updated 5/16/2014 3:37:08 PM ET 2014-05-16T19:37:08

THE ED SHOW
May 12, 2014

Guests: Brian Maffly, Brian Schweitzer, Terence Moore, Bernie Sanders, Chris Kluwe, Goldie Taylor


ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Good evening Americans and welcome to the Ed Show
live from New York. I`m ready to go. Let`s get to work.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVE COURVOISIER, ANCHOR, CBS: A dramatic development in the saga
surrounding Rancher Cliven Bundy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a welfare cowboy.

COURVOISIER: The FBI is on the case now.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You`ve got to believe that something is brewing, you
know.

GEORGE KNAPP, AMERICAN INVESTIGATIVE JOURNALIST: A formal investigation
into alleged death threats, intimidation, and possible weapons violations.

Many in the crowd had pointed weapons at officers.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: These people are waiting .

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: . for the big federal apocalypse.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If we`re here to make a stand, then by heaven`s sake,
let`s make a stand.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They`re waiting for the big war.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do the hard things and stand up and do what`s right and
tell the Federal Government that we had enough.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There`s going to be consequences.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
Let`s roll it back just a little bit. Remember Occupy Wall Street? You
remember how the Conservatives just love to degrade those kids that were
out there trying to change the conversation in America, and that is exactly
what they did. No, they didn`t get any laws passed. So they were out
there at the park here in New York and they got a lot of attention. It did
change the subject to the American and made America focused on some things
that were very, very important. The 99 percent Occupy Wall Street, I
remember how the Conservatives treated them.

Let me ask you this. How do you want to treat this group right here? You
can easily look at what is happening out west is just a product of the
Conservative talkers and Conservative media in this country that really
want us to find a bogeyman when it comes to any kind of government
regulation or control.

Supporters of the racist free-loading rancher Cliven Bundy, well, they`re
back out at it again and they are, in my opinion, officially out of
control. A few weeks ago, Fox News planted the seed that started this road
movement. Fox News devoted countless air time promoting Bundy as -- what
was it? I think it was a great American hero. That`s what he was. Fox
bailed on their hero once they found out that, he is a racist, but it was
too late.

The Bundy movement has blossomed into a weed that really no herbicide can
kill. They have armed, you know, they have aimed, they`ve been armed,
they`ve aimed rifles at federal agents. They set up road blocks, perfectly
good citizens out there abiding by the law. They`ve intimidated reporters.
They put their foot down, drawn their line in the sand, so to speak.

This weekend, Bundy supporters staged a protest against the Bureau of Land
Management and Recapture Canyon, Utah. I thought I had heard of Recapture
Canyon, Utah. And I thought it had a lot to do with Native Americans and
sure enough.

These protesters what they did was that they rode their ATVs in opposition
to the BOM`s closing of certain trails in the area. Now, the group is also
upset about some slow approval over some new trails that might be out
there. Overall, the theme in Recapture Park was very, very simple. These
people are upset with the Federal Government.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I`ve been back here when I was in high school with my
flat bender back and through here. I know we`ve been here forever and then
for a -- a government or agency to just acquire it, just take over seats
not yours, that`s really frustrating.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That`s what we`re here for. It`s to do the hard things
and stand up and do what`s right and tell the Federal Government that we`ve
had enough.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The message here is that we`re frustrated and there`s a
problem and the Federal Government is doing nothing to solve it. But at
the same time, you know, we`re not bad actors, we`re not looking to cause
problems, we`re not looking for violence.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Really? Well, some of the protesters, well, they were peaceful
and follow the rules. There were no arrests or confrontations at this
event. Others showed up with armed assault rifles -- that had to make
everybody feel good. And they broke the law. They rode ATVs on closed
trails. The trails ran through sacred Native American cultural lands of
the Navajo Nation.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The rally also attracted people unafraid of
confrontation. Armed militia members from other state showed up. Cliven
Bundy, his son Ryan, and his family rode their ATVs into the banned area.
He says staying in the BLM designated area doesn`t make any sense.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Doing that accomplishes absolutely nothing. It
basically shows cowardice towards the Federal Government. It shows
cowardice towards the Bureau of Land Management. If we`re here to make a
stand, then by heaven`s sakes, let`s make a stand.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: What kind of stand are you talking about? Leave it to a Bundy to
break the law. The BLM will pursue charges against people who violated
laws on Saturday. There`s no doubt tensions are running high out west.

Last week, a federal cattle wrangler was threatened by masked men? Men
wearing hoods pulled up to a BLM employee and showed him a sign that read,
"You need to die." One of the men then pointed a hand gun at the BLM
wrangler. After the threat, the men drove away. There was no evidence
linking the masked man to Bundy supporters. But doesn`t it make you
wonder, what`s going on here? But we all know where these anti-government
sentiments started, don`t we?

The FBI is currently investigating the arms stand off which occurred near
Bundy`s ranch back on April 12th. They are looking into threats against
law enforcement officers, illegal weapons, and anti-government militias.
This feed of hate against the Federal Government, it`s growing out west.
And things are getting worse. More and more people are joining the ranks
to protest the Bureau of Land Management. It could be blamed on one thing,
as I see it, and that is the Conservative media.

You see, the Conservative media hates Barack Obama so much and can`t stand
the Liberal platform so much that they want to view them as a threat, and
the best way to do it is to give the microphone to people like this,
platform them up for two weeks on a cable network, don`t back down until
there`s a refutable evidence that the guy is a racist. Well, we`ll forget
about that.

So now, we have got government officials in this country wondering what do
we do if we go out and try to enforce the law and people are openly armed
with assault weapons? These folks I think want something to happen. They
want the government to react, so they can react and then, who knows what
the hell is going to happen.

So how do we defuse all of these? Maybe it would be good if the network in
question that was so in love Cliven Bundy would say something to these
folks who are illegally on the land with the ATVs. You know, you ought to
back up and go to through normal channels of protest. Do you have
representatives in Washington? Where do they stand? Are they with this
crowd? Because no one knows where this is going to end and no one knows
how it`s going to end. And it`s kind of scary. It has the roofs (ph) of a
movement that won`t end really peacefully.

I hate to say that, but this is how it goes, isn`t it? If they were
minorities, would they be fired upon? Would they be forced to abide by the
law? And are we now seeing a culture develop in America? Well, you can go
ahead and do what you want. We`ll just decide which law we`re going to
uphold.

Get your cell phones out. I want to know what you think tonight`s
question. Has the Conservative media fueled dangerous anti-government
sentiment? Text A for Yes, text B for No to 67622, you can always go to
our blog at ed.msnbc.com. We`ll bring you the results later on in the
show.

For more, let me bring in Brian Maffly of the Salt Lake Tribune. Mr.
Maffly, good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time. You
were out at this protest over the weekend. Were Bundy supporters a big
presence in all of this?

BRIAN MAFFLY, SALT LAKE TRIBUNE: Yeah. I think they were. It was more of
a local protest but, they showed up from Bunkerville, maybe others from
other militia groups, but they certainly made their presence known.

SCHULTZ: Why would they show up? Did you interview them and talked to
them in all about why were showing up out of their area, so to speak?

MAFFLY: Well, I certainly tried. They had little interest in talking to
me and frankly are pretty openly disdainful of the media.

SCHULTZ: What did you want to do when you were there? What did you want
to ask them and what did you not get out of them that you wanted to get out
of them?

MAFFLY: I was very interested in why they, you know, traveled to Utah,
wanted to participate in this event and why they felt it was necessary to
come armed.

SCHULTZ: Now, what role did a county commissioner play in this?

MAFFLY: Well, that`s an interesting question. Phil Lyman helped to
organize this event, but he often times would say, I`m not organizing it,
but he really did helped stage it and was the emcee (ph) rally ahead of
time. So he played a very important role but we have to be very clear he
was doing it as a private individual.

SCHULTZ: OK. Doing it as a private individual but making a public
appearance as an elected official. I mean, you know, your 24/7 as elected
official. He`s a county commissioner who reportedly has taken the same
position of Cliven Bundy when it comes to recognizing the Federal
Government. Is that characterized properly?

MAFFLY: I don`t know if Lyman would go that far. But he -- Lyman`s
position is that the Federal Government needs to let the counties have more
say, more control over the public lands in their counties. In San Juan
(ph) County, it`s at least 90 percent federal land there. Large part of
that is because of Canon Tahoe (ph) reservation but there`s -- it`s
supposedly federal. And there are a little concern that they are being
shut out of decision making and that`s enlarged far what motivated that
protest on Saturday.

SCHULTZ: What has changed because the ATVs have not been allowed on these
trails for sometime I understand?

MAFFLY: That`s right. It was closed to ATV used in 2007. And what
prompted that was the discovery that a trail had been constructed through
there and it had done damaged to a number of archeological sites. This
area had been occupied about a thousand years ago by the ancestors of the
Puebloan people like the Hopi and the Zuni. And it is incredibly rich and
dense with archeological sites. So what happened was they found this
damage to these sites, and a year later, decided that it was best to keep
it closed to ATV use to preserve those sites.

SCHULTZ: So, the Bureau of Land Management made the decision because the
land was misused not to allow the ATVs to go in there anymore to respect
the rights of the Navajo Nation, correct?

MAFFLY: That`s correct. But they were reviewing an application ever since
that the county had made to establish a right of way right through there
and they were trying to figure out, well, how can we route that trail in a
way that would not impact those sites? A struggle (ph) on for several
years and clinical leaders in that county have pretty much lost patience.

SCHULTZ: So we can only speculate why people out of the reason read -- out
of the region showed up at a local protest. As a professional reporter,
how would you characterize it?

MAFFLY: That would be pure speculation, but I think they identify the
recapture protest with this larger movement to defy federal authority.

SCHULTZ: OK. Brian Mafflyl, good to have you with us tonight from the
Salt Lake Tribune. I appreciate your time.

Let me bring in MSNBC contributor and former Montana Governor Brian
Schweitzer. Governor, good to have you on tonight. Your thoughts on what
would settle all of this down? You`ve done a lot with, you know, Bureau of
Land Management as a governor being involved in situations like this. What
scares you about this? What would defuse it?

FMR. GOV. BRIAN SCHWEITZER, (D) MONTANA: Well, even more important. As
you know, we had a third generation rancher here in Montana. And I have a
Masters to be in Soil Science. So I understand these resources. Leading
up to the dust full (ph), it was folks out west that used the land for
whatever they wanted for as long as they wanted. They over graze their
cattle, they diverted the rivers, and it created the dust full (ph).

And so now, we have professional managers who are managing your land. This
land belongs to the United Sates of America. It belongs to somebody in New
York just like it belongs to somebody in Utah. And what these professional
managers are doing on the ground is saying what is good for the resource?
How many cattle would we allow to graze here? Where is it appropriate to
have ATVs? How can we best take care of this land as a trust for all
Americans?

And now, this bunch, this Cliven Bundy bunch coming over from Nevada giving
advice to people in Utah on how to deal with the BLM, my God, that`s like
the area nation giving advice to Donald Sterling. I mean, this bunch --
the Bundy Bunch are drifters. They haven`t paid their fees. They haven`t
cooperating with the Federal Government. They say they don`t even
recognize the United States government. And these Tea Party militia Fox
trotters, they`re bunch and near the walls (ph). They aren`t ranchers.
They aren`t loggers. They aren`t people that have legitimate businesses on
the land. You wouldn`t get ranchers to stand next to Bundy.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

SCHWEITZER: And people who are in the mining business, there were like gas
business on federal land. They wouldn`t stand next to these people because
they make a living on that federal land and they listen to the rule of the
land.

SCHULTZ: So the ulterior motive here is to make the Bureau of Land
Management and the government the bogeyman here. I mean, these people
really aren`t upset about any close trails or any ATV access issues.

SCHWEITZER: Well, they might be. But, you know, there are millions of
other acres that they can go to. Why do they have to have that trail? You
know what Ed, some 30 percent of Montana is owned by the government. I
think 60 percent or so of Utah, some 80 some percent of Nevada is owned by
the Federal Government. There are places all over the west to recreate.
Some allow ATV, some don`t. Some allow hunting, some don`t.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

SCHWEITZER: Some allowed grazing and oil development, and some don`t. So,
go to the places that the professionals have decided this is the place to
do, what it is that you`d like to do.

SCHULTZ: So governor, this seems to be the beginning of standard operating
procedure justify the law and wait for the government to do something. So,
what`s the solution here? I mean, is the government just going to pick and
choose what to do with this (inaudible) that show up with high-powered
automatic rifles?

SCHWEITZER: If you point a gun at law enforcement or federal officials,
you should have no expectation of this ending, good for you. Now, we don`t
want to have a confrontation with these folks, we just want them to go back
home and cut wood or ride their motorcycle or whatever they do for a
living, but if they continue, they`re going to get rounded up and they`ll
be prosecuted. And as law-abiding citizens, we can`t have it in any other
way. We`re a land that has rule of law. We`re not Yemen. We`re not
Somalia. We`re a land that has laws and we all have to follow those laws.
We don`t get the side to which one we`re going to follow and which ones we
don`t. This -- that`s what a civilized society does.

SCHULTZ: Well, and the scary element here is that that`s what it`s seems
to be evolving too. This is far from over. Governor Brian Schweitzer,
good to have you with us tonight. I appreciate your time.

Remember to answer tonight`s question there at the bottom of the screen.
Share your thoughts with us on Twitter @EdShow and on Facebook. We always
want to know what you think.

Coming up, Donald Sterling asks for forgiveness. The Rapid Response Panel
weighs in on that. But first, ghost of Republican primary passed our
lining up in support of the big 10.10. Senator Bernie Sanders on the way.
Stay with us. We are right back.

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SCHULTZ: Time now for the Trenders. On social media, you can check us out
on Twitter @EdShow and the radio shows on SiriusXM Channel 127, the
Progress Channel, Monday through Friday, noon to 3 PM. The Ed Show social
media nation has decided and we are reporting. Here are today`s top
Trenders voted on by you.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: On your mark, get set, go.

SCHULTZ: The number three trender, ready to run.

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SCHULTZ: But climate change won`t be part of Rubio`s presidential
platform.

SEN. MARCO RUBIO, (R) FLORIDA: I do not believe that human activity is
causing these dramatic changes to our climate. I do not believe that the
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Miami, Tampa are two of the cities that are most threatened by climate
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SCHULTZ: The number two trender, no joke.

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SCHULTZ: And today`s top tender, right move.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Republican should support a reasonably increase in
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SCHULTZ: 2012 competitors team up to push Republicans to raise the minimum
wage.

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alternative.

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: And when it comes to the federal
minimum wage, it`s bad policy.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Does this add to Republican`s problems with working
people?

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(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Joining me tonight, Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders. Senator,
good to have you with us. Couple of issues tonight, minimum wage and also
climate change. Let`s start with minimum wage. Its 2014, we`re six months
away, is there anything -- what is the last ray of hope if it`s out there
to get a minimum wage pass to help workers and pull them out of poverty in
this country?

SEN. BERNIE SANDERS, (I) VERMONT: Well, I think you`re hearing some of the
more sophisticated political Republicans understanding that if the
Republicans continue to reject a raise in the minimum of wage, it`s going
to hurt significantly. Most Americans know that 7.25, the national minimum
wage is a starvation wage. And now, we`re beginning to hear some
Republicans who say, "Look, you guys voted against extending long-term
unemployment, you want to cut Medicaid, you want to transform Medicaid, you
want to cut back on education, and now, you don`t want to raise the minimum
wage? We`re not going to get a lot of votes doing that."

So I think, we keep pushing this issue. I think we`re going to win. And
at the end of the day, you know what Ed, I think we will raise the minimum
wage.

SCHULTZ: So, people that don`t vote Santorum, Pawlenty, and Romney are the
ones that are stepping up trying to drill some sense into the Republican
Party right now in the Conservative movement and it`s interesting that Mr.
Romney when he was running, I don`t recall him advocating for a minimum
wage increase at that time.

SANDERS: I think that some of these guys understand quite correctly that
the Republican Party is identified with the top 1 percent more tax breaks
from millionaires and billionaires, more throwing Americans out of work and
moving to China, they get it. And if they want to win elections, they need
to stop paying some attention and needs of low income and working families.

SCHULT: So, Boehner says, it`s bad policy, that means -- I think for code,
it`s never even going to be brought up for a vote. So this would be an
election issue.

SANDERS: I am not so sure. And to be honest with you, if we can pass it
in the Senate, you know, I`m not sure that there are some Republicans are
running for the election and may not want to see it passed.

SCHULTZ: What do you think has to change? They tried the Keystone
Pipeline last week on and it didn`t work.

SANDERS: Well, what I think has to change is that millions and millions of
people have got to tell the Republican leadership and members of Congress
that it is unconscionable that when people are making poverty wages that
they were not raising the minimum wage, as you well know, compared to 1968.
If the minimum wage went up with inflation, it would today be somewhere
around $10.50 an hour. So .

SCHULTZ: Senator, let`s talk climate change quickly if we can. The
National Climate Assessment out and it had a three-year study over 300 of
the best scientists of this country has and yet Marco Rubio who says he is
ready to be president of the United States and says that we`ve always had
changes in the climate and he doesn`t believe the scientists. I mean,
isn`t this a message to big oil, hey, I`m your guy and isn`t that the
message of big oil and maybe with the Koch brothers that you can count on
me to carry your water?

SANDERS: I think absolutely. I think it`s also a message for the
Republican base that continues to reject virtually all of the scientific
work on this issue. And I got to tell you Ed, you know, what the
scientists are telling us is that time is running out that unless we
transform our energy system away from fossil fuel and energy efficiency and
sustainable energy, our kids and our grandchildren are going to be living
in a very inhospitable planet.

SCHULTZ: Well, that`s a 180 from where the Republican Party is right now.
I mean, what Rubio said, isn`t that the ultimate denial you`ve ever heard?

SANDERS: Ed, you know, I going to say this Ed, you know, I really have to
say. Look, you and I have all kinds of differences with Republicans, but
to totally reject what the scientific community is saying is really
embarrassing for our nation (inaudible).

SCHULTZ: Senator Bernie Sanders, great to have you with us tonight.
Thanks so much.

Still ahead, Donald Sterling apologizes with the flex (ph) blame for his
racist comments. Rapid Response Panel weighs in. And later, game changer,
the NFL drops its first openly gay athlete Michael Sam. But it wasn`t
until the last round.

And next, I`m taking your questions Ask Ed Live just ahead on the Ed Show
on MSNBC from New York. We`re right back.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Appreciate the questions, love
hearing from all of you viewers tonight in our Ask Ed live segment. Our
first question is from Kristina (ph). She wants to know, I know Elizabeth
Warren said that she`s not running, but what do you think of Clinton,
Warren 2016?

Well, there`d be no sure to the brain power on that ticket, that`s for
sure. If there are any progressives out there who have some reservations
about Hillary Clinton, I think they would certainly be answered by the
addiction of Elizabeth Warren on the ticket. I think that`s a very strong
ticket, maybe unbeatable. When I saw that question a little bit ago, I
just wanted what Republican ticket could defeat that. I don`t think
there`s one out there right now.

Our next question is from Debbie, she want to know, "Why do the republicans
still deny climate change when they see the extreme weather?" They don`t
care about weather. They don`t care about facts. They care about the
money from big oil and big donors across the country who want a basically
end democracy as we know it and take over the government and deregulate
everything and put everything to the bottom line for the corporations.

The short and long of it is this, climate change is a big problem for those
people that I just mentioned. So the best thing to do is deny it and hope
enough people would believe it. I don`t think that there`s a scientist or
a piece of information out there that would ever convince a conservative at
this point in time that climate change is real and oh by the way it`s here.

Stick around rapid responds panel is next.

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SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed show looking for redemption in all the
wrong places, I`d say. Clippers owner Donald Sterling, wonders if he`s
entitled to forgiveness after his racist ran.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DONALD STERLING, CLIPPERS OWNER: I`m asking for forgiveness. Am I
entitled to one mistake in my -- after 35 years? I mean, I love my league,
I love my partner. And my titled to one mistake, it`s a terrible mistake
and I`ll never do it again.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: In the released fortunes of the new interview, Donald Sterling
acknowledges his mistake only because he can prove personally begin to feel
the consequences in his own wallet and reputation.

NBA Commissioner Adam Silver has taken a hard line to get Sterling out of
the league. Sterling seems disconnected from reality and he`s making the
case, he`s the victim?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STERLING: Why the girl, I had me say those things.

ANDERSON COOPER, ANDERSON COOPER 360 HOST: You`re saying you were set up?

STERLING: Well, yes. I was baited. I mean, it`s not the way I talk.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Well, it is. Sterling is not only playing the role of the
victim, he`s on offense. The Clipper`s owner only knows deflection,
Sterling once exemption from the same disdain he hurls at Magic Johnson

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Did you apologize to him or.

STERLING: Well, if I said anything to you wrong, I`m sorry. He`s a good
person and he`s -- what am I going to say? Has he done everything he can
do to help minorities, I don`t think so.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Dude, rendering judgment on Magic Johnson but looking for
redemption on your own part, pretty interesting media strategy. It`s not
about Magic Johnson, it`s about you.

The Clippers owner doesn`t see himself as racist, that`s another stretch.
Clearly, Sterling is trying to rehabilitate himself for the public so maybe
the NBA will reverse his decision, fat chance.

Our rapid response panel with us tonight, Goldie Taylor, MSNBC contributor
and columnist for the Grio and National Sports columnist and commentator
Terence Moore. Mr. Moore, we`ll start with you first tonight.

If we can, this guy is trying to salvage himself, what`s your reaction and
what`s your hearing?

TERENCE MOORE, SPORTS COLUMNIST: I am not a racist, I am not a crook. You
know, sports is a microcosm of society. And what is over and over again
Ed, is that you basically have two sets of racist out there, you have the
kind that play mind games. And I think of like a George Wallace, you know,
he`s elected to Governor of Alabama in January 63, segregation now,
segregation tomorrow, segregation forever and then decade later all of the
sudden, when he`s out convenient to be a racist, he`s like, "Oh I was never
against black people, all of course states rights, OK?

Then you get this other set of racist that Donald Sterling is a part of it.
And Donald Sterling is a racist who honestly believes what he says. I
believe that. Well he says something like, "Well if I said something
wrong." If I said something wrong, but the thing is when you talk about a
George Wallace or a Donald Sterling, it`s the same thing.

They`re both imposition of color and they`re both dangerous and they both
are trying to fool people.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Goldie, I understand that the coaching from probably, I`m
guessing, there`s some kind of lawyer coaching going on here. All right
look, go out say you`re sorry, do the best you can and an interview and
maybe public opinion will give you a little ray of hope you might be able
to hang on to the team.

But then he goes and takes a swipe at the very successful businessman and
philanthropist Magic Johnson in the interview, what do you make of that?

TAYLOR: I will submit to you that Kenya Moore from the Real Housewife of
Atlanta had a better media trainer then Donald Sterling has.

This is not Donald Sterling`s first time with the radio, if -- at a rodeo.
If you recall, this guy had the largest Department of Justice settlement in
the history of this country for racial discriminating and housing in the
Los Angeles area, this is not his first time out of the ball part.

You know, this guy, you know, certainly understood what he was saying in a
context on which he was saying it, the very idea that he was taped and that
it was leaked. Well maybe I have a little bit of sympathy for him on that
part but he signed an owner`s agreement. And in that universal owner`s
agreement, it says distinctively that these other owners have the right to
vote him out of the league with super majority three-forts of the vote.

SCHULTZ: It`s a franchise and .

TAYLOR: It`s a franchise.

SCHULTZ: . it`s -- I`m not saying he can own anything he wants here.
Terence, I want you to respond to this sound by about ownership, here it
is.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: When you saw.

STERLING: It`s not me.

COOPER: .this take off their -- wear their warm up jerseys, refers of the
name Clippers wasn`t on in that first game, what did you think?

STERLING: I really didn`t pay attention. They are Clippers and they`re
mine and I`m theirs. That`s how I feel.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: They`re his? Oops, what`s that mean?

MOORE: Well, that means they were back in the -- instead of the 2014,
we`re back on 1814. And -- but I`ll tell you something else Ed here, we
cannot let this owner off the hook, the NBA owners, because this is what
people are not focusing on enough. Donald Sterling, if you listen to him
in this interview and other interviews, these words are coming out his lips
to easily.

And what do we mean by that he is been an NBA owner for 33 years. You
don`t think he talked this way in cocktail parties with other NBA owners?
So the question is, why was he allowed to last long as he did with David
Sterling or David Stern as a commissioner and Adam Silver was his right
hand man.

SCHULTZ: Well that`s the point I was making earlier in a previous
broadcast because it wasn`t until the sponsors started to unload on the
NBA.

MOORE: Exactly.

SCHULTZ: .and load. When there became a financial element involve here,
gosh everybody`s attitude changed all of a sudden. Goldie, Donald Sterling
says his apology came late because he was so destroyed (ph) about all of
these. You do accept that?

TAYLOR: I don`t accept that. What I do accept that Donald Sterling wants
to hold on to this team so that they can pass ownership down to his
children and they receive the tax.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

TAYLOR: .(inaudible) that come that way. If this team was disposed of now
and those children then inherit cash, then their capital gain taxes to pay
and the inheritance will be less. But let`s get this straight, Donald
Sterling will no longer be an NBA owner. And as soon as he is controlling
interest ceases, automatically the minority owners, the non-controlling
owners like his wife, their ownership ceases as well under the NBA
constitution. And so we`re going to hear very much from the Sterlings
after this over and we`re going to see new cast of owners come to growth.

We saw a Dick Parson`s give us press conference today is the brand new
Interim CEO of the Clippers, that`s the right direction. I expect Adam
Silver to keep stepping in that direction. He`ll pushed on of course by
the fans and by the players. You know, make no mistake about this. You
know, we knew who Donald Sterling was before. But it was up.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

TAYLOR: .to up to players, it was up to the fans, it was up to the other
owners to push this along and make this happen.

SCHULTZ: Here`s Richard Parsons who was serving as the Clippers Interim
CEO, here`s what he had say today of Donald Sterling`s apology.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

RICHARD PARSONS: I would observe as most Americans I think would observe
that he`s a little late for sure. But beyond that, you know, I`m here to
help turn one of the burdens off under the pot, not to turn it up higher.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Terence, what about his job?

MOORE: Well Ed, I was going to miss in this, Dick Parsons was the Head of
Time Warner, when Time Warner bought the Braves essentially from Ted
Turner. And recent this was a very important, Dick Parsons is basically a
guy who just let`s the team on itself. The Braves have great ownership, a
great management under -- I got Terry Maggert, he just basically let Terry
Maggert do his thing.

Parsons is excellent for this. And what he`s going to do, the basketball
guy is going to just -- the Department going to continue as it has of all
this way. So this is going to be a very serious operation. They have
shown me with Doc Rivers in charge.

SCHULTZ: And of course Sterling`s wife as I read it, she has saying that
her husband is not a racist. I mean it would just seem to that she`s
trying to salvage her portion of the team Goldie. Let`s just say there`s
some cash online in here.

TAYLOR: And I`ve got a bridge over the chatter who she really write,
Michael Salius. And it is about cash in line. And, you know, in terms of
Dick Parsons, you know, he`s been CEO of City Bank, you know, he`s a banker
by trait, king of the (inaudible) bank system. And so he certainly
understands financial operation, his global, global relationship with a
multinational branches, he`s own terms of bringing sponsors back, in terms
of beefing up the bottom line.

Dick Parsons is the man for the job. He will let basketball, do what
basketball does. And so I think that, you know, it actually is the right
decisions. But will Shelly Sterling becoming back to the Clippers.

SCHULTZ: Yeah.

TAYLOR: .you know, as an owner and some former fashion, I doubt it very
seriously.

SCHULTZ: All right, Goldie Taylor, Terence Moore, thanks for you time
tonight here on the Ed Show. I appreciate it.

Coming up, Louie Gohmert feels persecuted by gay marriage supporter.
Pretenders is next. Stick around.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: And the Pretenders tonight, history buff, Louie Gohmert, the
Texas Congressman has a head-turning theory about gay marriage in the
holocaust.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

LOUIE GOHMERT: People that stand up and say, you know, I agree with the
majority of Americans, I agree with Moses and Jesus that marriage was a man
and a woman. Now all the sudden people me are considered haters, hate
mongers, evil, which really is exactly what we`ve seen -- thank you,
through out history as going back to the days of the Nazi take over in
Europe.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Louie is a little short on his Nazi history. Gay people were
really the ones being persecuted in Hitler`s Germany. According to the
United Stated Holocaust Museum between 5,000 and 15,000 gay men were
interned in concentration camps in Nazi, Germany. These prisoners were
marked by Pink triangle badges according to many survivor accounts,
homosexuals were among the most abused groups in the camps.

If Louie Gohmert thinks he`s being persecuted the same way the Jews were,
being persecuted, he can keep on pretending.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show, this is the story for the folks who
take a shower after work. On Saturday history was made at the NFL draft.
Michael Sam became the fist openly gay player to be drafted by an NFL team.
Saint Louis Rams selected the University of Missouri defensive end on the
seventh and final round, Sam was the 249th overall pick. Camera crews
where there when Sam got the phone call which change his life.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you see him on the phone and there see the raw
emotion. We`ve seen this so many times over and over again for so many
players.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Folks that`s the game changer, millions of Americans watch the
NFL draft. No one bats an eye when a prospect celebrates by kissing his
girlfriend or wife. The culture of sports is evolving. And this moment in
football will play a role in affecting social change. Sure there was some
negative reaction. But this image tells the next generation of young gay
athletes, it`s OK to be who you are. Of course the folks across the street
had an entirely different span.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

STEVE DOOCY: We`re talking about the double standard. Because DeMarcus
Walker, who`s a line backer at Florida State, tweeted out this, "We all
praise Michael Sam for being gay but you all mocked Tim Tebow for being
Christian, SMH, Shake My Head hashtag society." Another comment are said,
"Let me get this straight. Tim Tebow is open about his faith and gets
major backlash. Michael Sam is open about this sexuality and gets major
praise."

DONALD TRUMP: I`ve heard many people, I`m not even speaking for myself but
I`ve heard many people that thought had display after he was chosen was
appropriate. I hope he does so well. But I thought when he, you know,
when he was really going at it.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

SCHULTZ: Joining me now was Chris Kluwe, retired punter from the Minnesota
Vikings in the NFL. Chris, good to have you with us tonight. Would this
have happened five years ago, what`s changed?

KLUWE: No, I don`t this would happen five years ago. This is something
that in terms of civil rights progress, it`s been positively lightning
fast, it`s, you know, you look back in the early 2000s and you had guys
openly speaking out against gay player saying we would never have a gay
player in the locker room. And so we`ve made a lot of really good strives
now, there`s still plenty of work left to be done because Michael Sam was
originally projected as a third-round pick and ended up being taken at the
end of the seventh. So there`s still a little bit more work to do.

SCHULTZ: There`s a big difference to between the third round and the
seventh round and Michael Sam on record saying that he should have been
drafted higher. What`s your response to where he was picked and by the
team as closed of his college, University of Missouri, the Saint Louis
Rams?

KLUWE: Well I think that he has a -- family is already there and the Rams
know that, they know that, you know, this is guy who`ll get fanned out to
the game. I think he definitely should have been taken higher because he
was the SCC all defensive player of the year and the previous SCC defensive
players of the year I think have all gone in the first round, maybe one
went in the second round. So it`s something that, you know, if we`re going
to go to the seventh round, really shows you kind of that there is
something going on there.

And, you know, for a lot of things it may not even be a bigger tree and
they just be -- they don`t want the whole distraction aspect. But on the
flip side, you know, like that earlier clip, Tebow got drafted in the first
round and he brought all sorts of baggage with him, so what`s the
difference between him and Michael Sam.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. According to producers at ESPN and the NLF network, there
really was absolutely no hesitation in airing Michael Sam`s reaction with
his significant other. What does that say to you? Does this go beyond
football?

KLUWE: Yeah, I think it`s a really good sign because there shouldn`t be
hesitation, it`s a player who just got drafted, this is one of the most
exciting games of his life and he`s celebrating it with the people that he
loves and one of those happens to be his significant other. And why does
that matter if it`s a man or a woman?

We have commentator basically lusting over player`s girlfriends, I mean
Brent Musburger and AJ McCarron`s girlfriend. It was a little awkward.
But it`s all of the sudden, now people think it`s a big deal when Michael
Sam kisses his boyfriend, no, it`s exact same thing, it`s two human beings
who love each other.

SCHULTZ: ALT sports reports that jerseys with Michael Sam`s name on it are
currently second in sales. He not only has a local fan base, he`s got a
national fan base. What do you make of it? And in fact it did say, ahead
of the guy that was picked number one, Clowney overall in the draft, who
was like the first pick?

So people are showing support with their wallets, that`s got to help.

KLUWE: Yeah and I think it`s a really good sign for society as a whole,
because what it does is it shows you that people care about this, people
are vested in this and now they have a role model, they have someone who
they can look up to. And, you know, Michael Sam is much like Jackie
Robinson, he`s the first person to be in the league that other people can
look up to. And, you know, it`s a great day for the United States.

SCHULTZ: Chris Kluwe, you have never stopped being an advocate and it was
just last year you said that you felt that you were let got for speaking
out in support of marriage equality. What would be your advice to Michael
Sam? Does he have to watch for what he says and how he handles himself for
-- how do you see this playing out in that form, in that way?

KLUWE: Well I`d say, I think he has an advantage in that. The team knows
and players on the team know that Michael is openly gay and it allows the
coaches to set an atmosphere of saying, "Hey, Mike is a good football
player, he`s a gay football player and if you don`t like that then, you
know, don`t let the door hit you on the way out, you`re not going to be on
this team if you can`t handle that."

And so, that comes from the top down, that`s on coaches, that`s on
management. And all Mike has to do is just go out and play football. He
knows how to play, just stay relaxed and go out and do it.

SCHULTZ: Well what about that? What if he ends up making the team, gets a
starting position? I don`t know what the situation is with the Rams. But,
you know, I think it`s two, three, four solo tackles a game, recovers a
tumble, intercepts a pass, or gets noticed in the statistics of playing,
any kind of criticism will leave the sports arena, won`t it?

KLUWE: Yeah, well and, you know, for Mike, it`s going to be a slightly
tougher situation in St. Louis because they do have a very strong defensive
line, he`s going to be competing for a fairly limited spot. But what he
can do is go out and show on special teams that he`s there to contribute on
anyway he can. And, you know, St. Louis may end up cutting him but if he
gets the chance, if he had the.

SCHULTZ: Sure.

KLUWE: .showing during OTAs in preseason just like everyone else has
allowed to show what they can do, then that`s what we`re looking for, I
mean.

SCHULTZ: OK.

KLUWE: .your sexuality shouldn`t matter.

SCHULTZ: Chris Kluwe, great to have you with us tonight, I appreciate your
time.

That`s the Ed Show, I`m Ed Schultz. Politics Nation with Reverend Al
Sharpton starts right now. Good evening Rev.

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