfully, “This is the first occupation many of these people have seen in years.”

More and more commentators — as well as President Obama — have likened the Occupy forces spreading across the country to the Tea Party movement. But as they have, conservatives and Tea Party activists have rushed to discredit the comparison and the nascent movement. They have portrayed the Occupy protesters as messy, indolent, drug-addled and anti-Semitic, circulated a photo of one of them defecating on a police car, and generally intimated that Democrats who embrace them are on a headlong road to Chicago 1968.

It is a culture war, young versus old, left versus right, communal food tables versus “Don’t Tread on Me” flags.

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In fact, the two movements do share key traits. They emerged out of nowhere but quickly became potent political forces, driven by anxiety about the economy, a belief that big institutions favor the reckless over the hard-working, grievances that are inchoate and even contradictory, and an insistence that they are “leaderless.” “End the Fed” signs — and even some of those yellow Gadsden flags — have found a place at Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street protests alike.

Where they differ is in where they place the blame. While Occupy forces find fault in the banks and super-rich, the Tea Party movement blames the government for the economic calamity brought on by the mortgage crisis, and sees the wealthy as job creators who will lift the country out of its economic malaise. To them, the solution is less regulation of banks, not more.

'In favor of anarchy'
Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey declared Monday, “If you told the Occupy Wall Street people and the Tea Party people that they are the same, they would hit you.”

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Not quite. But Tea Party activists are indeed fighting the comparisons.

“They seem to be more in favor of anarchy than they are in favor of working out problems through the Constitution,” Jenny Beth Martin, a co-founder of Tea Party Patriots, said about the Occupy forces.

“We have worked very hard to be respectful of the laws,” she said in an interview. “We protest and complain, but we’re also trying to work within the system. It’s frustrating to watch people who have an utter lack of respect for our form of government.”

Tea Party Patriots issued a statement last week titled, “Occupy Wall Street? They’re No Tea Partiers.” Tea Party supporters, it argued, were the ones who “have stood firmly on principle.”

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“They believe freedom from government allows entrepreneurs to try new things, see what works and discard what doesn’t,” it continued. “They don’t believe corporations are inherently evil, or that bankers should be beheaded.”

By contrast, it portrayed Occupy protesters as freeloaders, or would-be freeloaders: “Those occupying Wall Street and other cities, when they are intelligible, want less of what made America great and more of what is damaging to America: a bigger more powerful government to come in and take care of them so they don’t have to work like the rest of us who pay our bills.”

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Certainly one reason that conservatives do not like the comparison is that Democrats and unions have eyed the Occupy movement as a vehicle for energizing the left in the 2012 elections.

On Tuesday, President Obama, the man Tea Partiers love to loathe, made the link, telling ABC News that the Occupy protests are “not that different from some of the protests we saw coming from the Tea Party.”

“Both on the left and the right I think that people feel separated from their government,” he said. “They feel their institutions aren’t looking out for them.”

Conservative media outlets have accused the “mainstream media” of paying the Occupy movement too much attention, but have themselves covered it extensively — mostly to argue that it is made up of sloppy, angry socialists.

The Daily Caller jubilantly noted Monday that the Nazi Party of America had endorsed the Occupy movement. Big Journalism, another conservative Web site, published a collection of photographs showing defaced flags and cars at Occupy protests, as well as signs urging an end to aid to Israel, which the Web site used to argue the anti-Semitism of the new movement.

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There is a through-the-looking glass element to some of the criticism. The Daily Caller reported that based on photographs, the Occupy forces were almost exclusively white (numerous studies and polls have shown the Tea Party, too, has proportionately few members of minority groups).

The Tea Party, too, was vague about its frustrations in its early days, or contradictory, as in the sign at one rally that was cited as evidence that the Tea Party itself was uneducated and uninformed: “Keep Your Government Hands Off My Medicare.”

One-off cranks
At Tea Party protests you could find the kind of one-off cranks that conservatives have found at Occupy rallies — Tea Party organizers would explain them as fringe-y interlopers. (Those Obama-as-Hitler posters, they noted, were the work of Lyndon LaRouche supporters, not Tea Party activists.)

And similarly, conservative criticism of Occupy protests has not always held up. Lu Busse, a Tea Party leader in Colorado, claimed on Facebook that two Occupy Denver protesters died from heroin overdoses last week. In fact, city officials said, there had been no overdose deaths in Denver all month.

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Some Occupy demonstrators seemed more willing to express some commonality with — and even some admiration for — the Tea Party.

Lin Wefel, an Occupy supporter at Zuccotti Park, where the protests began, said she had attended a Tea Party event in Pennsylvania and thought the missions of the two movements coincided “80 percent.”

“They want jobs, fair wages, get the money out of the system — the same things we want,” she said.

Kate Linker, another protester, said that while the two movements agreed that the system was not working, they disagreed on how it should work. She, for instance, was soliciting signatures for petitions to renew the New York State millionaires tax and establish one federally — not a cause most Tea Party activists are likely to support.

Still, she said, Occupy does aspire to have as strong an impact on the national discussion as the Tea Party has had.

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So far, most Americans do not align with either movement. In a USA Today/Gallup poll taken last weekend, 26 percent of those polled said they were supporters of the Occupy movement, while 19 percent identified as opponents, and 52 percent said they neither supported nor opposed it. Meanwhile, 22 percent said they were supporters of the Tea Party, 27 percent said they were opponents, and 47 percent said they were neither.

But the large majority — 63 percent — said they did not know enough about the Occupy goals to say whether they approved or disapproved. In the early days of the Tea Party movement, a similarly large percentage did not know much about it.

Conservatives are trying to define the Occupy protesters before the protesters define themselves.

Ed Morrissey, writing in The Week, insisted that the Occupy movement wants “seizures and redistributions, which necessarily means more bureaucracies, higher spending, and many more opportunities for collusion between authorities and moneyed interests in one way or another.”

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Still, he acknowledged that it resembled the Tea Party movement in some respects.

Ms. Martin, of Tea Party Patriots, said the next year would determine whether more Americans agree with the Occupy forces or the Tea Party.

“That’s what the whole election comes down to,” she said, “what direction do we think America’s going to go in, and what’s the proper size and scope of government.”

Anne Barnard contributed reporting.

This story, "Wall St. Protest Isn’t Like Ours, Tea Party Says," originally appeared in The New York Times.

Copyright © 2013 The New York Times

Photos: Faces of the Tea Party — In their own words

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  1. Don Nunemaker, 61, Plymouth, Ind., retired Air Force officer and part-time pastor, is co-founder of "We the People," a Tea Party group in Marshall and Fulton Counties.

    “(It) started during the Bush era. I was not tickled by the Patriot Act. … I was also very unhappy with the attack in Iraq. … But that wasn’t enough to get me off my chair. …

    “When Obama emerged … he was talking as a moderate … (but) there was a total lack of transparency even though Obama said he would have the most transparent administration ever. …. One of his czars was a Communist. … What is a Communist doing in the American government? That was the last straw.

    “I would hope that political candidates ... will pay a little more attention about what the American people are saying. … We pay too much attention to minority voices… We’re not talking about race or skin color. … It’s (people) with a political agenda that is adverse to American well-being. Like Communists … like the unions.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  2. Tom Grimes, 66, South Bend, Ind., retired stock broker and insurance sales rep. Grimes, standing aboard a bus bound for a Tea Party-affiliated rally in Indianapolis, founded St. Joe County Tea Party Patriots.

    “(My inspiration) is Glenn Beck primarily. I listened to him for several years before he was famous. It’s like taking a class from the most fascinating professor you’ve ever had.

    “The government cannot control things. … It’s what the Communists tried to do. ... That’s what Obama is trying to do. We are going to build windmills, we are going to build these little cars and if people don’t buy them we will raise gas prices to $25 a gallon. … We should have let (the banks) collapse. … We might have had a tremendously deep recession, but at least we’d be heading out of it.”

    “I want to see a drastic change in government -- smaller, with more authority back in the states. … I see no reason we need a Department of Education. ... We don’t need an EPA.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  3. Hursel and Ebony Williams of Indianapolis, shown at a Tea Party rally on Oct. 16. Hursel, 40, is a video tech at a cable company; Ebony, 35, is an independent computer consultant. They say they are not Tea Party members, but sympathize with some of its positions.

    Ebony Williams: “We feel… that it is our duty as Christians to stand up for what is right.

    "Constitutionalists stand for the little man and for what Christ stands for – the right to be treated fairly, equally."

    Hursel Williams: “We've often been hoodwinked. … Things are often not as we were raised to believe.

    "I would like to see (the Tea Party movement) cause an awakening for people ... that people will seek truth.

    "I had a preconceived notion (that the Tea Party is racist). … I have felt nothing but love and talk about Christ. … I would bring my children to this." (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  4. Kent Hizer, 49, a mechanical engineer from Mishawaka, Ind., who works in industrial product sales and as a volunteer policeman. He is running for Penn Township Board as a Republican.

    “I consider myself a conservative, fiscally and socially. … But I have a hard time classifying myself as a Republican because I think they have lost their way.

    “What interested me (in the Tea Party) … is I felt we were moving farther and farther away from basic constitutional law, and giving up freedoms. ….

    “I’m on a mission to hold elected officials accountable, locally and up the food chain. “I want to get people re-engaged no matter what party they are. … We have this precious gift … the right to vote … but people take it for granted. … There’s all this bravado -- ‘Vote the bums out!’ – but voter turnout locally is in the 20-30 percent range. …

    “The Tea Party has started to take some of that back.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  5. Lenn “Curley” Gapinski, 58, retired mechanical engineer. He and his wife, Cheryl, own a vineyard and winery outside Monticello, Ind. He is a member of the White County Tea Party Patriots and teaches members about the U.S. Constitution.

    “It was during the bank bailouts that people became quite angry, and people started uniting through the Internet and saying, ‘Hey, we are taxed enough already.’

    “When we started organizing, the word ‘tea’ meant ‘taxed enough already.’ Everyone brings their own personal complaints, but that’s the core of it."

    Gapinski wants a flat tax to replace the current progressive income tax: “Forty-eight percent of the people in this country do not pay any federal income tax -- they are happy as pigs in mud. If everyone had to pay the same (percentage), everyone would have the same amount of anger, and they would hold the government accountable.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  6. Emery McClendon, 59, FedEx courier, disabled veteran and a founder of the Patriot Resistance in Fort Wayne, Ind.

    “I grew up in a very Democratic household where they would break your neck if you voted any other way. … It was only when I got older that people started to challenge me -- they said you’re more of a Reagan Republican. I started to research it, and discovered that yes, I am. …

    “A lot of people in the movement were very disappointed with the reckless spending of George W. Bush … but at that time we weren’t feeling threatened by a person who wants to destroy the country… (and) laws that rip the freedom from under our feet.

    “Taking over the banking system, automotive industry, health care -- that’s totally un-American. … “(Obama) continues to spend, spend, spend. All these “czars” in cabinet positions … are really far-out, left-thinking people. … (Americans) now see the threat, because it’s out in the open and they are resisting.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  7. The Cosgray family of Monticello, Ind. (left to right, Nichole, 16; Rachel, 20; Laura, 47; Sam, 48; Tyler, 25, holding daughter Bella; Alex, 27, and wife, Amanda, 24). Sam works at Caterpiller. Laura, who works part-time at a local school and has recruited dozens of people to join the White County Tea Party Patriots.

    Laura Cosgray: “We bust our backs every day going to work, teaching our children values and working, and that you don’t rely on the government. ... For them to take our money … to prop up the banks that are failing because of corruption and greed … that was the tipping point right there for America.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  8. Faith Jones, 58, of Valparaiso, Ind., co-founder of the Northwest Indiana Patriots. She works in hospitality and sales and shoots trap as a hobby.

    “One time a reporter asked me is this (movement) race based? I looked at him kind of sideways … and said, ‘What color is Congress? What color is the Senate? It’s all of those people. … It’s about ideology.

    “It’s the arrogance of these (representatives), the unlawfulness. … Who gave (the government) permission to bail out the auto industry?... I have failed many times in my life. … Failure builds character.

    “I want to stay in the United States of America, the land of the free. I don’t want to become a communist country. Where does this government have the right to make us buy or sell anything? So… the health care bill really set it off for me.

    “I think it has taken about 40 years for our government to lose the principles of our founding fathers. It will take time to get correct.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  9. Anna Kroyman, 61, runs a distribution company from her home in Monticello, Ind., which she shares with boyfriend Jack Van Valkenburg, 65, a retired Chicago police officer.

    Kroyman: “We support conservative issues. … We’re behind (candidates) if they support these issues. … But this is not about parties anymore. Both parties need to revamp themselves.

    “We don’t endorse the candidates, we expose them. We bring them into your backyard and let you ask them about their views. Then you can be self-educated.

    “The core values (of the Tea Party) are limited government, fiscal responsibility and free markets. …

    "We’re heading into a socialistic system here. What we are experiencing now is the fall of democracy. … Limited government we no longer have, fiscal responsibility we don’t have, free markets are being stripped as we speak.

    (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  10. Christine Murdock, 86, South Bend, Ind., a former PE teacher, longtime Republican activist and a member of the St. Joseph County Tea Party Patriots. Her husband, Rawson, is a retired printing company executive.

    “The Tea Party people are so passionate. They will really get out and go door to door. … They are hard, hard workers and very interested and very friendly.”

    Because I’m so familiar with Republican politics I’ve found the people in the Tea Party are very naïve. … I’ve tried to help … them understand the structure of the whole thing.

    “They need to realize what it’s all about and they can’t be naïve and too idealistic. … But they are going to learn and they have learned.”

    “Ideally … perhaps because I’m big in the Republican party—If (the Tea Party) could kind of merge with Republicans, we would get more action and passion in both groups.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  11. Allen Rhodes, 70 and Sally Rhodes, 68, of Avilla, Ind., at anti-“Obama Care” rally in Indianapolis on Oct. 16. The longtime Republicans say they registered as Democrats in the last election so they could for vote against Barack Obama.

    Sally Rhodes: “We were concerned before Obama was nominated (because of what they called radical associates). … Now we’re heading down a socialist path. He is a very radical progressive.”

    Allen Rhodes: “We are so concerned about losing our rights and the debt terrifies us … for our children and grandchildren.

    “And the Green movement is ridiculous. Are they taking our money to combat global warming or just lining their pockets?” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  12. Sherry Marquelle, a singer who performs at Tea Party events. Marquelle, who also works in health care, declined to give her age or place of residence.

    “I was never politically involved until 2009 (amid the health care debate). … My daughter (6) has … a rare illness. We found out about it in January, and it’s very aggressive. … I thought, ‘How is (the change in health care) going to affect her and other children like her?”

    Marquelle visited Washington, D.C. with a group of Indiana citizens, but meetings scheduled with their representatives were instead attended by aides. Marquelle returned disappointed and angry, and wrote a song, “Hot Mama, listen up Big G.”

    “I’m a baby-holdin,’ gun totin,’ fire breathing dragon. …” the lyrics say. “Don’t tread on me cause there’ll be hell to pay.”

    “There’s a whole group of us conservative singers going around trying to get our country back through music.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  13. Emily Daniels, 18, a freshman at Bethel College in South Bend, Ind. She is a Republican and has attended some Tea Party events. She is doing door-to-door campaigning for Duane Beals, a Republican running for state representative.

    “I am … a Christian, a conservative and a Republican in that order. I want to support candidates that uphold these values.

    “The Tea Party is a great movement because it is a group of people that supports conservative candidates and intends to hold these people to what they claim to stand for.”

    “I think it's important for people to get involved because many of the freedoms that are the very reason our grandparents came to this country (are) slipping away. Besides that, my generation and I are going into adulthood with almost $39,000 dollars of debt on my head because of money the government has spent!” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  14. Kody Linville, 23, of Kendalville, Ind., is a member of a “9-12 group,” which espouses “nine principles and 12 values” and largely aligns philosophically with Tea Party groups.

    “In high school I was interested in the gun issue, and joined the NRA. I registered to vote as soon as possible. After high school, a friend was killed in Iraq in 2007, (and) I started paying attention to other issues. … I started researching why we entered the war and (learning about) our individual liberties.

    “One of our nine principles is that we are the authority over our lives, not the government.… They don’t have the authority to mandate that I buy health insurance.

    “The outcome I would like to see (from this movement) is a government limited by the Constitution as intended by the founders. That we will let people do as they want within the Constitution. … Also, for people of any political persuasion to listen to candidates and get involved.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  15. Jonathan Tremaine Thomas, 29, and Mollie Thomas, 30, of Indianapolis, attended the anti-“Obama care” event on Oct. 16 to explore the Tea Party movement. Mollie teaches ballet and Jonathan is a “media entrepreneur/urban missionary.”

    Jonathan Thomas: “We are trying to find out how we can best navigate the social and political waters and stay true to our religious convictions.”

    Mollie Thomas: “I’ve always been restless with the Republican party, but stayed because of moral convictions. … I’m very excited about (the idea of) smaller government control. I don’t like Obama care. I’d like more decisions made on the state and local level.”

    Jonathan Thomas: “I find hope in the fact that more people are finding a voice in a movement -- this one or others. I don’t believe we can have enough political parties to represent everyone in this very diverse nation. “ (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  16. Karen Virgin, 47, of Lowell, Ind., who works in manufacturing and is a member of the Northwest Indiana Patriots, attended the anti-“Obama Care” rally in Indianapolis on Oct. 16.

    “Obama care is a big concern. … We have a “Cadillac” health care plan at our (factory). We really value it, and it isn’t looking good (under the health care bill.)

    “I realized this country is losing its freedoms and has to get back to the Constitution. The government is too big.

    “I try to spread the word among co-workers. … So people recognized the rights that we are in fact losing. It’s not about a political party. I’m disappointed in the whole political system.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  17. Friends Ben Dallas, 33, left, and Brandon White, 32, both from Kendalville, Ind., attended the anti-“Obama Care” rally on Oct. 16 in Indianapolis. Dallas is in the U.S. Army; White works in retail.

    Dallas: “I’m not part of an organization; this is my second (Tea Party) event. I agree with the principles of the Tea Party -- especially less government. … In principle, I disagree with the health care (bill) and believe it opens the door for a single payer (system) and that’s when the quality really goes down.”

    White: “I am not too involved (with the Tea Party) but I stop by local groups. … They inform people on legislation and candidates. … I would like to see more people involved and slowly see the power go from the federal government to the states. … There is no way somebody in Washington, D.C., knows best what I need here in Indiana.”

    (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
  18. Dick Mechling, 68, is retired from the pharmaceutical industry. He and his wife, Mickey, live on 10 acres near Lakeville, Ind. They are active in the St. Joe County Tea Party Patriots and are campaigning for Jackie Walorski, Republican candidate for Congress.

    “Politically we have not been active until now.

    “The thing that probably energized us … was Sarah Palin’s (appearance) in the last election. … Here is somebody who thinks more like we do. … She just seems like plain folks.

    “I see the Tea Party as a kind of like an educational thing. I think we have lost sight of what the government’s role -- according to the Constitution -- should be in our lives. … The Constitution was written to protect us from our government. The founding fathers knew that government … would be inclined to get wild with their power. So they limited their power. As you can see the Constitution is being trampled on daily by our president and Congress.” (James Cheng / Back to slideshow navigation
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    >>> arrested in the occupy wall street protests. in the meantime, at last night's gop debate, herman cain literally told the protesters where to go.

    >> they might be frustrated with wall street and the bankers, but they're directing their anger at the wrong place. wall street didn't put in failed economic policies, wall street didn't spend $1 trillion that didn't do any good. wall street isn't going around the country trying to sell another $400 billion. they ought to be in front of the white house taking out their frustrations.

    >> joining us now is the woman taken into custody last night, author naomi wolf . thank you, both, for joining us. naomi, let's start with you. i was there last night, the " huffington post " party, and i was watching the protests, and they seemed peaceful. but you were taken into arrest. what happened?

    >> well, i was arrested while i was complying with the law. and peacefully standing on a sidewalk. very briefly i studied protests and permits in new york city . and so i understood that they had a right to be on the sidewalk peacefully. when i came out of the " huffington post " event where i'd been a guest. i saw police had moved them far away. when asked them why, they were told they had no right to march where they had been. i knew that wasn't correct, so i checked with the people in charge. they said the permit did allow them to walk without obstructing the sidewalk. i said i'm going to walk with my partner and anyone who wants to walk with us, please join us. so we were walking peacefully back and forth, not obstructing anything. suddenly 30 or 40 giant men in white shirts, apparently the nypd, appeared and stopped in front of me and one of them used a megaphone, which the protesters have been told citizens are not allowed to use. another fake permit situation. and said disperse, you're unlawfully present. and i'm a reporter, and i said i'm sorry, i don't understand. i understand the permit allows us to not obstruct the passage passageway. and you can see from the video i was calm, peaceful, respectful.

    >> were they forceful with you?

    >> well, i'm not going to say they injured me because they didn't. but they certainly handcuffed my arms behind my back with cuffs and my partner's arms behind his backs and moved us physically in spite of my saying, can i get a lawyer? moved us physically into a van, pushed us into a van, sat us down, locked the door, put us in a cell. you can decide. that's not the issue so much. the issue is they're making up the law. and i know that citizens have a right -- and that we were, you know, peacefully obeying the terms of the permit that allowed us to be there and exercise our first amendment right.

    >> and we've actually put a phone call into the new york city police and waiting to hear what their response is. and josh, lots to talk about with you. i understand you were almost arrested covering the protests. but going back to what herman cain had to say. one of the biggest criticisms with this movement, there doesn't seem to be a unified message. i think people are saying they want to tax the rich, want the wars to end, they want health care for all. but again, there really hasn't been a set of demands. what have you seen while you've been covering these protests?

    >> that's a fairly contentious issue within the "occupy" movement. and i've been talking to a lot of people involved from the start. and there are several schools of thought about this. a lot of them feel it's premature to bring up demands because as soon as they do, that will kind of deflate the movement. it allows it to be coopted by certain people and criticized by others. and they think the real point is to express their anger and concern about what's going on. and by doing so, it's going to bring even more people in. we're seeing this happening still, it's still growing. and you know, they just want to keep it general. and maybe demands will emerge from the process later.

    >> they want to keep this general. is this a smart idea, a smart idea, naom i?

    >> i have to say, i have a list of their demands in my purse. i went to them before the event and the governor was going to be there. and i said, give me your list of demands and i will take them to the governor if i can. they have a right it have their voices be heard. so they gave me a list of their top ten priorities. they are pretty clear. and they do range from not having the avoidance of millionaire's tax. they want accountability for police brutality . which seems reasonable. with how arbitrary the police are using force.

    >> it seems like a tactic the protesters are using. every time there is an arrest there is month word of it in the media.

    >> respectfully, veronica, i disagree. i was there a citizen of new york, mom of two, someone who believes in the first amendment. i don't necessarily support their demands. i support the right it freely assemble. i was arrested. that wasn't a tactic. i add business appointment later that evening. i didn't want to be sitting in s.e.a. cell.

    >> i know you are active o on twitter and nice back. please do tweet. another jones reporter, author naomi wolf , thank you for joining us


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