updated 10/21/2013 10:57:51 AM ET 2013-10-21T14:57:51

THE ED SHOW
October 18, 2013
Guest: Bernie Sanders, John Garamendi, Stephanie Miller, Holland Cooke,
Larry Cohen, Jesse Lagreca

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To serve his own self-interest.

REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: I look in faith first. I look faith
(inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s liberty, that`s freedom, that`s the
American idea.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Paul Ryan`s own work of (inaudible) fan fiction,
the republican budget.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: They want to fight another day.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We captured of shadow boxing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The special technique of shadow boxing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Shadow boxing, the big government theory.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Fine. Let`s get it on.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that what we`re beginning to talk about.

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SCHULTZ: Jerry, show me the money? Remember that movie? You know,
folks, I just can`t get away from this number. It`s been in my head for
the last 24 hours, $24 billion, I don`t -- you know, now, we knew another
cycle. See this was yesterday`s story, $24 billion dollars. Oh, now of
talking about, well, glitches in ObamaCare. We`re back to that. Everybody
is just all over that, the conservative media. Very little if no
commentary has been given by any conservatives on just what the heck $24
billion is to our economy.

This is a total disregard for the taxpayers. All this guys are
running around and talking about how fiscally responsible they want to be
when they go to Washington. No, they don`t, they want to save their ass.
And that`s all they care about. Now with the republican government
shutdown, all over now, when we`re getting back to normal. I just want to
prepare you for phase 2, because the real fight starts right now, activist
get engage.

Members of the bipartisan budget conference committee have been
chosen. Oh, this is the big stud that`s going to be over there for
righties. That`s Paul Ryan. Look, that alliance are being drawn. He has
his budget, we have our priorities. Here`s what`s on the table.

The republicans are likely to go after Social Security, Medicare and
Medicaid. They not only want cuts, they want major reforms on how these
programs operate. Now, they`re also going to be pushing for military
spending. Of course, the righties love to spend money when it comes to
military. Let`s take a look with CBN 77. This is the George H.W. Bush
nuclear power to aircraft carrier, it was commissioned in January of 2009,
price tag $6.2 billion.

Oh, wait a minute (ph), that was only 6.2 billion dollars. Holy
smokes, we could buy -- let`s see this is 2009 when it went to commission.
This is late 2013. Well, cost increase, can we conservatively say that the
republicans have scrod (ph) the pooch on three nuclear powered aircraft
carriers, which of course the military is going to be asking for?

I once knew a captain of the USS Carl Vinson. He used to tell me when
this baby would pull into a foreign port, that`s a whole lot of democracy.
So this is what the republicans have done. They a look at that, we could
have three of these babies, $24 billion, it`s like we got have a visual to
understand exactly what kind of injury they have done to the economy.

Now when it comes to the budget talks on the flipside, the democrats
are going to be working to end sequester cuts. You know, they`re going to
try to protect the big three, that`s where we`re all about.

And of course, they are likely to push for more tax revenue and this
is where it`s going to get sticky. Yes. The democrats are going to want
more revenue. The question is where it`s going to come from. And make no
mistake, both sides are going to be hart press (ph) to get an agreement
with what the democrats want and how they view the country being run and
what the republicans and now they want to destroy it.

No, it`s not fringe (ph) to think that social security should be
there. Social security isn`t the problem, Ryan is going to make it the
problem. These are certainly no easy task across the board. Congressman
Paul Ryan and Senator Patty Murray have been charge to lead the committee
on Thursday and of course Murray said there a long (ph) way part and they
realize it.

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SEN. PATTY MURRAY, (D) WASHINGTON: Chairman Ryan knows I`m not going
to vote for his budget. I know that he`s not going to go vote for mine.
We`re going to find the two common ground between our two budget that we
both can vote on and that`s our goal.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Now, under the leadership of Ryan, there are 13 other
congressional republicans on the conference committee, and I think it`s
very profound that we point out that nine -- count them, nine of these
republicans voted for default on Wednesday night.

A 144 voted in the house for default. Now folks, let me tell you
something, these 144, this is a number that has caught the attention of the
democrats. You mean to tell me, there`s a 144 republicans that would have
rather seen our country hit the tank and now nine of these guys from the
senate are over on their committee?

So, do you think it will be a fight over priorities? Under Senator
Murray, there are 13 congressional democrats and one independent, none of
course, none of them voted for default, whatsoever.

Now the biggest fighter in the group is Senator Bernie Sanders. He is
the independent pitbull from Vermont. And, that`s about as good compliment
as I can give this guy, because I know we got to seat at the table now.

There`s nobody else, I`d rather have seating across from Paul Ryan
during this entire fight. Senator Sanders has fought tirelessly for
working men and women on this country. And make no mistake, he will fight
for Americans in the upcoming negotiations. You know, what he`s doing it
right now. He`s doing his homework right now.

This week, Senator Sanders is touring Southern States on a fact
finding mission. I guess you could call it the opposition research.
Senator Sanders`s video conference with a group in Mississippi on Wednesday
night, he spoke in Birmingham, Alabama on Thursday. He met with people in
Atlanta, Georgia this morning. And he`s currently in South Carolina
preparing for an event tonight. You could call it Bernie`s Southern
Strategy.

Now, in my view, in my world, what I think, this is what United States
Senators are supposed to do, to go out and find out in these states which
are very, very red. How do you feel about Social Security, Medicare and
Medicaid, because that`s where the fight`s going to be? They`re going to
go after the entitlements, the earned benefit programs, so for Senators
Sanders to do this, why another (ph) is doing it?

This is important. He`s on that budget reconciliation committee and
he is going down into the belly of the beast, in the republican territory
to find out what the folks really think, because the biggest voting in the
voting block in this country are independent voters. The others are bunch
of them down south too, but they saw his slinging (ph) conservative.

So, tell me, what is the conservative position on Medicare? What is
the conservative position on the stability of Social Security? What is the
conservative position on ObamaCare? We are a changing society the way
people think and the way they think about money right now in good and
services and things that are provided by the government, and oh by the, way
we are the government.

One more thing about this whole budget fight, Simpson-Bowles. I`m
sure they`re good guys. I`ve never interviewed them. They`ve been around
government a long time, served at a number of different levels. But I`ve
read most of this Simpson-Bowles report and I can tell you that this is no
blueprint for the future of America.

I would say to the democrats, throw that sucker (ph) right in trash
can and start over, don`t even pay attention to Simpson-Bowles, that`s not
where the country is.

Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s
question. Is it time for democrats to go back to a 50 states strategy? Go
around the country. Go around to every state and make a play. Text A for
yes, text B for no to 67622. You can always go to our blog at
ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring the results later on the show.

Let`s bring in the man we`re talking about Senator Bernie Sanders of
Vermont. He was joining us from Columbia, South Carolina tonight.
Senator, great to have you with us.

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: You have been .

SCHULTZ: Great to be with you.

SANDERS: You bet.

SCHULTZ: You`re doing your homework and I appreciate it, because
you`re going to go down there and push the flush (ph) and find out what
these people are saying on the wake of this shutdown and the money that we
lost, the $24 billion and the priority set forward. Senator, what are you
hearing down south?

SANDERS: You got a lot of great people. I`ve been meeting with trade
unionist, independents, progressive democrats, and they are tired of being
abandoned by the National Democratic Party. They want some help and they
believe that was somehow they can start winning in these conservative
states. And what they are saying very clearly is that in Mississippi, in
Alabama, in Georgia, South Carolina people are hurting. These are low
income states.

And, what concerns me is that you have many white working class people
who are voting against their own best interest. These are guys getting
hang up (ph), on gay marriage issues, they`re getting hang up on abortion
issues and it is time we started focusing on the economic issues that bring
us together, defending Social Security, defending Medicare, making sure
that Medicaid is not cut, the veterans programs are not cut.

And I honestly believe that we can win states in the south, because
you got a lot of folks here who are hurting terribly. These are people who
are working for low wages. They don`t have any healthcare. They can
afford to send their kids for college. And I think if we start pounding
away at the economic message our willingness to take on the big money
interest to take on Wall Street, to create the millions of jobs we need, to
raise the minimum wage, to make college affordable, you know what, I think
we can win on these southern states.

SCHULTZ: Senator, there are nine of these republicans on the budget
committee who are going to be going to conference committee who voted for
default. How are you going to work with them? I mean, they were ready to
allow the United States government, our country, to default on its debt.
And these guys, these people, are going to be on the budget committee, how
tough of fight is this going to be?

SANDERS: Well, the way you work with them is you make the case that
maybe, just maybe, they might want to be listening to what ordinary
Americans are saying in overwhelming numbers and not listening to the Koch
Brothers and other billionaires. And Ed, what the American people are
saying is very, very clear. They are saying in poll after poll, "Do not
cut Social Security. Do not cut Medicare. Do not cut Medicaid." What
they are saying is in fact the most important issue facing the American
people is not the deficit which is important but not the most important.

The most important issue is the need to create millions of jobs so we
deal with this frightfully high unemployment that we`re seeing. The most
important issue also is raising the minimum wage so we don`t have millions
of working people not surviving, really falling under because they`re
making $7.50, $8, $9 an hour. And if we deal with the deficit, then the
way to deal wit it is you`ve just indicate it. Take a hard look at the
(inaudible) spending. We are now spending almost this much as the entire
world combined, begin asking the one out of four. We have now one after
four major corporations not paying a nickel in federal income taxes. I
think we have to take a hard look at that as well.

So there are ways to do the deficit that is fair. We got to create
jobs and we got to protect Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid. That
is what by the way not just what Bernie Sanders wants, that is exactly what
the American people want .

SCHULTZ: That is what the American people want and it is exactly what
the republicans are going to go after. They paid no attention to polls in
the past. There are all about the ideology of how they think government
should be run. Paul Ryan of course -- excuse me, is right at the heart of
all of these. I mean, we could be headed right back for round two of
another government shutdown. I mean, do you really think that the
republicans are going to be honest brokers and negotiate to strengthen
these programs without cutting on benefits?

SANDERS: Well, I think we`ve got to make them an offer they can`t
afford not to take. And that is if they once again -- look, they got
burned very, very badly in their willingness to shutdown the government .

SCHULTZ: American taxpayers got burned.

SANDERS: . to default on our bills.

SCHULTZ: Yes.

SANDERS: The American taxpayers got burned but they are (ph) brand
name of Republicanism has gone way, way down. They`re not worried. They
are now worried whether they are going to retain control over the House.
And I think their hopes of winning the senate have significantly
diminished.

Our job is simply to raise consciousness on the issue to let the
American people know what`s going on. And if they in the midst of all of
the opposition, they`re cutting Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid.
If they want to move in that direction, we`ve got to rally the American
people as loudly and clearly as we can. If they go in that direction, I
think, Ed, they can lose the House and they surely are not going to gain
control of the senate. But our job is to organize and educate the American
people .

SCHULTZ: Yes.

SANDERS: . to put pressure on them.

SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Bernie .

SANDERS: And if we do that, I think we`re going to be in pretty good
shape.

SCHULTZ: All right. Senator Bernie Sanders, it`s (ph) going to be
interesting here. No question about it. Thank you for joining us tonight.
Appreciate you doing that Southern tour. I think it`s desperately needed.
Messaging is the big key. A lot of people vote against their best interest
in the south.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the
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Coming up, Stephen Colbertgoes on a terror (ph) and targets Mayor
Bloomberg, plus the Fox News Live Machine revives an oldie but goody to
attack ObamaCare. By the way, ACORN is back.

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SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders and the social media. This is
where you can find us Facebook, Tweeter, ed.msnbc.com and the Radio Show on
SiriusXM channel 127 noon to 3 Monday through Friday. The Ed social media
nation has decided and we are reporting. Here are today`s top Trenders
voted on by you.

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STEPHEN COLBERT: It`s like we all show up at the same Halloween party
dressed as the monopoly guy.

SCHULTZ: The number three Trender, Full Bloom.

COLBERT: Tonight is really about the (inaudible) among us. Speaking
of which, is Mayor Bloomberg here? Stand on your chair, something, or wave
something sir.

SCHULTZ: Stephen Colbert(inaudible) Mike Bloomberg at the Al Smith
Dinner.

COLBERT: You`re a wonderful mayor, sir. Thank you very much. Very
patient man, also very tiny, very tiny man. The real reason here is he
doesn`t want to drink cups large or 16 ounces because he is afraid he might
drown in one.

SCHULTZ: The number two Trender, (inaudible).

RICK SCARBOROUGH: I have nothing against homosexual as people.
Homosexuals, which the bible still refers to as son of mine (ph).

JIM CARREY, ACTOR: Your honor, I object.

SCHULTZ: A right wing pastor, things he can sue the gateway (ph).

SCARBOROUGH: It`s the whole issue of a class action (ph) lawsuit.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s outrageous, egregious, preposterous (ph).

SCARBOROUGH: Statistically now even the centers for disease control
verifies that homosexuality much more likely leads to AIDS than smoking
leads to cancer. The entire nation has rejected smoking, billions of
dollars are put into a trust fund to help cancer victims and the tobacco
industry was held accountable for that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Stop laughing, you`re out of order (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`re out of order. You`re out of order. The
whole trial is out of order.

SCHULTZ: And today`s top Trender, health nuts (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ACORN is back. Back in 2009, famously they were
caught in this sting operation by journalist, James O`Keefe.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible)?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don`t want to think (ph) is what you`re thinking
is.

SCHULTZ: FOX, resurrects an old boogieman to scare (ph) on ObamaCare.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember when ACORN was busted for teaching
people how to break the law?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: If ACORN operatives are trying to sign people up
for the Affordable Care Act.

WADE RATHKE, ACORN FOUNDER: They`ll remember Barack Obama. Once
worked with ACORN as community (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Cool. Cool. That`s make you think, wasn`t it?

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SCHULTZ: They will try anything. I`m joined tonight by Congressman
John Garamendi of California. Congressman, good to have you with us
tonight. Apparently, the sale (ph) job for ObamaCare is going to have to
stay focused and write in the cross hairs for the democrats with garbage
like that going on.

REP. JOHN GARAMENDI, (D) CALIFORNIA: Well, I was almost laughing
there. I tell you, what`s really going on is the 48 million Americans that
are trying to get healthcare. And they have an opportunity. Yeah, the
website is not working right yet, and it`s going to take a while but I tell
you here in California, million and a half people have gone to the
California website covered California, couple of 100,000 are willing to
buying a policy.

This is the start of a very, very important and a very good situation
where men and women across these nation families are going to be able to
get healthcare at a reasonable price. And if they can`t afford it,
there`ll be a subsidy available. Sure there`s problems right now. I don`t
know any start up that hasn`t had a problem. And, OK, so we got a problem,
let`s work through and get on with it. ACORN, this is a joke.

SCHULTZ: It is a total joke. And, you know, what? They will try
anything and they will lie about a lot of stuff and (inaudible) people at
Fox and Friends, they`re not the only ones spreading more lies about this
healthcare law.

Last week, Sean Hannity featured six -- what he called Average
Americans who were feeling the pain of ObamaCare from canceled policies to
financial burdens for small business owners.

So, let`s take the interest of a former aid, Montana Governor, Brian
Switzer. He did some research and turns out none of them have actually
looked into the exchanges. Actually, they would save money under
ObamaCare. Congressman, have you ever seen such a misinformation campaign
effort by anybody anywhere? I mean, this -- I mean, if this is what 2014
is going to be like, we`re going to end up spending most of our time
correcting lies.

GARAMENDI: Well, they`ve spent over $400 million attacking the
Affordable Care Act in one way or another to various advertisement (ph)
misinformation, all the rest. But the fact of the matter is they`re not
really talking about the insurance reforms that are already in place.
Children or young adults, 18 to 26 can stay on their parents. There is a
couple of million .

SCHULTZ: Well, they can find those people, you know? The Fox News
can`t seem -- they can`t find any of those people. They must not be around
very often.

GARAMENDI: Well, they`re not looking (inaudible) young demographic
apparently. But then you take a look at anybody with a preexisting
condition has now the opportunity to get health insurance. That wasn`t the
case a year and a half go. The Affordable Healthcare Act is actually
protecting Americans all across this nation. And by the way, keep hearing
about the cost of healthcare going up. Oh yeah, it`s going up, it`s going
up every year for the last 30 years, however, in the last two years, the
rate of inflation is about one half of what it was before the Affordable
Healthcare Act.

So that curve is actually bending downwards. This is good news.
There`s a lot of good news here. What is really bad news is the continued
effort to try to stop Americans from getting health insurance and try to
roll (ph) back to clock, so that Americans have to face healthcare
discrimination because the women -- because they have a preexisting
condition or because they happened to be 18 and can no longer be on their
parent`s policies.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

GARAMENDI: Those days are over, Ed. We`re on a good track here.

SCHULTZ: We`re on a great track. And the republicans have damage
their brand, a lot of self-inflicted wounds and they`ve got record of
voting in the wrong -- the wrong way where Americans -- a 144 of your
colleagues, Congressman, in the house voted to send this country into
default and we`re supposed to believe that you can negotiate with these
folks, we just thrown away $24 billion, you sit on (inaudible) services
over on the House side, an aircraft carrier $6.2 billion, I mean, they`re
going to be asking for military spending and yet, they just throw their
stuff away, but I want to get back to the number of 144.

GARAMENDI: Yeah.

SCHULTZ: You know, there -- is there an ideological log jam (ph) here
that`s just not going to be able to be broken?

GARAMENDI: Well, I think it is going to break. I was out -- I had a
meeting that actually a celebration, the California Waterfowl Association,
the opening of duck season (ph), we`re talking about conservatives and they
were very, very angry, angry about those who caused the shutdown. They
want things to move on. They`re business people. They want their
businesses to have some certainty ahead of them. They`re frightened.
There is concern that these guys are going to -- would do it once a gain.
But they`re not going to stand for it. They are turning their backs away
from these radicals. These are total irresponsibility. I was really not
surprised but really I think actually pleased to see these folks saying,
"We can`t do this. This isn`t good for us. It`s not good for the
economy."

SCHULTZ: So, you were taken by their level of disgust?

GARAMENDI: Yes.

SCHULTZ: Well, does this play to 2014? I mean, this is a pretty bad
hang over the republicans have right now. We`re going into budget
committee. We got the win at our back. The progressive movement is very
strong and polls very favorably with the American people. And I think a
lot of it, John, has to do with the fact that the democrats have been
focused on workers and focused on the middle class has been a very
consistent message, whereas over on the other side is been just all
negativity, like that piece we just played about ObamaCare over on Fox
News. I mean, they`re trying to make a living and gain their party favor
by constant negative attacks.

GARAMENDI: Well, that`s absolutely true. I know that what we want to
do and certainly by making (ph) it America initiative where we`re trying to
figure out ways to use American taxpayer money to buy American make goods
and services.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

GARAMENDI: . those kinds of things and the creation of jobs. We
really have to move this economy. And if we do so, Ed, the economy is like
a race horse in the starting gate. They hear that trumpet but the dog (ph)
on gates not opening because his 144 members of congress keep slamming to
(ph) shut on it.

SCHULTZ: That`s right. Well, John Garamendi, Congressman from
California, if you can get those guys with shotguns and (inaudible) to
turnover to democrats, that is a huge win.

GARAMENDI: Well, I think to say (ph) they`re going to go that far,
Ed. That`s the little leap.

SCHULTZ: All right, John, good to have with you us tonight. Thank
you.

GARAMENDI: You got it.

SCHULTZ: You bet. Coming up, Michele Bachmann calls republicans the
adults in the room. We`ll have some more from the queen of distortion.
Plus, talk about dysfunction, a disgrace former congressman gives his
opinion about the Republican Party. But next, I`m taking your questions on
Ask Ed Live, coming up next on MSNBC, The Ed Show. Stay with us.

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SCHULTZ: Thanks for watching tonight. I love this segment. I love
hearing from our viewers. Tonight in our Ask Ed Live, our first question
comes from Francis R. She wants to know our people fed up with the Tea
Party yet? Well, you can`t find a poll out there, the things the Tea Party
is doing anything positive very small, maybe 30 percent.

You know, when I think about the Tea Party, I think about sales in
business. When you`re in business and you`re trying to sell somebody, the
first thing you got to do is you got to get their attention. Then, you got
to present. And then, you got a close. Now, the Tea Party does a heck of
a job of getting your attention and they do a heck of a job of presenting
but they just can`t close because their product sucks.

Our next question is from Lana Williams. And she wants to know, will
the United States be able to get its good reputation back? You know what,
I head to London tomorrow. Next week I get to speak at Oxford University.
I`ve been excited about this for the last several months. I`m honored to
be asked to go speak at the Oxford Debating Society. I`m going to talk
about austerity, but I am so interested to find out what the Brits think
about what America has gone through and where is our reputation. I feel
confident that, yes, we can get it back but it would be a heck of a lot
better if we have people in congress who knew what $24 billion could really
do for our economy.

Stick around. Rapid Response Panel is next.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Since the deal was struck late
Wednesday night, republicans have been making the rounds trying their best
to spin the government shutdown disaster in their favor. Case in point,
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann.

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REP. MICHELE BACHMANN (R) MINNESOTA: I voted no on the bill because
this means Barack Obama got a 100 percent of what he wanted. He stands
from the very beginning as no negotiation. In fact, one of his senior
administration officials a week ago said that they were willing to push the
country into default and that`s what`s precedented. He rolled the dice.
He knew that republicans would be willing to be the adults in the room to
make sure that country didn`t go into default. He was willing to let it
default and we`re at the results that we are tonight.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Oh my friends, do not adjust your television sets, you heard
that correctly Michele Bachmann has the audacity to call the republicans
the adults in the room. Talk about a complete lack of self-awareness.

87 House Republicans and 27 Senate Republicans supported President
Obama to avoid the potential worldwide economic disaster inflicted by their
own party. And that kind of like expecting to be called the hero for
putting out the fire that you started? On another note, if the republicans
who voted to avoid default where the adults in the room, what is that make
Congresswoman Michele Bachmann? She voted against it. Bachmann continued
her out of touch tour telling MINNPOST, "To me it`s a very sad day because
Obama`s agenda is going to go forward and he gets an immediate victory
lap."

In Michele Bachmann`s world it`s a very sad day when parks and museums
and monuments reopen across the country, when research projects in vital
community program can get back to work. When agencies like the EPA and the
FSA finally get the resources they need to function to help Americans who
paid for it. To Michele Bachmann, it`s a very sad day when some 800, 000
furloughed workers get back to go to work.

Folks, in my opinion, it`s a very sad day when elected officials put a
PR stunt and advance their own celebrity ahead of the needs of their
constituents. (Inaudible) the American people know that, reckless
ideologues and their sounds bites don`t put food on the table. Michele
Bachmann has done nothing for jobs and neither have the republicans.

Joining me now in our Rapid Response Panel, Talk Radio Consultant
Radio, Holland Cooke is with us tonight, also Stephanie Miller, Host of the
Stephanie Miller Radio Show, and Occupy Wall Street protester Jesse LaGreca
whose wife is in our green room about ready to deliver a baby. But the
show must go on.

Jesse, congratulations before it happens. All right, Holland Cooke,
let me ask you is Michele Bachmann just being propped up by right wing
radio? She is just a product of their environment and she`s really a tool
for this psychos?

HOLLAND COOKE, TALK RADIO CONSULTANT: I think she`s going to actually
Vorlich (ph) just to punch up that accent, but to be fair to Michelle,
she`s about to confront a very jarring transition. In various capacities
she`s made a living all her life as a government employee and when she
leaves congress she`s actually going to have to enter the arena she claims
the champion, the private sector if you think she`s going to go back home
to Minnesota and do (ph) middle point you`re nuts. What a former congress
people do when they retire? They consult, they go to history (ph) and
become a lobbyist, we`ll see.

SCHULTZ: But, you know what, Stephanie, I kind of see Michelle
Bachmann as the same role of a (inaudible). I mean, she`s going to be out
there being the (inaudible). She is going to play a very vital role for
the conservative movement when she`s out of congress next year.

STEPHANIE MILLER, RADIO TALK SHOW HOST: Good news for us Ed.

SCHULTZ: Yes, it is.

MILLER: But this just jeeps getting better. Yeah, can you imagine
her saying, "This is sad day?" I mean, granted (ph), it was a not a sadder
day as when Marcus found out that Glee was getting canceled. But still,
Ed, it was a sad day in the Bachmann household. But she was the one who
was on record as saying, "We got exactly what we wanted." This is the
happiest I`ve seen members in a long time. So, I think she`s the person
that party that people are like, "No, Michele, that`s the stuff you don`t
say out loud. We just say that in back room." It`s hilarious. And I want
to say congratulations to Jesse too. I`m glad the shutdown is over for you
and your wife and the birth is going forward, congratulations.

SCHULTZ: That`s right. Jesse, what are you thinking at this hour,
your wife`s getting ready to have a baby? I`ll just ask you a personal
question now.

JESSE LAGRECA, OCCUPY WALL STREET PROTESTER: They`ve lost their
minds. And, what`s really strange is bad news for America is great, it was
for them. Their facial expressions don`t match what`s going on. It
reminds me of the Benghazi moment during the Obama ran the campaign where
the Romney campaign was like, "Isn`t this great Americas being attacked and
it`s all Obama`s fault." And that weird (ph) out Americans. It weird (ph)
out the normal person who doesn`t just think like harming his presidency is
the greatest thing we can achieve in the next three years.

So, I`m looking forward to my daughter coming and saving the world
eventually, because I don`t know what it`s going to take to fix this nut
case (ph).

SCHULTZ: I`ll tell you what, we did the help we can get. There`s no
question about it. Let`s turn to another example of republicans treading
(ph) water. Half term Alaska Governor Sarah Palin sat down Fox News Megyn
Kelly on Thursday. Palin has some trouble responding to President Obama`s
claim that the government shutdown hurt American credibility abroad. Just
listen to the runt from the queen of critique (ph).

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SARAH PALIN, (R) FORMER GOVERNOR OF ALASKA: What has involving
enemies is he wouldn`t doubling of our debts since he`s been elected,
putting on path towards bankruptcy, and then lucky enough pipelines and
resources that will result in us being more reliant on foreign imports for
energy. And then of course he having left behind his administration, left
behind our brave men in Benghazi to be murdered, and then of course there`s
Syria where he promised to bomb Syria because in that Civil War Syria was
going to bomb Syria and then we never heard another word again about his
threat to bomb in foreign Civil War.

And then of course most recently, Megyn, using our military, those who
would fight against our enemies our military, our vets, shutting down their
memorials and holding them hostage in terms of budget deals, threatening to
withhold paychecks for our brave men and women.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Stephanie Miller, is it me or did Megyn Kelly have a look on
her face? Is she really on my program?

MILLER: Ed, I`m sorry I didn`t have a care (inaudible) of barbie to
English headset. It looks like Megyn Kelly had me (ph) either. Megyn
Kelly looks like she just lost the will to live about 10 seconds into that.

SCHULTZ: She has a priceless look on her face like, is this idiot
really on my program?

MILLER: Like I think her thought probably Ed, was what fresh hell
have Roger Ailes brought (ph) on me now

COOKE: It did.

SCHULTZ: Oh, Holland Cooke responded in. So, I mean that`s just a
...

COOKE: Hey ...

SCHULTZ: I had not seen that (inaudible) until right. But, that
expression of Megyn Kelly is just absolutely priceless.

COOKE: Listen, first things first, serendipitously I visited the
Lincoln Memorial the day before that paint (ph) flinging incident. It`s
really important to secure those monuments and it`s really cynical of her
jumping out of plane flying across the continent that jump in front of the
parade, but of course Ted Cruz is the shinny object of the moment. He is
the flavor of the month. And, if you`re Sarah Palin you are groping for
relevance.

Right now Sarah Palin is a little like the Seinfeld reruns that have
been in syndication for a couple of decades. When you watch Seinfeld, it`s
still funny but you can tell it is of another time. And Sarah Palin use to
make a lot of money filling arenas. Now, she can still make a living
filling theaters but it`s not quite the same. So, she`s got to jump on the
plane to do this cynical photo up at the memorial. That`s kind of sad.

SCHULTZ: Jesse, all of the psycho talk that is out there being
supplied in the wake of the shutdown and the ramifications of it and what
not, and then course we`re just kicking the can down the road, is this
really a big boost for the Occupy movement? I mean -- I think seriously
the Occupy movement in this country changed the conversation and focus on
what -- I think Americas were really concerned about and that was greed
(ph) income, inequality. Where does all of that go in the wake of this?

LAGRECA: I`m not quite sure if I`d call it a boost, but if you wanted
to compare and contrast, like what is Occupy Wall Street done versus what
does the Tea Party done? Well, Occupy Wall Street didn`t caused America
$24 billion. We didn`t shut down the government across the country. We
didn`t caused people their pay checks really.

When you compare what the two sides are fighting for, Occupy Wall
Street talked about creating a better economy, or 100 percent of America
recognizing the fact that the wealthy is 1 percent are basically profiting
off the rest of us and taking the money out of politics. The Tea Party
wants more money in politics; Ted Cruz is going to hold up the FCC chairman
if he doesn`t allow more David co-commercials (ph) with no recognition of
who`s paying for them. The Tea Party has basically proven to America that
if the concerns actually get more conservative every independent voter in
America will run screening in the opposite direction.

SCHULTZ: All right, Jesse LaGreca.

MILLER: Jesse, can I say real quick to your daughter who isn`t even
born yet and she`s the adult in the room compared to anybody in the Tea
Party right now?

LAGRECA: Oh, yeah (inaudible) in my house ...

COOKE: Congratulations.

LAGRECA: ... (inaudible) and the Republicans Party. So, we know that
(ph).

SCHULTZ: Jesse LaGreca, Stephanie Miller, Holland Cooke, great to
have you on the Ed Show on this Friday. Thanks so much. Coming up its
decision time for Detroit bankruptcy, could set the stage for a long line
of controversial cuts. What options do workers have left? Larry Cohen
joins us next. Stay with us.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And in Pretenders tonight, a real Canadian love story. CNN
has disgraced former Congressman, Tom Delay for his view on republican
dysfunction. The lord of the dance didn`t see problems, he only saw a
hero.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)]

TOM DELAY, FORMER CONGRESSMAN (R) TEXAS: I got to tell you right now.
I hear in the real world outside of New York and Washington, D.C, these
people think Ted Cruz is a hero. They think that those republicans in the
House are heroes and they think that Obama is destroying this country.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: No. No. No. No. No. I was present (ph) in Hannigan,
Western North Dakota last week and I actually run in some people who do not
think that Ted Cruz is a hero in real America. Unfortunately, the love
(ph) for Cruz was not a (inaudible) exclusive. The network has been
peddling out Cruz groupies by the barrel.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think Ted Cruz is a populous hero at the moment
because he stood up and basically said the emperor has no flaws (ph).

PIERS MORGAN, CNN HOST: But he said Ted Cruz hero or villain in all
this?

BEN FERGUSON, POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think he`s a brilliant guy
that is going to end up being a hero, absolutely coming out of this.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s why Ted Cruz is such a hero.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Hero? What are these people smoking? (Inaudible) admirers
(ph) as far from reporting on Senator Cruz`s path of distraction of CNN
thinks this quality of commentator has at a real contribution to news.
They can just keep on pretending.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Progressives, let`s get to work. America needs to pay
attention and stay vocal and stay active. So, here`s a look at the top
three stories ahead next week in Fast Forward.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Coming in at number three, Garden State Equality

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Knowledge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe that marriage would be between one man
and one woman.

SCHULTZ: New Jersey`s high court rules on same-sex marriages.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is a human right issue. This governor
equates it with guns and taxes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is it fabulous (ph)?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh.

SCHULTZ: Fast forward to number two, London calling.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you ready for this?

SCHULTZ: They want to hear from a liberal and the perspective of a
liberal in American politics.

Next week I`ll visit Oxford University.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s going to give (inaudible).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (Inaudible).

SCHULTZ: And our number one story to watch, Detroit in court.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We need to resolve this issue with the city
government of Detroit, because that`s the last stops in my view to say now
we can grow Detroit.

SCHULTZ: On Wednesday, the city`s bankruptcy eligibility will be
argued.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody in this city shares the same dream of
the Detroit we want.

SCHULTZ: Joining me now is Larry Cohen President of Communications
Workers of America. Mr. Cohen, great to have with us tonight. This is a
big story next week for America. Many people think that Detroit`s
bankruptcy could be a model for other cities who run into financial
trouble.

Your thoughts on this and also fighting legislation around the country
and state levels that are going to empower the governors to circumvent
local elections and do what has happened in Detroit. How does this unpack
(ph)?

LARRY COHEN, PRESIDENT OF COMMUNICATION WORKERS OF AMERICA: Well,
couple of things. First of all, this use of bankruptcy is brought right
from the private sector. How or what are other ways, whether it`s
corporate America or in this case a governor who doesn`t care about Detroit
at all. How do we use bankruptcy court to get the rights of retirees?
That`s really what`s at stake (ph) here.

And we just came through the fight at Peabody call -- Peabody call
(ph) largely lost and have to settle up with retired minors. This is about
retired city workers. But this is more importantly about how Governor
Snyder divides and conquers Michigan, wants to be the governor only of
suburban Michigan, writes off his largest city, the people who live there,
and depends on us not standing up for each other.

And working Americans and retirees have to realize these are our
fights in common, protecting the retirement income of those who have
served, protecting the retirement income of those who had worked in the
private sector and then a bankruptcy court gets it whether in airline
industry or for minors.

SCHULTZ: Well, I mean, I just think that this is such a potential
model for right wing extremist in state government across America when
their states don`t get federal money or don`t want to tax the wealthiest
residents in a position of tax fairness.

In fact, 60 minutes of the story the other day and the correspondent
asked Kevin Orr, the Financial Emergency Manager who is appointed by the
governor. So, what about these people with pensions? He just shrugged his
shoulders and said I`m sorry. I mean, that`s what`s out there for people
who have spent 30 years working for the city of Detroit because they
couldn`t run their finances, I think it`s (ph) both terrible for workers.
Your thoughts.

COHEN: Yeah. Well, I think whether we live in Detroit or not we need
to stand up for the people who do and we need to say send a clear message,
that whether it`s in Michigan or New Jersey or Wisconsin, or all the other
places where people got elected by divide and conquer that we`re going to
unite, stand up, and fight back. As working Americans we`re not going to
get out the wedge (ph) essentially between public private sector between
retired and active workers. We understand these attacks are coming in
cycles, wave after wave. We only stop them if we stand up together and for
each other.

SCHULTZ: I mean, how do you protect somebody`s pension against
something like this?

COHEN: Well, again, there`s the legal aspects and (inaudible) other
unions will be doing that. But there`s also the moral outrage .

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

COHEN: . that I saw in Saint Louis when I was there with retired
minors has nothing to do with my organization but has everything to do with
what kind of a country are we going to have and we need to say not only the
bankruptcy judges but to elected officials in this case in the corporate
America turn your back on your retirees and we`ll be on your back, because
we will stand up and we will fight back against this.

SCHULTZ: All right. Larry Cohen, CWA great to have you with us
tonight. I appreciate your time. That is the big story coming up next
week, just what is going to happen in Detroit. That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed
Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al Sharpton starts now. Good
evening, Rev.

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