The Ed Show for Monday, February 9th, 2015
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Show: THE ED SHOW
Date: February 9, 2015
Guest: Reese Halter, Tiernan Sittenfeld, Mike Papantonio, Mike Rogers,
ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York.
Let`s get to work.
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PRES. BARACK OBAMA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: It`s not a sexy story.
SCHULTZ: Tonight, President Obama sounds off on the biggest issue of our
OBAMA: Climate change is one that is happening at such a broad scale.
REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: Clearly, we`ve had changes in our
OBAMA: I`ve heard some folks try to dodge the evidence by saying, they`re
BOEHNER: Let the scientists debate the sources in their opinion of that
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve heard of off the charts.
SCHULTZ: Later, Al Gore`s dream takes flight.
AL GORE, FORMER VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Because satellite was
in the storage for decade and a half.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That`s where the Deep Space Climate Observatory
satellite mission better known as DSCOVR comes in.
GORE: You are use to DSCOVR being down here. It`s probably -- it`s very
exciting for me.
SCHULTZ: Plus, an Alabama judge speaks out against equality.
CHIEF JUSTICE ROY MOORE, ALABAMA SUPREME COURT: When people finally can
create rights, there`s no end to the power of good God (ph)...
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
We start this evening with some brutally honest remarks coming from
President Obama on climate change. In an interview with Vox, that would V-
O-X, President Obama said the media overstates the risk of terrorism
compared to climate change.
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MATTHEW YGLESIAS, EXECUTIVE EDITOR AT VOX: Do you think the media
sometimes overstates this sort of level of alarm people should have about
terrorism and this kind of chaos, as opposed to...
YGLESIAS: ... a longer-term problem of climate change and epidemic
OBAMA: Absolutely. And, you know, I don`t blame the media for that. You
know, what`s the famous saying about the local newscast, right? If it
bleeds, it leads, right? You show crime stories and you show fires because
that`s what folks watch. It`s all been about ratings.
And the climate change is one that is happening at such a broad scale and
at such a complex system that it`s a hard story for -- I think the media to
tell on a day-to-day basis.
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SCHULTZ: President Obama thinks that media clings to stories like
terrorist attacks because it`s easier to cover and it rates.
Climate change is more complex, it`s long-term and difficult for the press
to get excited about it and cover it. We`ve tried to do it on this program
cover climate change. We think it`s important extensively to the point
where we have exhausted coverage of the Keystone XL pipeline. And we also
think extreme weather events around the country are very important and we
think it`s all connected to climate change.
At this hour, New England is being slammed by its third major snowstorm in
three weeks. The storm is expected to dump two feet of snow in parts of
the region. Sound normal to you? It could bring the snow totals in some
areas up to 80 inches and we still got a lot of winter left. That means
digging out of 6.5 feet of snow.
Over the past three weeks, snow plows in Massachusetts have moved enough
snow to filled Gillette Stadium 90 times. Well the Mayor of Boston, Marty
Walsh says it`s a record setting winter.
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MAYOR MARTY WALSH, (D) BOSTON: These storms that we`re getting is
unprecedented. We`ve never seen this type of snow here in the city of
Boston in any other time in the history of our city. And this discussion
that could be more snow at the end of the week.
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SCHULTZ: Severe weather like this that we`re seeing in New England is
really becoming part for the course. There`s little doubt among scientists
severe weather and climate change are clearly connected. A new study from
Georisk research shows world natural catastrophes have been steadily
increasing. In 1980, there were roughly 400 catastrophes. In 2014 it was
close to 1,000, easy math to do.
Some of these events are happening right here. For instance, other
extremes. California is experiencing its worst drought in over 1,200
years. San Francisco just saw its first January without rain, not a drop
of rain for 165 years. Last summer, we saw record wildfires in the state
of Washington, parts of Lake Erie turned into a toxic algae bloom during
the warming temperatures. And of course in January, NOAA announced 2014
was the warmest record on global records. I mean, you go one, two, three,
four, five, it`s one after another.
These are record breaking times when it comes to severe weather.
Meanwhile, Republicans, what did they do? They deny science and they say
that man is not the problems when it comes to climate change. It`s rather
Last month, Senator Brian Schatz attached an amendment to Keystone XL Bill
saying, "Human activity significantly contributes to climate change". 49
Republicans voted against the amendment including the new chairman of the
environment and public works committee.
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SEN. JIM INHOFE, (R) OKLAHOMA: Climate has always changed and always will.
There`s archeological evidence of that, there`s biblical evidence of that,
there`s historic evidence of that. It will always change. The hoax is
that there are some people who are so arrogant to think that they are so
powerful they can change climate, man can`t change climate.
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SCHULTZ: Clearly, science means nothing to Senator Inhofe. A few days
later, Senate Republicans approved the Keystone XL pipeline. It`s just the
latest step in their radical agenda to let oil companies run amok, do
whatever they want. Some Republicans want to eliminate the Environmental
Protection Agency. They don`t know why they just say they don`t like
regulations as if they don`t anything good at all. They want to drill now
off the East Coast and the President is wrong on this to allow it to happen
and they wanted to drill in National Parks.
As we`ve documented on this show, there is no such thing as safe oil
drilling or pipelines.
I was down on the gulf this weekend covering the aftermath of the BP
Deepwater Horizon disaster. Almost five years later and the gulf is still
If science denying Republicans had their way, all our oceans and public
lands would be at risk. They want to drill everywhere.
Next week on the Ed Show we`re going to bring you a five part series on the
gulf. We`ll tell you about the destroyed lives and businesses, the
environmental impact, the health issues that people are dealing with. And
just what is BP doing when it comes to financial restitution. Our series
starts next Monday, "The Gulf Today Five Years after the Spill".
And tonight, let me introduce to you to what is known down in the gulf as a
tarball. This is oil. This was oil that was released from the oil spill
five years ago. And then they put the chemical Corexit on it and of course
the mass comes together, it drops to the bottom of the gulf and this
tarball was picked up in recent days by a shrimp boat in the gulf.
Now, this is what`s happening. This isn`t being reported anywhere. The
bottom line is the gulf is still a major story. Did you know that $20
billion that they committed for restitution for all the people who`re hurt
on the gulf. No, only $4 billion has been paid off. Do you know that
there`s a tremendous amount of litigation that taking place right now and
lives have been destroyed, careers have been lost and there`s a tremendous
amount of strive in the gulf right now. But if you see the commercials and
you listen to the PR hacks (ph) out there, you think, oh, hell the gulf is
on the roll. It is not.
We will bring you the story next week here on the Ed Show.
Get your cellphones out. I want to know what you think. Tonight`s
question, "Do you think Republicans will ever admit humans cause climate
change? Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622, you can leave a comment on
our blog at ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring the results later on in the show.
For more on our discussion tonight, let me bring in Dr. Reese Halter
Conservation Biologist at MUSE school, also Tiernan Sittenfeld is with us
tonight, she is a League of Conservation Voters and also, Mike Papantonio,
Ring of Fire Radio host and America`s attorney.
Gentlemen -- ladies and gentlemen, great to have to have you with us
tonight. It`s good to be back in New York. And Mike, you did some work
with us this weekend down in the gulf. It was absolutely amazing in what
If I may focus back first of all to climate. Dr. Halter, are you off your
rocker because there are some people in the Congress that are in total
denial and say that people like you are nothing but an extremist when you
talk about all the extremes that we`re seeing right now. In fact, they`ve
been around for a long time. What`s your response to the way the
Republicans are talking about climate change?
DR. REESE HALTER, CONSERVATION BIOLOGIST: Yeah. Well, good evening, Ed.
You know, all I want to say is, let`s take a look at nature. Nature shows
those that are looking and those that have trained for 30 plus years what`s
going down. Let`s go back to 2010, Ed.
In California, which by the way supplies $44.7 billion per annum of
agriculture to our nation, we are the number one producer. And 50 percent
of everything on your dinner plate comes from our state. Now, the
honeybees produce 27.5 million pounds of honey in 2010. That honey winds
up in your favorite cereals, in your bread, in your beverages, in your
sausage. In 2013, three years into our deep drought 10.9 million pounds of
honey was produced. A 61 percent drop. 2014 the numbers are in, my
friends tell me those numbers are lower.
Look, the trees in these droughts and the plants aren`t producing flowers.
They`re not producing flowers the bees can`t go in for their nectar but
worse that means that our food supply is in jeopardy.
SCHULTZ: All right.
HALTER: I`ll say it again. We`ve got to future-proof our nation now.
SITTENFELD: Tiernan, what`s your response to the President`s comments that
the media and climate change just don`t seem to mix very well, that we`re
ambulance chasing. I mean that`s by paraphrasing it, that`s basically what
the President says if it bleeds it leads, well I can tell you that gulf is
bleeding and I`m going to tell that story next week.
But the President is saying the climate change doesn`t get the coverage it
deserves. What`s your response to that?
TIERNAN SITTENFELD, LEAGUE OF CONSERVATION AND VOTERS: I think
historically, climate change has not gotten the attention that it deserves
but I think actually ED, thanks to people like you there is more and more
appropriate attention to the incredible calamity of climate change that`s
clearly happening more quickly and more severely than scientist had
predicted. Whether it`s the algae bloom in Toledo, Ohio that prevented
500,000 people from drinking their own water, that droughts, the forest
fires that you have talked about.
So whether has not been enough attention to the problems, I think that we
are seeing that start to change and I hope that more and more people will
follow your lead. Because the thing that`s encouraging is that there are
so many solutions at our disposal whether it`s doubling down on energy
efficiency, on clean renewable energy like wind and solar, on cutting
carbon pollution and yes, keeping the dirtiest fuels on the ground like Tar
Sands oil in the ground for good.
SCHULTZ: Mike, the President says climate change coverage doesn`t rate?
What your response to that?
MIKE PAPANTONIO, RING OF FIRE RADIO: Well, a large number of mediales (ph)
have made a potentially catastrophic climate change story into snooze, in
snowier moment for a couple of reasons.
First the American public is now officially reading and comprehending
around on middle school levels so it make it easy for Fox to come in with a
10-second sound bites, and simply take the story and make it into a
Second, Americans are experiencing this. They`re not experiencing this
dust bowl neighborhood like we see in Texas and California. They can`t see
oceans creeping up to their front door. They see winter storm chaos and
they don`t understand that they`re already experiencing climate change.
They don`t get that because at the same time, they`re seeing these worst
storms take place. They`re listening to Fox quality soft more comments
about how snow storms prove that there is no global warming so it`s
difficult to explain the science behind that in a 10-seconds sound bite.
Also there`s this overwhelming amount of corporate and billionaire money
being pumped into think tanks lobbying fraudulent Astroturf groups to
convince us not to worry that it`s all a big hoax.
PAPANTONIO: The ship really isn`t sinking. Ignore all the water that`s on
And so its complex and you can`t really blame the media entirely. It`s a
tough story to tell in 10 seconds. And when you have competitors like
these think tanks in Fox News destroying the effort to tell the story, it
becomes very difficult.
SCHULTZ: Well the denial by elected officials is utterly amazing. Now,
Reese, you do think that there`s any doubt that climate change and severe
weather patterns are connected?
HALTER: Well, there is no doubt, Ed. And as a matter of fact -- if we
went down to Miami and you ask the mayor, they`ve got a very big problem.
They`re below sea level and my colleague two weeks ago at Harvard released
a paper showing that sea level is actually rising 25 percent faster than we
Again, for every problem there are at least three solutions.
Now, we mortals on Main Street that can translate into jobs...
HALTER: ... into future-proofing and it`s going to happen, Ed.
SCHULTZ: Tiernan, is the media from your standpoint would they -- if they
did a better job and focused more and I think that`s basically what the
President was asking the media to do, that it would eliminate these
deniers, that it would turn some heads, that maybe their attitude would be
SITTENFELD: Absolutely. Although there`s been progress clearly that media
needs to focused a lot more on climate science, on asking members of
Congress and people running for president, do they deny the basic science
of climate change, are they going to side with polluting industries or are
they going to stand up for future generations and really try to protect the
And I think, again, we had started to see some change but more and more we
need to see calling...
SITTENFELD: ... out of the more than a hundred climate change deniers in
Congress. That is simply outrageous. There was a little bit of progress
with the amendment that Senator Schatz offered. There were actually five
Republicans in the Senate who acknowledge that climate change is happening
and that humans are significantly contributing to it but that does beg the
Well, if you think its happening then what is the solution? What are the
actions that we should take? Should we be cutting carbon pollution from
coal burning power plants and absolutely the answered yes...
SITTENFELD: ... and overwhelmingly in support of it.
SCHULTZ: Well, I think that the media did spend more time on it, that
there would be some attitudes changing and I think you can use BP as an
example Mike Papantanio, they`ve told a lot of people that things are OK in
the gulf. Don`t worry about it.
PAPANTONIO: Yeah. BP is spending millions of dollars a month to convince
the rest of the country that there is no problem here and look the other
way. And they`re using the science denial. It`s destroyed the ecosystem
down here on the coast. Anybody who`s knowledgeable, who will the face the
facts knows that. But the real ugly part of the story Ed is that there`s
not enough pressure on BP.
Somebody has got to step on their neck...
PAPANTONIO: ... and make sure that they do what they`re supposed to do.
When you were down here, when MSNBC was covering this story, all of a
sudden people are saying, they`re grateful for the idea that the media is
again paying attention to a story that has not going away.
There are still dolphins coming up on the shore and just (inaudible)...
SCHULTZ: We`ll show you pictures of Cat Island that you won`t believe.
Remember, Cat Island five years ago? You got to see it today. It`s all
coming up next week.
Dr. Reese Halter, Tiernan Sittenfeld and also Mike Papantonio, great to
have you with us tonight. Thank you so much.
Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen. I
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Show, and like us on Facebook. We appreciate that.
Coming up, Alabama slammer, a conservative judge tries to slam the door on
equal rights for the same sex couples. Plus, President Obama talks about
Russian aggression and what it means for international intervention in
Keep it here. We`ll be right back.
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MOORE: Nobody`s delivers you (ph), don`t you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah.
MOORE: The Supreme Court?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.
MOORE: Nobody delivers you to come before God and say we`re entitled to
violate every rule you`ve made.
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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show.
This morning Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore learned the Supreme Court
delivers the final word. Alabama probate judges begin issuing marriage
licenses to same-sex couples despite Moore`s last minute attempts to stop
them. Federal judge struck down.
Alabama`s ban on same-sex marriages last month calling it unconstitutional.
The judge put her ruling on-hold until today in order to give the Supreme
Court time to intervene.
Late Sunday night, Moore issued a letter ordering local officials to deny
marriage licenses to gay couples. Moore said those who violate his order
would face a reprimand by Governor Robert Bentley.
It`s a desperate and dramatic 11th-hour move. Many were reprimanded --
reminded should I say of a moments on 51 years ago.
In June of 1963, Alabama Governor George Wallace stood in front of the
state house door in the University of Alabama. He tried to block two black
students from registering for classes. Wallace didn`t have the authority
to stop integration. Wallace will be remembered for standing up against
Roy Moore is now trying to block the courthouse door. It`s unclear how
much weight Moore`s order will actually carry.
This morning, the Supreme Court announced that it would not intervene to
stop marriage equality rulings from going into affect in Alabama.
Alabama now joins 36 states around the country in the district of Colombia
in allowing same-sex marriage.
Joining me tonight on this issue is Mike Rogers of rawstory.com. Mike,
good to have you with us tonight.
I guess we`re going to back to the 1950s or 1960s here. But as you see it,
first of all, what`s your reaction to this and what authority does Moore
actually have here as you see it?
MIKE ROGERS, RAWSTORY.COM: Well, I think he hit the nail on the head these
guys want to drag us back to the 1960s. What Moore did was basically tell
the judges in his state that they could not follow, that they have to not
marry and issue licenses for lesbian and gay couples and same-sex couples.
But the governor who kind of wants to write defenses said he will not
prosecute any judges who go ahead and issued married licenses.
So people in the state are getting married and I think that`s really what
the most important thing is that hundreds of couples are able to walk down
the aisle and, you know, nothing horrible is happening all over the state.
SCHULTZ: So, what if a judge does deny to issue the license? What are gay
couples could do?
ROGERS: There is one case that we`ve heard of where judge has refused to
open the office and a same-sex couple that went they`re decided to file a
case that would put, that would hold their judging contempt. So, those
that don`t want to do or avoiding it at this point -- and as I`ve said he
wouldn`t even open this morning...
ROGERS: ... to issue those licenses.
SCHULTZ: At least, 8 of the states 67 counties were told are still
blocking same-sex marriage licenses, so what is next in this fight?
ROGERS: Well, you know, it`s unbelievable. There are four cases right
down before the Supreme Court that they have accepted as a group from
Michigan, Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee.
So, that`s really -- what everybody is expecting is that we`ll hear those
cases in a (inaudible) finally and we hope the court will once and for all
say marriage equality for same-sex couples is required across America and
then it`s a constitutional right.
So, as I said earlier, these are kind of sideshows. You have Roy Moore who
thinks he is going to stop the courts of history. He`s already been tossed
out once from his position on that court because of his refusal is to
follow the Supreme Court and now he`s trying to do it again.
You know, basically, pandering to his electorate at this point.
SCHULTZ: Well, how much confidence do you have that the Alabama Governor,
Governor Bentley is not going to take action? You know, that he`s not
going to do anything against elected officials who fail to follow Alabama
ROGERS: Well, he put out this statement today that said he wouldn`t. Of
course, sometimes these guys get so much political pressure that they have
to sway based on what they know -- against what they know is right.
So it really remains to be seen over the long haul what he`ll do,
particularly in places where this judge for example has refused to open the
office in order to grant marriage licenses to same-sex couple.
ROGERS: And it will be interesting to see if he steps up and fulfills his
responsibility under the court.
Somebody needs to educate Roy Moore apparently, again, that the federal
courts who precede the state courts in this country...
SCHULTZ: Do you think that there is a parallel between George Wallace back
in the day when he was trying to stop the inauguration of the University of
Alabama and what`s happening right now?
ROGERS: I do. I mean, here we have government officials who are refusing
to cooperate and put forth the things that they`re supposed to for their
electorate. I also don`t want to diminish, you know, a lot of the violence
that was going on in the 1960s that we`re not seeing as much of that and
those kinds of things but we`re still seeing some of it.
So there are some similarities seriously. Hopefully, again, this will be
seeing as a sideshow in just a couple of months when it comes to marriage
equality in across America.
SCHULTZ: And finally, do you think gay couples in Alabama will just not
get married? Do you think this will curb the unions of gay couples?
ROGERS: You know, we`ve seen time and time again throughout history what
people will do to secure their equal rights. And I think that they will
not sit back if there`s a courtroom or a probate judge who will sit back
and not let them get married. We`ll hear people go into other counties.
People -- all people want is the right to equality and the same protections
for their spouses and for their kids and that`s all anybody is seeking.
And as we`ve see it, it`s really heading that way and these guys are, you
know, nano (ph) thoughts when it comes to this business.
SCHULTZ: No doubt.
Mike Rogers, great to have you with us tonight. Rawstory.com, one of my
ROGERS: Thank you, Ed.
SCHULTZ: ... no doubt, great work.
Coming up, tough talk on Russia. We`ll talk about the latest round of
international negotiations. Will Putin back down at all? And later, a
legacy of racial equality from one of the greatest of college sports.
Next, your questions Ask Ed Live coming up here on the Ed Show. We`ll be
SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. I appreciate all your questions in
our Ask Ed Live segment.
Our first question tonight comes from Thomas. He wants to know, what will
happen to the millions of gallons of oil that they just found at the bottom
of the gulf?
Well, this is a story that unfolded last week. What`s going to happen?
Good question. That`s the $64 question.
Number one, are they just going to let it sit there? Is anybody going to
even attempt to clean it up? And who`s the overriding authority on trying
to get somebody to clean it up? Do you think it`s good to have millions of
gallons of oil still sitting at the bottom of the Gulf? Oh, there is no
damage at all, is there?
I think the Obama administration needs to engage. And it think one of the
things the President could focus on and his administration the next two
years is to relocate that boot that they were going to put on the neck of
BP and make sure some folks down there are made whole and the environmental
clean up starting with this gets back on the roll.
Stick around Rapid Response Panel is next.
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SCHULTZ: Good to have you back with us tonight, folks. Thanks for
Ukraine`s violence may demand a policy split between Germany and the United
States. German Chancellor Angela Merkel visited the President in
Washington today. The two leaders spoke about the crisis in the Ukraine.
President Obama will consider arming Ukrainian forces against pro-Russian
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OBAMA: If in fact diplomacy fails, what I`ve asked my team to do is to
look at all options. What other means can we put in place to change Mr.
Putin`s calculus? And the possibility of lethal defensive weapons is one
of those options that`s being examined.
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SCHULTZ: The President says a military solution is unlikely but is
possible. Germany is keeping weapons out of the conversation.
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ANGELA MERKEL, GERMANY CHANCELLOR: I`ve always said I don`t see a military
solution to this conflict, but we have to put all our efforts in brining
about a diplomatic solution. No matter what we decide the alliance between
the United States and Europe will continue to stand, will continue to be
solid even though on certain issues we may not always agree.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
SCHULTZ: Germany remains on accord with United States on sanctions imposed
on Russia. The sanctions remains on Vladimir Putin`s mind for sure. The
Russian President traveled to Egypt today to strengthen ties and possibly
drop the United States dollar from bilateral trade deals. Peace talks with
France, Germany, Russia and the Ukraine will resume on Wednesday.
Joining me tonight on a Rapid Response Panel, Steve Clemons who`s an MSNBC
Contributor and Editor-at-large for the Atlantic, and also with us tonight
Colonel Jack Jacobs, a Medal of Honor recipient and MSNBC military analyst.
Gentlemen, great to have you with us tonight.
I almost feel like we`re watching a real life "Blacklist" unfold here. I
mean, this is -- Steve, why do I feel like we`re on the verge to getting
into it with the Russians?
STEVE CLEMONS, MSNBC CONTRIBUTOR: Well, because everything we hear and see
is directed that way. We`ve got, you know, British pilots out there
intervening Russian bombers over Eastern Europe. We`ve got threats in the
international finance system to rip Russia out of the SWIFT code system
which will have staggering consequences. We see a Russia that is economies
imploding with both sanctions we`ve been impose and cheap oil. And we see
an increasing escalation in Ukraine, at East Ukraine itself, of Russian
troops and of Russian armaments. And people saying hey, we need to do
So the temperature is very hot and we`re tilting into something and I am
very concerned about it because...
CLEMONS: ... right now the tilt is towards action and that`s what Angela
Merkel`s trying to throw a flag up and say, hey wait.
SCHULTZ: Colonel is Vladimir Putin going to annex Ukraine?
COL. JACK JACOBS, MILITARY ANALYST: I think so. Well, not all of it.
What he wants is to the strip that contains what most of the Russians which
includes, unfortunately for Ukraine, the area on the banks of the Black Sea
which will landlocked Ukraine. So that`s really what he really is.
SCHULTZ: Putin is not going to back down, is he?
JACOBS: I don`t think so. You know, we`ve squeeze them economically, he`s
not backing down. Oil is at $40 or less level that go lower a barrel.
That`s where most of their money is made. He`s not backing down. You just
heard Merkel say to President of the United States, you guys are on your
own if you`re talking about doing anything about it.
SCHULTZ: What kind of assistance would we give them?
JACOBS: Well, it`s not going to be machine guns and small arms and
automatic weapon. It`s going to be relatively serious stuff but none of it
can be of American manufactures. So it`s going to be things like counter-
battery radar for example...
JACOBS: Anti- tank missiles, multiple rocket launchers systems and perhaps
most important from the standpoint of Ukrainians shoulder fired surface to
air missiles, SA-7 types that will protect.
SCHULTZ: Would it make a difference in this conflict?
JACOBS: It might if there are enough of them. And if the Ukrainians can
get their act together and can have enough people at the decisive places in
time, but it`s really dangerous to Ukrainians. They`re always in danger of
having substantial units of their army surrounded and decimated, that`s
really, really, dangerous.
SCHULTZ: Steve Clemons, how much of a political fight is this going to be
here in America. I mean there are going to be some folks who say we can`t
allow Putin to continue with this aggression. The President is talking
about more options. It`s almost like we`re a little slow to the punch
CLEMONS: No. It`s going to be another one of these moments where
presidential contenders coming in 2016 want to paint Barack Obama as weak,
diffident, you know, wobbling. When in fact, I think the President through
most of the Ukraine craze crisis has been very smart. At the beginning, he
said we need the Ukraine to define itself as both European and next to
Russia that we can`t have one swing versus the other. He`s been very
judicious about not going to far because that, you know, we`re feeling this
is Ukraine, a silo into itself. But if we basically escalate, if we throw
arms into this, we need to begin thinking at that moment...
CLEMONTS: ... what are the other areas that this could explode into, what
are the unintended consequences and that`s a huge deal. And people like
Henry Kissenger and others who`ve been warning, do you really want to have
slippery slope into a new Cold War? There`s a lot strategic amnesia in
Washington about what that really means. I could be a huge deal.
SCHULTZ: So do you think Steve that, Vladimir Putin can be negotiated with
CLEMONS: I do.
SCHULTZ: ... we can move him in the correct direction to back off the
slaughter and that`s exactly what it is right now.
CLEMONS: Look, there`s a lot of demonization of Vladimir Putin and he
deserves most of it, but not all of it.
In his view, he`s a strategic calculator who is basically making the west
now pay a price and also to demonstrate, you know, in kind of, you know, a
run of, you know, bears and bulls in a market. He is sort of testing our
resolve for an area that is 300 miles from Moscow and, you know, figure out
how far it is from Washington D.C.
It is a geographically stressed area. It doesn`t mean he should be
appeased at all but it does raise the fundamental question of whether or
not from a strategic perspective, we`re willing to sit down with this man
and have a first principle`s talk about what he is trying to...
CLEMONS: ... achieve in the world because I look at this as negotiations
and what we`re trying to achieve in the world. And that discussion, a
strategic discussion at the highest levels has not occurred.
SCHULTZ: Colonel, do we have a strategy in dealing with this?
JACOBS: No, not at all. That`s why we`re talking about giving large scale
defensive weapons and airplanes.
SCHULTZ: We really don`t know what to do, do we?
JACOBS: No, we don`t have a plan, and I think Steve is absolutely right.
I don`t know whether or not you can negotiate with this guy but negotiation
is absolutely essentially because they`re going to have to be some trades
made because I can`t see no matter what we`re going to give the Ukrainians
they`re actually going to be able to beat back to Russians.
SCHULTZ: How -- and let`s go down the road of military -- American
military hardware. What would Putin`s reaction be?
JACOBS: Well, I think he would redouble his efforts to take overall of
Ukraine and then, what we`re doing is if we`re talking about raising the
ante there he will too and then what are we going to say when we`ve
decided, we`re not sending 250,000 Americans to go fight in Ukraine, we`re
not sending -- we`re not going to be there for a decade to make sure
Ukrainians can defend themselves against Russia.
I think we understand that, but talk is cheap and if we think that we`re
going to be able to do it with anything other than a serious conversation
at the highest levels, I think we`re sadly mistaken because we`re not
interested in going all in.
SCHULTZ: Yeah. And finally, Steve Clemons, price of oil has a lot to do
with this. If his economy is going well, we may not be where we are?
CLEMONS: Well, let me just invert that around. There were times and we
decided that Russia would never have a place in NATO. When Russia was on
basket case it was coming apart and we thought we`re high on the saddle and
Russia is inconsequential.
When Russia began to get some muscle, began to sort of -- begin getting
capable and powerful in the world and Putin positioned himself to be the
Ronald Reagan of Moscow, its morning in Moscow. They then -- that was a,
you know, a Russia on the move and so I think it`s a big mistake...
CLEMONS: ... to think that when a nation is experiencing, you know, an
economic implosion that it`s easier to deal with. It`s actually much, much
more dangerous, much more a paranoid, collapsing, complicated Russia is
going to be much more dug in with what`s its doing.
So we need to be careful with that analogy. It`s when it`s weak that we
need to create a contour back to some sort of global deal.
SCHULTZ: All right, Steve Clemons, Colonel Jack Jacobs. Gentlemen, thanks
so much for the conversation.
Coming up, one of Al Gore`s biggest dreams becomes reality. Stick around
for Trender. We`ll be right back.
SCHULTZ: And at the two-minute drill tonight, the hard court legend.
The sports world says goodbye to Dean Smith. The former Tar Heels coach
died peacefully in his home in North Carolina over the weekend.
Smith was an innovator on and off the court. He pushed for desegregation
and transform University of North Carolina basketball team in one of the
greatest dynasties of all time.
In his 36 seasons, he raked up 27 NCAA tournaments, appearances 11 final
fours and a pair of national championships.
Next. Puck up, Rob Gronkowski took his talents off the field and into the
rank. The tight end is riding high after the Patriots Super Bowl win, how
high you asked?
Well on Saturday`s Bruins Islanders hockey game Gronk spike the puck high
enough to clear the rink glass -- I was wondering if they had another puck
ready to go.
And finally, I got your number. You never get a vacation from being a
A man visiting the Bahamas got called out for wearing his number 75 Pats
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BIANCA WILFORK, VINCE WILFORK`S WIFE: You know whose jersey you have on?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, Vince.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: His...
VINCE WILFORK, PATRIOTS DEFENSIVE TACKLE: Vince, how you doing? That`s
B. WILFORK: That`s him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think so, man.
V. WILFORK: I like you shirt.
How you doing? (Inaudible).
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SCHULTZ: Vince Wilfork`s wife caught the entire event on camera. The 325
pound defensive tackle, he`s kind to hard to miss doesn`t he?
So, one of his fans managed to miss but was sure glad he was standing right
there. He got a handshake and an autograph.
There`s a lot more coming up on the Ed Show. Stay with us.
SCHULTZ: Time now for trenders in social media. This is where you can
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free 24/7. OK.
The Ed Show Social Media Nation has decided and we are reporting. Here
today`s top trenders voted on by you.
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OBAMA: It`s not OK and it has to stop.
SCHULTZ: The Number three trender, loud and clear.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At Grammys mostly sported a softer side...
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SCHULTZ: President Obama`s Grammy message, it`s a sour note with
OBAMA: Join our campaign to stop this violence. Go to ItsOnUs.org and
take a pledge, it`s on us, all of us, to create a culture where violence
SCHULTZ: The Number two trender, jumping for joy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you remember those ball pits that you used to jump
in as a kid.
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SCHULTZ: Brits have a ball with an adult-friendly ball pit.
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we`ll probably be more efficient.
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SCHULTZ: And today`s top trender, DSCOVR.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We stand at this point of sort of on the threshold of
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And you do space satellite is that to launch which
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SCHULTZ: NASA`s latest launch will help track solar storms.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The DSCOVR satellite will continue monitoring the
constant stream of charged particles from the sun also called solar wind.
DSCOVR will orbit the sun in a fixed position relative to earth.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It will be located at that -- 1.1 million miles from
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So the (inaudible) can electrify the earth upper
outer atmosphere causing power surges on the ground.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These geomagnetic storms can be very damaging to the
critical infrastructure on earth.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Having some advance warning is critical to us.
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SCHULTZ: And joining us tonight, Derrick Pitts, Chief Astronomer at the
Franklin Institute. Mr. Pitts, always a pleasure. Good to have you with
This is pretty fascinating stuff but is it really important for us to
monitor the sun`s activity that would affect our climate? Your thoughts.
DERRICK PITTS, CHIEF ASTRONOMER, FRANKLIN INSTITUTE: Ed absolutely. It is
important for us to monitor this sun in this way.
This is the first time that NOAA has had an operational space weather
satellite in orbit. And the information that will be gathered by this will
be extremely important to helping us protect satellites in orbit around
earth and even to help us protect power transmission systems here on earth
in case there`s a very, very intense solar storm.
So the information gathered along with the images of the earth and the
monitoring the weather systems are always vital and always helpful.
SCHULTZ: Why are we doing it now? What wasn`t it done previously?
PITTS: Well, it wasn`t done previously because there have been ways for us
to make these observations from earth before but it turns out that there
was this satellite left over from about a decade ago that happened to have
the architecture that would worked really well for this particular mission,
this particular kind of study. And being able to place the satellite at
this location about 930,000 miles away from earth, outside the earth`s
magnetic field, gives us this opportunity to do this really intense study
of the solar wind coming in.
So, with the materials available, the equipment available and the launch
services available, these things come together to make it a right time to
SCHULTZ: Have we seen a lot of changes in the sun`s activity over the pass
PITTS: We`ve been learning a lot more about the sun`s activity over the
last decade for sure and we`re beginning to learn many things about the sun
that we didn`t know before and that`s always really exciting. And the more
we learn about the sun, the more we can be prepared for any sorts of
intense solar storms that happen.
While we`ve been observing over decades, we`ve been able to see the kind of
regular activity that the sun has but we also don`t know everything there
is to know about the sun, Ed. So, it behooves us to want to gather as much
information so we can have -- as complete a picture of how the sun operates
SCHULTZ: As a Chief Astronomer at the Franklin Institute and this is not a
political question, but who gets credit for this?
PITTS: Well, I think the scientists that came up with the idea that we can
use this particular satellite architecture left over from 10 years to do
this work really should get a lot of credit for this because they
recognized that there`s a piece of equipment hanging around that could be
use, could be could be pressed into service.
So the NASA scientists, the NOAA scientists and all other researchers who
figure that this is a good way to get that information really should get a
lot of credit for this.
SCHULTZ: What do you think the most vital piece of information that we`re
going to get from doing this, from this satellite?
PITTS: Well, actually it`s yet to be discovered because we don`t know
everything about the sun but the more data that we collect about the sun
the more we can learn about the sun.
I think the most important thing though there are two really important
things. One is the early warning capability that we`ll get from this, Ed.
So we can have up to 60 minutes notice of a very intense solar magnetic
storm heading our way. And at the same time, we also have this beautiful
24-hour view of the earth that allows us to better track weather systems on
the surface and that early warning always turns into saved lives.
So those are really, really big important points.
SCHULTZ: Would this help us in our solar technology the way that is
advancing and has advanced in this country and the manufacturing of it and
what not globally? Would this advance that?
PITTS: You know, given that there are two different types of operating
systems for electrical generation onboard this spacecraft and what we might
use here on earth, well we might not say there isn`t much connection. But
when you look at the way in which spacecraft are powered specially with
close proximity to the sun or in the inner solar system, solar panels
really do work very well and there is no reason why we shouldn`t further
pursue the development of a solar panel technology that efficient as the
ones on space are can become nearly as efficient here on earth.
SCHULTZ: Interesting stuff, did you think this whenever get to where we
are right now? I mean, what`s the next big thing beyond this?
PITTS: Actually the next big thing is the fact that SpaceX is the company
that`s launching this spacecraft for NOAA, for NASA and the Air Force.
Their ability to provide low-cost reliable access to space is really,
SCHULTZ: That`s interesting. Derrick Pitts, great to have you with us
tonight. Thank you so much.
PITTS: Thank you, Ed.
SCHULTZ: That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz. PoliticsNation with
Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.
Good evening Rev.
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