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The Ed Show for Wednesday, January 21st, 2015

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Date: January 21, 2015
Guest: Ed Markey, Jim McDermott, Mark Pocan, Larry Cohen, Terence Moore


SEN. JONI ERNST, (R) IOWA: One you`ve probably heard about is the Keystone
jobs bill.

higher than a single oil pipeline.

ERNST: President Obama has been delaying this bipartisan infrastructure
project for years.

Pipeline would be "game over" for the climate.

ERNST: Let`s shutdown the federal EPA.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don`t want this pipeline to be built. We believe
that climate change is real.

REP. JOHN BOEHNER, (R-OH) HOUSE SPEAKER: We built pipelines everywhere in
America everyday.

ED SCHULTZ, MSNBC HOST: Pipeline breach spilled over 50,000 gallons of oil
into the Yellowstone River over the weekend.

BOEHNER: We built pipelines...

SEN. CHARLES SCHUMER, (D) NEW YORK: Do they deny that human activity has
helped create climate change?

Stay tuned. Let`s see.


SCHULTZ: Good to have you with us tonight folks. Thanks for watching.
When President Obama comes out to speak in Boise, Idaho, we`ll bring his
remarks live here on the Ed Show.

But first I want to talk about Keystone. I was in Washington for the last
24 hour and it`s amazing what`s you hear. You know, it`s clear to me that
some senators, and I don`t mean to be derogatory here, but they`re
clueless. And they`re clueless because they hear something and they think,
well that might must be the way it is. Do you know that only senator has
gone to Nebraska to get the facts?

Anyway, the Keystone XL pipeline, I`ll explain to you again tonight, it`s
not going to be built for a few years. Now last night I warned you about
Senator Joni Ernst from Iowa and her response. Sure enough the Tea Party
Senator delivered just barrels of lies in the Keystone XL pipeline.


ERNST: We`re working hard to pass the kind of serious job-creation ideas
you deserve.

One you`ve probably heard about is the Keystone jobs bill. President Obama
has been delaying this bipartisan infrastructure project for years, even
though many members of his party, unions, and a strong majority of
Americans support it. The President`s own State Department has said
Keystone`s construction could support thousands of jobs and pump billions
into our economy, and do it with minimal environmental impact.
We worked with Democrats to pass this bill through the House. We`re doing
the same now in the Senate. President Obama will soon have a decision to
make: will he sign the bill, or block good American jobs?


SCHULTZ: Everything is Obama`s fault. Ernst calls that the Keystone jobs
bill, give me a break. She says it would thousands of jobs, yes it`s going
to take some folks to build it but they`re part-time. She claims that it
could be done with minimal environment impact, there`s a ton of studies out
there that say that simply isn`t true and these are scientists who would
but that information out there.

To say that she`s twisting the facts is just an understatement. The
Keystone XL pipeline, and I went to Nebraska and got the story and got a
number of county commissioners on record, it would create 35 full-time
jobs, 34 once it`s built. Now, the economy has produced 11 million jobs in
recent years.

Now, let`s hold it right there. If the Republicans and (inaudible) their
watch and they had done 11 million jobs, do you think they`ll be worried
about 42,000 construction jobs and 35 permanent jobs? I mean, you know,
for the Senator to call this a serious jobs bill, it makes a mockery of the
State of the Union, it`s an absolute joke. Ernst sounds like program robot
from the oil industry.

Now, in his address last night the President took a shot at the Keystone XL
pipeline, it`s a joke.


OBAMA: 21st century businesses need 21st century infrastructure -- modern
ports, and stronger bridges, faster trains and the fastest internet.
Democrats and Republicans used to agree on this. So let`s set our sights
higher than a single oil pipeline. Let`s pass a bipartisan infrastructure
plan that could create more than thirty times as many jobs per year, and
make this country stronger for decades to come. Let`s do it.


SCHULTZ: Now what the President is saying there, show me some game. You
know, you have said no to every jobs bill that I wanted to put though,
that`s what the President said, you know, basically, you know, he`s been
obstructed more than any other president, record number of filibusters in
the Senate and we seem to lose focus of that. But the Republicans have
done nothing on jobs. So, the President is basically saying last night,
you know, show me some game, where`s your plan?

We need roads and bridges, not dangerous pipelines. And unfortunately,
some Senate Democrats are supporting the pipeline.


SEN. JOE MANCHIN, (D) WEST VIRGINIA: The bottom line is, we but about 7
million barrels of crude oil a day. We buy about 8,000 barrels from
Venezuela which is exactly they tell me, a heavy crude such as the Keystone
or the Canadian oil. We buy 1.3 million from Saudi Arabia, we buy from
Russia and this makes common sense to me and West Virginians. I`d rather
buy from our friends who won`t hold us hostage and use the revenue that we
pay them against us.

It will be built sooner or later, I know that.


SCHULTZ: Well, I`m not so sure about that Senator. Bottom line here is,
is that there is no guarantee that that oil is going to be higher quality
than what`s coming in from Venezuela or anywhere else around the world. In
fact it is the dirtiest oil in the world.

Now, Manchin supports an amendment to keep the oil here in America, but
wait a minute on Tuesday Republicans killed the amendment in a 57 to 42
vote. As it stands, all Keystone oil will be exported, there`s no
guarantee it`s going to affect you and to pump here in America -- we are
going to be taking all the risk and we`re not going to get any reward.

And Manchin said he`s concerned about the environmental impact but overall,
pipelines work fine?


MANCHIN: I also see that when you have a pipeline such as in Antarctica up
in Alaska, they`ve been able to do that and have a tremendous safety record
there. So, we have to be vigilant about these things, we truly do. And I
understand that but, you know, we have hundreds of thousands of miles of
pipeline throughout America now. I mean we have it going everywhere.
We`re buying 2.5 million barrels a day from Canada already.

It`s not something new, it`s not something that`s never been done.


SCHULTZ: But Senator those pipelines you`re talking about don`t go over
the aquifer and its irreversible damage if there`s a problem. And with all
due respect Senator Manchin, the "we already have pipelines" argument is
really pretty bogus. No matter how you cut it, oil pipelines are risky
just like cars crash, planes crash, trains have derailments -- pipelines
leak. It`s a dangerous game, case and point. Let`s check out Yellowstone
River in Montana that`s unfolding right now.

On Saturday, 40,000 gallons of oil leaked into the Yellowstone River from a
12-inch steel pipe. Now, do you know how big this Keystone pipe is going
to be? About four times that size. The spill happened near Glendive,
Montana. The pipeline was operated by the Bridger Pipeline company.

Oil was reported 60 miles down the stream from the lake site -- from the
leak site should I say, near Buford, North Dakota. Now health officials
are warning people -- warning people, hey folks, don`t use your tap water
in Glendive and the surrounding towns. Traces of benzine from the spill
we`re discovered in a water treatment plant. It warms your heart doesn`t
it? Pipelines are great.

Accidents can happen everywhere so why would you want to put the risk over
the aquifer? Montana Governor Steve Bullock visited the spill site on
Monday. The Governor declared a state of emergency for Dawson and Richland
Counties. Don`t drink the water. State officials said that they we`re
bringing in truckloads of drinking water for these towns.

On Tuesday, spokesman from the Bridger Pipeline company had this to day.


that we`ve caused and for the inconvenience that we`ve caused from this
incident and that we are committed to do everything possible to minimize
the environmental impact and clean this up as quickly as we can.


SCHULTZ: Don`t we think that the Yellowstone River and that mishap is just
the latest reminder of how serious pipelines are? The President is correct
on this. Now I`m going to be Nebraska on Saturday and I`m going to bring
another twist to this story, it`s property rights and immanent domain.

I thought the Republicans we`re really concern about life, liberty and the
pursuit of justice and ownership? The ownership society, remember that?
That`s what`s Bush used to talk about. Property rights, I own that
property, you`re not putting that pipeline on my land. Well they have
filed lawsuit, a 100 landowners in Nebraska, I`ll bring you the story next

This could go on for another two or three years. So this is just a bunch
of jockeying going on by these senators who are misinformed on Keystone.
It`s not a jobs bill, it`s bad for the environment and the oil is not going
to be affecting you at the gas pump. But that`s not what I hear in
Washington, I hear it from a few people but it`s like they hear something
and they decide to go with it without knowing the facts.

The Yellowstone River saw another major pipeline spill, in 2011 63 gallons
of oil spilled near Billings, Montana. I could go right on through the
list, there`s been major ruptures in California, Arkansas, Louisiana,
Michigan, in North Dakota. The EPA reported between 2012 and 2013 roughly
300 pipeline spills went unreported in North Dakota alone.

American need to keep this in mind -- Keystone, the President is right to
veto this. And even if he does veto it, and they come back into a veto
override, it`s still not going to get built, it`s not a bargaining chip
because they can`t build it because of the legalities with the landowners
in Nebraska.

Let`s go to the President in Boise, Idaho.

OBAMA: You know, we -- I mean, we have an entire industry that`s designed
to sort this out. Our media is all segmented now so that instead of just
watching there are three stations, we got 600. And, you know, everything
is market segmented and you got the conservative station and the liberal
stations. So, everybody is only listening to what they already with.

And then you got political gerrymandering that sorts things out so that
every district is either one thing or the other. And so, there are a lot
of institutional forces that make it seem like we have nothing in common.

One of the great things about being President is you travel all across the
country and I`ve seen too much of the good and generous and big-hearted
optimism of people young and old -- folks like Bella. I`ve seen how deep
down there`s just a core of decency and desire to make progress together
among the American people. That`s what I believe.

So, I`ve got two years left and I am not going to stop trying make --
trying to make our politics work better. That`s what you deserve. That`s
how we move the country forward.

And, Idaho, we`ve got big things to do together. I maybe in the fourth
quarter of my presidency, but here, at the home of the team with the most
famous "Statue of Liberty" play in history -- I don`t need to remind you
that big things happen late in the fourth quarter.
So here`s where we`re starting in 2015. Our economy is growing. Our
businesses are creating jobs at the fastest pace since 1999. Our deficits
have been cut by two-thirds. Our energy production is booming. Our troops
are coming home. We have risen from recession better positioned, freer to
write our own future than any other country on Earth.
But as I said last night, now we`ve got to choose what future we want. Are
we going to accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well?
OBAMA: Or can we commit ourselves to an economy that generates rising
incomes and opportunities for everybody who`s willing to try hard?
For six years, we`ve been working to rebuild our economy on a new
foundation. And what I want people to know is, thanks to your hard work
and your resilience, America is coming back. And you`ll recall, when we
were in the midst of the recession, right after I came into office, there
was some arguments about the steps we were taking. There were questions
about whether we were doing the right thing. But we believed we could
reverse the tide of outsourcing, and draw new jobs back to America. And
over the past five years, our businesses have created more than 11 million
new jobs.
We believed that with smart energy policies, we could reduce our dependence
on foreign oil and protect our planet. Today, America is number one in oil
production and gas production and wind production. And every three weeks,
we bring online as much solar power as we did in all of 2008.
And meanwhile, thanks to lower gas prices and higher fuel standards, the
average family this year should save about $750 bucks at the pump.
We believed we could do better when it came to educating our kids for a
competitive world. And today, our younger students have earned the highest
math and reading scores on record. Our high school graduation rate has hit
an all-time high. More young people like folks right here at Boise State
are finishing college than ever before.
We figured sensible regulations could encourage fair competition and shield
families from ruin, and prevent the kind of crises that we saw in 2007,
2008. And today, we have new tools to stop taxpayer-funded bailouts. And
in the past year alone, about 10 million uninsured Americans finally gained
the security of health coverage, including right here in Idaho.
Now, sometimes, you know, you`d think folks have short memories, because at
every step of the way, we were told that these goals were too misguided, or
they were too ambitious, or they`d crush jobs, or they`d explode deficits,
or they`d destroy the economy. You remember those, right? Every step we
took, this is going to be terrible. And instead, we`ve seen the fastest
economic growth in over a decade. And we`ve seen the deficits, as I said,
go down by two-thirds. And people`s 401(k)s are stronger now because the
stock market has doubled. And health care inflation is at the lowest rate
in 50 years. Lowest rate in 50 years.
Here in Boise, your unemployment rate has fallen below 4 percent -- and
that`s almost two-thirds from its peak five years ago.
So, the verdict is clear. The ruling on the field stands. Middle-class
economics works. Expanding opportunity works. These policies will keep on
working, as long as politics in Washington doesn`t get in the way of our
progress. You know, we can`t suddenly put the security of families back at
risk by taking away their health insurance. We can`t risk another meltdown
on Wall Street by unraveling the new rules on Wall Street. I`m going to
stand between working families and any attempt to roll back that progress.
Because today, thanks to a growing economy, the recovery is touching more
and more lives. Wages are finally starting to go up. More small business
owners plan to raise their employees` pay than at any time since 2007. So
we need to keep on going. Let`s do more to restore the link between hard
work and opportunity for every single American. That`s our job. That`s
our job. Let`s make sure all our people have the tools and the support
that they need to go as far as their dreams and their effort will take
That`s what middle-class economics is -- the idea that this country does
best when everybody gets a fair shot, and everybody is doing their fair
share, and everybody is playing by the same set of rules. We don`t want to
just make sure that everybody shares in America`s success -- we actually
think that everybody can contribute to America`s success. And when
everybody is participating and given a shot, there`s nothing we cannot do.
So here`s what middle-class economics requires in this new economy. Number
one, it means helping working families feel more secure in a constantly
changing economy. It means helping folks afford child care, and college,
and paid leave at work, and health care, and retirement. And I`m sending
Congress a plan that`s going to help families with all of these issues.
SCHULTZ: President Obama taking his State of the Union team and his plan
for the next two years on the road, he`s in Boise, Idaho speaking to the
crowd there.

Let`s bring in Senator Ed Markey of Massachusetts and Congressman Jim
McDermott of Washington. Just as a footnote here, both of these gentlemen
are fans of the teams that happen to be going to the Super Bowl. So I`ll
start with the rolling on the field stands. That should be good audio to
you guys. Congratulations.

Excuse me, I`m (inaudible) there but anyway, gentlemen, Congressman --
Senator Markey let`s start with you tonight. There is no doubt that
there`s a lot of misinformation about Keystone. You introduced an
amendment to keep Keystone oil in America, what happened?

SEN. ED MARKEY. (D) MASSACHUSETTS: Well, the Republican decided that they
we`re going to table it which means that we were not going to have a vote
on the actual substance of the bill. And then they successfully took it to
a way as a subtenant issue that would be voted on. Although everyone of
the Republicans that voted to table were also voting to not put a
restriction on the exportation of this oil. So the Canadian`s plan on
taking the dirtiest oil in the world, constructing a straw through the
United States of America down to the Gulf Coast and then putting it on
ships and sending it out of our country.

We import 5 million barrels of oil a day. How can we take oil that is
coming in to our country and just allow the Canadians to send it out while
we`re taking all of the environmental risks?

The United States will have a pipeline that could break, the greenhouse
gasses that are going to go up are going to dangerously warm the planet and
we do it while we`re exporting young men and women in uniform over to the
Middle East to provide the protection for the Saudi Arabians and for all of
those countries to be sending their oil to the United States.

So, it`s about time that we just said we`re not going to export American
oil. We`re going to keep it here as long as we continue to import oil from

SCHULTZ: Senator I want to ask you, is the oil that is coming in from
Venezuela cleaner than the oil that would be coming out of the tar sands,
because the case that Senator Manchin is making is, hey we`re already
bringing in dirty oil.

MARKEY: Look Ed, the argument is why are we bringing in any Venezuelan
oil? Why are bringing in Nigerian oil, Kuwaiti oil, Saudi Arabian oil?
We`re bringing in Russian oil right now. We`re bringing in Iraqi oil right

We should not be bringing the oil in here. If the Canadian`s advertise on
every network that this all about not American energy independence, the
message they`re sending to American voters is, this is about keeping oil
here in United States.


MARKEY: And so, to the extent to which that`s a violation of an unfair and
deceptive marketing practice, they have been successful but the American
people have to know that our greatest vulnerability, what makes us weak,
what is our Achilles heel? It is the continued importation of 5 million
barrels of oil today. And if we`re going to run the risk of having this
tremendous danger to the planet, the least the American people should get
is to have the oil, he had to keep price -- the oil here -- keeping prices
low for (inaudible) prices low for diesel fuel and that oil unfortunately
is going to be exported.

So there`s nothing in it for the United States except 35 permanent jobs
that will be there for us and all of the rest of the benefits go to the
Canadians without risk to the dangerously warming planet that we live on.

SCHULTZ: And finally Senator Markey, what did you think of Joni Ernst on
what she was saying about Keystone if you caught that?

MARKEY: I didn`t follow it in the detail that perhaps I could have but
just assuming that it`s all part boilerplate without in anyway...

SCHULTZ: Well, she`s calling it a jobs bill. She called it the Keystone
Jobs Bill.

MARKEY: Well, you know what? It`s really the Keystone Exports Bill. It`s
taking the oil and sending out to the United States, and after they have
constructed the pipeline there`s only 35 permanent jobs left. Meanwhile
all of the lower price oil that could have benefited American drivers,
American manufacturers by pressing to keep the price of oil low would have
gone out of the United States of America. That is not a job creation.
That is a job destruction strategy...


MARKEY: ... for the United States of America.

SCHULTZ: Senator Markey, good to have with you us. Let`s turn in now...

MARKEY: Thank you.

SCHULTZ: ... to Congressman Jim McDermott of Washington.

Congressman, we see pipelines that leak and this one that`s unfolded in the
Yellowstone. You would think that people in Congress would pay a little
bit more attention about what`s going on here.

The danger here is that this pipeline would be over the aquifer. How do
the Republicans just ignore that?

REP. JIM MCDERMOTT, (D) WASHINGTON: I don`t know how they do that Ed, they
really have to bury their head in the sand so to speak. We had a pipeline
rapture in the state of Washington that filled a river and caught on fire
and burned two kids to death, they were fishing by the side of the river.

This happens all the time and this is flowing over the aquifer which
produces the water that makes Nebraska to what it is. The corn hackers,
huskers state and soybeans and cattle all need that water clean. If this
ruptures into that -- right into that aquifer they lose their source of
clean water and the economy of Nebraska is re-ruptured and destroyed

Once it`s down in the Earth and in the aquifer they won`t be able to get it
out, there`ll be now way to mop it up or go down and clean it up. So
that`s why it is such a dangerous place to put a pipeline right through
your water supply. It makes no sense. These guys are not making any

SCHULTZ: The latest action that`s been taken by a 100 landowners in
Nebraska, filling a lawsuit on property rights and imminent domain. This
really has the teeth to stop this project cold doesn`t it? I mean it`s
going to -- it could end up going through a three-step legal process, the
regulatory, the judicial and the appellate. I mean this could string out
for possibly three years and -- what do you think about that?

MCDERMOTT: Well, I believe that it`s going to be longer than three years
Ed. You`ve got a 100 farmers or most of them are farmers that -- who are
worried about the source of water for their agriculture because they`re
looking at this and saying, they get it -- they pass it through here, they
buy -- they forced their way through my land and then if they destroy it
who pays the bill? Nobody.

So, they are going to have a real fight. You`ll see -- this could go all
the way to the Supreme Court...


MCDERMOTT: ... because you`re going to have a fight all the way up about
the right of imminent domain and can you take it when there are other
values in the society that are bigger than making money for oil companies.
And that`s -- only thing the pipeline has on their side is we`re going to
make money for oil companies but there are something bigger in this society
than values for oil companies.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, your reaction to Hillary Clinton in a stop in
Winnipeg, Manitoba today, she said no comment on Keystone. Now, if that
doesn`t underscore what a hot potato this is going to be for 2016, I don`t
know what does. What`s your reaction?

MCDERMOTT: Well, it would be -- my reaction as well that she should have
said at least -- I wish she had said, I think we ought to let the judicial
process go through because that in the end is going to kill it.

I don`t think this is going to be any good. You look at the price of
gasoline falling in this country by a dollar or dollar and a half. This is
not going to be economically viable. You already got people talking about
banks failing because they`ve been selling oil bonds all over the place.
You got a whole lot of economic reasons why this isn`t going to go and I
think we ought to let the judicial process go and we`ll fight it out in the
courts and unfortunately we`re -- it`s going to take a lot of money and a
lot of time but ultimately the Nebraskan oil -- or water will be saved.

SCHULTZ: Yeah. Congressman, great to have you on and I separated you and
Ed Markey because I didn`t want to see you guys get into it over the Super
Bowl so early. We`ll hold that out for next week, OK?

MCDERMOTT: OK, well -- the President looked like toward Russell Wilson
when he gave that speech last night. He has his game face on...

SCHULTZ: There`s no doubt.

MCDERMOTT: I mean the Republicans are in for a big fight.

SCHULTZ: There`s no doubt, Congressman Jim McDermott of Washington, good
to have you with us tonight sir. Thank you.


SCHULTZ: Coming up, the trade deal not everybody wants. What we don`t
know could really hurt American workers.

Keep it right here. We`ll be right back.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Thanks for watching tonight. I
appreciate all the questions tonight in our Ask Ed Live segment. Our first
question comes from Mike.

He wants to know, "How can Joni Ernst call Obamacare a failure while
keeping a straight face?"

Well, I would call that talent. She`s pretty good at doing that. Some
people might call it lying -- I would probably call it talent. For people
to say something that`s simply isn`t true and keep a straight face, yeah.

Our next question is from Steve. "Why didn`t President Obama mentioned the
postal service during his State of the Union address?

You know, it`s a great question because the President said higher of vet
(ph) and when he said that I twitted out, "Amen, don`t kill the postal
service" because the postal service, looking at cuts right now is the
number one employer of veterans in this country.

I was disappointed the President didn`t mention the postal service and in
fact this White House is not paying much attention at all to what`s going
on. The destruction of that postal service in this country is absolutely
wrong. And it`s a bad direction to go and it`s going to hurt small
business if it keeps going the way it`s gone.

Stick around, Rapid Response Panel is next.

market wrap.

Another volatile day for stocks. The Dow ends up 39 points after falling
119 and rising 84. The S&P adds 9 points. The NASDAQ climbs by 12.

Housing starts grows more than expected last month. Groundbreaking rose to
the highest level in more than six years. And eBay shares are higher after
hours. The company posted earnings that beat estimates by a penny.
Revenue was (inaudible), the online auction site also stating, it will cut
about 2,400 jobs in this quarter.

That`s it from CNBC, first in business world wide.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Now, we all want the same thing.
We want a good economy. We want jobs but there are philosophical
differences and then there are some absolutes.

Now the President has bought in to the TTP and he wants fast track which
means that it would be fast tracked and not everybody in Congress would get
a chance to read it. It would just be a stamp of approval, up or down
vote, bingo we got a new trade agreement. I don`t like it at all.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership will destroy the American middle-class,
bottom line. Now, the agreement opens channels to trade with the Pacific
Rim at the expense of American workers.

Now, negotiations for the TTP have been wrapped in secrecy, a lot of
lawmakers don`t know anything about this and I don`t want to embarrass them
but I did have two lawmakers ask me last night, what`s the big deal about
the TTP? And I thought to myself, really?

Last night, even as the President, I think he was out of the loop on this.


OBAMA: Today, our business export more than ever and exporters tend to pay
their workers higher wages. But as we speak, China wants to write the
rules for the world`s fastest-growing region. That would put our workers
and our businesses at a disadvantage. Why would we let that happen? We
should write those rules. We should level the playing field. That`s why
I`m asking both parties to give me trade promotion authority to protect
American workers with strong new trade deals from Asia to Europe that
aren`t just free, but also fair. That`s the right thing to do.


SCHULTZ: The President is ready to bypass Democrats and labor unions to
push the deal forward. He gained some strange allies along the way.


REP. PAUL RYAN, (R) WISCONSIN: I agree with every word he said in the
speech with respect to trade in Asia and getting in there and helping write
the rules instead of China writing the rules. The Presidents is in the
middle of negotiating a trade agreement with Asian nations, representing 40
percent of global GDP.

This means more jobs for America. This means more exports for us. This is
something we had to get on top of, and I agree with him on that.


SCHULTZ: Bullet point, bullet point, bullet point. Paul Ryan believes the
country is divided into takers and makers.

He`s on the side of big business and President Obama wants to lead on
inequality, NAFTA on steroids in the worst way to start. When was the last
time and there -- a lot people are enamored by this? When was the last
time the chairman of the Ways and Means Committee, a Republican, Paul Ryan
agree with President Obama on anything?

Joining me tonight on a Rapid Response Panel, Congressman Mark Pocan of
Wisconsin and also Larry Cohen President of the Communication Workers of

Mr. Cohen you first. The President is pitching higher wages and to level
the playing field, what`s wrong with that?

LARRY COHEN, PRESIDENT, CWA: The biggest factor in explaining stagnant
wages, no wage increases since in the last 30 years are the trade deals
we`ve made. It`s not just the jobs that leave the country it`s the
pressure on those who continue to work in what`s called tradable sectors.

And, we can rah-rah about the competitiveness of American workers. But in
Vietnam, the leading country in TPP, the average wage is $0.75 an hour.
I`m here in Detroit, how do auto parts workers in Detroit compete with

SCHULTZ: They don`t. And the thing that`s amazing about this is that
there`s a totally different view on this. And I`ve found out last night,
in the last 24 hours in Washington there`s a lot of folks that aren`t
paying attention to this. Congressman, do you see that as well?

REP. MARK POCAN, (D) WISCONSIN: Well, you know, Ed, we`re not involved
with a drifting, right? 600 people, a lot of corporate CEOs are involved
with the drafting. And members of the Congress and the public are
completely out of the loop on this.

So, we keep being told that it`s going to be good. Well, you know,
generally if something is that good, you put it on the table, you brag
about it. But when you keep it hidden, you know, commonsense tells you
there`s something wrong with that.

And if this is anything like NAFTA which I think it`s going to be, we know
what that means, job loss and wage is going down and that`s not good for

SCHULTZ: Well, you`re from Wisconsin. How come Paul Ryan sees it
differently from you? I mean, you represent the same workers.

POCAN: If the spokesperson for austerity in this country is for this that
alone should tell you this is a bad idea.

But I can tell you, you know, I`ve been, you know, dealing with the small
business owner, I`ve been for the last 27 years. And I`ve watched the jobs
leave the country because of these bad trade deals. And we are promised so
many jobs with the Korean trade deal instead we lost an equal amount that
they have promised us.

And the language so far from everything I can tell and every conversation
I`ve had to the U.S. Trade rep is not going to be much better than what
we`ve had with NAFTA. And everyone agrees I think in retrospective that
was bad for American workers. So...


POCAN: Paul Ryan is just wrong in this. And unfortunately, I disagree the
President is wrong in this.

SCHULTZ: The President acknowledged NAFTA was a disaster. Here it is.


OBAMA: I`m the first one to admit the past trade deals haven`t always
lived up to the hype, and that`s why we`ve gone after countries that break
the rules at our expense.


SCHULTZ: So Mr. Cohen, why is this deal any better than NAFTA or any
worse? So why does the President believe that this deal will be any

COHEN: Some of the words in that deal that we`ve seen are actually better.
The problem is the enforcement is the same. So having better words that
you have to enforce government to government, that would be through the
environmental regulations, the labor regulations, the consumer regulations
versus the multinational corporation that just like in NAFTA gets the sue
in secret courts.

For billions of dollars, there`s 500 of those lawsuits now from the past
trade deals. So yeah, the words are a little better. The enforcement is
exactly the same and it means that we would wait years and years on any of
our complaints compared to what multinational corporations would have for

SCHULTZ: Were you taken Mr. Cohen by the aggressiveness of the President
wanting this deal? I mean, last night was the most aggressive he`s been
publicly on TPP and fast track which of course would keep it away from the
Congress, just an up or down vote, no detail given. What about --no
debate, what about that?

COHEN: I think it`s all bad. I mean, I think the aggressiveness comes
from the fact that Paul Ryan aggress with him. We`re going to end up with
Boehner trade here.

Most of the rest of that speech we would applaud but it has no chance of
any action just like the agenda from 2009. This has a good chance of
action. And so what he said on these, matters to working Americans.

Unfortunately, the good news on community colleges, they won`t bring any of
that forward. This day will bring forward. They`re excited about it. The
Chamber of Commerce is excited about it. We think it`s all wrong.

SCHULTZ: Congressman, do you think the President just wants to make a deal
so bad with Congress that he`s just willing to do this?

You know, how can you admit NAFTA is bad and yet TPP is the right way to

POCAN: You know, I think he truly wants to get a foothold into the Asian
market and I understand that. But if you take NAFTA or anything even, you
know, close to NAFTA, as the trade rules it`s going to export U.S. jobs,
it`s going to depress wages.

And if you acknowledge that NAFTA was a problem as the President did, they
have to show us something serious that makes this different than NAFTA.
And again, everything I`ve seen, this is just the same. It`s NAFTA on
Steroids and -- there is a disconnect with what President`s message was.

SCHULTZ: Congressman Mark Pocan and Larry Cohen, President of the CWA.
Gentlemen great to have you with us.

Coming, we have new details on the DeflateGate. Keep it here.


SCHULTZ: Welcome back to the Ed Show. Tonight, in the two-minute drill,
it`s about a picture, toothless Tiger.

The question is, is the PGA starting to look like the NHL?

Tiger Woods caused quite a stir when he showed up in Italy on Monday.
Woods made a surprise trip to Cortina to watch his girlfriend Lindsey Vonn
make history with her records 63rd World Cup title.

Photos of Tiger`s missing tooth -- wow that made headlines big time. Look
at that.

Woods` agent says his tooth was knocked out at the World Cup awards podium
when someone with a shoulder-mounted camera surged towards the stage and
hit Tiger in the mouth.

Makes a pretty story but some folks are now saying that`s not how it is.
The race secretary-general for Monday`s event told the associated press, "I
was among those who escorted him from the tent to the snowmobile and there
was no such incident."

Race organizers say that tooth tale was never reported to them. The race
secretary-general "USA Today" that Woods wasn`t even at the award ceremony.

There are no photos of the alleged incident or aftermath. So what`s the
truth about the tooth?

Lindsey Vonn is backing up her boyfriend. The ski champion took to
Facebook to celebrate her win and wrote this. "So happy that Tiger
surprised me by coming to my race in Italy yesterday. I feel terrible that
his tooth got knocked out though. When he was in the finish area a camera
man accidentally knocked it into him and took out his front tooth."

Now, finish line and awards area, two different areas. So there`s
conflicting stories here.

Tiger is expected to make his 2015 PGA tour debut next week in Phoenix with
or without the tooth? He`ll probably get it fixed.

Lots more coming up. Stay with us.


SCHULTZ: And finally tonight, new details are emerging in the so-called

According to ESPN, the NFL says 11 of 12 game balls used by the New England
Patriots in Sunday`s AFC title game were inflated below the NFL`s

Patriots coach Bill Belichick said he first learned about the allegation
the morning after the game and said that he will cooperate fully with the
National Football League.

So, what does this mean? The league requires that so much air has to be in
the ball.

And being an quarterback, let me tell you, quarterbacks have their own
idiosyncrasies about throwing the football.

I used to hate having a brand new football. Right out of the box, normally
it`s just overinflated. And it`s just has this feeling about it, you want
to break the ball in a little bit, OK?

And deflated football of course feels a little bit different. And the
allegation here is, is that when it`s wet weather or cold or out it`s
better to deflate the ball a little bit because throwing the football is
all about fingertip control.

So, it`s really easy to deflate a football. And I`m not saying that they
did this. But the NFL did say that 11 of the 12 balls were below their
standards which is rather unusual. Maybe one or two balls nothing (ph) but
11 of them?

Imagine a ball boy on the side line. He might (inaudible) likes it like

That would be good.

Did I do this in college? Yeah, I did. I used to throw a Spalding J5V and
that`s the only football that I would ever throw. It fit my hand.

Every quarterback`s grip is different. Nobody grips the balls exactly the
same way. And it`s not about the grip on the ball, it`s how you -- have
fingertip control.

The last finger to touch the football is your index finger. And the two
most important fingers are the index finger and your small pinky finger.
And you have to release the ball with the exact same amount of pressure on
the ball with those two fingers to get a perfect spiral.

If the ball is wobbling this end, well you get too much pressure on your
index finger. If it`s wobbling a lot on this end, you got too much
pressure on your pinky. So when you see you got through a perfect spiral
you can say, wow, he`s got perfect fingertip control.

A deflated ball -- and this could be debated a lot of quarterbacks -- a
deflated ball can work to your advantage or disadvantage. Some guys like
it that way, some guys don`t.

For instance, I never throw the football with the J5V on this side. I
always like to through the ball with my hand over the Spalding. In fact,
when I used to break the huddle, I`d see Spalding and I said tell the
center, turn the ball around, turn the ball around.

And so, idiosyncrasies. Every quarterback has them when it comes in
throwing the football. But what`s going on here?

Terence Moore, National Sports Columnist joins me tonight.

Terence, good to have you with us. You know, this isn`t the first time
Belichick has been accused of little hunky punky. In fact in 2007, he was
fine $500,000 for having an assistance spy on the New York Jets defensive

What do you make of these deflated footballs? What`s happening here?

TERENCE MOORE, NATIONAL SPORTS COLUMNIST: Well, first of all, I`m going to
tell you what should happen and then I`ll tell you what is going to happen.

What should happen is Bill Belichick should be suspended for the Super
Bowl. And the reason I say that is because Roger Goodell, the commissioner
has said forever, protect the shield. This makes him a body (ph) three-
time loser when it comes to cheating.

And Ed, you probably already know this but Don Shula who never says
anything bit about anybody, Don Shula, Hall of Fame coach and just as nice
as can be, he is now calling Bill Belichick, Bill "Belicheat", OK? Bill
"Belicheat" I should say.

Now, the reason that this is not going to do anything, worth mentioning as
far from the NFL standpoint is Robert Kraft is one of the biggest
supporters for Roger Goodell.

Who is Robert Kraft? He is the owner of the New England Patriots. Nothing
worth mentioning is going to happen here. He`s going to skate (ph) again.

SCHULTZ: Well, how would the quarterback not know that the ball was
deflated? You can feel it in your fingertips. And when it`s wet out and
when it`s cold out, it gives you arguably a little bit more control on the

You know, back when I play -- and you can use Stickum and I used to love
that stuff. I mean, I just felt better with it.

So, what`s the NFL going to do here? What are their options? Take a few
draft picks away from them? But they`re not going to let it mess with the
Super Bowl, are they?

MOORE: Well, here is the problem I`ve got. Back in 2007, you mentioned
Spygate, that`s when Roger Goodell made his first big decision and he blew
it because back then was Spygate, which is worst than this. That`s when
they were spying on different teams using video equipment.

During that time, he admits -- the fine, they also took away a draft pick.
So because of that, it basically made Bill Belichick, a guy who was out of
control, that he can do whatever he wanted to do.

And remember also back during that time, it was also discovered, he was
also spying on other teams.


MOORE: So this guy is just, you know, he keeps being allowed to do what he
wants to do just because -- again, playing for the New England Patriots.

SCHULTZ: All right. Well, we`re letting the air out of the Ed Show
tonight. That`s all we`ve got time for.

Terence Moore, good to have you with us tonight.

That`s the Ed Show. I`m Ed Schultz.

"PoliticsNation" with Reverend Al Sharpton starts right now.

Good evening Rev.


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